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Title: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on July 26, 2020, 09:56:17 AM
The north split in downtown Indy is going to finally be reconstructed. Project starts this fall and will last 2 years. Currently scheduled to be done by Turkey Day 2022. In order to build this, through traffic for both interstates will be closed for the whole 2 years. Access to the local streets will be maintained the whole time though. More details on the MOT: https://northsplit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Construction-Information.pdf

The preferred alternative is pretty great, the new interchange is much smaller, as the ghost ramps to I-165 will be gone. Other things include flipping 65 and 70 on the NB approach. 65 will leave from the right and 70 will leave from the left to eliminate the weave from the south split. Final design will remove access to certain movements though. 2 that come to mind are 70 wb can't get to penn anymore and delware st cant get to 65 sb anymore. interesting fact is that daily backup on 65 sb from 21st st to the north split is caused by the weaving from this movement! Bridges will be longer over the local streets, with wider sidewalks and a forest will be planted around the interchange. Monon trail will be widened from 10 to 14 feet, and a new trail will be built on the north side of the interchange. A look at the preferred alternative: https://northsplit.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Preferred-Alternative.pdf
This is a design build interchange. This interchange is the second busiest, and most dangerous interchange in the state. I wonder what the busiest is?
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: ilpt4u on July 26, 2020, 11:44:08 AM
I-65 and I-80/94 would be my guess for busiest in the Hoosier state
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: jhuntin1 on July 26, 2020, 11:49:47 AM
^ My guess as well.

It will be interesting to see what this does to traffic on I-465. If anything, it's really going to show that INDOT needs to add lanes to the south side sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: Revive 755 on July 26, 2020, 12:31:16 PM
Is I-465 going to be free of construction for the next two years while this project is going on?
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: tdindy88 on July 26, 2020, 02:11:01 PM
Nope. I-465 will be undergoing construction on the south side over the next few years in relation to the I-69 extension coming up from the south. 465 from 65 west to 70 will be adding a lane and several overpasses are going to be rebuilt. The only good thing might be to keep the interstate at six lanes even with construction in process, a possibility.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: ilpt4u on July 26, 2020, 02:20:27 PM
Will West St/Missouri St be signed as an official Downtown Detour? Obviously, outside 465, INDOT will direct Thru Traffic to use the Beltway
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on July 26, 2020, 02:52:34 PM
Will West St/Missouri St be signed as an official Downtown Detour? Obviously, outside 465, INDOT will direct Thru Traffic to use the Beltway

Maybe, that exit will be widened this fall to accommodate more traffic. 465 On the south side is going to be widened to 8 lanes, i think this will happen after north split, in 2024. The next big project after the north split will be 465/69 clear path on the NE side, they can't do that until after the north split.  Within the next ten years all the bottlenecks will be gone in the metro area. 465 on the south side, north split, 69/465 NE side, 465 from 86th to us 31 (this will be last) and SR 37 in fishers and noblesville and 65 in whitestown. I have also heard rumors about widening 65 from the south split to 465. Eventually the south split will be reconstructed completely as well but this won't be any time soon. I also wouldn't be surprised if 65 from 38th to the north split gets reconstructed in the coming years too.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: Revive 755 on July 26, 2020, 09:50:02 PM
465 from 65 west to 70 will be adding a lane and several overpasses are going to be rebuilt.

I-65 at Exit 20 or I-65 at Exit 53?  I see a website for a project from I-65 Exit 53 to I-70 west, (https://www.in.gov/indot/3961.htm) but not one that would redo the west side stretch again.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on July 26, 2020, 10:04:40 PM
465 from 65 west to 70 will be adding a lane and several overpasses are going to be rebuilt.

I-65 at Exit 20 or I-65 at Exit 53?  I see a website for a project from I-65 Exit 53 to I-70 west, (https://www.in.gov/indot/3961.htm) but not one that would redo the west side stretch again.

53, the portion from exit 9 to 53. that part of 465 is the oldest.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on August 12, 2020, 09:05:12 AM
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/transportation/2020/08/12/indianapolis-traffic-north-split-reconstruction-change-downtown/5556727002/

has a video of the new configuration. access to several ramps will be permanently changed.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: ibthebigd on August 13, 2020, 07:47:32 PM

Could something like this work on the 65/70 thru Downtown?




https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/midtown-interstate-deck-supporters-seek-public-input/JUDOGF5ZKREMDJPVI7ZJDAM25U/?outputType=amp

SM-G950U

Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: skluth on August 19, 2020, 07:38:43 PM

Could something like this work on the 65/70 thru Downtown?

https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-news/midtown-interstate-deck-supporters-seek-public-input/JUDOGF5ZKREMDJPVI7ZJDAM25U/?outputType=amp

SM-G950U

Interesting idea, but I see some obstacles.

First is cost. Prices for land in and around downtown Indy aren't nearly as high as Atlanta or Boston (mentioned in the linked article). Other places where highways have been built underground include Dallas (Klyde Warren Park), DC (I-395 under the Capitol grounds), and Minneapolis (between Loring Park and the Walker). All would have been impossible to build above ground or were moved underground for political reasons. A more recent example in St Louis (connecting Luther Ely Smith Park to the Arch grounds) was to facilitate pedestrian access between downtown and the Arch, much needed due to the many events on the Arch grounds (especially the Fair St Louis/ VP Fair every July 4th) and which was mostly paid for by fundraising efforts rather than tax dollars/ highway funds for a park over a freeway that was already in a trench through downtown.

The second is practicality. There looks to be a railroad which may or may not follow Pogue's Run (https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/pogues-run) at Ohio Street. A cut-and-cover tunnel would have to account for both Pogue's Run and the railroad. The creek means the water table is probably close to the surface the tunnels need to be well-sealed and monitored. It would be below ground with no easy way to drain, so you'd need pumps for those Midwestern summer cloudbursts as any heavy rains could temporarily close the tunnel. The other railroads near Maryland are elevated so are not an issue. All this would drive up the cost even more, though hopefully not close to Big Dig (https://www.city-journal.org/html/lessons-boston%E2%80%99s-big-dig-13049.html) costs on a per mile basis.

There may be other reasons to not bury the highway, but this is just off the top of my head. The solution here wouldn't be a simple tunnel through a hill like Minneapolis or an already trenched highway like St Louis. The flat land in downtown Indy (I've visited and walked around the area. It's glacial lakebed flat.) is probably why the freeways around its downtown are elevated in the first place. My quick perusal of the area showed not a single trenched freeway anywhere around Indianapolis. I have seen highway tunnels in really flat areas (often around airports like South Howell in Milwaukee or Sepulveda at LAX) but those were driven by other factors.  Putting green space over a highway is great when it can be done (and should be done to complete the US 71 gap in Kansas City), but I don't see it as a realistic solution.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: tdindy88 on August 19, 2020, 09:05:21 PM
The stretch of I-65/I-70 from Virginia Avenue to just north of Fletcher Avenue theoretically could be capped since it is already below street level and I'm sure there's a few in Fletcher Place/Fountain Square that might like that. But north of there you run into the Pogue's Run/railroad issue and practicality goes out the window.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on November 17, 2020, 08:08:34 PM
the project starts 11/30/20

https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/INDOT/bulletins/2ab40ee

michigan st ramp to close for a year! ohio st will stay open until michigan is finished, then ohio will close for a year. fletcher ramp will be closed for 2 yrs. pine st will stay open the whole time.

65/70 will close for 2 years starting may 2021
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on February 08, 2021, 03:41:38 PM
Major construction has begun with the Michigan St. ramp closed. the bridge has been demoed and it looks like new piles are being driven for a new bridge. Meanwhile traffic is shifted on 65 around Central Ave. for what appears to be for the same thing. Whole interchange is set to close this spring!
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on March 04, 2021, 08:50:13 PM
traffic has been shifted on 70 west coming into the split.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on April 29, 2021, 03:58:39 PM
North Split will close in about 2 weeks for 1.5 yrs. As a result several exits on 465 will close for the same length to help traffic flow better. Ramp meters will also be added on some other exits too.
Exits to close include:

US 36/SR 67 ramp to SB 465

East St. to EB 465

Ramp Meters on:

Sam Jones Parkway, southbound
Kentucky Avenue, eastbound
Mann Road, eastbound
East Street, northbound/westbound
Shadeland Avenue, southbound

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/local/transportation/2021/04/29/indianapolis-traffic-465-ramps-close-receive-traffic-signals/4876188001/
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on April 29, 2021, 08:20:55 PM
It will be an interesting 1.5 years here in Indy with this project. We've had a few short closures over the past few summers but nothing this intense.

They've been putting up the detour signs around the area (covered up until its go time). I've never thought INDOT did a very good job with posting detours with the past closures so we shall see what happens this go around. The official 65 detour is not going to be the same detour that Google maps would take you on so I don't know how well that will work out.

I read INDOT's Mobility Plan and they are supposed to improve the 65/70 Washington St exit to help traffic since they will force all highway traffic to exit here but they have not touched it at all yet.

https://northsplit.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/North-Split-Mobility-Management-Plan.pdf  (Page 24 and 25).
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: CtrlAltDel on April 29, 2021, 08:35:06 PM
The official 65 detour is not going to be the same detour that Google maps would take you on so I don't know how well that will work out.

An interesting choice:

(https://i.imgur.com/4fakPgs.png)

The reason given is to avoid overloading I-465 on the south side of the city. Still, it's interesting that I-70 eastbound traffic will be instructed to get off I-70, so that I-65 southbound traffic can get on.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: tdindy88 on April 29, 2021, 09:15:16 PM
Yeah, that's not happening. There's no way most people aren't just going to stick to I-465 around the south side to get back to I-65. I have to drive from Rockville Road to I-65 every day and that interstate is already crowded but this convoluted detour isn't going to fix anything. Alternatively if traffic on 465 becomes so bad I might end up taking that I-70 to I-65 route to get home. Of course I either get to use the loop ramp from I-465 south to I-70 east or that lovely triple left turn at the stoplight onto Sam Jones Expressway (to bring up a recent discussion on another thread.)
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on April 29, 2021, 09:38:41 PM
I have to drive from Rockville Road to I-65 every day and that interstate is already crowded but this convoluted detour isn't going to fix anything.

You are about to have a fun 4 years. There really isn't any good way to cross the White River south of Indy except 465.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: Revive 755 on April 29, 2021, 10:43:57 PM
So the official detour for I-70 goes through the work zone for the future I-69 interchange near IN 37?  Great planning.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on April 29, 2021, 11:13:45 PM
So the official detour for I-70 goes through the work zone for the future I-69 interchange near IN 37?  Great planning.

The major work on 465 for the 69 project won't start until the North Split project is done.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: I-55 on April 30, 2021, 12:25:24 AM
Yeah, that's not happening. There's no way most people aren't just going to stick to I-465 around the south side to get back to I-65. I have to drive from Rockville Road to I-65 every day and that interstate is already crowded but this convoluted detour isn't going to fix anything. Alternatively if traffic on 465 becomes so bad I might end up taking that I-70 to I-65 route to get home. Of course I either get to use the loop ramp from I-465 south to I-70 east or that lovely triple left turn at the stoplight onto Sam Jones Expressway (to bring up a recent discussion on another thread.)

Or if they close the I-65N to I-465/74 W movement the detour might actually be followed (at least more than it would if that exit remains open).
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: nwi_navigator_1181 on April 30, 2021, 12:35:10 AM
Iím curious to see how far the advisories for this project will reach. I wouldnít be surprised if we had warning signage for this either via the overhead VMS signage scattered throughout Northwest Indiana, or if they put up temporary orange signs similar to what they did during the massive Borman reconstruction of 2004-12.

Given the size and scope of this project, and the impact it will have on the main drags of Indianapolis (as well as the surrounding surface streets), this is going to be a very big deal. Itís sorely needed, but stillÖ
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: I-55 on April 30, 2021, 01:31:43 AM
Iím curious to see how far the advisories for this project will reach. I wouldnít be surprised if we had warning signage for this either via the overhead VMS signage scattered throughout Northwest Indiana, or if they put up temporary orange signs similar to what they did during the massive Borman reconstruction of 2004-12.

Given the size and scope of this project, and the impact it will have on the main drags of Indianapolis (as well as the surrounding surface streets), this is going to be a very big deal. Itís sorely needed, but stillÖ

I remember when they redid I-465 exit 37 they had them on I-69 as far out as Anderson. I would imagine they'll do something similar for this.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on April 30, 2021, 10:17:54 AM
Iím curious to see how far the advisories for this project will reach. I wouldnít be surprised if we had warning signage for this either via the overhead VMS signage scattered throughout Northwest Indiana, or if they put up temporary orange signs similar to what they did during the massive Borman reconstruction of 2004-12.

Given the size and scope of this project, and the impact it will have on the main drags of Indianapolis (as well as the surrounding surface streets), this is going to be a very big deal. Itís sorely needed, but stillÖ

Probably as far away as they can. I remember in the past the VMS (INDOT calls them DMS) in Indy were alerting for highway closures in Louisville. You can actually see what every overhead electronic sign is currently displaying by looking at INDOT's traffic wise map. http://pws.trafficwise.org/
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on April 30, 2021, 11:01:29 AM
a secret detour is west st.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: jhuntin1 on April 30, 2021, 03:51:42 PM
I know I-465 on the south side is going to get some upgrades as part of the I-69 project, but I'm going to bang the drum again that INDOT should have widened the southern part of the loop a long time ago, or at least once Accelerate 465 on the west side was done. The truck traffic alone should justify an extra set of lanes between the two I-70 interchanges.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: I-55 on April 30, 2021, 08:27:45 PM
I know I-465 on the south side is going to get some upgrades as part of the I-69 project, but I'm going to bang the drum again that INDOT should have widened the southern part of the loop a long time ago, or at least once Accelerate 465 on the west side was done. The truck traffic alone should justify an extra set of lanes between the two I-70 interchanges.

The whole thing should be 8 mainline lanes, except at Exit 25 where it should be at least 3 through the interchange, 4 surrounding.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: tdindy88 on May 01, 2021, 09:54:09 AM
I was taking a look again at the upcoming ramp meters and closures along I-465 and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the closure of the ramp from Pendleton Pike (US 36/SR 67) onto I-465 south. What the hell does that exit have to do with any of the I-65 or I-70 detours through the city? I would wager that a good deal of that traffic is just taking I-465 south to I-70 to take it west into the city. And now they want all that traffic to head down to Shadeland to reach I-70. I bet some businesses along that way will be happy with the extra traffic. I must be missing something with the logic of closing that ramp.

At least they got rid of the dumb idea to close the ramp from I-465 onto Kentucky Avenue, you know, the detour for SR 37 due to all the I-69 construction down to Martinsville. Imagining wanting to go to Bloomington from the northwest side of Indy and having to take I-70 out to the airport just to take Ameriplex Parkway down to SR 67 to get to SR 39 and I-69.

The ramp closure from East Street to I-465 east at least makes more sense in reducing some of the congestion. But U-Turning at Harding Street to get back onto I-465 with all the semi trucks in that area. Yeah that will go well. Better off taking Hanna or Thompson Road and reaching the interstate via Keystone at I-65 or Emerson at I-465.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: I-55 on May 01, 2021, 06:20:11 PM
I was taking a look again at the upcoming ramp meters and closures along I-465 and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the closure of the ramp from Pendleton Pike (US 36/SR 67) onto I-465 south. What the hell does that exit have to do with any of the I-65 or I-70 detours through the city? I would wager that a good deal of that traffic is just taking I-465 south to I-70 to take it west into the city. And now they want all that traffic to head down to Shadeland to reach I-70. I bet some businesses along that way will be happy with the extra traffic. I must be missing something with the logic of closing that ramp.

At least they got rid of the dumb idea to close the ramp from I-465 onto Kentucky Avenue, you know, the detour for SR 37 due to all the I-69 construction down to Martinsville. Imagining wanting to go to Bloomington from the northwest side of Indy and having to take I-70 out to the airport just to take Ameriplex Parkway down to SR 67 to get to SR 39 and I-69.

The ramp closure from East Street to I-465 east at least makes more sense in reducing some of the congestion. But U-Turning at Harding Street to get back onto I-465 with all the semi trucks in that area. Yeah that will go well. Better off taking Hanna or Thompson Road and reaching the interstate via Keystone at I-65 or Emerson at I-465.

My best guess is that INDOT is anticipating a sizable increase in traffic volume on 465 during the closure so they want to take as much local traffic off as possible. Since the movement for Pendleton to 70 is a one exit gap, using Shadeland as a short detour makes sense.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 01, 2021, 07:28:39 PM
I was taking a look again at the upcoming ramp meters and closures along I-465 and I'm still trying to wrap my head around the closure of the ramp from Pendleton Pike (US 36/SR 67) onto I-465 south. What the hell does that exit have to do with any of the I-65 or I-70 detours through the city? I would wager that a good deal of that traffic is just taking I-465 south to I-70 to take it west into the city. And now they want all that traffic to head down to Shadeland to reach I-70. I bet some businesses along that way will be happy with the extra traffic. I must be missing something with the logic of closing that ramp.

At least they got rid of the dumb idea to close the ramp from I-465 onto Kentucky Avenue, you know, the detour for SR 37 due to all the I-69 construction down to Martinsville. Imagining wanting to go to Bloomington from the northwest side of Indy and having to take I-70 out to the airport just to take Ameriplex Parkway down to SR 67 to get to SR 39 and I-69.

The ramp closure from East Street to I-465 east at least makes more sense in reducing some of the congestion. But U-Turning at Harding Street to get back onto I-465 with all the semi trucks in that area. Yeah that will go well. Better off taking Hanna or Thompson Road and reaching the interstate via Keystone at I-65 or Emerson at I-465.

i take 465 on the east side every day to work, and the US 36/SR 67 ramp does slow down mainline a bit, well the right 2 lanes. not appreciably, but it can be annoying.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 01, 2021, 07:29:44 PM
I know I-465 on the south side is going to get some upgrades as part of the I-69 project, but I'm going to bang the drum again that INDOT should have widened the southern part of the loop a long time ago, or at least once Accelerate 465 on the west side was done. The truck traffic alone should justify an extra set of lanes between the two I-70 interchanges.

The whole thing should be 8 mainline lanes, except at Exit 25 where it should be at least 3 through the interchange, 4 surrounding.

i agree, but at least it will be that wide from 70 on the west side to 65 on the south side.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on May 04, 2021, 02:14:38 PM
Portable message board signs indicate they will be closing the North Split on or after May 14th.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on May 10, 2021, 01:22:44 PM
The VMS signs around the city are now warning people of the upcoming closure.

INDOT is working on the Washington St exit now, which is the exit anyone who ignores the closed highway signs will be forced to take. And once again, INDOT is doing things that don't make sense.

Here is a street view of the Washington St exit ramp. https://goo.gl/maps/p5qp75aa2Bi9PCMs9 (https://goo.gl/maps/p5qp75aa2Bi9PCMs9)

It might be hard to see, but the street straight ahead, Pine St, is closed. That street view is from July 2019...and its still closed today. The local utility company has had it closed for awhile now for one of their major tunnel boring projects. Its not a big deal though, as Pine St isn't really used for much at all.

You can see how the exit is configured from the street view. There isn't a dedicated straight lane, so the Pine St closure isn't something that requires any special signage or lane closures on the exit ramp. Yet, INDOT is going to reconfigure the exit ramp like this https://imgur.com/n1lNY9G (https://imgur.com/n1lNY9G). They are going to make a dedicated straight lane....to a road....that is closed.

The cherry on top is that they have updated the overheard lane signs already, but have not remarked the lanes. So the overheard turn signs show 6 lanes, but the pavement markings show 5. I'm sure they will fix that before the closure but they have essentially made a lane that they will immediately have to close for no benefit at all.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: Great Lakes Roads on May 15, 2021, 01:02:52 AM
It has begun!!  :clap:
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on May 15, 2021, 11:09:23 AM
It is currently a mad house downtown. Despite Google maps showing the highway as closed, its directions are still telling people to take 65 through town. I just tried a test route on Google maps and it still suggests taking the closed interstate.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: jhuntin1 on May 15, 2021, 03:10:10 PM
To add to the fun, INDOT has one lane of the ramp from I-465 west to I-65 south on the south side down to one lane for some unknown reason. Even at noon on Saturday (today), that interchange was a mess.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on May 15, 2021, 03:34:15 PM
One thing INDOT is going to have to get right are these Travel Time signs. This is the live look at one on the east side of Indy, heading west (per their traffic wise map).

https://imgur.com/aMfiJdi

It currently says its only a 22 minute drive through town if you stay on 70 but ITS CLOSED! They need to put an X on that sign or something.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 15, 2021, 06:18:52 PM
Can anyone tell me what's going on the north west side on 65 north? That areas been red all day and it says construction. What the heck are they doing over there?

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Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: cjw2001 on May 15, 2021, 09:27:54 PM
It is currently a mad house downtown. Despite Google maps showing the highway as closed, its directions are still telling people to take 65 through town. I just tried a test route on Google maps and it still suggests taking the closed interstate.
Likely just a database sync issue that corrected itself given a short amount of time - when I did a test route from I65 on the north side to the south side it routes correctly via 465.  Note that the northbound side doesn't close until Sunday.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 16, 2021, 03:34:13 PM
Indot in it's infinite wisdom has closed 65 north downtown while also sending through traffic into another construction zone. They have 65 north down to 1 lane at 465 to 71st st. To do some random shit. Hopefully this is just a weekend thing and will be over tonight because this is a very dumb thing to do

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Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 16, 2021, 09:24:27 PM
Looks like it's a weekend thing thank goodness! I don't see the backup anymore

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Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: The Ghostbuster on May 17, 2021, 12:54:14 PM
Are there any plans to reconstruct the southern junction of Interstate 65/70? I'd like to see the left-hand ramps moved to the right-hand side.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 17, 2021, 12:57:41 PM
Are there any plans to reconstruct the southern junction of Interstate 65/70? I'd like to see the left-hand ramps moved to the right-hand side.

it will happen a very very long time from now, I remember asking INDOT about this and all they would tell me is that it will happen eventually.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: tdindy88 on May 17, 2021, 07:36:08 PM
They just rebuilt the bridges and ramps of that interchange a few years ago. The South Split for all intents and purposes is basically fairly new as it is. Besides, if they redo the configuration of the ramps now it would offset what they're trying to achieve with this North Split stuff now.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 20, 2021, 04:24:18 PM
and as predicted mass chaos on the south side every evening. 465 is a total mess!  :-o
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: jhuntin1 on May 20, 2021, 05:32:36 PM
Every morning, too.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: tdindy88 on May 20, 2021, 08:44:30 PM
As predicted I've had to take 70 and 65 through town every morning coming home from work from Rockville Road to the Greenwood area. The blue travel time sign at Sam Jones Expressway said the other day it was a 35 minute drive from I-70 to I-65. No thank you At least I can take 465 in the evenings. I thought that the official I-65 detour using 65 and 70 was kind of dumb but I'll take that back. It's far from the worst idea INDOT's ever had. There are times of the day when that routing is very tempting.

I know the North Split does need to be done because of the old bridges and pavement and waiting any longer is probably not an option. But I kind of wonder if we should have done all the I-465 widening and I-69 interchange on the south side stuff first to make that highway a little better prepared for this. 18 MONTHS of this stuff is going to get old very fast. It might as well be an eternity.
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 20, 2021, 09:11:01 PM
As predicted I've had to take 70 and 65 through town every morning coming home from work from Rockville Road to the Greenwood area. The blue travel time sign at Sam Jones Expressway said the other day it was a 35 minute drive from I-70 to I-65. No thank you At least I can take 465 in the evenings. I thought that the official I-65 detour using 65 and 70 was kind of dumb but I'll take that back. It's far from the worst idea INDOT's ever had. There are times of the day when that routing is very tempting.

I know the North Split does need to be done because of the old bridges and pavement and waiting any longer is probably not an option. But I kind of wonder if we should have done all the I-465 widening and I-69 interchange on the south side stuff first to make that highway a little better prepared for this. 18 MONTHS of this stuff is going to get old very fast. It might as well be an eternity.
I'm surprised people haven't realized you can do all the same movements using west st instead of the north split. It's actually very easy to do now with through traffic gone. Also north split had to happen now. Some of the bridges would not have lasted another year. That road was in VERY BAD shape.

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Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 20, 2021, 09:46:03 PM
This also teaches the freeway teardown people of what would happen if their poor ideas came to fruition.

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Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: ysuindy on May 20, 2021, 10:49:30 PM
Iíve been back in the office for five weeks now. I park on Maryland across from the Convention Center and my normal route for years from Fishers has been to take 70 around to Missouri and come up past the stadiums to Maryland. This week Iíve taken 70 to 65 to the Meridian exit over to Capitol and down to enter my garage off Capitol. It has actually been quicker because there is minimal traffic on Capitol with most downtown employees (including state employees) not yet back in the office

Tonight instead of heading up Illinois to head for home I stayed on Maryland to go get on 70 from the Pine Street ramp. Total cluster over there. Everything was jammed from the people staying on 70 and taking the collector distributor to Ohio Street. Park Avenue was filled with people trying to get down to Washington to hop back on 70.

I could not believe how many semis I saw in that traffic. They could not all have been making downtown deliveries at 6 pm.

I wonder what my commute will be like once the downtown workers return but for now it hasnít been bad. But Iím not getting anywhere near the east side of downtown for a long time
Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: FixThe74Sign on May 20, 2021, 11:26:53 PM
My office is in the Ohio - East - Washington circle of death. The amount of NOT LOCAL semi traffic roaming around downtown is insane right now.

Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: silverback1065 on May 20, 2021, 11:26:55 PM
Iíve been back in the office for five weeks now. I park on Maryland across from the Convention Center and my normal route for years from Fishers has been to take 70 around to Missouri and come up past the stadiums to Maryland. This week Iíve taken 70 to 65 to the Meridian exit over to Capitol and down to enter my garage off Capitol. It has actually been quicker because there is minimal traffic on Capitol with most downtown employees (including state employees) not yet back in the office

Tonight instead of heading up Illinois to head for home I stayed on Maryland to go get on 70 from the Pine Street ramp. Total cluster over there. Everything was jammed from the people staying on 70 and taking the collector distributor to Ohio Street. Park Avenue was filled with people trying to get down to Washington to hop back on 70.

I could not believe how many semis I saw in that traffic. They could not all have been making downtown deliveries at 6 pm.

I wonder what my commute will be like once the downtown workers return but for now it hasnít been bad. But Iím not getting anywhere near the east side of downtown for a long time
Ohio St closes next month then all that traffic will move up to Michigan st. Anyone remember how hyper fix affected traffic?

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Title: Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
Post by: cabiness42 on June 13, 2021, 04:12:59 PM
Drove through Indy on both Sunday and Saturday of this past week to drop off/pick up our dog at my in-laws while on vacation. Normally we would take 65 straight through the city to Southport Rd. Of course we had to use 465 around the west and south sides, and both times traffic was pretty heavy for a weekend.