New York

[jp the roadgeek]

My I-787 list (2A would come before 2B SB)

Exit 1A: US 9W Southern Blvd (NB); Albany (SB)
Exit 1B: Vine St/Port of Albany (NB); I-87 (NYT) TO I-90 NYC/Buffalo
Exit 1C (SB ONLY): NY 32 S Pearl St
Exit 2A: US 9 SOUTH/US 20 East Rensselaer//Empire Plaza
Exit 2B: US 9 NORTH/US 20 WEST Clinton Ave/Broadway (NB); US 20 WEST Madison Ave/POA (SB)
Exit 2C (SB ONLY): US 9 NORTH Clinton Ave
Exit 2D (SB ONLY): Colonie St/Columbia St
Exit 3:  I-90 Boston/Buffalo
Exit 4: NY 32 Menands
Exit 6A: NY 378 EAST South Troy (NB); Troy (SB)
Exit 6B: NY 378 WEST Watervliet (NB); Loudonville/Menands (SB)
Exit 8: TO NY 2 Watervliet/Green Island
Exit 9A: NY 7 EAST Troy/Bennington
Exit 9B: NY 7 WEST TO I-87 (Northway) Schenectady/Saratoga Springs

My I-590 would go 1, 3, 4, 5A, 5B, 6, 7, 8, 9A, 9B, 9C NB; and 9, 7, 6, 5B, 5A, 3C, 3B, 3A, 1C, and 1 B-A SB, with 1B for 390 North and 1A for 390 South.

[vdeane]

NY uses the "round down" method recommended in the MUTCD.  Historically we didn't generally number termini, but that may be changing, because I-781 and I-99 do (I avoided it in the interest of sanity, and because I personally prefer unnumbered termini).  NY 31 crosses under I-590 between miles 2.9 and 3 (the 3 mile marker is just north of the bridge), so I figured it was close enough to avoid alphabet soup.

If I had to do I-590/NY 590:
1 (no change)
2 (NB)/2A-B (SB) (no change)
3 (NB) (no change)
4 (SB) (no change)
5->5A
6->5B
7->6
8->7
9 (NB)->8
10A/B (NB)->9A/B
11->9C

[astralentity]

I'm waiting for the bellyaching to start when you have exit 178 for Ballston Spa, 186 for Saratoga Springs, 202 for Glens Falls, 100 for Kingston, 310 for Plattsburgh, 357 for East Greenbush....

It'll be a fun show to watch.

[crispy93]

For those curious, the I-84 renumbering has made it west to East Fishkill at the Taconic. 16 N-S is now 52 A-B.

[astralentity]

Any ideas when I-86 will finally be signed between the state line in Waverly to the Tioga/Broome line?  Also, I think it's time to take down the "TO" banners for I-86 around Vestal.

[vdeane]

Possibly with the completion of the work in Binghamton if there are plans for it.  I think there might be some minor work in Vestal needed, however.

[astralentity]

Possibly with the completion of the work in Birmingham if there are plans for it.  I think there might be some minor work in Vestal needed, however.

Saw the huge trench by Nichols yesterday.  I also see some of the new ramps are now surfaced at the interchange between I-81 and I-86.

[hotdogPi]

Possibly with the completion of the work in Birmingham if there are plans for it.  I think there might be some minor work in Vestal needed, however.

Can I see this official plan of I-81 taking over I-59?

[The Ghostbuster]

vdeane meant Binghamton. Honestly, extending Interstate 81 down Interstate 59 would be an intriguing Fictional Highways thread.

[vdeane]

I swear Chrome's spell check is getting worse every year.  Or maybe it's just Windows.  Or incognito.  It recognized "Binghamton" on my desktop at home at least, but doesn't elsewhere.

[astralentity]

The font looks really wrong on the NY I-99 signs.

[mrsman]

vdeane meant Binghamton. Honestly, extending Interstate 81 down Interstate 59 would be an intriguing Fictional Highways thread.

IMHO, it's something that should happen.  Practically a straight line diagonal from Canada to the Gulf.  And no new construction needed, just signage.   

[steviep24]

Found this in downtown Rochester.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1527095,-77.6061667,3a,15y,267.29h,86.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQKoTE2a11mD4vawabZc_4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

The shield for I 490 is painted on the pavement. I wonder how long that will last.

[roadman]

Found this in downtown Rochester.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1527095,-77.6061667,3a,15y,267.29h,86.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQKoTE2a11mD4vawabZc_4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

The shield for I 490 is painted on the pavement. I wonder how long that will last.

Looks to me to be a preformed thermoplastic shield.  Based on the installations I've seen in Massachusetts and other states, they tend to be fairly durable.

[The Ghostbuster]

I'm looking forward to the Hutchinson River Parkway (and hopefully, many other New York roads) having its exit numbers converted from sequential-to-milepost in 2020. Please post to this thread when the conversion occurs, and if any other New York roads also receive such a conversion.

[kalvado]

Found this in downtown Rochester.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1527095,-77.6061667,3a,15y,267.29h,86.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQKoTE2a11mD4vawabZc_4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

The shield for I 490 is painted on the pavement. I wonder how long that will last.

Looks to me to be a preformed thermoplastic shield.  Based on the installations I've seen in Massachusetts and other states, they tend to be fairly durable.

Whatever it worth:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6997624,-73.8442652,3a,75y,5.56h,86.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sP49axWy59-tPqBgnQElc7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

[crispy93]

I'm looking forward to the Hutchinson River Parkway (and hopefully, many other New York roads) having its exit numbers converted from sequential-to-milepost in 2020. Please post to this thread when the conversion occurs, and if any other New York roads also receive such a conversion.

I've been curious about that as well. I saw that article from about a year ago mentioning the HRP conversion once I-84 is done. The HRP needs new signs generally speaking, they're in bad shape in Westchester. It'll be interesting to see since roads in NYC don't have mile markers (but do have NYSDOT reference markers). Personally, I've been interested in seeing them do the Palisades Parkway; another interesting case since the mile markers don't reset at the NY/NJ line.

[jp the roadgeek]

Post 4098 on page 164 has my exit list for the HRP mileage based conversion. The NYC exits are not exact, but I used GSV for the Westchester County mileposts.

As for the Palisades, here is what I have.  For the NY exits, the numbers in parentheses would represent the exit numbers and MP's resetting at the state line.

Exit 1A (SB ONLY): I-95/US 1/US 9 NORTH  GW Bridge/New York City
Exit 1B (SB ONLY): Hudson Terrace
Exit 1C (SB ONLY): US 9W TO I-95 SOUTH/I-80 WEST/ US 1  & 9 SOUTH/US 46 WEST/NJ 4 WEST Fletcher Ave/Fort Lee
Exit 2: CR 505 (Palisade Ave) Englewood/Englewood Cliffs
Exit 7: US 9W Alpine/Closter
Exit 9 (VIA U-TURN NB): US 9W (no controls)
Exit 10: US 9W (no controls)
Exit 13A (Exit 2A): NY 303 NORTH Orangeburg
Exit 13B (Exit 2B): NY 303 SOUTH Tappan
Exit 14A (Exit 3A) CR 20 (Orangeburg Rd) EAST Orangeburg
Exit 14B (Exit 3B): CR 20 (Orangeburg Rd) WEST Pearl River/Montvale
Exit 17 (Exit 6): CR 42 Town Line Rd/Nanuet
Exit 18A (Exit 7A): NY 59 EAST Nyack
Exit 18B (Exit 7B): NY 59 WEST Spring Valley
Exit 19A (Exit 8A): I-87 SOUTH/I-287 EAST (NY Thruway) White Plains (/New York City SB ONLY)
Exit 19B (Exit 8B): I-87 NORTH/I-287 WEST (NY Thruway) Albany
Exit 20 (Exit 9): North Middletown Rd New City/Nanuet
Exit 22 (Exit 11): CR 80 New Hempstead/New City
Exit 24 (Exit 13): NY 45 New Hempstead/Spring Valley
Exit 25 (Exit 14): US 202 (/CR 47 SB ONLY) Haverstraw/Suffern
Exit 27 (Exit 16): CR 98 Willow Grove Rd
Exit 28 (Exit 17): CR 106 Gate Hill Rd/Stony Point
Exit 30 (Exit 19): Lake Welch Parkway SOUTH Lake Welch/Sebago Beach
Exit 33 (Exit 23A): Anthony Wayne Recreation Area
Exit 34 (Exit 23B): US 6 WEST /Seven Lakes Dr WEST TO [Future I-86]/I-87 (NY Thruway) NY 17 Central Valley
Exit 35 (Exit 24): Seven Lakes Dr EAST Perkins Memorial Dr/Bear Mountain SP
END PARKWAY AT TRAFFIC CIRCLE WITH US 9W/US 202

[abqtraveler]

Any ideas when I-86 will finally be signed between the state line in Waverly to the Tioga/Broome line?  Also, I think it's time to take down the "TO" banners for I-86 around Vestal.

There have been I-86 signs posted along 17 from I-84 through Middletown for years now, but they are still covered up.  Any idea when they will be uncovered?

[webny99]

Not worth its own thread, so I'll post here: Friday afternoon was an absolute disaster for the entire road network on Rochester's east side, thanks to the closure of the NY 104 ramp between the Irondequoit and the Bay Bridge. A lot of people either didn't realize the Bay Bridge itself was open, or decided to backtrack using Empire or Browncroft, instead of the posted detour using 590 North. The ramp is going to remain closed for about a month, and there's already a dedicated Facebook group - you can tell we're not used to traffic! 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/07/15/bay-bridge-project-route-104-east-ramp-closure-facebook-group-webster-rochester-ny/1733330001/

[steviep24]

Not worth its own thread, so I'll post here: Friday afternoon was an absolute disaster for the entire road network on Rochester's east side, thanks to the closure of the NY 104 ramp between the Irondequoit and the Bay Bridge. A lot of people either didn't realize the Bay Bridge itself was open, or decided to backtrack using Empire or Browncroft, instead of the posted detour using 590 North. The ramp is going to remain closed for about a month, and there's already a dedicated Facebook group - you can tell we're not used to traffic! 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2019/07/15/bay-bridge-project-route-104-east-ramp-closure-facebook-group-webster-rochester-ny/1733330001/

I encountered that Friday afternoon and used Browncroft/Atlantic mainly because the on ramp to Empire was such a cluster.

[webny99]

I encountered that Friday afternoon and used Browncroft/Atlantic mainly because the on ramp to Empire was such a cluster.

Yesterday (Monday) was just as bad as Friday. I can only imagine the mid-week days will be worse.

I found out about the closure about a week or so in advance. I had a gut feeling that the impact on Browncroft and Blossom would be monstrous, but I never told anyone, because it seems so absolutely absurd that there would even be any impact. So now, everyone else is wondering what is the deal with all the traffic? I can explain the ramp closure, but making the connection between a closure on 104 and the traffic so much further south is a stretch, even for the most intuitive folks.

It is really a multi-dimensional problem with applications far beyond the area directly affected. I can only say I vastly, vastly, underestimated the volume of traffic crossing the Bay Bridge and heading south to their east side destination. Much of the traffic exiting at Empire is choosing not to head north; instead detouring via Empire or Atlantic, given that their destination may indeed be south of Empire!
Prior to this, I basically assumed that the Bay Bridge, regardless of your origin, was a viable route only for points north of NY 404. I now realize how many people, coming from 104, use it to head south to their Penfield or West Webster destination. With the closure, there is simply not enough capacity on the other routes across Irondequoit Creek to accommodate the additional traffic. Yet, as soon as people start taking the posted detour, 590 North instantly backs up. The single lane ramp to 104, clogged enough on a good day, simply can't handle all 32,000 vehicles headed for the Bay Bridge. So now you have people from 104 East and 590 North (the two peak directions in the afternoon), detouring onto Empire and Browncroft, and, once those back up, also Blossom. Intersections all over the east side that usually function well even at peak times start failing, with disastrous effects.

[steviep24]

I encountered that Friday afternoon and used Browncroft/Atlantic mainly because the on ramp to Empire was such a cluster.

Yesterday (Monday) was just as bad as Friday. I can only imagine the mid-week days will be worse.

I found out about the closure about a week or so in advance. I had a gut feeling that the impact on Browncroft and Blossom would be monstrous, but I never told anyone, because it seems so absolutely absurd that there would even be any impact. So now, everyone else is wondering what is the deal with all the traffic? I can explain the ramp closure, but making the connection between a closure on 104 and the traffic so much further south is a stretch, even for the most intuitive folks.

It is really a multi-dimensional problem with applications far beyond the area directly affected. I can only say I vastly, vastly, underestimated the volume of traffic crossing the Bay Bridge and heading south to their east side destination. Much of the traffic exiting at Empire is choosing not to head north; instead detouring via Empire or Atlantic, given that their destination may indeed be south of Empire!
Prior to this, I basically assumed that the Bay Bridge, regardless of your origin, was a viable route only for points north of NY 404. I now realize how many people, coming from 104, use it to head south to their Penfield or West Webster destination. With the closure, there is simply not enough capacity on the other routes across Irondequoit Creek to accommodate the additional traffic. Yet, as soon as people start taking the posted detour, 590 North instantly backs up. The single lane ramp to 104, clogged enough on a good day, simply can't handle all 32,000 vehicles headed for the Bay Bridge. So now you have people from 104 East and 590 North (the two peak directions in the afternoon), detouring onto Empire and Browncroft, and, once those back up, also Blossom. Intersections all over the east side that usually function well even at peak times start failing, with disastrous effects.

Irondequoit Bay Bridge carries around 67K vehicles per day according to wiki.

I do new home construction so my job requires me to drive all over the place. I often use 104 to access developments and new homes being built off of Five Mile Line, Shoecraft and Jackson Rd (and other North/South roads) in Webster and N. Penfield. This includes East/West roads such as State and Plank Rds. All this is south of NY 404. That's where much of the traffic using the Bay Bridge coming from points west is heading to in the afternoon. Browncroft/Atlantic serves these areas just as well.

EDIT TO ADD: The ramp from NY 590 to 104 east needs to be two lanes and has needed that for years.

Also, I expect already crowded NY 441 is being impacted by this as well with drivers using Five Mile Line Rd. and NY 250 to reach points north.

[vdeane]

EDIT TO ADD: The ramp from NY 590 to 104 east needs to be two lanes and has needed that for years.

The way it's striped suggests that it was at one time and was removed to eliminate a short merge lane on the left.

[webny99]

EDIT TO ADD: The ramp from NY 590 to 104 east needs to be two lanes and has needed that for years.

The way it's striped suggests that it was at one time and was removed to eliminate a short merge lane on the left.

Actually, it should be the right lane of the NY 104 ramp that ends, and 590 should contribute two through lanes. Not only would that match westbound, it would create one lane ending on each side, since it's a left lane that ends beyond Bay Rd.