If some of the Big Four Leagues expands, where the new teams would go and how they would be named? Some proposals:
Sacramento NHL IceBreakers, NFL Notties, MLB Questions
Houston NHL Aeros
Louisville NBA Coaters, NHL Louises NFL Villains, MLB Stokings
Virginia Beach NBA Colonists, NHL Rhinos, NFL Teas, MLB Martins
Hawaii Honu
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Quote from: MultiMillionMiler on February 17, 2023, 10:54:59 AM
As for new sports teams, I think they should be named after interstate highways. Preferably teams wearing I-80 and I-90 shirts would likely yield the most competitive spirit. Their individual player numbers could be represented with a mile marker symbol on the back.
The I-90 team has to play in an arena suspended over Lake Michigan.
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Determining the best city for a new NBA team to expand is a complex issue that depends on various factors such as market size, fan support, arena availability, and ownership group. However, here are a few potential cities that could be considered for the next NBA team:
1. Seattle: Seattle is a city with a rich basketball history, having previously hosted an NBA team, the Seattle SuperSonics, until they moved to Oklahoma City in 2008. Seattle has a strong sports fan base, a growing population, and a vibrant economy, making it a prime location for a new NBA team.
2. Las Vegas: Las Vegas is a popular destination for sports and entertainment, and its booming economy and growing population make it an attractive market for the NBA. The city has already proven its ability to support major sports events, including the NBA Summer League, which is held in Las Vegas each year.
3. Mexico City: Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the world and has a passionate fan base for basketball. The NBA has already played regular-season games in Mexico City, and the league has expressed interest in expanding to international markets.
4. Vancouver: Similar to Seattle, Vancouver has a history of hosting an NBA team, the Vancouver Grizzlies, until they moved to Memphis in 2001. Vancouver has since undergone significant growth and development, making it a potentially attractive market for the NBA to return to.
Ultimately, the decision of where to expand the NBA will depend on a variety of factors, including ownership interest, arena availability, and other logistical considerations.
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Determining the best city for a new NBA team to expand is a complex issue that depends on various factors such as market size, fan support, arena availability, and ownership group. However, here are a few potential cities that could be considered for the next NBA team:
1. Seattle: Seattle is a city with a rich basketball history, having previously hosted an NBA team, the Seattle SuperSonics, until they moved to Oklahoma City in 2008. Seattle has a strong sports fan base, a growing population, and a vibrant economy, making it a prime location for a new NBA team.
2. Las Vegas: Las Vegas is a popular destination for sports and entertainment, and its booming economy and growing population make it an attractive market for the NBA. The city has already proven its ability to support major sports events, including the NBA Summer League, which is held in Las Vegas each year.
3. Mexico City: Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the world and has a passionate fan base for basketball. The NBA has already played regular-season games in Mexico City, and the league has expressed interest in expanding to international markets.
4. Vancouver: Similar to Seattle, Vancouver has a history of hosting an NBA team, the Vancouver Grizzlies, until they moved to Memphis in 2001. Vancouver has since undergone significant growth and development, making it a potentially attractive market for the NBA to return to.
Ultimately, the decision of where to expand the NBA will depend on a variety of factors, including ownership interest, arena availability, and other logistical considerations.
Hope that NBA expands soon.
MLB will expand to Montreal in 2033.
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44 topics total by Poiponen, 5 in the last day, and counting.
The Souky Forum Topics, if the communist regime will allow it
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Strings of seemingly incongruous words mashed together.
If Hampton Roads somehow got an MLB team (and it would pass several larger markets to do that) it would most likely go in Norfolk, which already has a stadium.
Quote from: Takumi on February 17, 2023, 12:10:46 PM
If Hampton Roads somehow got an MLB team (and it would pass several larger markets to do that) it would most likely go in Norfolk, which already has a stadium.
They have a stadium that seats at least 30k?
32 is a nice round number, so I don't see the NFL and NHL expanding anytime soon, unless the NFL does so internationally.
As for the NBA, Vega$ and Seattle seem to be the logical choices. Seattle was pretty much promised one when the Sonics moved to OKC.
MLB is a little less certain with where the expansion teams would go. Much of it is contingent on the A's potential move to Vega$. It seems Les Rays du Montreal isn't going to happen with plans for a new St Petersburg ballpark just announced. So it leaves 4 cities to really consider: Charlotte, Nashville, Portland, and Montreal. I would love to see Montreal get a 2nd chance, and many want to see them get an AL team to play the Jays more (as well as draw in Red Sox fans from northern Vermont and Yankees fans from the North Country of NY). However, they DEFINITELY need a new ballpark; Stade Olympique is a dump. I went to a game there once and it wasn't a great experience. Charlotte and/or Nashville will definitely get one of the teams regardless of the A's situation.
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
But Houston can. NHL team to there asap.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
But Houston can. NHL team to there asap.
Yeah I think that Houston should have an NHL team as well. Those other cities could probably support 1 or 2 teams, but not all 4.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
But Houston can. NHL team to there asap.
Yeah I think that Houston should have an NHL team as well. Those other cities could probably support 1 or 2 teams, but not all 4.
Definitely SuperSonics to Seattle and Expos to Montreal. Oh, and promotion and relegation.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2023, 12:03:19 PM
Strings of seemingly incongruous words mashed together.
No, that's
Lorem ipsum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum).
ChatGPT, in contrast, is text that makes total syntactic sense as an answer to your question, asserted with unflinching authority, and close enough to the answer your were suspecting all along but with additional details only hinted at in your previous research, that you accept the answer as gospel truth, because anything that's smarter than Google couldn't possibly be wrong.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
But Houston can. NHL team to there asap.
Yeah I think that Houston should have an NHL team as well. Those other cities could probably support 1 or 2 teams, but not all 4.
Definitely SuperSonics to Seattle and Expos to Montreal. Oh, and promotion and relegation.
I'm not the first one to say that promotion and relegation would never work in North American sports.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
But Houston can. NHL team to there asap.
Yeah I think that Houston should have an NHL team as well. Those other cities could probably support 1 or 2 teams, but not all 4.
Definitely SuperSonics to Seattle and Expos to Montreal. Oh, and promotion and relegation.
I'm not the first one to say that promotion and relegation would never work in North American sports.
No no no no. They
would work. At least Minor League Baseball and lower hockey could have promotion and relegation.
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 17, 2023, 02:09:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
But Houston can. NHL team to there asap.
Québec City will have a NHL team long before one in Houston.
Quote from: kphoger on February 17, 2023, 02:17:59 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2023, 12:03:19 PM
Strings of seemingly incongruous words mashed together.
No, that's Lorem ipsum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum).
ChatGPT, in contrast, is text that makes total syntactic sense as an answer to your question, asserted with unflinching authority, and close enough to the answer your were suspecting all along but with additional details only hinted at in your previous research, that you accept the answer as gospel truth, because anything that's smarter than Google couldn't possibly be wrong.
But that's why I said it's ChatGPT gone wrong. Either way, there are a whole lot of words put together in the OP that don't make sense.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
I do know Virginia Beach has tried several times to get a NBA team or even a NBA G League team, and there was even a plan to build an arena to host a major league sports team (the Sacramento Kings were in talks to relocate to Virginia Beach), but those efforts died a few years ago. Virginia Beach does have a multipurpose indoor sports center that could reasonably host a G League team (it seats 5,000), but right now it doesn't look like any G League teams are interested in relocating, and the facility has been operating at a loss since it opened during a global pandemic and all.
The Norfolk Scope seats 11,000 and actually previously hosted the ABA's Virginia Squires (which folded when the ABA merged with the NBA), but the building is in dire need of renovation. The ECHL's Norfolk Admirals play there, and the arena currently hosts the MEAC men's basketball tournament. The Hampton Coliseum, which seats 13,000, has the same issues and hasn't hosted a professional or college sports team since the 1990s.
At this point the most likely location for a major non-football sports team in Virginia is Richmond, as a 17,500-seat arena will soon be built in Henrico County on Parham Road near I-95 in the space currently occupied by Best Products' former headquarters. That arena is expected to open in 2026.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
But Houston can. NHL team to there asap.
Québec City will have a NHL team long before one in Houston.
I dunno, given how the situation with the Arizona Coyotes lately, we could see a relocation to Houston sooner than you'd think. I would definitely become interested in hockey if we got the Aeros.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 02:02:36 PM
Louisville, Virginia Beach, and Sacramento can't support 4 major sports teams.
But Houston can. NHL team to there asap.
Yeah I think that Houston should have an NHL team as well. Those other cities could probably support 1 or 2 teams, but not all 4.
Definitely SuperSonics to Seattle and Expos to Montreal. Oh, and promotion and relegation.
I'm not the first one to say that promotion and relegation would never work in North American sports.
No no no no. They would work. At least Minor League Baseball and lower hockey could have promotion and relegation.
Oh, well, apparently all you need to do to show you're right is just say you are in bold text. None of this annoying, time-consuming "convincing people" stuff. :rolleyes:
Pro/rel requires a lot of teams to already be on somewhat equal and stable financial footing. No minor league in this country is even close to that. Japan managed to do it in the 1990s only after blowing up the original soccer system and subsidizing the hell out of the second division for a while.
I wish more sports video games had a feature to add expansion teams to your league. NBA 2k and EA Sports' NHL series do have that, and I think Madden did once upon a time, but AFAIK, MLB The Show does not. It would be great if someone called San Diego Studio and asked them to put that into the game, but it probably will be limited to the next-gen consoles (i.e. PS5 and Xbox Series X). At the very least, though, The Show already has Stadium Creator, so that's a start.
Quote from: Henry on February 17, 2023, 07:37:21 PM
I wish more sports video games had a feature to add expansion teams to your league. NBA 2k and EA Sports' NHL series do have that, and I think Madden did once upon a time, but AFAIK, MLB The Show does not. It would be great if someone called San Diego Studio and asked them to put that into the game, but it probably will be limited to the next-gen consoles (i.e. PS5 and Xbox Series X). At the very least, though, The Show already has Stadium Creator, so that's a start.
madden franchise is so trash compared to other similar games. It's why I haven't owned a madden in a few years.
I love the idea of promotion/relegation in theory. As mentioned above, it would take massive subsidies for the "new" teams as well as massive investment in stadium upgrades. But assuming each new team could get their capacity to 30,000 or so, I took a swipe at a setup:
- The current MLB teams are put into eight four-team divisions. There's a significant amount of movement between AL and NL to make the geography work.
- Three expansion teams are added to the top tier: Portland, Charlotte, and Montreal. Oakland moves to San Jose and is relegated.
- The second tier is made up of three additional teams in each of the eight divisions. With smaller budgets for travel and to drive local interest, they do the majority of their games geographically (i.e., the six West teams play each other the most) as opposed to intra-league.
- Each of the eight-team divisions has one team move up, one team move down per season.
NL WEST
Portland
San Francisco
Los Angeles
San Diego
---
Sacramento
Vancouver
Albuquerque
AL WEST
Seattle
Colorado
Los Angeles
Arizona
--
San Jose
Las Vegas
Salt Lake City
NL CENTRAL
Chicago
Cincinnati
Milwaukee
Toronto
--
Nashville
Louisville
Omaha
AL CENTRAL
Chicago
Cleveland
Minnesota
Detroit
--
Indianapolis
Oklahoma City
Memphis
NL SOUTH
Atlanta
Miami
St Louis
Houston
--
Jacksonville
Ft. Worth
New Orleans
AL SOUTH
Charlotte
Tampa Bay
Kansas City
Texas
--
San Antonio
Austin
Orlando
NL EAST
New York
Philadelphia
Washington
Pittsburgh
--
Norfolk
Providence
Columbus
AL EAST
New York
Boston
Baltimore
Montreal
--
Buffalo
Durham
New Jersey
Some of these markets aren't *quite* large enough, but they're all pretty close to 1 million+, especially when taking the whole media market into account.
Quote from: DTComposer on February 17, 2023, 11:21:26 PM
I love the idea of promotion/relegation in theory. As mentioned above, it would take massive subsidies for the "new" teams as well as massive investment in stadium upgrades. But assuming each new team could get their capacity to 30,000 or so, I took a swipe at a setup:
- The current MLB teams are put into eight four-team divisions. There's a significant amount of movement between AL and NL to make the geography work.
- Three expansion teams are added to the top tier: Portland, Charlotte, and Montreal. Oakland moves to San Jose and is relegated.
- The second tier is made up of three additional teams in each of the eight divisions. With smaller budgets for travel and to drive local interest, they do the majority of their games geographically (i.e., the six West teams play each other the most) as opposed to intra-league.
- Each of the eight-team divisions has one team move up, one team move down per season.
NL WEST
Portland
San Francisco
Los Angeles
San Diego
---
Sacramento
Vancouver
Albuquerque
AL WEST
Seattle
Colorado
Los Angeles
Arizona
--
San Jose
Las Vegas
Salt Lake City
NL CENTRAL
Chicago
Cincinnati
Milwaukee
Toronto
--
Nashville
Louisville
Omaha
AL CENTRAL
Chicago
Cleveland
Minnesota
Detroit
--
Indianapolis
Oklahoma City
Memphis
NL SOUTH
Atlanta
Miami
St Louis
Houston
--
Jacksonville
Ft. Worth
New Orleans
AL SOUTH
Charlotte
Tampa Bay
Kansas City
Texas
--
San Antonio
Austin
Orlando
NL EAST
New York
Philadelphia
Washington
Pittsburgh
--
Norfolk
Providence
Columbus
AL EAST
New York
Boston
Baltimore
Montreal
--
Buffalo
Durham
New Jersey
Some of these markets aren't *quite* large enough, but they're all pretty close to 1 million+, especially when taking the whole media market into account.
Good!
As I said in the other thread, no major sports team owner is going to agree to risk having their team shunted to some secondary league. And I can't exactly blame them.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 17, 2023, 07:37:21 PM
I wish more sports video games had a feature to add expansion teams to your league. NBA 2k and EA Sports' NHL series do have that, and I think Madden did once upon a time, but AFAIK, MLB The Show does not. It would be great if someone called San Diego Studio and asked them to put that into the game, but it probably will be limited to the next-gen consoles (i.e. PS5 and Xbox Series X). At the very least, though, The Show already has Stadium Creator, so that's a start.
madden franchise is so trash compared to other similar games. It's why I haven't owned a madden in a few years.
If you have a Madden you're not using, I hear Poiponen likes them.
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 07:43:51 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 17, 2023, 07:37:21 PM
I wish more sports video games had a feature to add expansion teams to your league. NBA 2k and EA Sports' NHL series do have that, and I think Madden did once upon a time, but AFAIK, MLB The Show does not. It would be great if someone called San Diego Studio and asked them to put that into the game, but it probably will be limited to the next-gen consoles (i.e. PS5 and Xbox Series X). At the very least, though, The Show already has Stadium Creator, so that's a start.
madden franchise is so trash compared to other similar games. It's why I haven't owned a madden in a few years.
If you have a Madden you're not using, I hear Poiponen likes them.
All my maddens are digital downloads.
Poiponen might become maddened when he realizes that he realizes that the person he has a crush on only exists in the digital world.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 18, 2023, 06:35:51 PM
As I said in the other thread, no major sports team owner is going to agree to risk having their team shunted to some secondary league. And I can't exactly blame them.
I'll also be happy to let the fans' marketplace have the honor of destroying them when they get very bad.
NBA-Kansas City and Seattle I doubt Las Vegas is viable because they have the NHL.
NFL- St Louis and San Antonio
NHL- Not sure Houston maybe? I doubt Atlanta would get a 3rd try but who knows. Now that Seattle has a team there are no major markets in the northern US without a team. Perhaps another one in Canada but I would have no idea where.
MLB- Charlotte and Portland
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And their championship game is the Tidy Bowl?
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NBA-Kansas City and Seattle I doubt Las Vegas is viable because they have the NHL.
KC and Seattle already lost teams (though don't get me started on the whole Sonics-to-OKC fiasco), so I'd be more willing to let Vegas have a shot at the NBA. Their WNBA team does well and the NBA All-Star Game in Vegas a few years ago was a huge success.
Quote from: dvferyance on March 16, 2023, 09:11:57 PM
NHL- Not sure Houston maybe? I doubt Atlanta would get a 3rd try but who knows. Now that Seattle has a team there are no major markets in the northern US without a team. Perhaps another one in Canada but I would have no idea where.
I've read that Salt Lake City has begun inquiring as to how to obtain an NHL franchise. Other "northern" cities that could be considered would be Portland, Cleveland, Cincinnati or Indianapolis, although Cleveland has already failed once and Portland has territorial issues with Seattle. And I second the Houston idea; I always wondered how the NHL justified screwing Houston in the WHA merger.
I've read that Salt Lake City has begun inquiring as to how to obtain an NHL franchise. Other "northern" cities that could be considered would be Portland, Cleveland, Cincinnati or Indianapolis, although Cleveland has already failed once and Portland has territorial issues with Seattle. And I second the Houston idea; I always wondered how the NHL justified screwing Houston in the WHA merger.
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Columbus, OH has an NHL team, and that's the only major league team that they can have since Cleveland and Cincinnati have NFL and MLB teams and Cleveland has an NBA team. I don't know if NHL has the same deference to existing owners that those other leagues do, but if so, that would be enough to keep hockey out of Cleveland and Cincinnati.
Seattle is a new team and Columbus has hardly been a juggernaut in its 20+ year existence, so I don't think they'd have much real pull beyond shouting and screaming.
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 13, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
Columbus, OH has an NHL team, and that's the only major league team that they can have since Cleveland and Cincinnati have NFL and MLB teams and Cleveland has an NBA team.
Columbus has an MLS team, which they have built two stadiums for.
Quote from: Bruce on April 13, 2023, 01:39:22 PM
Quote from: Life in Paradise on April 13, 2023, 01:19:53 PM
Columbus, OH has an NHL team, and that's the only major league team that they can have since Cleveland and Cincinnati have NFL and MLB teams and Cleveland has an NBA team.
Columbus has an MLS team, which they have built two stadiums for.
You are right, they have MLS as does Cincinnati. I just haven't got to the point of equating MLS to the same level of NBA, MLB, NFL and NHL. I know its becoming so in the US and is dominate worldwide but I grew up in a time when soccer was just in a few select high schools in my state.
Quote from: dvferyance on March 16, 2023, 09:11:57 PM
NHL- Not sure Houston maybe? I doubt Atlanta would get a 3rd try but who knows. Now that Seattle has a team there are no major markets in the northern US without a team. Perhaps another one in Canada but I would have no idea where.
Quebec City, Hamilton, or Halifax jump out to me, the former obviously having had a team before (go Avs!). The first two far likelier than the last, but I think all of Atlantic Canada would probably support a team there.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on April 14, 2023, 12:39:36 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 16, 2023, 09:11:57 PM
NHL- Not sure Houston maybe? I doubt Atlanta would get a 3rd try but who knows. Now that Seattle has a team there are no major markets in the northern US without a team. Perhaps another one in Canada but I would have no idea where.
Quebec City, Hamilton, or Halifax jump out to me, the former obviously having had a team before (go Avs!). The first two far likelier than the last, but I think all of Atlantic Canada would probably support a team there.
You would think with a metro of almost half a million and being one of the fastest growing Canadian cities, Halifax would have a chance, but the did a few years ago lose a feeder team to the Edmonton Oilers.
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Quote from: dvferyance on March 16, 2023, 09:11:57 PM
NBA-Kansas City and Seattle I doubt Las Vegas is viable because they have the NHL.
KC and Seattle already lost teams (though don't get me started on the whole Sonics-to-OKC fiasco), so I'd be more willing to let Vegas have a shot at the NBA. Their WNBA team does well and the NBA All-Star Game in Vegas a few years ago was a huge success.
Quote from: dvferyance on March 16, 2023, 09:11:57 PM
NHL- Not sure Houston maybe? I doubt Atlanta would get a 3rd try but who knows. Now that Seattle has a team there are no major markets in the northern US without a team. Perhaps another one in Canada but I would have no idea where.
I've read that Salt Lake City has begun inquiring as to how to obtain an NHL franchise. Other "northern" cities that could be considered would be Portland, Cleveland, Cincinnati or Indianapolis, although Cleveland has already failed once and Portland has territorial issues with Seattle. And I second the Houston idea; I always wondered how the NHL justified screwing Houston in the WHA merger.
Now that Las Vegas will be getting the A's that will be 3 major league sports teams in Vegas. Can they support more than that? Vegas aint LA or Dallas or even Phoenix. Portland, SLC, Cleveland and Indianapolis already have NBA teams typically the NBA and NHL don't mix in the same market unless it's big those are only midsize cities. While Cincy doesn't have the NBA it is not far from Columbus which already has an NHL team. So I doubt any of those cities could work for the NHL.
Quote from: dvferyance on April 23, 2023, 08:40:58 PM
Now that Las Vegas will be getting the A's that will be 3 major league sports teams in Vegas. Can they support more than that? Vegas aint LA or Dallas or even Phoenix.
The point of Las Vegas having the Raiders isn't for the locals to go see the Raiders, it's for people from Kansas City to book their Vegas vacation for the weekend the Chiefs are playing the Raiders.
Quote from: Bruce on February 17, 2023, 07:07:18 PM
Pro/rel requires a lot of teams to already be on somewhat equal and stable financial footing. No minor league in this country is even close to that. Japan managed to do it in the 1990s only after blowing up the original soccer system and subsidizing the hell out of the second division for a while.
Pro ownership has no need to do that as they all run monopolies of a sort. The NFL, NHL, NBA, and MLB all have some sort of anti-trust exemption. The NFL has no international competition, while the other pro leagues pay far better than their international counterparts. The non-NFL leagues also all have minor league systems for those hoping to someday make the major leagues; it may cost the teams some money but there are also longer term benefits like broader fan support and the occasional star who wasn't a hyped prospect. I doubt team owners want a system which would kill their money-making franchise machines.
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 24, 2023, 08:10:32 AM
Quote from: dvferyance on April 23, 2023, 08:40:58 PM
Now that Las Vegas will be getting the A's that will be 3 major league sports teams in Vegas. Can they support more than that? Vegas aint LA or Dallas or even Phoenix.
The point of Las Vegas having the Raiders isn't for the locals to go see the Raiders, it's for people from Kansas City to book their Vegas vacation for the weekend the Chiefs are playing the Raiders.
But 80+ times a year, as in the A's case? Sincerely doubt the draw is going to be that much especially for those Wednesday afternoon games against Detroit or the Nationals.
I wonder how weather and climate would impact the Las Vegas A's. The Golden Knights and Raiders mostly play in the fall and winter, when (I'm guessing) the weather is nicer than in the summer. The A's having to play in the blazing hot summer when much of their fan base, especially snowbirds, will be in cooler (but still quite warm) climes elsewhere may become an issue.
In order to support both an NHL and NBA team I think the market size has to be pretty big. Smaller markets would never be able to support both.
Denver is the smallest metro area that has both an NBA and NHL team. Denver's metro has a population of right around 3 million. Houston of course is the largest metro area without an NHL team but would Houston really support a team. They have the Rockets and the Rockets finished 28th in NBA attendance this past season I guess it doesn't help that the Rockets were tied for the 2nd worst record in the NBA with their neighbors to the west in San Antonio.
The Pistons were the worst team in the NBA and finished 12th in attendance very surprised there because the Pistons are far and away the worst team and the least followed team in Detroit. The arena is fairly new and the Red Wings finished 4th in the NHL in attendance. The Wings haven't made the playoffs in 7 years now after making it for 30 of 32 years between the 1983-84 season and the 2015-16 season as well as 25 straight years between the 1990-91 season and 2015-16 season. When teams in Detroit are winning though the fans show up, when they are losing they stay home.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 09:07:56 AM
When teams in Detroit are winning though the fans show up, when they are losing they a few of them stay home.
FIFY. I'm always surprised at how many fans continue to support the Tigers and Lions.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on April 25, 2023, 09:07:56 AM
When teams in Detroit are winning though the fans show up, when they are losing they a few of them stay home.
FIFY. I'm always surprised at how many fans continue to support the Tigers and Lions.
The Lions are a little understandable because they only have eight games a year to draw from plus the preseason games. The Tigers though puzzle me I've tried to like that team and it's just impossible. I like their uniforms though their home uniform with that old English D is pretty nice.
MLB is taking Las Vegas out of the running for an expansion franchise, as the Oakland A's are slated to move there soon, but Rob Manfred is touting many other cities for expansion. They include:
- Charlotte
- Montreal
- Nashville
- Portland
- Salt Lake City
Of course, he will not proceed until Tampa resolves its own ballpark situation. But from what I'm hearing, it should move along smoother than the now-dead Howard Terminal plans in Oakland.
In order to sustain a MLB franchise you have to draw from 81 home games. That's a lot of games to draw from on a regular basis. The teams that draw well on a regular basis are established in their homes like Boston, New York, Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles and so on. I don't think expansion is going to be a good thing. You have so many people that have moved all over the country that already have had a favorite team growing up in another area that who's going to switch their team just because they happen to live somewhere else at that time? Charlotte would be one that would work in my opinion, it's not too close to Atlanta where it'll interfere too much with the Braves fan base and it's not even close to being anywhere near DC to interfere with the Nationals and Orioles. Nashville might work too as Tennesee has a large population but doesn't have a MLB team and it's not too close to another teams fan base to interfere there either.
You couldn't go put a team in Grand Rapids, Michigan and think that you are going to draw Tigers fans that have been fans of that team for generations. Columbus, Ohio would be another stupid location not that it's been mentioned but it's a good example of being in another markets fan base with Cleveland and Cincinnati being nearby. It has to be well thought out. I think Montreal could make another push for it with the right ownership and a new stadium.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on April 25, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
I wonder how weather and climate would impact the Las Vegas A's. The Golden Knights and Raiders mostly play in the fall and winter, when (I'm guessing) the weather is nicer than in the summer. The A's having to play in the blazing hot summer when much of their fan base, especially snowbirds, will be in cooler (but still quite warm) climes elsewhere.
That is kind of like what the Diamondbacks have to face every summer, too. At least their stadium has a roof that can offer them some protection from that weather.
Mike
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 26, 2023, 11:45:04 AM
Nashville might work too as Tennesee has a large population but doesn't have a MLB team and it's not too close to another teams fan base to interfere there either.
I just did the calculations from the nearest major-league cities - Nashville is 248 miles from Atlanta, 272 miles from Cincinnati, and 309 miles from St. Louis. Is the current fan-base there weighted toward any one of those teams, or is it just about an even mix?
Quote from: KCRoadFan on April 28, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 26, 2023, 11:45:04 AM
Nashville might work too as Tennesee has a large population but doesn't have a MLB team and it's not too close to another teams fan base to interfere there either.
I just did the calculations from the nearest major-league cities - Nashville is 248 miles from Atlanta, 272 miles from Cincinnati, and 309 miles from St. Louis. Is the current fan-base there weighted toward any one of those teams, or is it just about an even mix?
Atlanta, but I don't know how heavily weighted. However, the dividing line between Atlanta and Saint Louis is just to the west of the city.
https://www.vividseats.com/blog/most-popular-mlb-teams-by-state-county/map
My experience from the inside of TN sports bars was that Memphis had Cardinal games on; the rest of the state had Braves games.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on April 28, 2023, 04:17:43 PM
My experience from the inside of TN sports bars was that Memphis had Cardinal games on; the rest of the state had Braves games.
Memphis not only is not only downriver from STL...The Cardinals' AAA affiliate happens to be the Memphis Redbirds, so that is another connection
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on April 25, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
I wonder how weather and climate would impact the Las Vegas A's. The Golden Knights and Raiders mostly play in the fall and winter, when (I'm guessing) the weather is nicer than in the summer. The A's having to play in the blazing hot summer when much of their fan base, especially snowbirds, will be in cooler (but still quite warm) climes elsewhere may become an issue.
I imagine they'll just play at night, which would be more compatible with pulling in people from the Strip anyhow. Either that or they'll have a domed, climate controlled stadium.
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 29, 2023, 07:14:58 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on April 25, 2023, 07:05:24 AM
I wonder how weather and climate would impact the Las Vegas A's. The Golden Knights and Raiders mostly play in the fall and winter, when (I'm guessing) the weather is nicer than in the summer. The A's having to play in the blazing hot summer when much of their fan base, especially snowbirds, will be in cooler (but still quite warm) climes elsewhere may become an issue.
I imagine they'll just play at night, which would be more compatible with pulling in people from the Strip anyhow. Either that or they'll have a domed, climate controlled stadium.
I think the latter. It'll pretty much be a requirement in my opinion. The Rangers ditched a 25-year old open air stadium for one with a retractable roof partly because of the summer temperatures..
Quote from: KCRoadFan on April 28, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 26, 2023, 11:45:04 AM
Nashville might work too as Tennesee has a large population but doesn't have a MLB team and it's not too close to another teams fan base to interfere there either.
I just did the calculations from the nearest major-league cities - Nashville is 248 miles from Atlanta, 272 miles from Cincinnati, and 309 miles from St. Louis. Is the current fan-base there weighted toward any one of those teams, or is it just about an even mix?
Would Nashville want a team? They would have to build a stadium for it and they are already building one for the Titans. I doubt the taxpayers there would want to pay for 2 stadiums at once. Put it in Memphis if you are going to have a team in Tennessee.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on April 28, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 26, 2023, 11:45:04 AM
Nashville might work too as Tennesee has a large population but doesn't have a MLB team and it's not too close to another teams fan base to interfere there either.
I just did the calculations from the nearest major-league cities - Nashville is 248 miles from Atlanta, 272 miles from Cincinnati, and 309 miles from St. Louis. Is the current fan-base there weighted toward any one of those teams, or is it just about an even mix?
I'm not sure obviously just taking a guess but I always thought the western part of Tennessee was more geared toward the Cardinals and the eastern more geared toward the Braves but I could be wrong and don't know about the central part of the state around Nashville. Cincinnati makes some sense, Atlanta makes a little more sense. So I'd say it's probably an even mix.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:09:12 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on April 28, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 26, 2023, 11:45:04 AM
Nashville might work too as Tennesee has a large population but doesn't have a MLB team and it's not too close to another teams fan base to interfere there either.
I just did the calculations from the nearest major-league cities - Nashville is 248 miles from Atlanta, 272 miles from Cincinnati, and 309 miles from St. Louis. Is the current fan-base there weighted toward any one of those teams, or is it just about an even mix?
I'm not sure obviously just taking a guess but I always thought the western part of Tennessee was more geared toward the Cardinals and the eastern more geared toward the Braves but I could be wrong and don't know about the central part of the state around Nashville. Cincinnati makes some sense, Atlanta makes a little more sense. So I'd say it's probably an even mix.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/24/upshot/facebook-baseball-map.html#6,35.139,-84.404
2014 data, paywalled.
I edited the post to add the paragraph below, but it didn't get submitted until after Flint1979 replied to me with two posts.In 2014, if you split the state into fourths, the western fourth is Cardinals territory, and the eastern three fourths is Braves territory. Within Nashville and Memphis, there is a greater mix of other teams (sometimes enough to make Yankees first place likely due to transplants, albeit with a percentage in the 20s or high teens), but the Cardinals:Braves ratio doesn't change.
Quote from: 1 on April 30, 2023, 09:10:10 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:09:12 AM
Quote from: KCRoadFan on April 28, 2023, 01:38:56 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 26, 2023, 11:45:04 AM
Nashville might work too as Tennesee has a large population but doesn't have a MLB team and it's not too close to another teams fan base to interfere there either.
I just did the calculations from the nearest major-league cities - Nashville is 248 miles from Atlanta, 272 miles from Cincinnati, and 309 miles from St. Louis. Is the current fan-base there weighted toward any one of those teams, or is it just about an even mix?
I'm not sure obviously just taking a guess but I always thought the western part of Tennessee was more geared toward the Cardinals and the eastern more geared toward the Braves but I could be wrong and don't know about the central part of the state around Nashville. Cincinnati makes some sense, Atlanta makes a little more sense. So I'd say it's probably an even mix.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/24/upshot/facebook-baseball-map.html#6,35.139,-84.404
2014 data, paywalled.
I couldn't see that one since I'm not subscribed to the NY Times but I did find this one, https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2011990-facebook-map-shows-county-by-county-breakdown-of-most-liked-mlb-teams
According to the bleacher report site I just posted it looks like I was correct with western TN going with the Cardinals and the eastern going with the Braves. However the Cardinals area in TN is smaller than I thought it would be, looks like most of the state is Braves fans.
I was looking at the map that I posted a few minutes ago and was looking at Utah. It's Yankees and Red Sox. That goes up into Idaho and Montana too. It's strange looking at these states that don't have teams it's like they are mostly Yankees fans by default.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:19:33 AM
I was looking at the map that I posted a few minutes ago and was looking at Utah. It's Yankees and Red Sox. That goes up into Idaho and Montana too. It's strange looking at these states that don't have teams it's like they are mostly Yankees fans by default.
Yankees first, Red Sox second is across the entire country as a background, overlaid by fanbases. The 2014 map I showed also has this phenomenon in non-DC-area Virginia. I don't know if Washington has expanded its fanbase in the nine years between then and now.
The New York Times map shows percentages for each of the top three places, and it can be seen even within fanbases for second and third choice. Yankees also edge out Cardinals in Memphis and Braves in Nashville (in the cities only), although with only 18-22%.
ESPN writer lobbying for a Mexico City MLB team
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36312333/why-mexican-capital-faces-uphill-climb-landing-major-league-baseball-franchise
Quote from: 1 on April 30, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:19:33 AM
I was looking at the map that I posted a few minutes ago and was looking at Utah. It's Yankees and Red Sox. That goes up into Idaho and Montana too. It's strange looking at these states that don't have teams it's like they are mostly Yankees fans by default.
Yankees first, Red Sox second is across the entire country as a background, overlaid by fanbases. The 2014 map I showed also has this phenomenon in non-DC-area Virginia. I don't know if Washington has expanded its fanbase in the nine years between then and now.
The New York Times map shows percentages for each of the top three places, and it can be seen even within fanbases for second and third choice. Yankees also edge out Cardinals in Memphis and Braves in Nashville (in the cities only), although with only 18-22%.
Perhaps winning a World Series in 2019 helped them but then they kind of fell backwards after that with 3 straight last place finishes and they are in last place so far this year too. Oddly enough the Nationals scored the most runs in franchise history that year including Montreal and Bryce Harper was already in Philly by then go figure. But outside of Rendon, Turner, Soto and Kendrick I don't see what that lineup had perhaps just some timely hitting and the pitching wasn't bad I guess. But as far as a fan base I think it probably expanded a little more in the last 9 years.
Quote from: SectorZ on April 30, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
ESPN writer lobbying for a Mexico City MLB team
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36312333/why-mexican-capital-faces-uphill-climb-landing-major-league-baseball-franchise
Well there is a large population there and we already have the Blue Jays in Canada but I would think that's enough. I think Charlotte, NC is the city that deserves a MLB team more than any city on the list and it's far enough from Atlanta that it won't effect their fan base too much.
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: 1 on April 30, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:19:33 AM
I was looking at the map that I posted a few minutes ago and was looking at Utah. It's Yankees and Red Sox. That goes up into Idaho and Montana too. It's strange looking at these states that don't have teams it's like they are mostly Yankees fans by default.
Yankees first, Red Sox second is across the entire country as a background, overlaid by fanbases. The 2014 map I showed also has this phenomenon in non-DC-area Virginia. I don't know if Washington has expanded its fanbase in the nine years between then and now.
The New York Times map shows percentages for each of the top three places, and it can be seen even within fanbases for second and third choice. Yankees also edge out Cardinals in Memphis and Braves in Nashville (in the cities only), although with only 18-22%.
Perhaps winning a World Series in 2019 helped them but then they kind of fell backwards after that with 3 straight last place finishes and they are in last place so far this year too. Oddly enough the Nationals scored the most runs in franchise history that year including Montreal and Bryce Harper was already in Philly by then go figure. But outside of Rendon, Turner, Soto and Kendrick I don't see what that lineup had perhaps just some timely hitting and the pitching wasn't bad I guess. But as far as a fan base I think it probably expanded a little more in the last 9 years.
Speaking as someone who lives in non-DC-area Virginia, no, not really. I see more Yankee, Red Sox, Oriole, Brave, and even Met fans than Nats fans, and many of the Nats fans I do meet moved down here from the DC suburbs. They are the embodiment of Northern Virginia, which causes resentment among some people in the rest of the state.
Quote from: Takumi on April 30, 2023, 11:20:13 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: 1 on April 30, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:19:33 AM
I was looking at the map that I posted a few minutes ago and was looking at Utah. It's Yankees and Red Sox. That goes up into Idaho and Montana too. It's strange looking at these states that don't have teams it's like they are mostly Yankees fans by default.
Yankees first, Red Sox second is across the entire country as a background, overlaid by fanbases. The 2014 map I showed also has this phenomenon in non-DC-area Virginia. I don't know if Washington has expanded its fanbase in the nine years between then and now.
The New York Times map shows percentages for each of the top three places, and it can be seen even within fanbases for second and third choice. Yankees also edge out Cardinals in Memphis and Braves in Nashville (in the cities only), although with only 18-22%.
Perhaps winning a World Series in 2019 helped them but then they kind of fell backwards after that with 3 straight last place finishes and they are in last place so far this year too. Oddly enough the Nationals scored the most runs in franchise history that year including Montreal and Bryce Harper was already in Philly by then go figure. But outside of Rendon, Turner, Soto and Kendrick I don't see what that lineup had perhaps just some timely hitting and the pitching wasn't bad I guess. But as far as a fan base I think it probably expanded a little more in the last 9 years.
Speaking as someone who lives in non-DC-area Virginia, no, not really. I see more Yankee, Red Sox, Oriole, Brave, and even Met fans than Nats fans, and many of the Nats fans I do meet moved down here from the DC suburbs. They are the embodiment of Northern Virginia, which causes resentment among some people in the rest of the state.
There were quite a few Mets fans in Tidewater when I lived there as the Norfolk Tides were the Mets AAA team. They changed to an Orioles affiliate my last year there so I don't know if those fans changed favorite teams. It's also about when the Nats moved from Montreal so I have no idea if they have a SE VA fan base.
Quote from: skluth on April 30, 2023, 03:16:56 PM
Quote from: Takumi on April 30, 2023, 11:20:13 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:41:29 AM
Quote from: 1 on April 30, 2023, 09:21:35 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on April 30, 2023, 09:19:33 AM
I was looking at the map that I posted a few minutes ago and was looking at Utah. It's Yankees and Red Sox. That goes up into Idaho and Montana too. It's strange looking at these states that don't have teams it's like they are mostly Yankees fans by default.
Yankees first, Red Sox second is across the entire country as a background, overlaid by fanbases. The 2014 map I showed also has this phenomenon in non-DC-area Virginia. I don't know if Washington has expanded its fanbase in the nine years between then and now.
The New York Times map shows percentages for each of the top three places, and it can be seen even within fanbases for second and third choice. Yankees also edge out Cardinals in Memphis and Braves in Nashville (in the cities only), although with only 18-22%.
Perhaps winning a World Series in 2019 helped them but then they kind of fell backwards after that with 3 straight last place finishes and they are in last place so far this year too. Oddly enough the Nationals scored the most runs in franchise history that year including Montreal and Bryce Harper was already in Philly by then go figure. But outside of Rendon, Turner, Soto and Kendrick I don't see what that lineup had perhaps just some timely hitting and the pitching wasn't bad I guess. But as far as a fan base I think it probably expanded a little more in the last 9 years.
Speaking as someone who lives in non-DC-area Virginia, no, not really. I see more Yankee, Red Sox, Oriole, Brave, and even Met fans than Nats fans, and many of the Nats fans I do meet moved down here from the DC suburbs. They are the embodiment of Northern Virginia, which causes resentment among some people in the rest of the state.
There were quite a few Mets fans in Tidewater when I lived there as the Norfolk Tides were the Mets AAA team. They changed to an Orioles affiliate my last year there so I don't know if those fans changed favorite teams. It's also about when the Nats moved from Montreal so I have no idea if they have a SE VA fan base.
At one point they were at least trying to make the Orioles connection stronger. Somewhere I’ve got a Tides cap that has the particular black & orange hues of the Orioles uniform. A few years ago the Tides radically changed their logo and uniforms.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/NorfolkTides16.png)
However, the orange is still prominently featured in the trim, and the team has frequently sells shirseys (shirts based on replica jerseys) of prominent Oriole stars that were formerly Tides, such as Adley Rutschman and Grayson Rodriguez, but they still have a throwback to the Mets era with the old logo and number of former Mets great David Wright, who’s from Chesapeake.
Quote from: SectorZ on April 30, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
ESPN writer lobbying for a Mexico City MLB team
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36312333/why-mexican-capital-faces-uphill-climb-landing-major-league-baseball-franchise
The way things are going with the talent pool, Santo Domingo and Caracas should be in the mix. :P
Quote from: SectorZ on April 30, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
ESPN writer lobbying for a Mexico City MLB team
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36312333/why-mexican-capital-faces-uphill-climb-landing-major-league-baseball-franchise
Could they by then also be interested in Guadalajara and Monterrey?
Mike
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 01, 2023, 04:20:12 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on April 30, 2023, 09:40:17 AM
ESPN writer lobbying for a Mexico City MLB team
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/36312333/why-mexican-capital-faces-uphill-climb-landing-major-league-baseball-franchise
The way things are going with the talent pool, Santo Domingo and Caracas should be in the mix. :P
Joking aside, Caracas obviously is a non-starter in the current political environment. San Juan would be another that would make sense for a team with the Rays and Expos flirting with it as temporary solutions to their stadium issues in the last 20 years.
I would like to see a new NBA team here in KC - after all, we do already have a suitable arena downtown.
Just think - if the arena had been built a couple decades before it actually was, perhaps the Kings (who left in 1985) might still be here today.
Quote from: KCRoadFan on May 02, 2023, 04:30:34 PM
I would like to see a new NBA team here in KC - after all, we do already have a suitable arena downtown.
Just think - if the arena had been built a couple decades before it actually was, perhaps the Kings (who left in 1985) might still be here today.
Kansas City would be a great town to add back to the league, but as it stands right now, Seattle and Las Vegas are the frontrunners for expansion. In any scenario, someone from the West will have to move to the East (Grizzlies or Pelicans?).
Seattle's rebuilt arena looks much better than it ever did; a Sonics comeback is long overdue, as we've come up on 15 years since the previous team's idiot owner carpetbagged them to Oklahoma City.
I can't see Vegas supporting both an NHL team and an NBA team. Everyone seems to think just because they have gamlbing and shows there that they should for some reason be a four sport city. And let's keep in mind that hardly anyone there is actually native to Las Vegas meaning that these people most likely already have a favorite team and depending on fans of the visiting team isn't the best thing to do. They already have the Raiders, Golden Knights and the A's most likely moving there, it would be among the smallest markets for a four sport city and outside of Vegas which already has things to do Nevada is nothing.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2023, 10:33:22 AM
I can't see Vegas supporting both an NHL team and an NBA team. Everyone seems to think just because they have gamlbing and shows there that they should for some reason be a four sport city.
The Las Vegas metropolitan area is the same size as that of other cities that can support multiple sports teams, such as Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Indianapolis.
Vegas adding pro sports is a somewhat different model than other markets. While the metro is large enough to support local fan bases, another intention is to expand their offerings for visitors to appeal to broader audiences - in other words, the Raiders, Knights, and A's are intended to be more options for visitors in the same vein of (formerly) Siegfried and Roy, or Penn & Teller, or the various residential musical/theatrical options. Especially for something like the NFL it works well for visiting fans to spend a weekend in Vegas to see their favorite team when they go there to play the Raiders.
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2023, 06:16:34 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2023, 10:33:22 AM
I can't see Vegas supporting both an NHL team and an NBA team. Everyone seems to think just because they have gamlbing and shows there that they should for some reason be a four sport city.
The Las Vegas metropolitan area is the same size as that of other cities that can support multiple sports teams, such as Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Indianapolis.
I'm talking about cities with an NBA and NHL team. The NFL isn't a difficult sell since there aren't as many home games compared to the other three sports. You're only playing once a week compared to every night just about with an MLB team and 3-5 nights a week with an NBA and NHL team. And the NHL and NBA seasons almost completely overlap too so you have to have a pretty solid fan base in both sports.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2023, 09:31:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 03, 2023, 06:16:34 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 03, 2023, 10:33:22 AM
I can't see Vegas supporting both an NHL team and an NBA team. Everyone seems to think just because they have gamlbing and shows there that they should for some reason be a four sport city.
The Las Vegas metropolitan area is the same size as that of other cities that can support multiple sports teams, such as Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Indianapolis.
I'm talking about cities with an NBA and NHL team. The NFL isn't a difficult sell since there aren't as many home games compared to the other three sports. You're only playing once a week compared to every night just about with an MLB team and 3-5 nights a week with an NBA and NHL team. And the NHL and NBA seasons almost completely overlap too so you have to have a pretty solid fan base in both sports.
The NBA is probably good with their summer hoops league in Vegas. Regarding the NFL, NHL, and MLB all being in Vegas, I'm most worried about MLB. It gets scorching hot in summer but I guess if there's a team in Phoenix then Vegas can be done. People forget that there's a huge number of flights from all over the Southwest to Vegas so the Bay Area, So Cal, and Arizona teams' fans can all get to games in Vegas pretty easily even if it's just one night. I agree supporting both an NBA and NHL team is problematic but Vegas is so different from anywhere else that it could work.
A poll says the public is split on public funding for a new Las Vegas A's stadium:
https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/poll-plurality-of-nevadans-support-public-funding-for-as-stadium
If for some crazy reason the Las Vegas deal falls flat on its face, what would the A's have for Plan B? AFAIK, they've been putting their eggs in the basket that is Sin City, and there is no guarantee that the move will actually occur. Oakland needs to revive the Howard Terminal project just in case it does not. At least the Rays have a more solid plan for a new ballpark in St. Petersburg.
Quote from: Henry on May 05, 2023, 10:17:22 PMAt least the Rays have a more solid plan for a new ballpark in St. Petersburg.
Or maybe not, because Orlando is now trying to lure them away, thanks to a new proposal by the same guy who brought the NBA's Magic there (https://ballparkdigest.com/2023/05/03/williams-revives-plan-for-new-orlando-mlb-ballpark-team/). And he plans to rebrand them as the Dreamers, as a kicker.
Quote from: Henry on May 08, 2023, 09:46:32 PM
And he plans to rebrand them as the Dreamers, as a kicker.
That's a youth soccer team name, not an MLB team name.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on May 09, 2023, 09:55:39 AM
Quote from: Henry on May 08, 2023, 09:46:32 PM
And he plans to rebrand them as the Dreamers, as a kicker.
That's a youth soccer team name, not an MLB team name.
or a WNBA team, Atlanta Dream