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Interesting Gravel Intersection I-35 @ CR E0430 in OK

Started by Brian556, July 05, 2017, 01:28:19 PM

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Brian556

This is odd and interesting. Two ramps have been removed. It looks like the CR within the interchange used to be paved. The guardrails are way too low indicating that the road has increased in height due to material being added.

The BGS signage does not agree with Google concerning the street name. The BGS calls it Airport Rd, but Google calls it Quail/ E0430 RD.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3912989,-97.3263096,3a,75y,267.35h,79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stXalMRfBradzDL5RmeAvbw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DtXalMRfBradzDL5RmeAvbw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D302.4691%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656


rte66man

Quote from: Brian556 on July 05, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
This is odd and interesting. Two ramps have been removed. It looks like the CR within the interchange used to be paved. The guardrails are way too low indicating that the road has increased in height due to material being added.

The BGS signage does not agree with Google concerning the street name. The BGS calls it Airport Rd, but Google calls it Quail/ E0430 RD.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3912989,-97.3263096,3a,75y,267.35h,79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stXalMRfBradzDL5RmeAvbw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DtXalMRfBradzDL5RmeAvbw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D302.4691%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

It is Airport Road.  The ramps to NB 35 and from SB 35 were removed when the interchange with US412 just to the north was built in the 70's
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catsynth

Interesting to see the signs to I-35 and US 64 there, as well as the remains of the closed ramps...
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sparker

Quote from: Brian556 on July 05, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
This is odd and interesting. Two ramps have been removed. It looks like the CR within the interchange used to be paved. The guardrails are way too low indicating that the road has increased in height due to material being added.

The BGS signage does not agree with Google concerning the street name. The BGS calls it Airport Rd, but Google calls it Quail/ E0430 RD.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3912989,-97.3263096,3a,75y,267.35h,79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stXalMRfBradzDL5RmeAvbw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DtXalMRfBradzDL5RmeAvbw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D302.4691%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

By any chance, is this one of those infamous roads that were previously paved but are returning to gravel for fiscal (cost of maintenance) reasons?

rte66man

Quote from: sparker on July 07, 2017, 11:35:28 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on July 05, 2017, 01:28:19 PM
This is odd and interesting. Two ramps have been removed. It looks like the CR within the interchange used to be paved. The guardrails are way too low indicating that the road has increased in height due to material being added.

The BGS signage does not agree with Google concerning the street name. The BGS calls it Airport Rd, but Google calls it Quail/ E0430 RD.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3912989,-97.3263096,3a,75y,267.35h,79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stXalMRfBradzDL5RmeAvbw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DtXalMRfBradzDL5RmeAvbw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D302.4691%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656

By any chance, is this one of those infamous roads that were previously paved but are returning to gravel for fiscal (cost of maintenance) reasons?

Yes, I suspect that is correct.  With the access to the road now limited by the ramp removals, that would make perfect sense as the traffic would no longer require an asphalt road surface.
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Scott5114

Quote from: catsynth on July 07, 2017, 05:36:05 PM
Interesting to see the signs to I-35 and US 64 there, as well as the remains of the closed ramps...

It kind of looks like they still get use occasionally...
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froggie

^ Two interchanges to the west (Exit 311) has a similar scenario with the westbound ramps being gravel.

On that note, there are a number of interchanges along I-70 between Junction City and Topeka where the ramps are paved, but the cross-roadways are gravel outside the immediate interchange area, if not through the interchange itself.

Rick1962

Quote from: catsynth on July 07, 2017, 05:36:05 PM
Interesting to see the signs to I-35 and US 64 there, as well as the remains of the closed ramps...
Another question is raised by the I-35 overpass being built to accommodate a dual highway. Due to the proximity to 412, could thus have been originally planned as part of the rerouting of US 64 before the Cimarron was built?

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Brandon

Quote from: Rick1962 on September 17, 2018, 07:26:52 PM
Quote from: catsynth on July 07, 2017, 05:36:05 PM
Interesting to see the signs to I-35 and US 64 there, as well as the remains of the closed ramps...

Another question is raised by the I-35 overpass being built to accommodate a dual highway. Due to the proximity to 412, could thus have been originally planned as part of the rerouting of US 64 before the Cimarron was built?

It's quite strange to see a divided gravel highway.
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will_e_777

It was a diamond interchange and the route from I-35 to Enid before the turnpike was finished:

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rte66man

Quote from: will_e_777 on September 17, 2018, 10:01:30 PM
It was a diamond interchange and the route from I-35 to Enid before the turnpike was finished:


Quote from: will_e_777 on September 17, 2018, 10:01:30 PM
It was a diamond interchange and the route from I-35 to Enid before the turnpike was finished:


Umm, no.  That exit was never the route from I35 to Enid.

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This is a section of the official 1973 map.  US64 originally ran east from Enid slightly south of the current expressway alignment. It turned south at the junction with OK15 and ran along what is now OK164 through Covington to Perry.  At some point about 1971, 64 was moved to it's current alignment from Enid to I-35. At no time did it run on Airport Road.
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edwaleni

Looking at the topo from 1974, the turnpike was just getting built.

Also you will notice that the I-35 gravel exit has a counterpart north of the airport. Same as the other, gravel, only gets off and gets on to the east, where I-35 was just a north and south.

The 1974 map just says "Enid Interchange" at US64 and I-35 and is missing ramps to go east on the Cimmarron.

edwaleni

A little more on the gravel road exit.

When I-35 was built through here in 1971, the Cimarron Tollway or the Enid Expressway (US-64/US-412) didn't exist.

I have checked all around to see if OKDOT was planning to route a new US-64/US-412 through there in 1971 and built it accordingly. 

It would explain why they put a double lane bridge for I-35 and had both north and south exits.  I can't find anything to that effect.

It appears when the Enid Expressway was built a few years later (1974) just a mile north, they took out the north side ramps. The Cimarron came along to connect it in 1975.

I am checking some older maps, because that road used to be the main drag from Enid to US-77.

That airport used to be Noble Army Airforces Airport and was built in 1942 and served as a trainer field. It was an auxiliary to Tinker AAFB and Enid AAFB (now Vance AFB).

When it was decommissioned in 1946, the City of Perry decided to take it on as a municipal field. Today it mostly serves the oil industry and other civil aviation. The original criss-cross runways typical of the era have been abandoned and is now a single N/S runway arrangement.






rte66man

Quote from: edwaleni on November 16, 2018, 05:52:02 PM
A little more on the gravel road exit.

When I-35 was built through here in 1971...

Uhh, no.  I35 was completed in this area in 1963-64.
When you come to a fork in the road... TAKE IT.

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rte66man

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Quote from: rte66man on November 16, 2018, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 16, 2018, 05:52:02 PM
A little more on the gravel road exit.

When I-35 was built through here in 1971...

Uhh, no.  I35 was completed in this area in 1963-64.

From January 1971:
When you come to a fork in the road... TAKE IT.

                                                               -Yogi Berra

edwaleni

Quote from: rte66man on November 16, 2018, 11:23:50 PM
Quote from: rte66man on November 16, 2018, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on November 16, 2018, 05:52:02 PM
A little more on the gravel road exit.

When I-35 was built through here in 1971...

Uhh, no.  I35 was completed in this area in 1963-64.

From January 1971:


Thanks for the correction. Not sure where I pulled that date from as the I knew the Norman to OKC was done back in the 50's.

Still checking out that bridge.  East 0430 (a.k.a East Market Street east of Enid) used to be US-64 and when it reached OK-74, there is a wye there where It looks like the pavement dates to the 1930's.  While US-64 turned south to follow OK-74, if you follow 0430 further east, it hits that bridge at I-35.

I have to assume when I-35 was built, there were plans to bring US-64 further east on top of E0430, so the bridge was built accordingly. Then they must have changed their minds and built the Enid Expressway on a new ROW instead to align with the future Cimarron.

Why my interest?

My grandfather (a preacher) drove from Enid to Perry in 1952 to pick up my dad at the Santa Fe train station in Perry at 1AM, so he could marry him to my mom 9 hours later.

Not to get too far off topic. My mom graduated with Owen Garriott (the name of Market Street in Enid now) from Enid High School in 1945.  I recently was going through some old boxes from my mom and found her prom stuff and in there was a program and the master of ceremonies was Owen himself.

I tried to meet him at the Astronaut Hall of Fame, but it was so hot and humid in Florida, security whisked him off into a air conditioned room and cordoned off everyone else. I was quite bummed as my mom and uncles all knew him.

Don Haskins, the famous basketball player and coach from Enid was my mom's cousin.



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