Pennsylvania

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PennDOT - District 8 News: Weekend Closure Scheduled on NB I-83 (South Bridge) in Harrisburg

(For I-80/US 220)  PennDOT - District 2 News: Early October Update for Local Interchange Project

PennDOT - District 11 News: Northbound I-79 Neville Island Bridge Weekend Closure October 8-11

(For US 322) PennDOT - District 2 News: PennDOT Announces Official Completion of Route 322/Potters Mills Gap Project

[noelbotevera]

(For US 322) PennDOT - District 2 News: PennDOT Announces Official Completion of Route 322/Potters Mills Gap Project

This was already done and I've driven it several times already. The most recent time I recall was in July, when I drove up to the Sheetz at PA 45/144. Unless they were working on tying old US 322 to the new road?

The next logical step is to connect this to Boalsburg, which should be a breeze - a few self storage businesses and a Harley-Davidson dealership. But it's PennDOT, which apparently thinks a bridge over the Susquehanna takes six (seven?) years to build.

Out of curiosity, when was the Walnut Street Bridge in Harrisburg closed to vehicle traffic? It definitely had to be before 1996, but I can't imagine two cars trying to pass each other on this. I suspect the bridge was one way traffic only (contraflow system maybe?) or just a pedestrian bridge to the west shore.

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(For US 322) PennDOT - District 2 News: PennDOT Announces Official Completion of Route 322/Potters Mills Gap Project

This was already done and I've driven it several times already. The most recent time I recall was in July, when I drove up to the Sheetz at PA 45/144. Unless they were working on tying old US 322 to the new road?

The next logical step is to connect this to Boalsburg, which should be a breeze - a few self storage businesses and a Harley-Davidson dealership. But it's PennDOT, which apparently thinks a bridge over the Susquehanna takes six (seven?) years to build. 

Yeah, they were still doing work along the Old US 322 alignment.  At least a section of it had been closed to traffic since the new alignment opened until recently.

Out of curiosity, when was the Walnut Street Bridge in Harrisburg closed to vehicle traffic? It definitely had to be before 1996, but I can't imagine two cars trying to pass each other on this. I suspect the bridge was one way traffic only (contraflow system maybe?) or just a pedestrian bridge to the west shore.

It was closed to vehicular traffic in 1972 after Agnes based on this link.  The part west of City Island was just a pedestrian bridge before it got destroyed by the floods in 1996.

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PennDOT - District 6 News: I-76 East (Schuylkill Expressway) Lane Closure at Night Next Week for ITS Repair in Lower Merion Township

[Bitmapped]

(For US 322) PennDOT - District 2 News: PennDOT Announces Official Completion of Route 322/Potters Mills Gap Project

This was already done and I've driven it several times already. The most recent time I recall was in July, when I drove up to the Sheetz at PA 45/144. Unless they were working on tying old US 322 to the new road?

The next logical step is to connect this to Boalsburg, which should be a breeze - a few self storage businesses and a Harley-Davidson dealership. But it's PennDOT, which apparently thinks a bridge over the Susquehanna takes six (seven?) years to build.

You have to maintain access for adjoining property owners. That means building frontage roads, or more likely here, building the road on a new alignment and keeping the existing road in place to serve local traffic.

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(For PA 152) PennDOT - District 6 News: Route 152 (Limekiln Pike) Lane Closure Begins Next Week for Final Bridge Construction Activities in Cheltenham, Abington Townships

Statewide:  PennDOT Accepting Unsolicited Public-Private Partnership Proposals Until October 31

PennDOT - District 6 News: PennDOT to Reopen Right Lane on I-76 West Ramp to U.S. 202/U.S. 422 Following Sinkhole Remediation in Upper Merion Township

[Alps]

Out of curiosity, when was the Walnut Street Bridge in Harrisburg closed to vehicle traffic? It definitely had to be before 1996, but I can't imagine two cars trying to pass each other on this. I suspect the bridge was one way traffic only (contraflow system maybe?) or just a pedestrian bridge to the west shore.

Traffic standards were not modern in 1976. You still have bridges like Washington's Crossing that are at most 20' wide and still 2-way.

[rickmastfan67]

(For US 322) PennDOT - District 2 News: PennDOT Announces Official Completion of Route 322/Potters Mills Gap Project

This was already done and I've driven it several times already. The most recent time I recall was in July, when I drove up to the Sheetz at PA 45/144. Unless they were working on tying old US 322 to the new road?

The next logical step is to connect this to Boalsburg, which should be a breeze - a few self storage businesses and a Harley-Davidson dealership. But it's PennDOT, which apparently thinks a bridge over the Susquehanna takes six (seven?) years to build. 

Yeah, they were still doing work along the Old US 322 alignment.  At least a section of it had been closed to traffic since the new alignment opened until recently.

Out of curiosity, when was the Walnut Street Bridge in Harrisburg closed to vehicle traffic? It definitely had to be before 1996, but I can't imagine two cars trying to pass each other on this. I suspect the bridge was one way traffic only (contraflow system maybe?) or just a pedestrian bridge to the west shore.

It was closed to vehicular traffic in 1972 after Agnes based on this link.  The part west of City Island was just a pedestrian bridge before it got destroyed by the floods in 1996.

StreetView has a good shot of the Historical placard on the Island side of the bridge: https://goo.gl/maps/8FNJKS25XTpceJLC7

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(For PA 381)  PennDOT - District 12 News: PennDOT Multimodal Project Named Finalist for Improving Accessibility at Ohiopyle State Park

(For PA 74/PA 641)  PennDOT - District 8 News: Route 74 Bridge over Letort Spring Run in Carlisle Borough, Cumberland County, Open to All Lanes

[roadman65]

I heard on FB that PA 576 is now open south of US 22 to I-79.  Has anyone been on it who lives nearby?

[rickmastfan67]

I heard on FB that PA 576 is now open south of US 22 to I-79.  Has anyone been on it who lives nearby?

I find that hard to believe to be honest, especially since they just had the open house today.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/10/09/pedestrian-bicycles-southern-beltway-preview/
(And the article says the 15th still for opening.)

Also: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2294.0

[roadman65]

I heard on FB that PA 576 is now open south of US 22 to I-79.  Has anyone been on it who lives nearby?

I find that hard to believe to be honest, especially since they just had the open house today.
https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/10/09/pedestrian-bicycles-southern-beltway-preview/
(And the article says the 15th still for opening.)

Also: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2294.0

I figured as much. That is why I asked.   People get overzealous and post photos just days before the actual openings.

[MASTERNC]

I heard on FB that PA 576 is now open south of US 22 to I-79.  Has anyone been on it who lives nearby?

It's supposed to open Friday, though not all ramps at I-79 will open this year.

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PennDOT - District 8 News: Reminder: NB I-83 (South Bridge) in Harrisburg to be Closed This Weekend

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PennDOT - District 10 News: Changes in Traffic Patterns for PA 28/US 322 in Brookville Borough and Pine Creek Township, Jefferson County

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PennDOT - District 8 News: Update: NB I-83 John Harris Memorial (South) Bridge in Harrisburg is Open to Traffic

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Wikipedia says that PA 235 has an unsigned concurrency with PA 17 and that they both end at US 11/15 in Liverpool

However when I pull the Perry County SLDs dated 12/31/20

Page 213 has SR 0235 ending at SR 0017.   I'd expect this anyway, since, for example, you'll see SR 0015 not really existing in these diagrams (as US 15 is entirely concurrent with US 11 in Perry County, so it will only be SR 0011).  In both cases, if PA 235 actually ended at PA 17, or if it didn't – the SR 0235 designation would end here, as PA 17 is a lower number of the same class, and so even a signed PA 17/235 concurrency would simply bear SR 0017.

Pages 253-254 have SR 0017 between SR 0235 and SR 0011 (US 11/15) but I can't tell how I would read if PA 235 is also existing (but not signed) along here.

Source:

https://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/Bureaus/BOMO/RM/RITS/Annual%20Electronic%20SLDs%20by%20County/District%208/Perry%20Without%20Pipes.pdf


On this note, are there any other weird hidden concurrencies in PA like this?   For the record, I am not talking about not-signed-but-obviously-implied ones like US 30/PA 23 along the Lancaster Bypass, but here – why would PA 235 be extended along PA 17 just to end and not continue after?

I emailed District 8 on this (thankfully because I added a reminder to my phone for an unrelated subject that led me to being reminded of it), and they indicated to me that the PA 17/PA 235 concurrency is a Type 10 Map Error meaning that it does not actually exist.  PA 235 ends at PA 17 as it should.

[storm2k]

Drove 80 end-to-end today. Someone needs to explain to PennDOT D1 how to properly do x-line height for the Clearview they sadly insist on doing. Too many signs have the lower case letters so small in comparison to their capitals that they're hard to read. I'll be some engineer didn't have the text settings right in SignCAD or whatever equivalent they use in PA, but ugh, the signs are ugly and hard to read.

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(For PA 8) PennDOT - District 1 News: Route 8 in Venango County Reopened as Reconstruction Project Enters the Final Phase of Work

[Alps]

Drove 80 end-to-end today. Someone needs to explain to PennDOT D1 how to properly do x-line height for the Clearview they sadly insist on doing. Too many signs have the lower case letters so small in comparison to their capitals that they're hard to read. I'll be some engineer didn't have the text settings right in SignCAD or whatever equivalent they use in PA, but ugh, the signs are ugly and hard to read.

Classic problem: lowercase letters are 3/4 height of uppercase, so they specify 12" capitals and 9" lower case and you get 27/4" lowercase instead. Every plan I ever review, I say "just give the upper case text height only". (Note it's not 3/4 in C***view but I refuse to acknowledge it)

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PennDOT - District 5 News: PennDOT Invites Public to Comment on I-78 Lenhartsville Bridge Replacement Project

[ARMOURERERIC]

As far as these proposed bridge tollings...they better have an air tight 75 guaranteed life span with no more than a 20-30 year toll.   Way to many on the proposed toll bridge list are way to new to be needing replacement.

[famartin]

As far as these proposed bridge tollings...they better have an air tight 75 guaranteed life span with no more than a 20-30 year toll.   Way to many on the proposed toll bridge list are way to new to be needing replacement.

I've always thought the "toll til its paid back" idea is mostly a bait and switch. They get used to it being tolled and then suddenly it needs more repairs or expansion which can only be funded by tolls.

Are there that many roads where they ever actually did as suggested, pay off the original bonds and then make it free? It seems more the exception than the norm.

[ARMOURERERIC]

The I 78 bridge here is only 36 years old, I would not trust an agency with tolling a new bridge when they did not do it right the last time.

As a digression, one never discussed aspect of the demise of the Pittsburgh trolley system was the conscious full knowlegde descision at the very beginning to build the system from 30 year life span parts paid for with 50 year bonds.   This seems like another such stunt.

[Roadsguy]

The I 78 bridge here is only 36 years old, I would not trust an agency with tolling a new bridge when they did not do it right the last time.

It's actually 66 years old; it was only rehabbed in 1985.