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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #100 on: March 02, 2021, 06:21:21 PM »

Thing is the motoring public doesnít care if Caltrans maintains Rice or not.  A couple CA 1 shields would be more than sufficient on Rice or even the old alignment on Oxnard, who cares who maintains the actual road surface outside of us in the road world?  It is bizarre to me why out here this is such an alien concept when itís common in other states (especially out east).

I think most of us on this forum would like to see the signage on the roads - it is Caltrans and other goverment groups (city, county) that will not do so adequately.
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #101 on: March 02, 2021, 06:32:00 PM »

Thing is the motoring public doesnít care if Caltrans maintains Rice or not.  A couple CA 1 shields would be more than sufficient on Rice or even the old alignment on Oxnard, who cares who maintains the actual road surface outside of us in the road world?  It is bizarre to me why out here this is such an alien concept when itís common in other states (especially out east).

I think most of us on this forum would like to see the signage on the roads - it is Caltrans and other goverment groups (city, county) that will not do so adequately.

Heh, I should do my own variation of an Auto Club (this is total sarcasm) and see if these agencies will pay me post signage like the old days when the DOH didnít want to do it.  Iíll even throw in continuity for CA 34 and CA 232.
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #102 on: March 02, 2021, 07:28:20 PM »

Thing is the motoring public doesnít care if Caltrans maintains Rice or not.  A couple CA 1 shields would be more than sufficient on Rice or even the old alignment on Oxnard, who cares who maintains the actual road surface outside of us in the road world?  It is bizarre to me why out here this is such an alien concept when itís common in other states (especially out east).
They should not have removed 1 trailblazers along Oxnard until Rice was fully adopted.

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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #103 on: March 02, 2021, 07:41:52 PM »

Thing is the motoring public doesnít care if Caltrans maintains Rice or not.  A couple CA 1 shields would be more than sufficient on Rice or even the old alignment on Oxnard, who cares who maintains the actual road surface outside of us in the road world?  It is bizarre to me why out here this is such an alien concept when itís common in other states (especially out east).
They should not have removed 1 trailblazers along Oxnard until Rice was fully adopted.

Amusingly it shows up as Route 1 in the Postmile Tool.   
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #104 on: March 02, 2021, 10:23:21 PM »

I bet that nothing will get done as far as signage goes until the Rice Ave/CA-34 interchange becomes a bridge/freeway-style exit over the train tracks.
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #105 on: March 03, 2021, 02:17:31 AM »

I wish it would get upgraded to a freeway to the 101.
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #106 on: March 03, 2021, 10:31:01 AM »

I wish it would get upgraded to a freeway to the 101.

Doubtful -- Ventura County's part of D7, and after CA 71 is finished through Pomona, don't expect to see a single inch of new freeway in that district except for out in the desert (and even that's a crapshoot!).  They'll do the RR separation w/ramps at CA 34, but it'll remain a 4-or-5-lane arterial for quite some time to come. 
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #107 on: March 04, 2021, 12:21:24 AM »

Yep.  Too many driveways.  It couldnít be realistically upgraded to even an expressway without massive and expensive eminent domain.
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #108 on: March 04, 2021, 03:32:54 AM »

Yep.  Too many driveways.  It couldnít be realistically upgraded to even an expressway without massive and expensive eminent domain.

The only potential alternative would be a new-terrain freeway -- but my comments about D7 stand; that won't be happening in the foreseeable future.  Besides, the area traversed is either high-ticket agriculture (mostly fruits and vegetables in that part of the county) or current/future housing.  Besides, a freeway emptying out onto the 2/3-lane PCH is a tad gratuitous; the existing freeway section along the original CA 1 alignment dates from Alternate US 101 days, with deployment preceding the introduction of the California Freeway & Expressway System by a year or two.  At that time Oxnard was a sleepy little agricultural town of about 25K; IIRC a bypass around the eastern side of town was planned (the usual DOH/Caltrans "circular lines" indicating a general but unadopted alignment) but obviously never saw any follow-through.  And even a casual observer or visitor to the coastline to the southeast would quickly realize that the Malibu/Point Dume section of CA 1 will never, ever see freeway development (onshore or off!).
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #109 on: March 04, 2021, 04:39:07 AM »

  At that time Oxnard was a sleepy little agricultural town of about 25K; IIRC a bypass around the eastern side of town was planned (the usual DOH/Caltrans "circular lines" indicating a general but unadopted alignment) but obviously never saw any follow-through.

Isn't Rice Avenue essentially that eastern bypass, much in the same way Cosumnes River Boulevard going towards Freeport is an adaptation of the Route 148 corridor (in Sacramento) and Richmond Parkway is functionally an adaptation of the planned Route 93?

IIRC something similar occurred with the planned Route 126 connector between I-5 and Route 14, built out as a unnumbered boulevard. 
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #110 on: March 04, 2021, 08:34:25 PM »

  At that time Oxnard was a sleepy little agricultural town of about 25K; IIRC a bypass around the eastern side of town was planned (the usual DOH/Caltrans "circular lines" indicating a general but unadopted alignment) but obviously never saw any follow-through.

Isn't Rice Avenue essentially that eastern bypass, much in the same way Cosumnes River Boulevard going towards Freeport is an adaptation of the Route 148 corridor (in Sacramento) and Richmond Parkway is functionally an adaptation of the planned Route 93?

IIRC something similar occurred with the planned Route 126 connector between I-5 and Route 14, built out as a unnumbered boulevard.

It kind of is, but part of the problem is that Rice is a surface street.  Yes, about half of it abuts farmland, south of CA-34, but if the authorities aren't on top of things, that road could become another suburban arterial filled with development and it can slow traffic down.  Probably need to purchase some of that land to prevent development from encroaching on the future highway.
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Re: Route 1/Rice Avenue in Oxnard
« Reply #111 on: March 05, 2021, 05:25:22 AM »

  At that time Oxnard was a sleepy little agricultural town of about 25K; IIRC a bypass around the eastern side of town was planned (the usual DOH/Caltrans "circular lines" indicating a general but unadopted alignment) but obviously never saw any follow-through.

Isn't Rice Avenue essentially that eastern bypass, much in the same way Cosumnes River Boulevard going towards Freeport is an adaptation of the Route 148 corridor (in Sacramento) and Richmond Parkway is functionally an adaptation of the planned Route 93?

IIRC something similar occurred with the planned Route 126 connector between I-5 and Route 14, built out as a unnumbered boulevard.

It kind of is, but part of the problem is that Rice is a surface street.  Yes, about half of it abuts farmland, south of CA-34, but if the authorities aren't on top of things, that road could become another suburban arterial filled with development and it can slow traffic down.  Probably need to purchase some of that land to prevent development from encroaching on the future highway.

The substitute for the rescinded CA 126 connector in Santa Clarita isn't one continuous roadway but a series of arterials winding through Santa Clarita.  The original CA 126 surface alignment, now relinquished, didn't actually efficiently work as a shunt between EB 126 and NB 14, since it turned south at Saugus along San Fernando Blvd. through Newhall, intersecting CA 14 southeast of town and not terribly far from the 5/14 interchange.  The proposed (and at one time actually adopted) alignment resolved that issue; it was intended to be part of a continuous CA 126 freeway across the north side of Santa Clarita, intersecting CA 14 at the present Via Princessa set of ramps just south of 14's Santa Clara River crossing.  But that alignment was severed during the 1994 round of rescindments, coincidentally a couple of years after the Metrolink Palmdale line through the area was initiated; it was widely opined that the desire to focus on transit rather than throughput roadway connectors such as the CA 126 extension doomed the freeway project -- that rationale basically continuing with the CA 1 situation.  Although it's likely that Rice Ave. will eventually see formal Caltrans adoption and signage -- if for no other reason than to efficiently feed traffic to and from PCH to the southeast, D7 probably won't be in any particular hurry to do so within the present sociopolitical climate that tends to see highly visible road connectors like this to be "enabling" the driving public to continue present patterns rather than curtail automotive use.   Agencies such as Caltrans, with a longstanding connection to road network expansion tread lightly these days, especially within urban/suburban/exurban zones like the built-up areas of Ventura County.
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