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Title: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: mgk920 on October 25, 2011, 08:20:04 PM
Very interesting! Starting in 2013, the USA will have two races on F1's annual calendar (Austin, TX starting next year), and on a temporary street course with an incredible view of the Manhattan skyline!

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/formula1/story/2011-10-24/formula-one-comes-to-new-jersey/50897052/1

 :clap:

Also, can someone in the northeast with a camera car take a lap on the published course and post it?  It should all be open and drivable in the clockwise race direction.

Mike
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: Takumi on October 25, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
I'm really excited about both of these, probably moreso the NJ race than Austin due to the former being within driving distance for me. I think both of the circuits were well-thought-out, from looking at the layouts for them.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: english si on October 26, 2011, 05:04:20 AM
not another street race!

Is the area it goes through residential or commercial? And if residential, rich or poor? With Monaco, most people who live there go on holiday (and rent out their houses/apartments for the week) as there's all the noise and disruption - but they are rich, and renting their posh apartments to rich people more than pays for their holiday. With Valencia, it's just docklands. And with Singapore it's just the commercial area.

I'm guessing Austin will be yet another new track - they all tend to be designed by the same guy, so you end up with a lot of races that are almost the same.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: formulanone on October 26, 2011, 08:39:44 AM
(OOOH! An F1 thread!)

Bernie Ecclestone has wanted a New York Grand Prix very badly, to the point he held a spot for them during the 1983 Grand Prix season, which never made it very far. Don't forget that year also had GP races in Detroit and Long Beach, so he's always had a soft spot for the American market, seeing it has a vast untapped market for future F1 fans ...statistically, yes; realistically, no. It's arguably become the Number 2 form of motorsport in the nation, which is in better shape than IndyCar and ALMS — which have a very small niche following — but still a long way back from the 800-pound gorilla called Sprint Cup. New York makes a big statement, that almost goes without saying...but I get the idea that Bernie wants to pull off the event to show off to the rest of the world.

This is what he likes about the circuit location:

(http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/188029.jpg)

From what I've heard of the proposals, it's in a commercial district. Here's one of the plans by Tilke...(link to larger image (http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5839/njformula1trackjpgeb7ce.jpg))

(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/5839/njformula1trackjpgeb7ce.jpg)

Quote from: mgk920
Also, can someone in the northeast with a camera car take a lap on the published course and post it?  It should all be open and drivable in the clockwise race direction.
And a drive-around:


Personally, I'm more geeked about the Austin circuit, but the distance to travel + having two kids, means I'd like them to work out all the logistical bugs during the 2012 event, and I'll gladly visit it in 2013. Getting around by foot around the access paths of a street circuit is a totally different restriction which is much more of a pain in the head (for safety reasons) if not done properly. Then again, times may have changed since I saw the one Grand Prix I've been to in Spain, whereby you were free to walk about the circuit perimeter but could only sit where you held appropriate tickets.

not another street race!

Bridgehampton was a pretty awesome road course back in the day, having been a proper road course that shamed Watkins Glen for a while, but it's become a golf course since 1998.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: mgk920 on October 26, 2011, 11:21:02 AM
not another street race!

Is the area it goes through residential or commercial? And if residential, rich or poor? With Monaco, most people who live there go on holiday (and rent out their houses/apartments for the week) as there's all the noise and disruption - but they are rich, and renting their posh apartments to rich people more than pays for their holiday. With Valencia, it's just docklands. And with Singapore it's just the commercial area.

I'm guessing Austin will be yet another new track - they all tend to be designed by the same guy, so you end up with a lot of races that are almost the same.

Yep. A street course.  It is in a combination residential, commercial and parkland area with heavy redevelopment of a former industrial/port area.  West New York, NJ is one of the most densely populated municipalities in the entire USA, too, and on the course map in the above images, with one exception (the splotch by the hairpin, which is a sewage treatment plant), all of the red areas are very high unit-density residential buildings.  The pink area by the bridge on the south end of the track is also a seven-story residential building.  Resident access will be maintained to all during the race weeks and many will have fantastic views of the races from their apartments.

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Austin is currently building a purpose-built racetrack in rural southeast part of their metro area.  

See:
http://maps.google.com/?ll=30.137408,-97.640305&spn=0.044389,0.087891&t=h&z=14&vpsrc=6
This track, shown in the center of the image in its earliest stages of construction, is a short distance south of Bergstrom airport (AUS).

Mike
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on October 26, 2011, 12:03:44 PM
One benefit to people living there would be the demise of those speed humps you see in that drive-around video.

I'd like to go to both this race and the one in Austin, but certainly this one would be far easier to get to from the DC area. On the other hand, I saw a possible ticket price of $360 kicked around. True, that's for the whole weekend, but as of right now I wouldn't be able to pay that.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: Takumi on October 26, 2011, 12:22:47 PM
Yeah, I'm aiming to attend in 2015 at the earliest. Anything before that isn't practical for me.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: Takumi on November 16, 2011, 02:16:26 PM
Looks like the Austin race is dead, at least for now...then again, knowing Ecclestone, whi knows.

 http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-bernie-ecclestone-austin-race-set-to-be-called-off
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on November 16, 2011, 02:39:21 PM
Looks like the Austin race is dead, at least for now...then again, knowing Ecclestone, whi knows.

 http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-bernie-ecclestone-austin-race-set-to-be-called-off

Planet-F1 report that construction on the circuit has been suspended, too. (http://www.planet-f1.com/news/3213/7310871/Work-Grinds-To-A-Halt-In-Austin) Doesn't sound good.

I wonder why the circuit's owners keep capitalizing the word "the" in the circuit's name.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: Takumi on November 16, 2011, 04:11:35 PM
Doesn't sound good.

Yeah, I saw that on ESPN last night. Looks like Tavo wants the track to take things over.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: formulanone on November 16, 2011, 05:26:29 PM
I wonder why the circuit's owners keep capitalizing the word "the" in the circuit's name.

I think the term "The Americas" (North + Central + South America - Greenland) is always capitalized like that. Words like "the, a, of, and"...et cetera - which aren't normally capitalized within titles - are capitalized if they are the lead word in a proper noun. So "The Americas" is correct, because Grand Prix of The Americas is a concatenation of two proper nouns with a preposition. At least, that's what I recall from grade-school grammar.

Of course, calling it the "United States Grand Prix" alleviates this issue, but no...we have to make Mexico feel good that F1 hasn't used the Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in 20 years.

I think F1 jumped the gun a little early, and desperately wants to the be first racing series at any new track it deems worthy of its top-notch FIA-approved machinery, but only just after the ink is dry on the blueprints. It used to be you made the track, and then they come, but then again, nobody wants to lose out on a $100 million investment, just to lure karts and weekend gentlemen racers, and never recoup their costs.

Of course, after the dust settles, we'll know if this was a big ploy by Bernie to get the NYGP, or a massive cock-up between the Austin organizers and the circuit owners.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on November 16, 2011, 05:39:21 PM
I've never seen "the" capitalized in "the Americas," but who knows. If I remember, I'll ask my mother when I see her next week. She taught English for many years until retiring the year before last.

I know the people on Wikipedia incorrectly capitalize "the" whenever a name like "the Beatles" appears in the middle of a sentence (that is, they'd say "Help! was the second movie starring The Beatles, released in 1965" when it should be "... starring the Beatles ..."), contrary to just about every style and grammar guide out there, so maybe the circuit's owners are seemingly misguided.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: formulanone on November 16, 2011, 05:44:09 PM
...contrary to just about every style and grammar guide out there, so maybe the circuit's owners are seemingly misguided.

With the exception of most of the motoring press, the automotive industry was suffocating the English language long before SMS and the Internet.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on November 17, 2011, 02:51:31 PM
Reports today are that Ecclestone says he is 100% certain the 2012 Austin race will be cancelled at next month's WMSC meeting. Meanwhile, there's also a report that construction on the Circuit of the Americas has been halted.
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: 1995hoo on December 07, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
The Associated Press are reporting the USGP has been INCLUDED on next year's calendar, Ecclestone's threats notwithstanding. (http://www.wtop.com/?nid=351&sid=2660382)
Title: Re: Formula 1 to run a street course in New Jersey
Post by: mgk920 on June 13, 2012, 08:25:56 PM
F1 Driver Sabastian Vettel's drive on the Weehawken-West New York, NJ course - Monday, 2012-06-11:


Enjoy!

 :thumbsup:

Mike
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing thread!
Post by: mgk920 on July 26, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
Rockwell-Collins is now a major sponsor of an F1 team and they have one of their cars on display, along with a personal appearance of their up and coming USA-born driver Alexander Rossi http://www.alexanderrossi.com/ at this year's EAA Airventure week in Oshkosh, WI, through Sunday, 29-July.  I spend several days on the grounds every year as a volunteer.

Worth checking out if you are in the area.

 :nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on July 26, 2012, 12:29:50 PM
During race coverage last week, the American commentators were briefly discussing the NŁrburgring and its financial struggles. Has there been talk of its F1 race going away?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on July 26, 2012, 07:48:05 PM
^ The old NŁrburgring has been in financial trouble for years now, due to its status of world's-longest-permanent racing circuit. Interestingly, it's considered a toll road, because on open days, you just bring cash and a vehicle, and pay-per-lap. But despite all the testing days, open days, and a handful of events, that doesn't bring in enough revenue to keep up a 14-mile long circuit and amenities, when the average road FIA Grade 1 circuit is about 3 miles long.

The flip-flop between Hockenhiem and NŁrburgring for hosting the event every other year is an old idea brought back to life; Spa-Francorchamps and Paul Ricard are also going to do the same, I've heard.

Rockwell-Collins is now a major sponsor of an F1 team and they have one of their cars on display, along with a personal appearance of their up and coming USA-born driver Alexander Rossi http://www.alexanderrossi.com/ at this year's EAA Airventure week in Oshkosh, WI, through Sunday, 29-July.  I spend several days on the grounds every year as a volunteer.

Team Caterham has quite a number of American sponsors, I've noticed. GE and CNN are also in their portfolio. Now if only they could crack into the points or make Q2 on a regular basis...
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on September 13, 2012, 05:00:58 PM
The Circuit of the Americas is almost completed...really cutting it close for an mid-November race!

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/603381_514475048578840_1375298825_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 13, 2012, 05:09:46 PM
The Korean GP circuit was the same way a couple years ago; in fact, it was still a bit unfinished by race weekend.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 28, 2012, 12:30:50 PM
Lewis Hamilton is leaving McLaren at the end of the year, replacing Michael Schumacher at Mercedes. Sergio Perez is his McLaren replacement.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on September 28, 2012, 12:46:47 PM
I expected Perez to go to Ferrari, to be honest. Somehow, Massa just doesn't have the same speed and motivation in the past two seasons. I figured the Sauber engine deal and dispatching Alonso on a few occasions would have sealed that second seat. Schumacher looks like he doesn't care anymore. He looks happier to be out of the car with every retirement, than he does actually driving it. Rosberg has surpassed him on nearly every race and qualifying session in the past three years.

I think now we'll see how good Hamilton really is at a mid-level team; there's been folks muttering that he jumped right into F1 with the one of the best cars at his disposal, but a look at Kovalinen shows that you sometimes can't handle the pressure. Although, Heikki has matured quite a bit; he's quietly done well in the Lotus/Caterham for a few years, if not spectacular.

This really opens up a lot of talk for a couple of seats; there's been no excitement from GP2 to fill up any vacancies (Davide Valscechi was the champ, but I don't see him jumping right into a great seat...he's had 3-4 years in GP2 to hone his craft against some really great past graduates, but now against so-so competitors.) Sauber will have an opening, though...seems to be a great car this year.

Now the silly season gets a lot less silly, but starts to get serious. And occasionally...weird.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on September 28, 2012, 05:02:31 PM
The BBC reports the FIA gave the stamp of approval to the Circuit of the Americas in Austin at today's track inspection, so November's race is a go!

New Jersey sounds far less likely.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 28, 2012, 05:54:45 PM
I expected Perez to go to Ferrari, to be honest. Somehow, Massa just doesn't have the same speed and motivation in the past two seasons.
Yeah, Massa's never been the same since his accident. "Fernando is faster than you" seems to have made it exponentially worse. I am glad to see Perez move up; in the absence of an American driver, it's good to see at least a North American driver doing well.

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I think now we'll see how good Hamilton really is at a mid-level team
Agreed, although I have read that Mercedes is focusing more on its 2014 program than next year's.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Alps on September 28, 2012, 06:31:06 PM
The BBC reports the FIA gave the stamp of approval to the Circuit of the Americas in Austin at today's track inspection, so November's race is a go!

New Jersey sounds far less likely.
All it takes is one crash into someone's veranda, knocking a city block down the Palisades into the river.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on October 18, 2012, 06:18:49 PM
New Jersey has been delayed a year.
 http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-new-jersey-grand-prix-formula-one-race-postponed
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on October 18, 2012, 08:17:58 PM
Can't say I'm completely shocked, but having only two years to pull off a race seemed a little soon. That said, usually a permanent racing circuit takes at least three years or so of planning.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on October 20, 2012, 02:37:37 PM
One of the quotes, in the paragraph blurb our local paper published on this story this morning, was that the organizers "didn't know what they were doing" for why the race was being postponed.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on November 25, 2012, 01:08:59 PM
Sebastian Vettel is world champion for the 3rd consecutive year after finishing sixth today in Brazil. Fernando Alonso finished second both in points and behind Jenson Button in the race.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on November 25, 2012, 05:52:34 PM
That was a crazy race, it was tough to keep track of everything going on!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on November 25, 2012, 06:37:52 PM
I know. I went to make lunch right after the first lap, and by the time I got back into the living room, it was like another race!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on November 25, 2012, 09:39:34 PM
Great race, great season, sad to see Varsha done.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on November 26, 2012, 10:36:49 PM
That was a crazy race, it was tough to keep track of everything going on!
Nothing like a little rain to make F1 interesting.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 24, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
Anyone hear David Hobbs mention today how they got a viewer tweet asking about a new addition to one of the graphics? It was mine. So I either got an anonymous shout-out on TV or else I was the only meatball too dumb to figure it out at first glance.

My original tweet from 17:38 yesterday after watching qualy on DVR:

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@1995hoo: @1995hoo: What is this new piece in graphic on #f1onnbc? (See where I'm pointing) @bobvarsha @MrDavidHobbs @stevematchett http://t.co/Wx9UNg9jgQ

Hobbs replied at 19:44 yesterday:

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@MrDavidHobbs: @1995hoo find out tonight

I replied last night:

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@1995hoo: @MrDavidHobbs DVR means I'll find out Sunday :-) Thanks for reply. Upon reflection, I'm guessing number of gear changes per lap.

Varsha from 7:38 this morning; I was asleep and watched the race late this morning/early afternoon on DVR:

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@bobvarsha: ď@1995hoo: What is this new graphic on #f1onnbc? @bobvarsha @MrDavidHobbs @stevematchett http://t.co/ayBv68RZfOĒ gears changes per lap.

Hobbs sent me a follow up at 11:38. I hadn't checked anything online yet to avoid spoilers:

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@MrDavidHobbs: @1995hoo  we think its gear shifts on that lap

My reply to Hobbs at 13:28:

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@1995hoo: @MrDavidHobbs My wife was quite chuffed to hear you say "we received a tweet about it." Thanks, mate!

To which he replied ten minutes ago as I type this:

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@MrDavidHobbs: @1995hoo mon plaisir, say Hi to the boss!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 24, 2013, 10:22:09 PM
I didn't watch the replay because I fell asleep (and woke up in January, apparently...snow had started, but that's for another topic). I thought Varsha was still under contract with Fox.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 25, 2013, 03:05:02 AM
Nice job getting a response from one David Hobbs...glad to have Varsha join the team again.

Also, silly silly Alonso.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 25, 2013, 09:15:59 AM
I didn't watch the replay because I fell asleep (and woke up in January, apparently...snow had started, but that's for another topic). I thought Varsha was still under contract with Fox.

Varsha said at the end of last season he is under contract at FOX and that that was the reason he didn't make the move. Guess they allowed it as a one-off. I think the networks have done that on occasionóisn't there usually some crossover for the Masters?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: InterstateNG on March 25, 2013, 10:21:35 AM
Varsha said he would be calling a couple of other races this season as a fill-in, but didn't specify.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 25, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
Who called Australia? Leigh Diffey? He, along with Wally Dallenbach of all people (did he even race IndyCars? I know Townsend Bell, the other analyst, has) called the IndyCar race yesterday.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 25, 2013, 12:23:05 PM
Yes, Diffey called Australia and is NBC's regular F1 play-by-play guy except when he's on some other assignment like yesterday.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 25, 2013, 04:29:30 PM
Just saw this on Facebook...I hate to be "that guy" but it made me laugh...
(http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/c0.0.598.391/575751_10151398209422599_677535411_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 26, 2013, 07:48:35 AM
Who called Australia? Leigh Diffey? He, along with Wally Dallenbach of all people (did he even race IndyCars? I know Townsend Bell, the other analyst, has) called the IndyCar race yesterday.

I think he raced in CART a few times, had a few sports-car races under his belt, but his most notable stretch was in NASCAR. His father was primarily a USAC racer before the pre-CART split, and was head of race control  operations (kind of like a similar position that Derek Ongaro, Roland Bruynseraede, et al held) at NASCAR for a while.

Edit: The 316397812768194560[/tweet]]other two (http://[tweet)[/b] planned races for Bob are Spa and Korea.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on August 01, 2013, 08:20:28 PM
http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2013/06/political_insider_weehawken_an.html

Looks like the Grand Prix of New Jersey/New York/North America/whatever is back on.

With a 15-year-contract, supposedly.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 01, 2013, 08:28:44 PM
I didn't know it had been off, just delayed until next year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 30, 2014, 06:15:50 PM
Major bump, but tomorrow marks the 20th anniversary of the death of Ayrton Senna.

http://jalopnik.com/i-was-there-when-senna-died-1569649512
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on April 30, 2014, 11:36:58 PM
A day I'd like to never re-live, but I'll never forget it.

I remember both days quite vividly; even though it was a work-filled weekend and finals were coming up. My co-worker told me about Roland Ratzenberger's accident in qualifying (he was kind of new to the sport, and he  couldn't remember his name). It wasn't until I watched the 11:00pm news that I'd found out who it was - a fellow who'd tried for a long time to get a lucky break into F1 at the age of 33 - and paid the ultimate price for it all.

I remember there was some nervous tension in me before watching that race live, the start-line accident which injured spectators didn't really help. When Senna's crash occurred, my first thought was how far back in championship he was now going to be.

After about 10 seconds or so, I was talking at the TV: "get out of the car, Senna; that's not a safe place to meditate on your accident." When he didn't move for a few more seconds, I was louder; not quite yelling, but loud enough to mumble uselessly. "Get out, damn it!".

It just couldn't be real; five years earlier, Gerhard Berger nearly burned to death at the same spot, in such ghastly circumstances. He'd live to race a few weekends later. Surely, Senna was going to dust himself off, and be upset, like Monaco in 1988. But still no movement, and like many...I hoped for the best. I didn't remember hearing much about his condition during the race. (As it turned out, ESPN's live broadcast, like the BBC's, was a global feed of RAI Television, and they'd "blocked out" some of the most distressing parts of the injuries.)

I went to work not long after the race was over...I chit-chatted with my co-worker later in the day, both of us having not known his fate by then. We both figured he'd pull though, because he was such an obstinate bad-ass. This was 1994, and nobody else in the area probably knew nor cared about such an obscure sport. Nobody was going to randomly throw a spoiler at you, what with F1 racing being the 79th-most popular spectator sport in America.

I get home late, around 10pm or so, and turn on ESPN. Varsha and Hobbs (the race announcers) are being somberly interviewed on SportsCenter...they're never interviewed. And then I know, that's it.

I took a long, rambling drive to nowhere, on the following day, instead of studying. I think I drove faster than I should have on US 27...Fuck it. I'd gone through a break-up the week before, but as much as I hate to say it, I also realized my life could have been a lot worse.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on May 05, 2018, 11:10:03 AM
Reviving this thread after a four-year slumber.

A possible Miami Grand Prix could be on the schedule next year.
http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/23405017/miami-proposed-f1-street-race-all-need-know

Also Red Bull are considering picking up Honda engines next year after several years being unsatisfied with Renault. Honda has seemed to be doing much better with Toro Rosso than they did with McLaren. I wonder, since Red Bull have advertised their Renault engines to be other brands in recent years (Infiniti and TAG Heuer), should they become the Honda works team will they use Mugen or Acura branding instead of Honda. (Full disclosure: since the McLaren-Honda split I’ve abandoned my McLaren fandom. I don’t like how they blamed everything on Honda.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on May 05, 2018, 02:32:05 PM
A possible Miami Grand Prix could be on the schedule next year.
http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/23405017/miami-proposed-f1-street-race-all-need-know

If it's truly going to be downtown, I don't think the roads are all that interesting. Most the old roads from past races around Bayfront Park and Bicentennial Park are no longer there. The planned one just looks like a lot of hairpins.

I really don't see the USGP leaving Austin, either. As each nation can only have one Grand Epreuve, they'll have to get a bit more creative with the title. (Grand Prix of South America? USGP East?)

...and by 2019?

Can't say I'm completely shocked, but having only two years to pull off a race seemed a little soon.

I'm going to stand by this quote.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on May 05, 2018, 02:39:04 PM
The proposed race in New Jersey that never got off the ground was to have been the "Grand Prix of America." Presumably they'd come up with something similar.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on May 05, 2018, 06:15:20 PM
Yeah, 2019 seems to be very short notice.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on May 08, 2018, 11:35:05 PM
Back in the 70s, F1 had Grand prixs at Watkins Glen & Long Beach. Watkins got the USGP title, Long Beach was called USGP West.
So there is precedence if Miami wants to be USGP South, or just the GP of Miami (or Florida)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Alps on May 09, 2018, 06:58:10 PM
Back in the 70s, F1 had Grand prixs at Watkins Glen & Long Beach. Watkins got the USGP title, Long Beach was called USGP West.
So there is precedence if Miami wants to be USGP South, or just the GP of Miami (or Florida)
Grands prix. (:
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on May 10, 2018, 03:57:25 PM
I got an e-mail today advertising the new F1 TV Pro service. Problem is, I'd have to watch it on my PC or iPhone (my iPad is older and thus incompatible). No way to watch it on the TV (yet). That's a non-starter for me.

I've noticed that the ESPN broadcasts are hit-or-miss as to showing up on my DVR's to-do list. Have to check constantly, even though I have the auto-recording set up, and some weeks I've had to add it manually. Been a nuisance. That's one reason I might, and I emphasize "might," consider F1's service, IF and only if there were a way to watch it on the TV.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on May 10, 2018, 05:52:33 PM
Miami has approved the plans for the street race, and Lewis Hamilton has offered to tweak the design of the track.
http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/23463680/miami-approves-plans-2019-formula-one-street-race
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 18, 2018, 09:17:22 PM
Red Bull to Honda
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-honda-engine-deal-1046734/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 02 Park Ave on July 01, 2018, 10:16:33 PM
Was it the track temperature that took its toll today in Austria?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on July 02, 2018, 11:29:44 PM
Was it the track temperature that took its toll today in Austria?

In regards to the tyres blistering, yes.
As far as the other issues, hydraulics, engines, transmissions, that's hard to say with those items being required to last multiple races.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on July 03, 2018, 06:45:36 AM
Was it the track temperature that took its toll today in Austria?

In regards to the tyres blistering, yes.
As far as the other issues, hydraulics, engines, transmissions, that's hard to say with those items being required to last multiple races.

And the Mercedes teammates didn't try to ram each other off the track, unlike two years ago.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 22, 2021, 09:11:30 PM
I apologize for the massive bump, but since this is just a general F1 thread, it probably makes sense.

My family and I used to be huge fans of F1 back in the 2000s, but I've been on a total F1 kick on YouTube with everything from highlights and Top 10s, to memes as of late, and the 2021 season is scheduled to kick-off next weekend in Bahrain. Anyone on here still interested in the sport, or is it just a Hamilton-takes-all borefest?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 22, 2021, 11:04:33 PM
I apologize for the massive bump, but since this is just a general F1 thread, it probably makes sense.

My family and I used to be huge fans of F1 back in the 2000s, but I've been on a total F1 kick on YouTube with everything from highlights and Top 10s, to memes as of late, and the 2021 season is scheduled to kick-off next weekend in Bahrain. Anyone on here still interested in the sport, or is it just a Hamilton-takes-all borefest?

Iím still watching it. Verstappen set the fastest time in testing last week, leading to renewed hope among some that this will finally be the year he topples Sir Lewis, but I think Mercedes were sandbagging again.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 23, 2021, 07:23:40 AM
I watch it occasionally, but usually I'll just catch up with the highlights. On another forum, we were discussiong how weird it must have been to begin watching the sport last year, and I think that's why it was such a draw for me in the first place: it's a really chaotic sport, though a lot less so over the last 10-15 years.

The new season of Drive to Survive is also now available on Netflix.

I hear the F1 app is terrible for watching the races...but maybe I'm wrong. Is there a way to (legally) watch/stream races later on, like for the next week? (I'm not interested in downloading or torrenting them, to be honest; but I don't want to pay for crap.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 23, 2021, 09:54:44 AM
I usually watch all the races, but last year I didn't watch much. Combination of having other things to do, being bored with it not being competitive, and getting tired of the British commentators' constant Hamilton-worship.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 23, 2021, 03:52:30 PM
I usually watch all the races, but last year I didn't watch much. Combination of having other things to do, being bored with it not being competitive, and getting tired of the British commentators' constant Hamilton-worship.

Some people tend to try and focus more on the midfield competition, as it's more interesting and uncertain as to exactly what will happen. But yes, very tired of Hamilton indeed.

I'm personally interested to see what will happen with Aston Martin and Vettel. Alonso is also returning after two years away. Ferrari needs to make a huge comeback after an embarrassing 2020 season. And finally, Michael Schumacher's son Mick will be joining the grid for the first time at Haas.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 23, 2021, 08:29:44 PM
The midfield will definitely be interesting this year. I expect Ricciardo to finish 5th in the driversí standings and possibly even win a race with McMerc. Vettel and Stroll should be good with Aston. Lando is solid. Ferrari and Alpine are wild cards. AlphaTauri should be closer to the rest with the improved (final) Honda engine and a better chassis. Gasly is my favorite driver, and Yuki Tsunoda looks to be the real deal.

I expect the Hamilton worship from the British commentators to continue, especially since heís been knighted.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on March 24, 2021, 09:48:38 PM
I apologize for the massive bump, but since this is just a general F1 thread, it probably makes sense.

My family and I used to be huge fans of F1 back in the 2000s, but I've been on a total F1 kick on YouTube with everything from highlights and Top 10s, to memes as of late, and the 2021 season is scheduled to kick-off next weekend in Bahrain. Anyone on here still interested in the sport, or is it just a Hamilton-takes-all borefest?

No worse than the Schumacher/Ferrari borefests of the 00s.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on March 24, 2021, 10:23:06 PM
I feel like the Schumacher/Ferrari borefests were a lot less in your face. I watched a lot of them, but man.  With all respect to Lewis Hamilton who is a great driver, the problems in F1 are in your face.

I took a random sample of 40 years of F1 winners.

1979: Jacques Laffite, Gilles Villenvue, Patrick Depallier, Jody Scheckter, Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Clay Regazzoni, Alan Jones

1989: Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Theirry Boutsen, Gerhard Berger, Alessandro Nannini

1999: Eddie Irvine, Mika Haikken, Michael Schumacher, Heinz-Harald Frentzen, David Coulthard, Johnny Herbert

2009: Jenson Button, Sebastian Vettel, Mark Webber, Lewis Hamilton, Rubens Barichello, Kimi Raikkonen

2019: Valtteri Bottas, Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc

We were on a consistent pace, even in the Schumacher/Ferrari era compared to now.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 25, 2021, 11:18:59 AM
I feel like the Schumacher/Ferrari borefests were a lot less in your face. I watched a lot of them, but man.  With all respect to Lewis Hamilton who is a great driver, the problems in F1 are in your face.

One factor is overall reliability; even the best teams and world champions had an "off day" or two with a bad setup, and probably broke down in the races 2-3 times a year. Seeing Toto Wolff yell and curse when his star driver literally had the flu and they were like 150 points ahead of everyone in the Constructor's Championship made me roll my eyes.

The other would be that the top teams are constantly fiddling and developing their cars for each race; while it wasn't unusual for other teams to develop mid-season upgrades every few races, now they're evolving new aerodynamic parts with each race. Obviously, a team needs a big budget and some engineering skills to keep up with that.

The interesting thing is that the gaps between pole position and last in qualifying or the fastest-to-slowest laps has reduced greatly in the past 20 years, so pure anti-competitiveness can be ruled out. Put it in another words, the cars are closer together; so no matter how "bad" Williams looks, or even past teams teams like Manor/Marussia, HRT, or Minardi were in their waning days, they were still much closer to the front than the worst teams in the 1960s through the mid-1990s.

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I took a random sample of 40 years of F1 winners.
1979: Jacques Laffite, Gilles Villenvue, Patrick Depallier, Jody Scheckter, Jean-Pierre Jabouille, Clay Regazzoni, Alan Jones

Pretty competitive season; teams were still figuring out ground-effect and they were fortunate that Lotus over-thought the ground effect process in their new car (the "80") to the opposite extremes by which the suction power was too great, and it literally slowed them down. Ligier was good at first, Williams got better, Renault were up/down a lot, but Ferrari was the most reliable (basically the fastest engine with the least amount of ground effect).

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1989: Nigel Mansell, Ayrton Senna, Alain Prost, Theirry Boutsen, Gerhard Berger, Alessandro Nannini

The first year of the new 3.5L formula gave some good variety. Only three winners the year before...

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1999: Eddie Irvine, Mika Haikken, Michael Schumacher, Heinz-Harald Frentzen, David Coulthard, Johnny Herbert

Schumacher's broken leg might have helped with that.

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2009: Jenson Button, Sebastian Vettel, Mark Webber, Lewis Hamilton, Rubens Barichello, Kimi Raikkonen

Brawn/Honda caught a lucky break but didn't keep developing the car and others figured out how to exploit the blown-diffuser trick.

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2019: Valtteri Bottas, Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc

We were on a consistent pace, even in the Schumacher/Ferrari era compared to now.

Only 4, but out of 20-22 drivers.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Zeffy on March 26, 2021, 09:27:24 AM
I'm pretty sure Mercedes is just playing the whole "oh no we have worse pace this year" thing and this weekend they are going to once again dominate pole position and probably Hamilton finishing P1. That being said, I would love to see Red Bull be a very strong competitor this year to Merc; also hoping Williams lets Russell get his first points because he deserved them! Hoping the season isn't a total snoozefest; it's shaping up to be more competitive at least from the practice session results.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 26, 2021, 10:26:38 AM
I'd like any team to step up or at least make a good fight, but dang it...Verstappen is so very petulant. Good to see Perez in a real top-tier car; but after 2-3 races he has to be on par with or ahead of Max, or Gasly/Albon is getting back in, unless Tsunoda is absolutely phenomenal.

As always, curious to see what Ferrari will do, whether Aston Martin can be a real player or just another Jordan-turned-Spyker, and really interested to see what Mick Schumacher will achieve.

Frankly, my biggest concern is the engine supply and how there's going to be three manufacturers all with their own teams' agendas before the customer teams (though Renault/Alpine hadn't seriously threatened McLaren).

On another note - on this day in 1989, the Ferrari 640 driven by Nigel Mansell won the Brazilian GP, and it was the first for a car with an semi-automatic transmission. Five years later, every car on the grid had them, as the gear changes saved precious fractions of a second on the track.

(https://img.favcars.com/ferrari/formula-1/images_ferrari_formula-1_1989_1_800x600.jpg)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 26, 2021, 05:34:18 PM
FP1 and FP2 results seemed interesting. Red Bull's Super Max on P1 for both sessions. Of course I'm sure Mercedes are probably still doing a bit of sandbagging. Ferrari though was up to P4 in the second practice which was nice to see. Even if Ferrari still struggle some this year, I hope they don't have another seasons like last year. That was embarrassing.


Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 26, 2021, 08:33:18 PM
I'm pretty sure Mercedes is just playing the whole "oh no we have worse pace this year" thing and this weekend they are going to once again dominate pole position and probably Hamilton finishing P1. That being said, I would love to see Red Bull be a very strong competitor this year to Merc; also hoping Williams lets Russell get his first points because he deserved them! Hoping the season isn't a total snoozefest; it's shaping up to be more competitive at least from the practice session results.
Russell got points last year in his Merc appearance. I do think heíll get a few points this year as Williams donít look as dreadful as theyíve been the past couple years.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 02 Park Ave on March 27, 2021, 09:52:14 AM
There have been two important changes to the sport since the Schumi era among many.

Back then cars were refueled during the races giving pit stops more importance than they have now.

More importantly, teams selected their own tires then rather than having to make do with what they are required to use now.  That made a big difference.  To make things worse, low profile tires are coming to the sport.

It is truly a different era.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 27, 2021, 10:17:07 AM
The other reason the lack of refueling makes a difference is that it takes away some of the strategy. Back then you had to chooseóstart with less fuel to make your car lighter to get out in front, or start heavier to allow for a longer first stint. Schumacher usually did the latter and put in really fast laps while the other cars were in the pits or were running heavy after pit stops. That strategy did depend on your pit crew executing flawlessly, of course.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 27, 2021, 10:30:41 AM
Re-fueling definitely added more excitement to the strategies. I understand why it was banned, but it definitely took away something from the sport.

In other news, FP3 had Verstappen on top again, followed by Hamilton, Gasly, Bottas, and Perez.

Qualifying coming up in 30 minutes!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Zeffy on March 27, 2021, 12:04:02 PM
Max on pole! Wow, that was an exciting qualifying. Ferrari showing strong as well, and P5 by Gasly is great to see! However, Perez couldn't get into Q3 which is kind of sad. Mercedes P2 and P3 which is expected at this point, but to see Max on pole instead of Hamilton certainly makes me think this season will be more interesting in regards to Mercedes not running away with it every time.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 27, 2021, 02:41:23 PM
I thought Qualifying was fantastic. It's the first time I've watched a full session for a long time, but it was very entertaining from start to finish. Most interesting notes for me:
Looking forward to tomorrow. Really hoping Max holds the line, and hopefully his teammate can rise through the ranks as well.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on March 28, 2021, 04:25:39 PM
Didnít get to watch the race today, but going by what Iíve seen online it was pretty solid. Yuki with points on his debut...he looks like heís going to be a superstar in the future.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 28, 2021, 05:12:16 PM
It was a very good race, very entertaining indeed... but I am sorely disappointed that Max didn't win.  :-/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Zeffy on March 29, 2021, 09:01:12 AM
It was a very good race, very entertaining indeed... but I am sorely disappointed that Max didn't win.  :-/

Those last few laps had me standing up, adrenaline pumping. I can't believe Lewis held off Max, but to his credit, Lewis raced superbly. I was disappointed in Max as well, but for Red Bull, it sure looks like they can take the fight to Mercedes this year! Also Perez from p20 (!) to p6 (or 5?)... that was a brilliant showing. Ferrari and McLaren did great as well. The field looks much more competitive this time around.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on March 29, 2021, 09:22:43 AM
Yes, Perez was P5 which was indeed impressive. Makes me wonder how the race could've gone had he qualified higher up and didn't have issues before the start of the race.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on March 29, 2021, 10:45:30 AM
A darn good drive from Hamilton; it's nice to see a good race start off the season.

Nobody seemed to concerned when Perez stopped on the track and just rebooted the car! Nice drive back for what looked like a DNS in his debut.

Good to see Max return the lead without a fuss after an improper pass.

Vettel looked ordinary after a decent start.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on March 29, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
Apparently Alonso's retirement was caused by a sandwich wrapper that got stuck in one of the rear brake ducts (https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35966560/sandwich-wrapper-fernando-alonso-f1/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_rdt&utm_medium=email&date=032921&utm_campaign=nl23246011&utm_term=AAA%20--%20High%20Minus%20Dormant%20and%2090%20Day%20Non%20Openers).

Reminds me of the tagline the Charlotte Observer used for many years on its "That's Racin' " website: "thatís raciní (phrase): Expresses frustration or emotion. 1. When a small part costing just a few dollars fails and stops a $150,000 race car, thatís raciní. 2. When you race a competitor for 500 miles and lose to him by just a few feet, thatís raciní. 3. When a hot dog wrapper blows out of the stands, gets caught across the air vent on the front of your car and causes your engine to overheat, thatís raciní."
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 20, 2021, 08:12:36 PM
After two races, Max and Lewis have one win each, and Lewis leads the WDC by one point due to his fastest lap at Imola.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 20, 2021, 09:20:58 PM
And that race was a banger too. Not gonna lie though, I was hoping Hamilton's little off-track excursion would've led to a DNF. He got extremely lucky once again with the safety car and then red flag. Imagine Toto Wolff if all three of his drivers DNFed!

So far, 2021 is looking to be a great season.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 20, 2021, 09:26:05 PM
To quote Bill Burr (who’s an F1 fan), Hamilton’s luck makes you believe in a higher power.

Yes, he’s one of the greatest drivers of all time. But he also seems to get lucky breaks more than anyone.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on April 20, 2021, 09:49:03 PM
To quote Bill Burr (whoís an F1 fan), Hamiltonís luck makes you believe in a higher power.

Yes, heís one of the greatest drivers of all time. But he also seems to get lucky breaks more than anyone.

...especially when the two other Mercedes drivers took each other out at a really opportune moment, causing a red flag.

Seriously, that's just good luck because I don't seriously think they'd do that; at least not during just the second race of the year.

How much longer do we give Vettel's season? Does he even make it to the German GP before getting sacked, at this pace?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 21, 2021, 09:09:55 AM
To quote Bill Burr (whoís an F1 fan), Hamiltonís luck makes you believe in a higher power.

Yes, heís one of the greatest drivers of all time. But he also seems to get lucky breaks more than anyone.

...especially when the two other Mercedes drivers took each other out at a really opportune moment, causing a red flag.

Seriously, that's just good luck because I don't seriously think they'd do that; at least not during just the second race of the year.

How much longer do we give Vettel's season? Does he even make it to the German GP before getting sacked, at this pace?

I don't believe that the Russell/Bottas crash was intentional. They happened at almost literally the same time. And considering their frustrations at each other, as well as the apparent severity of the crash, it was an accident.

As for ol' Seb, we'll have to give him a couple more rounds I think. If he can't pull points, then that won't be good.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 21, 2021, 02:08:07 PM
Honestly, it seems like Vettel has never recovered from his loss in 2018.

(I know that feel, Seb.)
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 27, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
F1 announced sprint races as a substitute for qualifying at three GP this season.


Thoughts on this announcement? Or shall we just wait and see?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 27, 2021, 07:31:22 PM
Not a fan, but if itís going to be forced on us anyway I might as well wait and see.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on April 28, 2021, 03:39:20 PM
Canadian GP date to be replaced by Turkish GP, due to COVID.

https://racer.com/2021/04/28/canadian-grand-prix-cancelled-replaced-by-turkey/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on April 29, 2021, 06:42:49 AM
Canadian GP date to be replaced by Turkish GP, due to COVID.

https://racer.com/2021/04/28/canadian-grand-prix-cancelled-replaced-by-turkey/
Good on the Canadian government for being unable to make any sort of compromise. We couldn't have just tested everyone when they arrive, that would be ridiculous. </s>

At least Turkey should make for a good replacement, so it's not all bad.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on April 29, 2021, 07:41:54 AM
I wonder what ramifications that might have for the Stanley Cup Playoffs' final two rounds. The first two rounds arenít a problem because theyíll be in-division only, but the final two rounds might pose an issue.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on April 29, 2021, 07:26:34 PM
Sir Lewis isnít retiring after this year.
https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/31359142/hamilton-planning-stay-f1-next-year
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on May 05, 2021, 07:45:03 PM
Romain Grosjean will test a Mercedes W10 and do a demonstration run at the French Grand Prix this year. Great move by Toto and company to keep their word.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-mercedes-test-wolff-french-gp/6502747/

Meanwhile, Patricio O’Ward’s maiden IndyCar win means that he’ll test a McLaren F1 car at Abu Dhabi this year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 08, 2021, 06:44:24 PM
Romain Grosjean will test a Mercedes W10 and do a demonstration run at the French Grand Prix this year. Great move by Toto and company to keep their word.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/grosjean-mercedes-test-wolff-french-gp/6502747/

Imagine if Grosjean made a comeback to F1, even for just a season. That would be a great sight to see, though I wonder how his burn injuries would affect his potential. He deserves better than leaving with Haas.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 09, 2021, 12:55:18 AM
I think Hamilton deserves a round of applause for doing the honorable thing and not scoring any points after Verstappen's tire gave out.  :clap: :sombrero:
Also, I can't see Bottas driving for Mercedes after this year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on June 11, 2021, 05:36:53 PM
I think Hamilton deserves a round of applause for doing the honorable thing and not scoring any points after Verstappen's tire gave out.  :clap: :sombrero:
Also, I can't see Bottas driving for Mercedes after this year.

Yes and yes. Russel is definitely going to move to Mercedes. He's more than proved it, and Bottas has not had a good season so far. Granted, the failure in Monaco wasn't his fault, but still. He's had a lot of trouble and if it doesn't change soon, he's definitely gone.

On the other hand, so proud of Vettel being on the podium again! And Perez for picking up his second win. They both deserved it.  :clap:
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 11, 2021, 07:44:03 PM
I can't see Bottas driving for Mercedes after this year.
I canít either, but I also thought Kimi was going to hang it up by now, so what do I know.

If Kimi does hang it up after this year (emphasis on if), I think Sauber will replace him with Theo Pourchaire, who looks to be the best prospect since Verstappen.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on June 11, 2021, 11:01:53 PM
On that note, as much as I love Kimi (we all do), I kinda hope he calls it so we can see another rising star get a chance.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 16, 2021, 09:48:18 PM
Esteban Ocon has signed a 3-year extension for Alpine. Finally we can put those ridiculous Gasly rumors to rest. (I love Gasly, but him going to Alpine never felt right to me.)
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/esteban-ocon-signs-new-alpine-f1-deal-until-2024/6575083/

Also former F1 driver Kevin Magnussen will make his IndyCar debut this weekend, subbing for Felix Rosenqvist who was injured in Saturdayís race at Detroit.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on June 17, 2021, 11:31:42 AM
French driver for a French team. Makes too much sense not to keep that going.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on June 17, 2021, 09:54:23 PM
Romain Grosjean gives the AlphaTauri a virtual lap of Paul Ricard. As boring as the race usually is, it does look fun to drive.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on July 07, 2021, 01:44:02 PM
Carlos Reutemann has died, age 79.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ex-f1-racer-carlos-reutemann-dies-at-age-79/6627349/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 10, 2021, 06:36:57 PM
In terms of upcoming news, the first trial for Sprint Race Qualifying will be next weekend at the British Grand Prix.

I don't feel like it's going to work out well, but it might be worth a shot. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on July 13, 2021, 07:45:23 AM
Thanks for the reminder. Iíve had trouble finding time to watch qualifying this year, but given the different format, this week Iíll have to find a way.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: ET21 on July 15, 2021, 09:37:34 AM
I watched the Indy Qualifiers a few weeks back at Road America, my first visit to the track. That was so much fun
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: JoePCool14 on July 15, 2021, 09:41:14 AM
2022 car reveal from F1 will be starting in about 20 minutes on YouTube!

Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: cabiness42 on July 15, 2021, 12:01:34 PM
I watched the Indy Qualifiers a few weeks back at Road America, my first visit to the track. That was so much fun

Been to countless Indy 500s but never to a road course race. Really would like to see one sometime.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on August 29, 2021, 12:56:13 PM
After today's "rainout," has the FIA and Formula 1 ever thought of just postponing a race till Monday? American series do this. Why not them?
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on August 29, 2021, 01:53:58 PM
Which was a bigger farce: Indianapolis 2005 or Spa 2021?

I could see arguments for both. The weather today clearly made racing untenable, but Hamilton had a valid point that itís a bit absurd just to run three laps behind the safety car purely so that you can award half points. Indianapolis only had six cars start, but in theory those cars did go out and race.

Kind of makes you wonder whether they could have done like NASCAR and just postponed to tomorrow, seeing as how the next race isnít all that long a distance for the team haulers.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 29, 2021, 07:25:04 PM
Today was a bigger farce. At Indy, at least the cars that did start were able to run the full distance and at speed.

I missed the broadcast. What was todayís podium ceremony like? Iím imagining a repeat of Indy, with Verstappen and Hamilton quickly exiting after the anthems while Russell celebrates his first career podium like Monteiro did.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 1995hoo on August 30, 2021, 07:39:43 AM
They actually sprayed the sparkling wine (itís not real Champagne this year), I think mainly for Russell.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 31, 2021, 12:02:24 AM
They actually sprayed the sparkling wine (itís not real Champagne this year), I think mainly for Russell.

Ah, yes, the only Ferrari thatís actually consistently been on the podium this year.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on August 31, 2021, 08:01:35 AM
25-30 years ago, they would have started the race. Even in 1997, they did a few laps behind the safety car and then let them go.

They probably would have still done a half-points race and it might have been somewhat farcical like 1991 Adelaide, but who knows? I think knowing how treacherous Eau Rouge and Radillion could be in the wet, they had to make these decisions.

Really just should have run it the next day, since the logistics of going to Zandvoort weren't going to be greatly affected (as opposed to the 24-hour disruption caused by flying out the teams and equipment halfway around the globe).
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on August 31, 2021, 01:40:40 PM
I think the reason they didn’t opt to run it Monday was because the marshals are volunteers, and while Monday was a bank holiday in some countries in Europe, Belgium wasn’t one of them.

At any rate, silly season rumors are hitting full swing all of a sudden. According to journalist Dieter Rencken (https://racingnews365.com/russell-set-for-mercedes-switch-as-bottas-and-ilott-line-up-for-alfa-romeo-seats), George Russell is indeed getting the Mercedes seat, with Bottas replacing the retiring Kimi Raikkonen at Alfa Romeo. Formula E champion Nyck de Vries (or possibly Callum Ilott or Theo Pourchaire) would go into the other Alfa seat, with Antonio Giovinazzi off to Ferrari’s upcoming hypercar program in 2023. Alex Albon would replace Russell at Williams. I’d be surprised if all of this is true. At this rate I wouldn’t be totally surprised if Bottas stays at Mercedes.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on September 01, 2021, 09:39:23 AM
Man, I really hope Albon gets another chance at F1. I believe he could pull a Gasly and redeem himself. He also was a lot of fun to watch with his ballsy outside passes!
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 01, 2021, 01:00:28 PM
Raikkonen has just announced his retirement.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kimi-raikkonen-retirement-formula-1-2021/6658463/
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: 7/8 on September 08, 2021, 08:51:04 PM
I think the reason they didnít opt to run it Monday was because the marshals are volunteers, and while Monday was a bank holiday in some countries in Europe, Belgium wasnít one of them.

At any rate, silly season rumors are hitting full swing all of a sudden. According to journalist Dieter Rencken (https://racingnews365.com/russell-set-for-mercedes-switch-as-bottas-and-ilott-line-up-for-alfa-romeo-seats), George Russell is indeed getting the Mercedes seat, with Bottas replacing the retiring Kimi Raikkonen at Alfa Romeo. Formula E champion Nyck de Vries (or possibly Callum Ilott or Theo Pourchaire) would go into the other Alfa seat, with Antonio Giovinazzi off to Ferrariís upcoming hypercar program in 2023. Alex Albon would replace Russell at Williams. Iíd be surprised if all of this is true. At this rate I wouldnít be totally surprised if Bottas stays at Mercedes.

As of today, most of this has come true. :clap: Just waiting on the news for the second Alfa seat (Gio or someone else?).
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: formulanone on September 08, 2021, 09:19:53 PM
I started following F1 just after they stopped going to Zandvoort; even modified, it's nice to have a real racing track with some history back in the fold.

Good to see Albon get another shot in the piranha club.
Title: Re: Formula 1 racing chatter!
Post by: Takumi on September 08, 2021, 11:45:24 PM
I started following F1 just after they stopped going to Zandvoort; even modified, it's nice to have a real racing track with some history back in the fold.

Good to see Albon get another shot in the piranha club.

Zandvoort looks like a lot of fun to drive, and reminds me of some local back roads, but aside from Checo knifing through the field the racing left a bit to be desired.