Control Cities

[JayhawkCO]

Again, and maybe I'm the only one thinking this way, but I was asking about "For a given highway that has control city x, how far away is the closest point that that highway gets to city x", and trying to maximize that.  It's not about how far away it's signed; it's about how close (or how far away) that city is from the highway in question. 

It looks like the closest I-255 gets to Tulsa city limits is 370 miles away, which would make this the current winner.

Chris

[SkyPesos]

Again, and maybe I'm the only one thinking this way, but I was asking about "For a given highway that has control city x, how far away is the closest point that that highway gets to city x", and trying to maximize that.  It's not about how far away it's signed; it's about how close (or how far away) that city is from the highway in question. 

It looks like the closest I-255 gets to Tulsa city limits is 385 miles away, which would make this the current winner.

Chris

How is it 385 from I-255 compared to 365 from I-270? I-270 at I-255 is exit 1, and is exit 5 at I-44, so at most, I-255 is 5 miles farther away from Tulsa than I-270 is.

[JayhawkCO]

Again, and maybe I'm the only one thinking this way, but I was asking about "For a given highway that has control city x, how far away is the closest point that that highway gets to city x", and trying to maximize that.  It's not about how far away it's signed; it's about how close (or how far away) that city is from the highway in question. 

It looks like the closest I-255 gets to Tulsa city limits is 385 miles away, which would make this the current winner.

Chris

How is it 385 from I-255 compared to 365 from I-270? I-270 at I-255 is exit 1, and is exit 5 at I-44, so at most, I-255 is 5 miles farther away from Tulsa than I-270 is.

Looks like my mark for entering Tulsa moved when I set the origin in Google Maps.  (I had it set on the far east side of town and then it moved the destination to downtown). I-255 is 370 miles away.  I'll update my other post.

Chris

[Occidental Tourist]

The I-255 example beats I-405 and its Sacramento control city by a distance of 17 miles (353). It beats the Hollywood Freeway (CA-170) and its Sacramento control city by 11 miles (359).

[US20IL64]

Reason for Los Angeles on I-40 is that it was once US 66 to LA. The "general" direction for long distance travelers.

OTOH, since Rockford is used all over Chicago area, then I-57 would get Champaign IL as "south" since it is major IL city/metro, and may challenge Rockford's area census.

Another odd one was when the south I-355 extension first opened, from I-80 the control sign simply said "Suburbs". Spokesperson said "we can't pick one, or else others will get upset". Now says "Northwest Suburbs" and "Southwest Suburbs". Other parts of 355 south say either SW Burbs or Joliet.

[hobsini2]

290 will never get "deleted". It's 90's child and Ike X-Way is of the original 1956 Interstates. To locals, 88 is the Tollway, and it ends at 290, case closed. 88 is also a 'child route' of 80 and 90, no preferential treatment. And I-188? Really? No thanks.

Also, smaller burbs are not control cities, Elmhurst is only 45k vs. Aurora at near 200k. Can even use Naperville, at 150k. I see Elgin as a future control city since it is now 6th largest in IL, vs. Rockford, but too many signs to change.

Elgin should be at the very least a secondary control city.

[TheStranger]

290 will never get "deleted". It's 90's child and Ike X-Way is of the original 1956 Interstates.

Though the Eisenhower does date back to the 1950s, it was mainline 90 until 1978 if I'm not mistaken.  Though that means the 290 designation has now existed for 43 years.

(As a comparison, the former I-80N in Iowa had been an extension of Nebraska's I-680 since the 1970s but was given an independent identity again a couple of years ago as I-880, so even long-standing designations are subject to change once in a while)

[Flint1979]

290 will never get "deleted". It's 90's child and Ike X-Way is of the original 1956 Interstates.

Though the Eisenhower does date back to the 1950s, it was mainline 90 until 1978 if I'm not mistaken.  Though that means the 290 designation has now existed for 43 years.

(As a comparison, the former I-80N in Iowa had been an extension of Nebraska's I-680 since the 1970s but was given an independent identity again a couple of years ago as I-880, so even long-standing designations are subject to change once in a while)

It was indeed I-90 until 1978. It surprises me that Chicago has an expressway named after a Republican too.

[hotdogPi]

It surprises me that Chicago has an expressway named after a Republican too.

The parties were still mostly switched compared to now at the time of the Eisenhower administration. He isn't seen the same way current Republicans would be.

[ilpt4u]

290 will never get "deleted". It's 90's child and Ike X-Way is of the original 1956 Interstates.

Though the Eisenhower does date back to the 1950s, it was mainline 90 until 1978 if I'm not mistaken.  Though that means the 290 designation has now existed for 43 years.

(As a comparison, the former I-80N in Iowa had been an extension of Nebraska's I-680 since the 1970s but was given an independent identity again a couple of years ago as I-880, so even long-standing designations are subject to change once in a while)

It was indeed I-90 until 1978. It surprises me that Chicago has an expressway named after a Republican too.

Pretty sure Blago was Governor when he had the Tollway and IDOT rename I-88 as the Ronald Reagan Tollway (Toll section)/Expressway (Free section). Never gets in the city, but does stretch across Northern IL

[hbelkins]

290 will never get "deleted". It's 90's child and Ike X-Way is of the original 1956 Interstates.

Though the Eisenhower does date back to the 1950s, it was mainline 90 until 1978 if I'm not mistaken.  Though that means the 290 designation has now existed for 43 years.

(As a comparison, the former I-80N in Iowa had been an extension of Nebraska's I-680 since the 1970s but was given an independent identity again a couple of years ago as I-880, so even long-standing designations are subject to change once in a while)

It was indeed I-90 until 1978. It surprises me that Chicago has an expressway named after a Republican too.

Pretty sure Blago was Governor when he had the Tollway and IDOT rename I-88 as the Ronald Reagan Tollway (Toll section)/Expressway (Free section). Never gets in the city, but does stretch across Northern IL

Makes sense, since I-88 comes close to Reagan's hometown.

Sometimes road namings transcend politics. It was a D governor (Paul Patton) who changed the name of the Daniel Boone Parkway in Kentucky to be named after Hal Rogers, a R congressman. And I think Patton was also the governor who had Louie Nunn's name added to the Cumberland Parkway.

[Flint1979]

290 will never get "deleted". It's 90's child and Ike X-Way is of the original 1956 Interstates.

Though the Eisenhower does date back to the 1950s, it was mainline 90 until 1978 if I'm not mistaken.  Though that means the 290 designation has now existed for 43 years.

(As a comparison, the former I-80N in Iowa had been an extension of Nebraska's I-680 since the 1970s but was given an independent identity again a couple of years ago as I-880, so even long-standing designations are subject to change once in a while)

It was indeed I-90 until 1978. It surprises me that Chicago has an expressway named after a Republican too.

Pretty sure Blago was Governor when he had the Tollway and IDOT rename I-88 as the Ronald Reagan Tollway (Toll section)/Expressway (Free section). Never gets in the city, but does stretch across Northern IL

Yep because it was named for Reagan right after his death and it makes sense as it passes somewhat near his birthplace in Tampico and goes by his boyhood hometown of Dixon. But I'm thinking it was named for him out that way because of his roots in the area. Blago was the governor from 2003-2009 so he was indeed in office at the time.

[jaehak]

Not sure if this counts for farthest a road comes from a place it's signed for thing, but if it does it may be the winner. Memphis is signed on Stony Island Avenue in Chicago (which does not directly connect to 57), so 523 miles.

I looked for some that I thought may be good, but from what I could see, Reno is never mentioned on 215 in SLC other than with the junction with 80, Billings is never mentioned on 194 in Bismarck until the junction with 94, 410 in San Antonio seems like it would be signed for El Paso off of 35 but it's never signed for anything at all (that I could find, at least), and 194 in Rapid City never mentions Sioux Falls until meeting 94.

[TheStranger]

Not sure if this counts for farthest a road comes from a place it's signed for thing, but if it does it may be the winner. Memphis is signed on Stony Island Avenue in Chicago (which does not directly connect to 57), so 523 miles.

I looked for some that I thought may be good, but from what I could see, Reno is never mentioned on 215 in SLC other than with the junction with 80, Billings is never mentioned on 194 in Bismarck until the junction with 94, 410 in San Antonio seems like it would be signed for El Paso off of 35 but it's never signed for anything at all (that I could find, at least), and 194 in Rapid City never mentions Sioux Falls until meeting 94.

There is a 1970s photo of I-80N (now I-84) at its eastern terminus at I-80 being signed for Portland and I-80 being signed for San Francisco from that spot:
https://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=UT19570801&view=1


At that point, 80 is 780 miles from San Francisco and what is now 84 is 774 miles from Portland.

[bassoon1986]

Not sure if this counts for farthest a road comes from a place it's signed for thing, but if it does it may be the winner. Memphis is signed on Stony Island Avenue in Chicago (which does not directly connect to 57), so 523 miles.

I looked for some that I thought may be good, but from what I could see, Reno is never mentioned on 215 in SLC other than with the junction with 80, Billings is never mentioned on 194 in Bismarck until the junction with 94, 410 in San Antonio seems like it would be signed for El Paso off of 35 but it's never signed for anything at all (that I could find, at least), and 194 in Rapid City never mentions Sioux Falls until meeting 94.

I was looking in San Antonio, too. None of Texas 3di's really have a control city. Other then DFW Airport on 635 and an occasional suburb pull through on 610.

I thought maybe I would have luck on El Paso's Loop 375 but there are none. If there were I imagine they would say Van Horn like I-10 shows there going east. West from San Antonio it's only El Paso.


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[bassoon1986]

Found a good Texas example. I-20 west on Elmdale Rd overpass just east of Abilene has the first pull through for El Paso. Google Maps says 460 miles to El Paso from there and 20 ends well before that point.


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[US 89]

There is a 1970s photo of I-80N (now I-84) at its eastern terminus at I-80 being signed for Portland and I-80 being signed for San Francisco from that spot:
https://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=UT19570801&view=1

At that point, 80 is 780 miles from San Francisco and what is now 84 is 774 miles from Portland.

Not relevant though as both highways reached their respective destinations.

I looked for some that I thought may be good, but from what I could see, Reno is never mentioned on 215 in SLC other than with the junction with 80

For a long time, this was posted westbound at the south interchange with I-15...



...however, more recent imagery shows it is no longer there.

Salt Lake still has some good candidates though - if trailblazers don't count, then SR 201 is signed for both Reno and Cheyenne from northbound I-215:

[US20IL64]

I still think using Limon CO on I-70 is 

At least AZ added Mesa to US-60 east signs, instead of just Globe. Who goes there specifically?

[SkyPesos]

At least AZ added Mesa to US-60 east signs, instead of just Globe. Who goes there specifically?

At least Globe have a hospital, which is already more than you can say about Limon.

[Flint1979]

US-70 ends there so you have that too.

[US20IL64]

Or "US 60 East, Mesa-Apache Jct"? 

[Occidental Tourist]

At least AZ added Mesa to US-60 east signs, instead of just Globe. Who goes there specifically?

At least Globe have a hospital, which is already more than you can say about Limon.

Limon has an Arby's AND a Taco Bell.

[Roadgeekteen]

I still think using Limon CO on I-70 is 

At least AZ added Mesa to US-60 east signs, instead of just Globe. Who goes there specifically?

Globe is interesting. Did they use it because it was out of the metro area?

[US20IL64]

I still think using Limon CO on I-70 is 

At least AZ added Mesa to US-60 east signs, instead of just Globe. Who goes there specifically?

Globe is interesting. Did they use it because it was out of the metro area?

One time US-60 east had "East Valley Cities" as a control.

[SkyPesos]

I still think using Limon CO on I-70 is 

At least AZ added Mesa to US-60 east signs, instead of just Globe. Who goes there specifically?

Globe is interesting. Did they use it because it was out of the metro area?

One time US-60 east had "East Valley Cities" as a control.

That sounds almost as bad and vague as "other Desert Cities" on I-10. almost...