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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #225 on: August 04, 2020, 07:53:57 AM »

It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.
I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.
Why don't they just go with Washington Washingtons temporarily?
It might offend all the people with the last name of Washington out there ;)

Washington Football Team might be offensive to actual football teams.
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #226 on: August 04, 2020, 09:08:47 AM »

It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.
I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.
I think a lot of media were referring to them as Washington in the past few years. Side note: when the CFL had a few teams in the States, the team in Baltimore was called the Baltimore Football Club for a while before becoming the Baltimore Stallions.

That was a slightly different situation because they had chosen a name—the Baltimore CFL Colts—but the NFL and the Indianapolis Colts obtained an injunction preventing them from using it on trademark infringement grounds. "Stallions" allowed them to use the same logo they had selected for use as the CFL Colts.
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #227 on: August 04, 2020, 09:38:15 AM »

It will be funny to see any game involving "the" Football Team, like if the other 31 NFL teams didn't exist at all. Yes, I consider "Football Team" to be the new monicker of the Washington, ahem, American football team :sombrero:.
I imagine announcers will just say "Giants vs. Washington" and, outside of discussion, refer to them as "Washington" throughout.
Why don't they just go with Washington Washingtons temporarily?
It might offend all the people with the last name of Washington out there ;)

Washington Football Team might be offensive to actual football teams.
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #228 on: August 04, 2020, 09:53:34 AM »

What I get tired of is the people who want to try to remove the name "Redskins" retroactively. It's completely correct to say, for example, that Darrell Green played his entire NFL career for the Redskins, or that the Redskins won three Super Bowls between 1982 and 1992. If you personally don't want to use the word "Redskins," that's fine, but don't go around purporting to "correct" someone else who doesn't object to it. It would, of course, technically be inaccurate to discuss who the Redskins' quarterback will be this coming season, but that's a different matter from discussing the past. (Sort of like the local NBA franchise. The Bullets won the NBA championship in 1978. They didn't change their name to "Wizards" for many years later, and the name change wasn't retroactive.)
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #229 on: August 04, 2020, 12:54:30 PM »

Actually, the team name I have heard that I think works wonderfully is Washington Redtails. It was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. The color scheme wouldn't need to change. Only the logo.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs...
The name Blackhawks is officially after an army division, 86th Inf. Division. Also, there was a Midwest local Native American Chief of the Sauk that it also honors. Chief Blackhawk was a significant Native American hero.

The Indians had changed the logo from Chief Wahoo. That was the most offensive thing that people wanted to change.

The Chiefs and Braves are a general honor term. What I think is offensive is people using the Tomahawk chop. That needs to go.
They're not Indians. They're not from India.

No African or descendant of is "black" either.
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #230 on: August 04, 2020, 01:57:47 PM »

Actually, the team name I have heard that I think works wonderfully is Washington Redtails. It was the nickname for the Tuskegee Airmen. The color scheme wouldn't need to change. Only the logo.

As for the Chicago Blackhawks, Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves and Kansas City Chiefs...
The name Blackhawks is officially after an army division, 86th Inf. Division. Also, there was a Midwest local Native American Chief of the Sauk that it also honors. Chief Blackhawk was a significant Native American hero.

The Indians had changed the logo from Chief Wahoo. That was the most offensive thing that people wanted to change.

The Chiefs and Braves are a general honor term. What I think is offensive is people using the Tomahawk chop. That needs to go.
They're not Indians. They're not from India.

No African or descendant of is "black" either.


I mean, whatever it takes to not give an inch right?
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #231 on: August 04, 2020, 02:29:00 PM »

As of May 1995...

Preference for racial or ethnic terminology:

Blacks
Black = 44.15%
African-American = 28.07%
all others = 27.78%

American Indians
American Indian = 49.76%
Native American = 37.35%
all others = 12.89%

I have no problem with the term "Indians" because that's how more of them refer to themselves than any other term.

Now, whether a team should be named after a particular race or ethnic group to begin with is another question entirely.  It would, after all, be strange to find a baseball team on the Navajo reservation called "The White Guys".
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #232 on: August 07, 2020, 12:19:22 AM »

As of May 1995...

Preference for racial or ethnic terminology:

Blacks
Black = 44.15%
African-American = 28.07%
all others = 27.78%

American Indians
American Indian = 49.76%
Native American = 37.35%
all others = 12.89%

I have no problem with the term "Indians" because that's how more of them refer to themselves than any other term.

Now, whether a team should be named after a particular race or ethnic group to begin with is another question entirely.  It would, after all, be strange to find a baseball team on the Navajo reservation called "The White Guys".
I can appreciate the decisions of the affected people over what well intentioned whites want to think, so I yield. But yeah, we can do better than naming teams after ethnicities.

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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #233 on: August 07, 2020, 12:43:14 AM »

I think this season is a stealth marketing trial balloon to unofficially remain the Redskins. People who didn’t care about the name will keep calling them the Redskins because “Washington Football Team” is clunky and awkward. Those who rejected Redskins will keep calling them Washington or “DC team” or whatever alternatives those people were already using.
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #234 on: August 07, 2020, 05:51:20 AM »

As of May 1995...

Preference for racial or ethnic terminology:

Blacks
Black = 44.15%
African-American = 28.07%
all others = 27.78%

American Indians
American Indian = 49.76%
Native American = 37.35%
all others = 12.89%

I have no problem with the term "Indians" because that's how more of them refer to themselves than any other term.

Now, whether a team should be named after a particular race or ethnic group to begin with is another question entirely.  It would, after all, be strange to find a baseball team on the Navajo reservation called "The White Guys".

So most Natives don’t use the term Indian. And regardless this time exactly a majority rules exercise.

Sounds like a perfect reason to get rid of it.
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #235 on: August 08, 2020, 01:17:53 PM »

As of May 1995...

Preference for racial or ethnic terminology:

Blacks
Black = 44.15%
African-American = 28.07%
all others = 27.78%

American Indians
American Indian = 49.76%
Native American = 37.35%
all others = 12.89%

I have no problem with the term "Indians" because that's how more of them refer to themselves than any other term.

Now, whether a team should be named after a particular race or ethnic group to begin with is another question entirely.  It would, after all, be strange to find a baseball team on the Navajo reservation called "The White Guys".

So most Natives don’t use the term Indian. And regardless this time exactly a majority rules exercise.

Sounds like a perfect reason to get rid of it.

Also, the term referred to in the study is "American Indian." Nowhere in the study does the term "Indian" stand by itself.

(Here's the study: https://www.census.gov/prod/2/gen/96arc/ivatuck.pdf)

Also also, that study is 25 YEARS OLD. I'd hardly consider that a current barometer.
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #236 on: August 11, 2020, 12:44:14 PM »

So most Natives don’t use the term Indian.

Most Indians don't use the term Native.
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #237 on: September 04, 2020, 03:28:51 PM »

So most Natives don’t use the term Indian.

Most Indians don't use the term Native.

And they're all wrong because the correct term is "indigenous American."  :D
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #238 on: February 01, 2021, 04:39:56 PM »

Just an idea...

If someone tries to rename Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium (or any of the other few remaining) to a corporate name, hundreds of thousands of fans can each chip in some money to prevent it from being renamed.

Is this a possibility, and how much is needed for this to work?
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #239 on: February 04, 2021, 04:21:15 PM »

Just an idea...

If someone tries to rename Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium (or any of the other few remaining) to a corporate name, hundreds of thousands of fans can each chip in some money to prevent it from being renamed.

Is this a possibility, and how much is needed for this to work?

The Packers have never even discussed renaming Lambeau Field.  They have sold naming rights to various parts of it (ie, the gates), but not the main structure nor the playing field as the fans would not go for that.

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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #240 on: February 04, 2021, 05:26:57 PM »

Just an idea...

If someone tries to rename Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium (or any of the other few remaining) to a corporate name, hundreds of thousands of fans can each chip in some money to prevent it from being renamed.

Is this a possibility, and how much is needed for this to work?

The Packers have never even discussed renaming Lambeau Field.  They have sold naming rights to various parts of it (ie, the gates), but not the main structure nor the playing field as the fans would not go for that.

Mike
It's not just the fans, its the community being minority owners.  The actually have a say in whether or not the stadium gets renamed. 
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Re: Stadium and team naming
« Reply #241 on: February 05, 2021, 09:18:25 PM »

Just an idea...

If someone tries to rename Fenway Park or Yankee Stadium (or any of the other few remaining) to a corporate name, hundreds of thousands of fans can each chip in some money to prevent it from being renamed.

Is this a possibility, and how much is needed for this to work?

I think it's just a matter of getting a location designated a National Historic Landmark and/or on the National Register of Historic Places.  Wrigley Field was just designated a historic landmark, and Fenway is on the NRHP.
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