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« Reply #1850 on: December 21, 2020, 03:46:26 PM »

Speaking of Bowls and the CFP and the old BCS and all that jazz...

Most of the “Classic” New Years Bowls have moved into the fancy new(er) stadiums in their areas...Cotton Bowl into AT&T Stadium, Orange Bowl into Hard Rock Stadium (or its countless past names), Sugar Bowl into the Superdome, Peach Bowl into the Mercedes-Benz Stadium, Fiesta Bowl into State Farm Stadium

So that leaves the Rose Bowl. Does the Tournament of Roses Committee dare ever entertain the idea of regularly playing the Rose Bowl Game at SoFi Stadium instead of in Pasadena at the actual Rose Bowl Stadium?

I think it is a question of When, not If, personally. More $$$ to be made in the modern stadium
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« Reply #1851 on: December 21, 2020, 03:52:07 PM »

The only apples to apples comparison in that list is the Cotton Bowl since the historic stadiums where those other bowls were played were torn down and the natural successor was the new stadium. I think Jerry Jones’s outsized influence probably had a say in the Cotton Bowl move, but the stadium was also well known for being in a part of Dallas that wasn’t the ritziest. It still hosts the Red River Shootout and a new lesser bowl game. Stan Kroenke doesn’t seem to be as greedy about getting anything and everything into his stadium as Jones, but there might be a year or two where they have to go there whenever the Rose Bowl inevitably needs renovating/rebuilding.
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« Reply #1852 on: December 21, 2020, 03:54:37 PM »

The only apples to apples comparison in that list is the Cotton Bowl since the historic stadiums where those other bowls were played were torn down and the natural successor was the new stadium. I think Jerry Jones’s outsized influence probably had a say in the Cotton Bowl move, but the stadium was also well known for being in a part of Dallas that wasn’t the ritziest. It still hosts the Red River Shootout and a new lesser bowl game. Stan Kroenke doesn’t seem to be as greedy about getting anything and everything into his stadium as Jones, but there might be a year or two where they have to go there whenever the Rose Bowl inevitably needs renovating/rebuilding.
The Orange Bowl Game was moved into Hard Rock Stadium long before the Orange Bowl Stadium was torn down, if memory serves. Maybe by about a decade or so?

After looking it up, the Orange Bowl Game moved to the Dolphins’ new stadium in 1996. The Hurricanes moved to that stadium for their home games starting in 2008 - same year the Orange Bowl Stadium was torn down

The “U” was playing their home games at the Orange Bowl Stadium well after the Orange Bowl game was being played at the Dolphins Stadium

Hard Rock Stadium opened in 1987

Fiesta Bowl was played at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe - pretty sure Arizona State still uses that as their home field
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« Reply #1853 on: December 21, 2020, 04:02:37 PM »

The Rose Bowl is run by the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association, which is a non-profit, so they probably aren't as motivated by money and aren't likely to let the game leave Pasadena.

The Cotton Bowl stadium still exists on the Texas state fairgrounds and is used for the Texas-Oklahoma game every year. The Orange Bowl stadium is long gone and it's sad that no use could be found for it.
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« Reply #1854 on: December 21, 2020, 04:05:10 PM »

The Rose Bowl is run by the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association, which is a non-profit, so they probably aren't as motivated by money and aren't likely to let the game leave Pasadena.
First, for Tax purposes, aren’t all the Bowl Games officially non-profits?

Second, that was the argument that the Rose Bowl would never join the BCS then the CFP - yet they did, anyway $$$

$$$ Talks, BS Walks

I don’t think the Tournament of Roses will be in a big hurry to move the game to SoFi, but I think, by New Years 2031, that the Rose Bowl Game will be played at SoFi Stadium, regularly
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« Reply #1855 on: December 21, 2020, 04:24:09 PM »

The Rose Bowl is run by the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association, which is a non-profit, so they probably aren't as motivated by money and aren't likely to let the game leave Pasadena.

The Cotton Bowl stadium still exists on the Texas state fairgrounds and is used for the Texas-Oklahoma game every year. The Orange Bowl stadium is long gone and it's sad that no use could be found for it.

Marlins Park now stands where the old Orange Bowl was. I went to a UVA–Miami game at the Orange Bowl in 2005. That stadium was a dump. It made RFK Stadium in DC seem like a modern sports palace, in particular the exceptionally narrow concourses, inadequate restrooms, and bleacher-style seating with no backs. While bleacher-style seating is common in many college stadiums, the Orange Bowl was an NFL stadium for many years and even hosted the Super Bowl, so it was kind of surprising to discover that sort of seating there in 2005. (To the stadium's credit, though, the seats were orange plastic instead of bare shiny aluminum that would burn your rear end in the hot Florida sun in September.) I'm not quite sure I'd call the Orange Bowl the "worst" stadium I've ever visited, though. Alumni Stadium at Boston College might take that dubious honor because of the temporary-feeling construction combined with the rows of seats being way too close together so you had to sit with your knees splayed out to avoid kneeing the person in front of you. BC had far better restrooms than the Orange Bowl, though (but they were also less necessary because the Orange Bowl sold beer and BC didn't).

The one that seemed like it was torn down really quickly was the Georgia Dome. It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.
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« Reply #1856 on: December 21, 2020, 04:27:13 PM »

It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.

Sounds like it was built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics.
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« Reply #1857 on: December 21, 2020, 04:28:30 PM »

I was on the sideline for the 1994 Cotton Bowl. It seemed fine then, but that was a long time ago. ND Stadium was in rough shape before they renovated/expanded it in 1995-96.
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« Reply #1858 on: December 21, 2020, 04:32:34 PM »

It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.

Sounds like it was built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics.

I don't think that's correct. I believe they had already planned to replace their old concrete donut (Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium) with two separate venues, one for football (the dome) and one for baseball. Centennial Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics and was then renovated into what became Turner Field. It's now used as a football stadium, I think by Georgia Southern, since the baseball team moved out to the suburbs.
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« Reply #1859 on: December 21, 2020, 04:36:09 PM »

It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.

Sounds like it was built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics.

I don't think that's correct. I believe they had already planned to replace their old concrete donut (Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium) with two separate venues, one for football (the dome) and one for baseball. Centennial Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics and was then renovated into what became Turner Field. It's now used as a football stadium, I think by Georgia Southern, since the baseball team moved out to the suburbs.
The Georgia Dome was used for the Olympics, tho

Atlanta won their bid in 1990.

I bet the Olympics were in mind when Construction began for the Georgia Dome. Would it have been built without it? Who knows
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« Reply #1860 on: December 21, 2020, 05:01:08 PM »

Right, I know it was used for the Olympics. I was just responding to the comment about "built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics." Construction began in November 1989 and it opened in 1992. The Olympics were awarded in September 1990. So the bidding process was absolutely underway when construction began, but clearly the stadium was not contingent on the Olympic bid.
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« Reply #1861 on: December 21, 2020, 07:34:54 PM »

It opened in the early 1990s and has already been replaced and demolished. I went to two games there, both Peach Bowls. What was really striking was how massive the stadium was. Its seating capacity was comparable to the Carolina Panthers' stadium (which is, IMO, the nicest football stadium I've visited), yet it felt much bigger inside.

Sounds like it was built explicitly for the 1996 Olympics.

I don't think that's correct. I believe they had already planned to replace their old concrete donut (Atlanta–Fulton County Stadium) with two separate venues, one for football (the dome) and one for baseball. Centennial Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics and was then renovated into what became Turner Field. It's now used as a football stadium, I think by Georgia Southern, since the baseball team moved out to the suburbs.

Georgia State plays their football games in Center Parc Stadium, the new name for the old Turner Field (though I don't think the signs on 75/85 have been changed over yet). Georgia Southern is down in Statesboro.

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« Reply #1862 on: December 21, 2020, 07:40:49 PM »

Georgia State plays their football games in Center Parc Stadium, the new name for the old Turner Field (though I don't think the signs on 75/85 have been changed over yet). Georgia Southern is down in Statesboro.
Georgia State only recently started a Football program, or at least at the FBS level, right?
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« Reply #1863 on: December 21, 2020, 07:44:43 PM »

Georgia State plays their football games in Center Parc Stadium, the new name for the old Turner Field (though I don't think the signs on 75/85 have been changed over yet). Georgia Southern is down in Statesboro.
Georgia State only recently started a Football program, or at least at the FBS level, right?

Started in 2010 as an FCS program. They moved up to FBS when they joined the Sun Belt in 2013.

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« Reply #1865 on: December 25, 2020, 11:54:28 AM »

Dan Snyder claims he's being extorted...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/24/us/washington-football-team-dan-snyder/index.html

Usually when that happens, you've done something extortable.
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« Reply #1866 on: December 28, 2020, 10:41:15 AM »

Yep, let no one forget, this name change thing is all about distracting the public from some rich asshole's sexual harassment scandal.
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« Reply #1867 on: January 13, 2021, 06:47:33 AM »

Team name request: Montana Joes. (Normally, this area would be too sparsely populated, but if the team is in Butte or Bozeman, it would become the closest team to the Salt Lake City metro area.)

I've mentioned it before, but if Denver didn't already have a team, they could have the Denver Omelettes. Unlike the Montana Joes, the Omelettes could work for any sport. Same with the Indiana Jones (which I haven't mentioned before), although I wouldn't recommend putting the Joes and the Jones in the same sport.
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« Reply #1868 on: January 13, 2021, 08:00:04 AM »

Team name request: Montana Joes. (Normally, this area would be too sparsely populated, but if the team is in Butte or Bozeman, it would become the closest team to the Salt Lake City metro area.)

I've mentioned it before, but if Denver didn't already have a team, they could have the Denver Omelettes. Unlike the Montana Joes, the Omelettes could work for any sport. Same with the Indiana Jones (which I haven't mentioned before), although I wouldn't recommend putting the Joes and the Jones in the same sport.

Every strike, every miss, every incomplete pass would be followed with: "Opps, they got egg on their face".
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« Reply #1869 on: January 14, 2021, 10:41:34 PM »

https://www.jaguars.com/news/official-urban-meyer-named-jaguars-head-coach

Yeah, I can see the Oscar Mayer truck showing up at the stadium downtown. :p
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« Reply #1871 on: June 01, 2021, 05:18:32 PM »

Elsewhere, CFL's Edmonton Eskimos will be keeping their name.
They changed their mind.  A name change will be coming.
Edmonton Inuit?
They officially changed their name to Edmonton Elks.
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« Reply #1872 on: June 03, 2021, 05:06:43 PM »

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/
There are talks to reboot the USFL in 2022. That's right the last time the USFL was talked about was because that league was run over by the NFL in 1985.
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« Reply #1873 on: June 03, 2021, 07:15:49 PM »

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/fox-backing-2022-reboot-of-u-s-football-league-1234962480/
There are talks to reboot the USFL in 2022. That's right the last time the USFL was talked about was because that league was run over by the NFL in 1985.
I have heard about the old USFL team here, the Jacksonville Bulls (the city went crazy to the point where they repainted the Mathews Bridge). The story is that if it weren’t for the Bulls, the Jaguars wouldn’t exist. Even the Oilers (now the Titans) considered moving to Jacksonville once the USFL folded back in the day (of course, this didn’t come to pass, and the Oilers eventually moved to Tennessee).
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« Reply #1874 on: June 03, 2021, 08:12:51 PM »

^^ And Head Coach Lindy Infante went from the Bulls to the NFL and the Packers.
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