New York

[SignBridge]

Yeah, that's just what we need. Another flatfooted attempt by politicians to show a neighborhood that they're doing something about a problem. Like this will make any difference at all.

[kalvado]

Yeah, that's just what we need. Another flatfooted attempt by politicians to show a neighborhood that they're doing something about a problem. Like this will make any difference at all.

Don't underestimate amount of abuse people are willing to take for the privilege of being called a "New Yorker"

[Rothman]

Yeah, that's just what we need. Another flatfooted attempt by politicians to show a neighborhood that they're doing something about a problem. Like this will make any difference at all.

Don't underestimate amount of abuse people are willing to take for the privilege of being called a "New Yorker"

Not many people in NYC would consider a speed limit reduction abuse...

[kalvado]

Yeah, that's just what we need. Another flatfooted attempt by politicians to show a neighborhood that they're doing something about a problem. Like this will make any difference at all.

Don't underestimate amount of abuse people are willing to take for the privilege of being called a "New Yorker"

Not many people in NYC would consider a speed limit reduction abuse...

I am not sure how to feel about overall trends in NYC.
On one hand, Manhattan is obviously running over capacity. Hence congestion pricing, limiting speeds, trouble dance with medallions, uber, Airbnb.
And although public transportation is better than anywhere else in US, my understanding is that it is not really an option for many people. Not that there is a lot of spare capacity in MTA as well.
Should I call that catch-22?
 
 

[bmitchelf]

Yeah, that's just what we need. Another flatfooted attempt by politicians to show a neighborhood that they're doing something about a problem. Like this will make any difference at all.

Don't underestimate amount of abuse people are willing to take for the privilege of being called a "New Yorker"

Not many people in NYC would consider a speed limit reduction abuse...

I am not sure how to feel about overall trends in NYC.
On one hand, Manhattan is obviously running over capacity. Hence congestion pricing, limiting speeds, trouble dance with medallions, uber, Airbnb.
And although public transportation is better than anywhere else in US, my understanding is that it is not really an option for many people. Not that there is a lot of spare capacity in MTA as well.
Should I call that catch-22?
 
 

If it was "not really an option for many people" then traffic would be at a standstill all day. There is definitely spare capacity post covid.

[webny99]

It's too bad I-87 doesn't have any CC sites between Glens Falls and Plattsburgh. Eclipse day saw 92k total near Saratoga and 82k near Glens Falls, but that six-lane section sees plenty of traffic already. The numbers north of Lake George relative to typical traffic were probably historic.

The Binghamton area also has a surprising lack of CC sites, particularly the I-81/86 overlap (seems important), and I-81 near the PA line (especially weird because almost all major routes to/from other states have a CC site, and many also have a WIM site). 

Admittedly, I'm a bit obsessed with getting my hands on more data, but I'm so disappointed about 81/86 that I'm even considering looking into camera footage instead. I just can't believe NYSDOT has not established a CC location anywhere on I-81 south of Whitney Point, so there's essentially no historical traffic count data for the Binghamton area.

On a more positive note though, it's great to see that NYSDOT has reactivated the CC site on I-490 just east of downtown Rochester.

[Rothman]

Psst.  That's because CCs are becoming obsolete with modern data collection methods...

[webny99]

Psst.  That's because CCs are becoming obsolete with modern data collection methods...

What modern data collection methods would replace CC's?

[Rothman]

Psst.  That's because CCs are becoming obsolete with modern data collection methods...

What modern data collection methods would replace CC's?

Simply extrapolating from camera counts.

[webny99]

Psst.  That's because CCs are becoming obsolete with modern data collection methods...

What modern data collection methods would replace CC's?

Simply extrapolating from camera counts.

Is there any publicly accessible source for camera data? The only one I can find online is an aggregator site that charges for camera footage.

[vdeane]

The materials from tonight's open house on I-787, including potential concepts, are online.

https://webapps.dot.ny.gov/reimagining-i-787

[TheDon102]

The materials from tonight's open house on I-787, including potential concepts, are online.

https://webapps.dot.ny.gov/reimagining-i-787

Yeah it seems like the state will be removing 787 south of I-90. What a shame.

[SectorZ]

If I-787 gets cut off from its parent, does it keep the number? Given an x90 isn't an option, maybe just make the whole thing NY 787 in that case.

[okc1]

If I-787 gets cut off from its parent, does it keep the number? Given an x90 isn't an option, maybe just make the whole thing NY 787 in that case.

It could stay. Lots of I-x278s, plus I-495, in NYC never connected to their parent. In Oklahoma, AASHTO just approved I-335 east of OKC, with no guarantee it will ever connect to I-35.

[kalvado]

The materials from tonight's open house on I-787, including potential concepts, are online.

https://webapps.dot.ny.gov/reimagining-i-787

Yeah it seems like the state will be removing 787 south of I-90. What a shame.

My impression is that they deliberately put a price tag on it to discourage anything from actually happening. alternatives are in a $3-7B range, while state has hard time with $2.4B Syracuse I-81 project and Thruway will take a while to recover from Tappan Zee $4B bridge.

[webny99]

I can't quite fathom how there is so much variance in cost between the alternatives, but if the freeway does end up being removed, it will be a significant downgrade for the redundancy of Albany's freeway network as traffic between north and south will have to use the Thruway/Northway rather than I-787/NY 7.

[Plutonic Panda]

If I-787 gets cut off from its parent, does it keep the number? Given an x90 isn't an option, maybe just make the whole thing NY 787 in that case.

It could stay. Lots of I-x278s, plus I-495, in NYC never connected to their parent. In Oklahoma, AASHTO just approved I-335 east of OKC, with no guarantee it will ever connect to I-35.

What do you mean there's no guarantee it will connect? At this point, it seems like a certainty that it will connect to the southern segment by Purcell. I'm not sure how far along they are with that project but I would suspect land acquisition will begin very soon if it hasn't already.

Land acquisition and design for the east to west connector which will go all the way from I-44 with a five level stack at I-35 and then to the Kickapoo southern extension(I-335) has already begun.

[kalvado]

I can't quite fathom how there is so much variance in cost between the alternatives, but if the freeway does end up being removed, it will be a significant downgrade for the redundancy of Albany's freeway network as traffic between north and south will have to use the Thruway/Northway rather than I-787/NY 7.

It's a political push, so who cares about the aftermath.

[Plutonic Panda]

The materials from tonight's open house on I-787, including potential concepts, are online.

https://webapps.dot.ny.gov/reimagining-i-787

Why do they Even bother with tunnel options since we know, especially given a lot of posters here Who just go with the status quo of oh, it's too expensive. Doesn't make sense blah, blah blah.

I mean, even now, it seems like every other country and their dog are able to build tunnels with no problem. We just can't do it in the united states. It should have been done in Syracuse, but they didn't do it So what makes anyone think they're gonna do it here. They need to keep this freeway. But i'm sure they will go with the boulevard option. Par for the course with new york.

[The Ghostbuster]

I don't know about Syracuse, but I would love to see more tunnels built in the United States. I was disappointed that the 710 tunnel in Los Angeles wasn't built, and the Gowanus Expressway Tunnel in New York City was canned. A tunnel bypassing the Brooklyn Heights segment of the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway will probably never be built either, but it was a noble idea considering how difficult it will be to reconstruct the double-decked segment under the Brooklyn Heights Promenade.

[kalvado]

The materials from tonight's open house on I-787, including potential concepts, are online.

https://webapps.dot.ny.gov/reimagining-i-787

Why do they Even bother with tunnel options since we know, especially given a lot of posters here Who just go with the status quo of oh, it's too expensive. Doesn't make sense blah, blah blah.

I mean, even now, it seems like every other country and their dog are able to build tunnels with no problem. We just can't do it in the united states. It should have been done in Syracuse, but they didn't do it So what makes anyone think they're gonna do it here. They need to keep this freeway. But i'm sure they will go with the boulevard option. Par for the course with new york.

Welcome to the fourth world, mister.

[Rothman]

The materials from tonight's open house on I-787, including potential concepts, are online.

https://webapps.dot.ny.gov/reimagining-i-787

Why do they Even bother with tunnel options since we know, especially given a lot of posters here Who just go with the status quo of oh, it's too expensive. Doesn't make sense blah, blah blah.

I mean, even now, it seems like every other country and their dog are able to build tunnels with no problem. We just can't do it in the united states. It should have been done in Syracuse, but they didn't do it So what makes anyone think they're gonna do it here. They need to keep this freeway. But i'm sure they will go with the boulevard option. Par for the course with new york.

You're still beating this broken drum...

[Plutonic Panda]

The materials from tonight's open house on I-787, including potential concepts, are online.

https://webapps.dot.ny.gov/reimagining-i-787

Why do they Even bother with tunnel options since we know, especially given a lot of posters here Who just go with the status quo of oh, it's too expensive. Doesn't make sense blah, blah blah.

I mean, even now, it seems like every other country and their dog are able to build tunnels with no problem. We just can't do it in the united states. It should have been done in Syracuse, but they didn't do it So what makes anyone think they're gonna do it here. They need to keep this freeway. But i'm sure they will go with the boulevard option. Par for the course with new york.

You're still beating this broken drum...

Like clockwork.

And just like how you can't help yourself by not responding I can't help myself by not beating this broken drum. I'll keep beating it.

[vdeane]

Why do they Even bother with tunnel options since we know, especially given a lot of posters here Who just go with the status quo of oh, it's too expensive. Doesn't make sense blah, blah blah.

DOTs need to study every option, even if unlikely to be implemented, in order to document everything related to it and support why it wasn't chosen.  Otherwise someone will say "why didn't you look at [insert option here]" and the project will get delayed to study it later.

[Plutonic Panda]

Lol let's study flying cars then