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Started by Alps, March 08, 2019, 10:19:20 PM

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renegade

Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo"  to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:

EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway


Yeah, that'd kill people ...
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X99

Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo"  to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:

EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway


Yeah, that'd kill people ...
That's basically a double grade-separated diverging diamond interchange. Traffic isn't exiting head-on into other traffic; it all lines up perfectly. I'm sure China would make one if you sent them the design.
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hotdogPi

Quote from: X99 on March 19, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo"  to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:

EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway


Yeah, that'd kill people ...
That's basically a double grade-separated diverging diamond interchange. Traffic isn't exiting head-on into other traffic; it all lines up perfectly. I'm sure China would make one if you sent them the design.

The four inside loops could be replaced with short straight ramps on the outside.

The four U-turn ramps could also be replaced with much longer ramps, and they should – try entering from the south and exiting to the east without getting killed.
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Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo"  to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:

EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.

Early Mapquest directions on the Coquihalla Highway in BC told me to take a sharp turn off the end of a cloverleaf and onto oncoming traffic.

X99

Quote from: 1 on March 19, 2019, 10:16:01 PM
The four inside loops could be replaced with short straight ramps on the outside.
that kinda ruins the whole "inclo" idea if you take out the cloverleafs
why are there only like 5 people on this forum from south dakota

skluth

Quote from: X99 on March 19, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo"  to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:

EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway


Yeah, that'd kill people ...
That's basically a double grade-separated diverging diamond interchange. Traffic isn't exiting head-on into other traffic; it all lines up perfectly. I'm sure China would make one if you sent them the design.

Taking any of the eight outer ramps will put you on a perpendicular road going the wrong direction. Those aren't U-turns.

X99

Quote from: skluth on March 21, 2019, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: X99 on March 19, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo"  to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:

EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway


Yeah, that'd kill people ...
That's basically a double grade-separated diverging diamond interchange. Traffic isn't exiting head-on into other traffic; it all lines up perfectly. I'm sure China would make one if you sent them the design.

Taking any of the eight outer ramps will put you on a perpendicular road going the wrong direction. Those aren't U-turns.
To clarify, I wasn't seeing that the outside ramps had a connection to the perpendicular highway, I thought they were just U-turn ramps.
why are there only like 5 people on this forum from south dakota

X99

Here's my two-minute sketch of what I thought an inclo would look like. Not as good as briantroutman's, but I don't have that kind of editing software. One disadvantage: left exits.

i made an imgur for this
why are there only like 5 people on this forum from south dakota

kurumi

Quote from: X99 on March 21, 2019, 10:17:09 PM
Here's my two-minute sketch of what I thought an inclo would look like. Not as good as briantroutman's, but I don't have that kind of editing software. One disadvantage: left exits.


Advantage: no weaving.

Also: the diagonal ramps are superfluous -- the loops take care of those movements. However, outside loops can handle the missing movements, giving you an 8-loop cloverleaf. C/D roads on the outside can mitigate weaving.

A solution with all ramps inside the square is left to the student.
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kphoger

Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM

Quote from: X99 on March 21, 2019, 10:17:09 PM
Here's my two-minute sketch of what I thought an inclo would look like. Not as good as briantroutman's, but I don't have that kind of editing software. One disadvantage: left exits.


Advantage: no weaving.

Also: the diagonal ramps are superfluous -- the loops take care of those movements.

That's because half the movements are missing.  For example, there's no path to go north-to-west.
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Duke87

Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
A solution with all ramps inside the square is left to the student.

Well, it requires a lot of carriageway spread, but...

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MantyMadTown

Quote from: Duke87 on March 22, 2019, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
A solution with all ramps inside the square is left to the student.

Well, it requires a lot of carriageway spread, but...



I have a feeling that would take up more space than a regular cloverleaf.
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renegade

Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 22, 2019, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on March 22, 2019, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
A solution with all ramps inside the square is left to the student.

Well, it requires a lot of carriageway spread, but...



I have a feeling that would take up more space than a regular cloverleaf.
Still less acreage than some of tradephoric's designs.    :popcorn:
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X99

Quote from: kphoger on March 22, 2019, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM

Quote from: X99 on March 21, 2019, 10:17:09 PM
Here's my two-minute sketch of what I thought an inclo would look like. Not as good as briantroutman's, but I don't have that kind of editing software. One disadvantage: left exits.


Advantage: no weaving.

Also: the diagonal ramps are superfluous -- the loops take care of those movements.

That's because half the movements are missing.  For example, there's no path to go north-to-west.

I fixed it- sort of. I didn't have access to my original drawing, so I did this in Paint. My point was to extend the outside ramps as flyovers to the missing movement (example: NB-to-EB diagonal ramp is now a flyover going to WB)
Still no weaving, unless some idiot took a wrong turn.
why are there only like 5 people on this forum from south dakota

X99

Bumping the thread because

I found one.

This is the interchange of the A4 and A50 northwest of Milan, Italy. The real-life version is contorted and hard to follow (and has a tollbooth in the middle of it), so this image comes from Euro Truck Simulator 2's ProMods map mod.
why are there only like 5 people on this forum from south dakota

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I found it:

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State Interstates clinched: I-26 (TN), I-75 (GA), I-75 (KY), I-75 (TN), I-81 (WV), I-95 (NH)



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