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France Route Nationales (in development)
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:18:11 AM »

For changes that need to be made on fran routes before activation.

Routes can be found here: http://tm.teresco.org/devel/hb.php?sys=fran
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Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2015, 08:29:46 AM »

I'd like to start checking the system but I already have a question about N2...

It begins in the suburbs of Paris but according to Google Maps, OSM, MQOpenMap and Bing Map, it seems to begin at Boulevard Péripherique (48.900549,2.387842). Is there any reason why it should not begin at BP?

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Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2015, 05:46:19 PM »

Because I went by what routes.wikia.com have, because they have the official route. Seine St Denis shouldn't gain a load of N roads in Travel Mapping because the department cannot replace signs like the others all have!
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Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2016, 04:56:55 AM »

I've checked the whole system. My comments:

FRA N2 D138 should be renamed to D136 (wrong name)
FRA N2 D221 should be renamed to D231_W (wrong name)
FRA N2 D231 should be renamed to D231_E (see previous one)
FRA N2 new D2 (49.287466,3.167935)
FRA N2 D1 should be renamed to D1_S (see next one)
FRA N2 new D1_N (49.400529,3.367331)
FRA N2 new D51 (49.594154,3.659520)
FRA N2 new D63 (49.731352,3.754776)
FRA N2 D1029_E should be renamed to D1043 (wrong name)
FRA N2 D95e should be renamed to D195 (wrong name)

FRA N4 D212e is correct according to Bing but D20e according to GM and OSM
FRA N4 D2a!? Maybe it should be called RuePar
FRA N4 new D373_W (48.727219,3.686138)
FRA N4 D373 should be renamed to D373_E
FRA N4 D18 is D16 according to BM, GM and OSM
FRA N4 C4 should be renamed to D560
FRA N4 C should be renamed to RueMer

FRA N5 N78 should be renamed to D678 because there is no N78 in France
FRA N5 RouNoi: There is no street with this name, I would call it D29E1
FRA N5 D25: There is no D25 but D29, D415 and D1005. D25 is west of N5 but w/o direct connection

FRA N7 44 should be renamed to 43, I think the partial interchange 44 is not required
FRA N7 there's a new expressway section from Saint-Prix to Saint-Martin-Estreaux in service since 19th March 2014:
 - D990 should be relocated and renamed to 57 (46.2191583,3.6776733)
 - D26 should be removed
 - D420 should be renamed 58 (or D424)
 - new CheBri (46.204562,3.814466)
 
FRA N7Val CheMin: There's a Rue de l'Argentiere (GM,OSM) which is called Chemin de l'Argentiere on Bing --> RueArg or CheArg
FRA N7Val N82: There is no N82. N82 is the southern extension of another N7 segment; should be renamed to D519
FRA N7Val D4 should be renamed to D13 (BM,GM,OSM)

FRA N9 still exists b/n Pézenas and Béziers! (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_9) There's a gap on mapview if N9 is missing
 - N9 new A75_N (45.263530,3.200412)
 - N9 new N122  (45.251084,3.197107)
 - N9 new A75_S (45.241355,3.203931)

FRA N10Ven new D19 (47.939346,1.204891)
FRA N10Ven new D957P (47.771897,1.059536)

FRA N10 D43C should be renamed to D4C (wrong name)
FRA N10 D472 should be renamed to D742 (wrong name)
FRA N10 RueJBPor should be renamed to D92 (or D23)
FRA N10 RueBas should be renamed to D72
FRA N10 D142 should be renamed to D142_N (see next one)
FRA N10 ToD248 should be renamed to D142_S

FRA N12Ale A86; corresponding A86 waypoint N12 is at a different location (48.782013,2.162268); there's currently a gap on mapview
FRA N12Ale RouPave should be renamed to D112_E
FRA N12Ale new D45 (48.647811,0.755911)
FRA N12Ale D112 should be renamed to D112_W

FRA N13 new D62 (49.513632,-1.495186)
FRA E46 new D62 (49.513632,-1.495186)
FRA E3  new D62 (49.513632,-1.495186)

FRA N13Evr new D57e (49.013850,1.245403)

FRA N13Neu and N314 do currently have almost the same route but the waypoints are different. It looks quite strange on mapview with rg=fra. I'm not sure about the exact N314 route (I think it's just each a part of the western A14 feeders). For that reason, I don't want to make a suggestion how to modify the waypoints right now but it should be changed.

FRA N17 AveGli should be renamed to AvePaix (closer to the i/c)

FRA N19 D30 should be renamed to D307 (wrong name)
FRA N19 D3_E should be renamed to D200 (wrong name)

FRA N20 RueMar should be renamed to D2 or RueMai (wrong name)
FRA N20 RueOrgOrlu: There are different street names but no RueOrgOrlu; should be renamed to D22 (wrong name)
FRA E9 wrong waypoint order, should be: 192 (D30) - 194 (N20/N116) - 193 (D68) - 195 (N116_E) - 196 (FRA/ESP)

FRA N21 C301 should be renamed to C2
FRA N21 new D38 (44.986944,0.602746)
FRA N21 C201_W should be renamed to D13
FRA N21 C201_E should be replaced by D25 (44.703817,0.563263)

FRA N21Auc C121 should be replaced by D813 (44.175044,0.617938)
FRA N21Auc new D15 (44.068046,0.648279)
FRA N21Auc RueDup should be a hidden waypoint only (wrong name)
FRA N21Auc A64: I would move the waypoint to the bridge as usually because the gap looks quite strange on mapview; A64 (43.218930,0.016951)

FRA N520Lim 2nd N520 section in Limoges b/n A20 and N21 missing, please refer to http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_520! There's currently a strange gap on mapview
FRA N21Lim D11 should be renamed to N520 (see previous one)

FRA N25 D117 should be replaced by more important waypoint D31 (50.074810,2.324359)
FRA N25 new D8 (50.218119,2.578294)

FRA N31 new ToD94 (49.390149,2.075214)
FRA E46 new ToD94 (49.390149,2.075214)
FRA N31 waypoint 30 has no name in wpt file. Should be D901
FRA N31 new D55 (49.409737,2.339626)
FRA E46 new D55 (49.409737,2.339626)
FRA N31 RueEco should be renamed to D26_W (there's no RueEco)
FRA E46 RueEco should be renamed to D26_W (there's no RueEco)
FRA N31 new D36 (49.403280,2.745112)
FRA E46 new D36 (49.403280,2.745112)
FRA N31 new D805 (49.358731,3.324480), please refer to N2 which already contains this waypoint
FRA E46 new D805 (49.358731,3.324480), please refer to N2 which already contains this waypoint

FRA N33 new D26D (49.153460,6.708521)

FRA N41 RueEmiZola should be renamed to D952

FRA N42 new D215 (50.728367,1.907254)

FRA N43Sed D643 should be renamed to D764 (wrong name)

FRA E44 wrong waypoint order, please refer to data check error list

FRA N44 D44a should be renamed to D1 (wrong name)

FRA N47 new D145a (50.533367,2.834081)

FRA N51 RouBouFid should be renamed to D22

FRA N52Rom D47 should be renamed to D10 (wrong name)
FRA N52Rom new RueThi (49.263883,6.109385)
FRA N52Rom new D181 (49.240241,6.108076)
FRA N52Rom new D112c (49.228892,6.111252)
FRA N52Rom new D52 (49.211485,6.125071)

FRA N59 D590_Roan should be renamed to D259
FRA N59 new N420 (48.292387,6.930871)

FRA N61 N62 should be renamed to D662 (wrong name)
FRA E29 has the same route like N61 but waypoint names and locations are different! Should be the same but E29 with additional A4 waypoint

FRA N65 A6 waypoint is incorrect because the feeder is not N65 (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_65). But I like that there's no gap on mapview. It's similar at N59Sel but there's no waypoint at A35. Should N59Sel get an additional A35 waypoint or should the N65 A6 waypoint be removed? N201 is similar to N65.

FRA N66  new D35a (47.988837,6.621429)
FRA E512 new D35a (47.988837,6.621429)
FRA N66  D468 should be renamed to D486 (wrong name)
FRA E512 D468 should be renamed to D486 (wrong name)
FRA N66  new D141 (47.878268,7.018675)
FRA E512 new D141 (47.878268,7.018675)

FRA N67 RouJoi should be renamed and relocated to AveJeaPieTim (48.622754,4.993500)

FRA N77 RueTro should be renamed and removed to D334 (47.942164,3.732690)
FRA N77 D34 should be renamed to D43 (wrong name)
FRA N77 RueCha should be renamed and removed to D112 (48.043359,3.793137)
FRA N77 RueFon should be renamed to D1B
FRA N77 RueFlo should be renamed to D188
FRA N77 RuePaix should be renamed to D190
FRA N77 CheCar should be renamed to removed to D141 (48.257927,4.030737)

N85 new D1085B (45.083176,5.7459086)
N85 new D115B (44.960095,5.780063)
N85 new D115D (44.933882,5.781523)
N85 new D900B (44.546430,6.064340)

N85Dig RouNap should be renamed to RouMar (wrong name)
N85Dig D900 should be moved to 44.082529,6.217231 (wrong location)
N85Dig Cha  should be moved to 44.016613,6.252781 (wrong location)

N86 new D980 (44.176748,4.619718)

N88 RueNat should be renamed to D908 (wrong name)

N88Rod AveRod should be renamed to D216
N88Rod new D901 (44.363639,2.575006)
N88Rod 18 should be renamed to 17
N88Rod 17 should be a hidden waypoint because there's no interchange (I guess it has been removed with the duplication works which have been completed last March)

N90 new N994H (44.586570,6.513412)

N100 new BouMidi (43.949265,4.770791)

N106 new D982 (44.015456,4.155407)

N1104 new D401 (49.018367,2.583900)

N112 ends in Mazamet (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_112):
 - N112 new D65 (43.517746,2.309403)
 - N112 new D621_W (43.511016,2.334938)
 - N112 new D621_E (43.508285,2.351975)
 - N112 new D118 (43.506822,2.378368)

N116 RouLlo should be renamed to D33

N123 new D910 (48.416042,1.464271)

N124 D272 should be renamed to 17

N125 D125 should be renamed to D825 (wrong name)
N125 BedDes should be a hidden waypoint because there's no junction

N126 D612 should be renamed and relocated to BouMag (43.600726,2.234918)

N137 D163 should be renamed to D16 (wrong name)
N137 RueOrv should be renamed to D75

N137Roc ends at waypoint 5 south of Aytre (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_137)
 - waypoint 6 to 13 should be removed

N137Sai ends just west of N150 (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_137)
 - A10 should be renamed to A10/D137 (like E603)

N141 D57 should be renamed to D737 (wrong name)
N141 waypoint 30 to 57 are identical to E603 waypoint 33 to 59 and should have a similar name (E603 with (N141) suffix) but exactly the same location
N141 waypoint 44 is missing at E603 and should be added

N150 D136 should be renamed to D131 (wrong name)

N151 new D955 (47.097663,2.462997)
N151 new D38 (47.223211,3.111898)
N151 new D33 (47.335085,3.348748)

N154 new D1013 (49.015299,1.191287)
N154 D929 should be renamed to D20 (wrong name)
N154 new D929 (48.727966,1.388922)
N154 D121 should be renamed to D153.3 (wrong name)
N154 new D140 (48.643380,1.403321)
N154 new D26 (48.606411,1.420669)

N1569 new CheMas (43.499931,4.966705)

N162 N2162 should be renamed to D217E (wrong name)
N162 C6 should be renamed to D605 (wrong name)

N191 D117 should be renamed to D177 (wrong name)

N205 waypoint names and locations should be absolutely identical to E25Mtb waypoints 23-40 but it isn't.

N216 southern segment is A216 (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Autoroute_fran%C3%A7aise_A216). A216 route is currently not existing and should be added!

N244 D944 should be renamed to 28 (like E46 waypoint)
N244 new 28.1 (49.229958,4.068332; like E46 waypoint)

N2537 still exists and should be added (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_2537)
 - N2537 new N537 (46.163262,-1.194184)
 - N2537 new AveJeaGui (46.159877,-1.197536)

N282 D6015 should be moved to the same location like E5 waypoint (49.501733,0.189750)

N301 ends at A1 (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_301); waypoint 1 D30 should be removed

N316 new RouDun (51.020733,2.198295)
N316 new DunFry (51.020463,2.191139)

N338 D92 should be renamed to D94 (wrong name)

N346 11 should be renamed to A43

N356 1 should be renamed to A25

N410 N412 should be renamed to RueJul (wrong name; N412 does not exist)

N440 and N441 should be deleted because their route is part of A6 on mapview, they are parallel ramps only

N520 61 should be renamed to D200 (like at E603)
N520 59 should be renamed to N147 (like at E603)
N520 new RueAme (45.891057,1.280701)
E603 new RueAme (45.891057,1.280701)

N520Lim exists, it's a 2nd section (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_520; remained classified in 2006), please refer to N21
 - N520Lim new N21 (45.817195,1.252871)
 - N520Lim new D941 (45.826040,1.268008)
 - N520Lim new A20 (45.838607,1.281967)

N524 new D223E1 (44.515986,-0.239467)

N534 3 should have the same location like E713 waypoint (44.977641,4.966679)

N537 ends at the harbor (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_537)
 - new RueAlf (46.160297,-1.205320)



In addition, there are currently some French data check errors which should be corrected in combination with my comments.
I'd like to get a short response if some of my comments will not be applied. Just do understand why. Thanks in advance :).

I could check the remaining French in-dev systems like frht, glpn, gufn, ncle,... as soon as they'll have "preview" status. Please trigger me :).

What's about the Belgian preview systems belb and belr? Is there any reason why there's not yet a thread for reporting issues?

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Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2016, 06:46:49 AM »

Thanks michih, I'll look at those corrections later (I will say now that the N9 became A75 last year and I removed it from my files then - there is no gap, and if there was, the N9 would still be plugging it!).

Over the Holidays I have added the following N road systems in non-Metropolitan France. Routes will be found here: I also added territorial routes:
Routes will be found here: I also added the expressways of New Caledonia, which is a tier 2 system: http://tm.teresco.org/devel/hb.php?sys=ncle
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Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2016, 07:32:11 AM »

I will say now that the N9 became A75 last year and I removed it from my files then - there is no gap, and if there was, the N9 would still be plugging it!

There's still a 2km N9 segment through Massiac, please refer to wiki sara. There's currently a gap on mapview because N122 ends in the center of Massiac (map). I guess N9 is existing to avoid a gap in the main road network.

I'll start checking the other systems in the coming days.

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Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2016, 07:41:05 AM »

I have added the following N road systems in non-Metropolitan France
I also added territorial routes
I also added the expressways of New Caledonia

Why do they still have "devel" status? The other French N roads had "preview" status and I could use mapview to check the waypoints of the networks instead of route-dependent only. Is there any reason or could it be changed short-term?

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Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2016, 10:18:01 AM »

There's still a 2km N9 segment through Massiac
You are quite right - I will sort that!
Is there any reason or could it be changed short-term?
I wanted to double-check the routes were preview-ready by viewing them in-browser. They are - the issue is now that I merely haven't pushed the fix for that. Expect to see it soon.
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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2016, 10:45:50 AM »


Over the Holidays I have added the following N road systems in non-Metropolitan France. Routes will be found here:

Done.

First of all, GLP N2001 seems to exist in Petit-Bourg and(!) Capesterre-Belle-Eau (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Liste_des_routes_nationales_de_la_Guadeloupe)

GLP N1 D7_E should be renamed to D6 (wrong name, please refer to GM, BM, OSM)
GLP N1 N2001_S should be renamed to N2001_Cap_S
GLP N1 N2001_N should be renamed to N2001_Cap_N
GLP N1 D33 should be renamed to N2001_Pet_S (both are indicated but N2001 is more important)
GLP N1 D33_N should be renamed to N2001_Pet_N (both are indicated but N2001 is more important)
GLP N1 D24 is not indicated on GM, BM or OSM. Should be renamed to BouPorJar (what the hell is your source?)
GLP N1 D124 should be removed
GLP N1 D125 is not indicated on GM, BM or OSM. Should be renamed to BouRen

GLP N2 new D2 (16.005298,-61.739602)

GLP N3 new shaping point (15.998450,-61.726781) to avoid a conflict with N2003

GLP N4 D109_W should be D119_W (wrong name)
GLP N4 D109_E should be D119_E (wrong name)
GLP N4 D105 should be moved a little bit (16.223796,-61.389101); I recognized that map and satellite image are often different but it's correct here.

GLP N10 D24 is not indicated on GM, BM or OSM. Should be renamed to BouPorJar

GLP new N2001Pet
 - new D2001_Pet_N (16.196789,-61.605792)
 - new RouBelAir (16.193203,-61.590535)
 - new D2001_Pet_S (16.172679,-61.587939)

GLP N2003 D6 should be renamed and moved to RueLar (15.994309,-61.726051)

GLP N2004 D125 is not indicated on GM, BM or OSM. Should be renamed to AvePauVal


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Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2016, 02:29:02 PM »

    GUF N3 ends at a different location (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_3_%28973%29#Localisation)
     - new GraPort (4.855050,-52.272369)

    GUF N2001 RueLeonMine should be renamed and moved to D7 (5.376113,-52.957320)

    GUF N2001Kou route name wrong: N2002 (Kourou) --> N2001 (Kourou)

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    MTQ N1 CheGal should be renamed to D26
    MTQ N1 new RueBorMer (14.869172,-61.115950)

    MTQ N8 N5_N should be removed because N8 begins at N6 not at N5 (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_8_(972)#Trac.C3.A9_historique)

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    MYT N1 N2 should be renamed to D14
    MYT N1 new N2 (-12.778295,45.231894)

    MYT N2 N1 should be removed
    MYT N2 GraTerPetTerFry should be removed
    MYT N2 RuePom be renamed to N1
    MYT N2 new Sada (-12.851322,45.099048)

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    REU N1A new D100 (-21.074849,55.227885)
    REU N1A new D9 (-21.123130,55.263939)
    REU N1A new D11 (-21.185572,55.287172)

    REU N2 shaping point 27 should be moved to a real waypoint D3 (-21.117331,55.749950)
    REU N2 CheInd should be renamed and moved to D57 (-21.189853,55.822284)

    REU N3 new RuePar (-21.285635,55.515461)
    REU N3 new CheSal (-21.324138,55.475227)

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    FRH T10 new D71 (42.319589,9.540081)

    FRH T50 T50 waypoint should be renamed to T10

    FRH new T402 (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_territoriale_corse_402)
     - new T40_N (41.813994,8.960381)
     - new RouSep (41.675945,8.904145)
     - new T40_S (41.808877,8.957205)


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    PYT route names should be modified, please refer to http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Liste_des_routes_territoriales_en_Polyn%C3%A9sie_fran%C3%A7aise:
     - T1 to T33 should get suffix (Tahiti)
     - T91 should get suffix (Moorea)
     - ...
     - T456 should get suffix (Ua Pou)
     
    PYT T1 new AveTio (-17.546201,-149.579393) to avoid a conflict with T6

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    WLF T1 new shaping point (-13.301931,-176.236666)

    WLF T1Fut shaping point 6 should be a visible waypoint Tolo

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    Expressways of New Caledonia, which is a tier 2 system: http://tm.teresco.org/devel/hb.php?sys=ncle

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    Done :D

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    Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
    « Reply #10 on: January 02, 2016, 04:16:02 PM »

    I used the new stats page to get all French systems:

    fraa   France Motorways   Tier 1
    fran   France N Roads   Tier 4
    frht   Corsica T Roads   Tier 4
    glpn   Guadaloupe N Roads   Tier 4
    gufn   French Guiana N Roads   Tier 4
    mtqa   Martinique Motorways   Tier 1
    mtqn   Martinique N Roads   Tier 4
    mytn   Mayotte N Roads   Tier 4
    ncle   New Caledonia Expressways   Tier 4
    nclt   New Caledonia Territorial Roads   Tier 2
    pyft   French Polynesia T Roads   Tier 4
    reun   Reunion N Roads   Tier 4
    spmn   Sainte Pierre et Miquelon T Roads   Tier 4
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    Tier 1 and Tier 3 (E roads) are clear but why is nclt tier 2? I guess ncle should is a higher category compared to nclt, isn't it? If not, ncle should be tier 5 because I think nclt is the same category like the other tier 4 systems. Am I wrong?

    Edit: Sainte Pierre et Miquelon T Roads should be renamed to Sainte Pierre and Miquelon T Roads, Wallis et Futuna T Roads to Wallis and Futuna T Roads
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    Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
    « Reply #11 on: January 02, 2016, 04:30:40 PM »

    I put the 2 in the wrong place - will fix!
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    Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
    « Reply #12 on: January 03, 2016, 10:52:45 AM »

    FRA N21Auc A64: I would move the waypoint to the bridge as usually because the gap looks quite strange on mapview; A64 (43.218930,0.016951)
    I'm keeping it where the junction is, as is the case everywhere else.
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    FRA N65 A6 waypoint is incorrect because the feeder is not N65
    Consider it a bonus.
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    But I like that there's no gap on mapview.
    That's the reason I put it in.
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    It's similar at N59Sel but there's no waypoint at A35.
    Rather than being a motorway spur signed as the N road heading away from the autoroute (which I include as part of the N road should it end at the end of the trumpet spur even though I technically shouldn't) like the N65, N59Sel ends with a signed D road connecting it to the A35.
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    Should N59Sel get an additional A35 waypoint or should the N65 A6 waypoint be removed?
    No to both.
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    N201 is similar to N65.
    Actually, it's not - it's more akin to the N21, whereby it extends beyond the junction with the autoroute: I had the wrong route as it heads north of the A41/A43 trumpet.

    Also, while I have not got that far down, the A216 isn't included as it is unsigned, but is put into the N216 because it links that road to the motorway in a similar way to the trumpet to the N65. See also such things as the A14(M) and A195(M) in England - motorway sections of the road not signed with the motorway number and thus included in the A road (Tim had a problem with them as motorways, but not as A road bits).
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    Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
    « Reply #13 on: January 03, 2016, 06:57:03 PM »

    N216 southern segment is A216 (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Autoroute_fran%C3%A7aise_A216). A216 route is currently not existing and should be added!
    Neither route signed, propose adding it as 'Rocade Est du Calais' into the eursf system.
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    N2537 still exists and should be added (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_2537)
    Totally unsigned. Not including
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    N316 new RouDun (51.020733,2.198295)
    N316 new DunFry (51.020463,2.191139)
    Unsigned north of D601 (and not signed on the bypass of it). Not including.
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    N346 11 should be renamed to A43
    N356 1 should be renamed to A25
    Both are better as exit numbers. That the other motorway interchanges along the route haven't got numbers isn't justification for changing that.
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    N440 and N441 should be deleted because their route is part of A6 on mapview
    It's not - they ever so slightly don't match on the D31 point (N440's lon=2.395792, A6 lon=2.395793, N441 lon=2.395794) so they are not. I've moved the northern end of N441 to match reality better (it doesn't merge back in at its north end) anyway
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    they are parallel ramps only
    But are also signed N roads!
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    N520 61 should be renamed to D200 (like at E603)
    N520 59 should be renamed to N147 (like at E603)
    Relabelled E603 instead
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    N537 ends at the harbor (http://routes.wikia.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_537)
     - new RueAlf (46.160297,-1.205320)
    Unsigned, not including.
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    Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
    « Reply #14 on: January 04, 2016, 02:12:32 PM »

    Neither route signed
    Unsigned north of D601 (and not signed on the bypass of it). Not including.
    Unsigned, not including.

    How do you know that it's not signed?

    I reported it because I thought it's based on WikiSara:

    Because I went by what routes.wikia.com have, because they have the official route.

    Anyway, it's odd but ok. Thanks for your response.

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    Re: France Route Nationales (in development)
    « Reply #15 on: January 05, 2016, 04:25:17 AM »

    How do you know that it's not signed?
    Field check on them.
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    I reported it because I thought it's based on WikiSara:
    Yes, and no - WikiSara is a fallable source and there's also other rules beyond that. All known unsigned routes are discounted*. Routes like those in Seine St Denis that are signed but aren't official parts of the N road are treated as erroneous/old signage because those roads haven't been official N roads for over 20 years, and WikiSara is a useful source of information there.

    *I don't tend to go looking for proof of a road's signage unless I have suspicion (the pointless N2537 raised my eyebrows for that area due to OSM, etc not showing it, and the A216 was Tim back in 2009).
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