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[JayhawkCO]

Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).

Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.

|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.

My comment was meant more to be a remark on the production "precision" of edibles, not really to say that there is no baseline for which it wouldn't be safe to drive.  It affects everyone quite differently and obviously some people can do a lot more than I.  I wouldn't, however, refrain from running a quick errand or something if I had taken a small puff, waited maybe 30 minutes to determine its effect, and then proceeded.  It affects you quite differently than alcohol where alcohol "catches up with you".  Vapor or smoke will affect you at its peak efficacy almost instantly.

Chris

[jakeroot]

My office building opened in 1992, and had small ashtrays in the bathrooms.  Smoking was banned inside a year or two later.  Those ashtrays, part of the toilet paper assembly, remained until last decade when they remodeled.

The thought of someone smoking whilst using the toilet is amusing, to say the least.

My grandma tells me about smoking in grocery stores. That's another place that seem like the worst place to smoke, since that smell would infiltrate the food I would think.

Back in 1996 I went into a Hardee's in eastern North Carolina, I think in Kenansville because I was in that area on business, and I found there was a single table designated as the non-smoking "section." I, of course, sat at that table. You would have thought I was a toad rapist or something the way the other people in the restaurant were giving me the stink eye for sitting there.

I seem to recall visiting some restaurants here in Washington where some tables had no smoking signs, but not others. I guess when the law banned smoking indoors (apart from casinos), rather than remove the signs they just didn't implement them any further. I'm sure whatever ones I can recall have since disappeared.

[kphoger]

My comment was meant more to be a remark on the production "precision" of edibles, not really to say that there is no baseline for which it wouldn't be safe to drive.  It affects everyone quite differently and obviously some people can do a lot more than I.  I wouldn't, however, refrain from running a quick errand or something if I had taken a small puff, waited maybe 30 minutes to determine its effect, and then proceeded.  It affects you quite differently than alcohol where alcohol "catches up with you".  Vapor or smoke will affect you at its peak efficacy almost instantly.

I can easily imagine finishing dinner, then taking a single shot of Amaretto after dessert, and then getting in the car to drive away–behind the wheel within ten minutes of the drink.  But I have a hard time imagining that single shot of liquor to have such a large and unexpected consequence.

I wasn't so much saying there can't be a legal driving threshold for marijuana use, but that–if things can be that variable–I'm hesitant.

[JayhawkCO]

My comment was meant more to be a remark on the production "precision" of edibles, not really to say that there is no baseline for which it wouldn't be safe to drive.  It affects everyone quite differently and obviously some people can do a lot more than I.  I wouldn't, however, refrain from running a quick errand or something if I had taken a small puff, waited maybe 30 minutes to determine its effect, and then proceeded.  It affects you quite differently than alcohol where alcohol "catches up with you".  Vapor or smoke will affect you at its peak efficacy almost instantly.

I can easily imagine finishing dinner, then taking a single shot of Amaretto after dessert, and then getting in the car to drive away–behind the wheel within ten minutes of the drink.  But I have a hard time imagining that single shot of liquor to have such a large and unexpected consequence.

I wasn't so much saying there can't be a legal driving threshold for marijuana use, but that–if things can be that variable–I'm hesitant.

I'm not in disagreement with you.  I just know for me, metabolizing in my stomach is more random than inhaling.  Inhaling, I feel like I have the wherewithal to understand my abilities, where an edible would make me not even think about driving for at least 2-3 hours.  Either way, I think maybe I've made a McDonald's run maybe once ever after having partaken, and I made sure it was a very minimal effect when I did.  I understand if others wouldn't even be phased by more, but for me, that was plenty.  Like I said upthread, it's an "at home when it's late" kind of activity for me, so no driving required.

Chris

[jeffandnicole]

Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).

Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.

|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.

Eh, I think if you have any alcohol in your system, you shouldn't be driving...

And yet, most bars and restaurants serving alcohol are in commercial zones, often far removed from residential zones. 

[LM117]

I also worked in bowling alleys in my youth, back when smoking was so common inside you could barely see from one end to the other when all 44 lanes of my bowling center were being used.  The second-hand smoke I was taking in was insane.

I only ever witnessed smoking indoors outside of WA (where it seems to have been banned for a long time): in bars in St Louis County, MO, where I spent several summers in the late 2000s/early 2010s, as well as in Texas at some restaurants (Chilis in particular), where I was taken aback at the "smoking or non-smoking" question. Sorry, but does smoke only stay on one side of restaurants? Because last I checked, it's the same air.

Back in 1996 I went into a Hardee's in eastern North Carolina, I think in Kenansville because I was in that area on business, and I found there was a single table designated as the non-smoking "section." I, of course, sat at that table. You would have thought I was a toad rapist or something the way the other people in the restaurant were giving me the stink eye for sitting there.

I spent 14 years in eastern NC (1995-2009), two of which were in Warsaw (1998-2000), and this doesn't surprise me a bit. The smokers there typically don't care whether or not someone else doesn't smoke, but they do NOT like having separate areas for smokers & non-smokers.

That said, if you were new to that area, I'd wager that had a bigger factor on the stink eye. I found out firsthand that people in Duplin County are very tight-knit and are not very welcoming to "outsiders". We moved there from Wayne County next door, and we got the cold shoulder as if we moved in from another state. That's why we moved back over the county line after only 2 years. Fuck Duplin County.

[Rothman]

I have never smoked.

And, 1 out of 4 adults being smokers in WV is still a much smaller percentage than when I was a kid and a tiny fraction of when Boomers were kids.

[Scott5114]

Precisely what I was saying. After all, alcohol is legal, but that does not condone drinking and driving. It should be the same with psychoactive drugs (no driving while intoxicated).

Except that it's legal to drink and drive–so long as your BAC isn't above a certain level.

|jayhawkco| only had the one "not strong" edible, and the resulting effect was that he briefly passed out ten minutes later.

The Oklahoma regulations for marijuana flower (i.e. smokable marijuana, not edibles, since that's the part of the industry I'm in and thus know the regulations for offhand) require that a grower supply a small sample of each harvest batch to a licensed laboratory that issues a Certificate of Analysis that declares THC and CBD content, terpenes present (the various chemicals that control taste and influence specific physical and mental effects), and general safety for consumption. The problem is, however, a harvest batch is simply a batch of plants of the same strain all harvested at once, up to ten pounds of bud. Since plants grown from seed (rather than cloned from trimmings) are all going to have unique genetics, and each plant will be subject to slightly different growing conditions (might be right under a light or off to the side, might be closer to the door/air vent/fan or farther away from one) each plant's output will be subtly different, and even buds on the same plant may differ because some are from high up the stem and others grew in the shade of other branches. So you can't necessarily depend on the COA to be 100% representative of the exact material you get.

I've only skimmed the processor section, as I'm not in that part of the industry, but from what I remember their testing requirements are somewhat the same. It is also possible that THC distillate may not be uniformly mixed into an edible product, such that different portions of the same edible have differing effects (e.g. a chocolate bar certified as 20% THC might well have 10% on one end and 30% on the other).

[Duke87]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I never have, and among other men I know I'm definitely not alone... but I am in the minority, sure. That said, if you specify "have never smoked a cigarette" then that is definitely true of most men I know. It is far more commonplace for someone to have smoked an occasional cigar, or cannabis.

[tolbs17]

Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...

[Max Rockatansky]

Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...

Lower the drinking age to 18 and make nicotine Schedule I Narcotic.  Legalize Cannabis or at least bump it down to a more reasonable Schedule III-V. 

[Roadgeekteen]

Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...

Everyone drinks underage anyway so might as well.

[Max Rockatansky]

Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...

Everyone drinks underage anyway so might as well.

I used to drink legit in Quebec at 18 and Ontario at 19.  But I would be remiss to say I've been drinking consistently since I was 13.  I had my first beer with my older brother at the age of 9 (he was 16). 

[Rothman]

But I would be remiss to say I've been drinking consistently since I was 13. 

Lush.

[Max Rockatansky]

But I would be remiss to say I've been drinking consistently since I was 13. 

Lush.

My Dad sure thought so for awhile.  Oddly outside of a handful of times I haven't really "binge drank"  or had much in the way of hangovers.  Usually 3-5 drinks is enough for me, after that I just get sleepy.

[dlsterner]

Lower the smoking age back to 18! As well as drinking...

Everyone drinks underage anyway so might as well.

I used to drink legit in Quebec at 18 and Ontario at 19.  But I would be remiss to say I've been drinking consistently since I was 13.  I had my first beer with my older brother at the age of 9 (he was 16).

I drank legitimately at 18 as well - Turned 18 while living in Florida, which had the minimum drinking age at 18 from (I believe) 1973 to 1980.  Just in time for my freshman year at college.  (As with most people, my first drink actually came earlier than that)   

[tolbs17]

People are against the rules of drinking and smoking. I think they made a mistake when they rose the smoking age to 21.

[allniter89]

The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.

From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to.  I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?

At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly.  The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.

Yeah, I can understand bars not liking indoor smoking bans.

I've heard it takes 4 hrs to get off on edibles, true??

[zachary_amaryllis]

I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco...  Just because of the smell.

you.....

..... might be onto something there.

[Max Rockatansky]

I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco...  Just because of the smell.

you.....

..... might be onto something there.

Marijuana smells just as bad as tobacco (at least I think so), it saturates everything all the same.  I can always tell when someone smokes marijuana in their house or car. 

[JayhawkCO]

The problem with edibles is you never know what you're going to get.

From what I've heard, it's also really easy to take more than you intend to.  I mean, who doesn't love to wolf down a bunch of cookies?

At my first restaurant job I ever had, I worked the smoking section fairly regularly.  The tips were better because turns out that those who smoke tended to drink more and order more appetizers.

Yeah, I can understand bars not liking indoor smoking bans.

I've heard it takes 4 hrs to get off on edibles, true??

Depends on how you're defining "get off".  The onset is variable, and then normally I cease feeling anything after a couple of hours.

Chris

[Mapmikey]

My point is that I think it's fairly rare for a man to have never smoked anything at all–not even once.  To wit, I think I can count on one h and the number of others on here who have said they never have either.

I never have, and among other men I know I'm definitely not alone... but I am in the minority, sure. That said, if you specify "have never smoked a cigarette" then that is definitely true of most men I know. It is far more commonplace for someone to have smoked an occasional cigar, or cannabis.

Count me among the few who have never smoked anything.  I'm old enough where second-hand smoke was everywhere when I was growing up.  Holds zero appeal to me.

I also don't drink but I have at least tried it.  Don't care for the taste of alcohol at all.  It's all I taste, even when the alcohol content is low like wine or sangria.

Being unsober in any capacity also holds zero appeal for me.

[kkt]

I've joked for years that they should legalize marijuana and outlaw tobacco...  Just because of the smell.

I don't like the smell of either of them, but marijuana seems to be the worse of the two.

[Jim]

Pretty much what Mapmikey said applies to me.  I've never smoked anything (first hand) and have no desire to do so and avoid second hand smoke or its stale residue as much as possible.  I don't drink at all, other than a few sips participating in a toast at a wedding or something like that.  I've really disliked the feeling after taking even small doses of painkillers prescribed to me after surgeries and don't see why I'd want to induce similar sensations by choice.

I have been checking in on this thread occasionally and have been amused by some of the "man card" criteria that were mentioned.  If one needed to change his own car's oil to qualify, those cards would be very hard to come by among the men I know..

[kkt]

I have changed my own oil, but I found that since shops buy their oil wholesale and dispose of it wholesale I was paying as much to do it myself as I was by having it done.