Madison Area

[mgk920]

recall a while ago when the Stoughton Rd corridor was referred to by some as the 'East Beltline'.  A few more steps towards realizing that reality?

 

Mike

You mean, like a full freeway? Not a chance.

< smile >

Mike

[The Ghostbuster]

Stoughton Rd. was originally called the East Madison Beltline, but I believe that name died out pretty quickly. As much as I'd like US 51 to be completely freeway between US 12/18 and Interstates 39/90/94, I realize it will never happen (due to the existence of the forementioned Interstates).

[Molandfreak]

Plus if they plan to build more interchanges on 39/90/94 to better serve local traffic, why would they go through the trouble of constructing a parallel freeway?

[SEWIGuy]

Also the time at which the phrase "East Beltline" would have been developed, the Beltline wasn't a freeway. Stoughton Road certainly shouldn't be one now.

[mgk920]

Stoughton Rd. was originally called the East Madison Beltline, but I believe that name died out pretty quickly. As much as I'd like US 51 to be completely freeway between US 12/18 and Interstates 39/90/94, I realize it will never happen (due to the existence of the forementioned Interstates).

Neither WisDOT nor the feds will allow more interchanges to be added along I-19/90/94 nor WI 30.  It is a pure bypass highway system for longer distance regional and through traffic.  Stoughton Rd already has oodles of local traffic on it (with calls from others upthread in here for more lanes and local access interchanges).  As long as personal vehicles remain popular, that traffic will continue to increase (I don't want to be here when the need for SERIOUS upgrades for its interchange at the Beltline comes due).

Mike

[hobsini2]

Stoughton Rd. was originally called the East Madison Beltline, but I believe that name died out pretty quickly. As much as I'd like US 51 to be completely freeway between US 12/18 and Interstates 39/90/94, I realize it will never happen (due to the existence of the forementioned Interstates).

Neither WisDOT nor the feds will allow more interchanges to be added along I-19/90/94 nor WI 30.  It is a pure bypass highway system for longer distance regional and through traffic.  Stoughton Rd already has oodles of local traffic on it (with calls from others upthread in here for more lanes and local access interchanges).  As long as personal vehicles remain popular, that traffic will continue to increase (I don't want to be here when the need for SERIOUS upgrades for its interchange at the Beltline comes due).

Mike

Between Hwy N and Hwy V, where could one build an interchange on 39/90/94?  Of the existing bridges that do not have one, some of them have problems to being an interchange.

Hwy MN - too close to the Weigh Station
Hwy AB - too short a road but it does already have an interchange with 12/18
Sigglekow Rd - potential and does have an interchange with 51
Femrite Dr - too close to 12/18
Buckeye Rd - potential
Cottage Grove Rd - too close to 94/30
Milwaukee St - to close to 94/30
Commercial Ave - to close to 94/30
Lien Rd - too minor
Hansen Rd - potential
Hoepker Rd - potential
River Rd / Windsor Rd - potential
Cuba Valley Rd - potential

[SEWIGuy]

Stoughton Rd. was originally called the East Madison Beltline, but I believe that name died out pretty quickly. As much as I'd like US 51 to be completely freeway between US 12/18 and Interstates 39/90/94, I realize it will never happen (due to the existence of the forementioned Interstates).

Neither WisDOT nor the feds will allow more interchanges to be added along I-19/90/94 nor WI 30.  It is a pure bypass highway system for longer distance regional and through traffic.  Stoughton Rd already has oodles of local traffic on it (with calls from others upthread in here for more lanes and local access interchanges).  As long as personal vehicles remain popular, that traffic will continue to increase (I don't want to be here when the need for SERIOUS upgrades for its interchange at the Beltline comes due).

Mike

Between Hwy N and Hwy V, where could one build an interchange on 39/90/94?  Of the existing bridges that do not have one, some of them have problems to being an interchange.

Hwy MN - too close to the Weigh Station
Hwy AB - too short a road but it does already have an interchange with 12/18
Sigglekow Rd - potential and does have an interchange with 51
Femrite Dr - too close to 12/18
Buckeye Rd - potential
Cottage Grove Rd - too close to 94/30
Milwaukee St - to close to 94/30
Commercial Ave - to close to 94/30
Lien Rd - too minor
Hansen Rd - potential
Hoepker Rd - potential
River Rd / Windsor Rd - potential
Cuba Valley Rd - potential

Hoepker Road is proposed for one in the upcoming I-39/90/94 project right?

Anyway, you can't really put one anywhere between WI-30 / I-94 and the Beltline now because its all built up. But there was definitely room for one at either Buckeye Road or Cottage Grove Road back when it was built - Buckeye would have been preferable IMO.

[hobsini2]

Stoughton Rd. was originally called the East Madison Beltline, but I believe that name died out pretty quickly. As much as I'd like US 51 to be completely freeway between US 12/18 and Interstates 39/90/94, I realize it will never happen (due to the existence of the forementioned Interstates).

Neither WisDOT nor the feds will allow more interchanges to be added along I-19/90/94 nor WI 30.  It is a pure bypass highway system for longer distance regional and through traffic.  Stoughton Rd already has oodles of local traffic on it (with calls from others upthread in here for more lanes and local access interchanges).  As long as personal vehicles remain popular, that traffic will continue to increase (I don't want to be here when the need for SERIOUS upgrades for its interchange at the Beltline comes due).

Mike

Between Hwy N and Hwy V, where could one build an interchange on 39/90/94?  Of the existing bridges that do not have one, some of them have problems to being an interchange.

Hwy MN - too close to the Weigh Station
Hwy AB - too short a road but it does already have an interchange with 12/18
Sigglekow Rd - potential and does have an interchange with 51
Femrite Dr - too close to 12/18
Buckeye Rd - potential
Cottage Grove Rd - too close to 94/30
Milwaukee St - to close to 94/30
Commercial Ave - to close to 94/30
Lien Rd - too minor
Hansen Rd - potential
Hoepker Rd - potential
River Rd / Windsor Rd - potential
Cuba Valley Rd - potential

Hoepker Road is proposed for one in the upcoming I-39/90/94 project right?

Anyway, you can't really put one anywhere between WI-30 / I-94 and the Beltline now because its all built up. But there was definitely room for one at either Buckeye Road or Cottage Grove Road back when it was built - Buckeye would have been preferable IMO.

Eminent domain! lol

Even though I am joking about that, ED would have to be done now to get one at Buckeye or Cottage Grove these days.

[mgk920]

There was plenty of room, but no local traffic demand, when that all was first built (mid 20th century, early post-WWII era).  It was literally in the middle of nowhere in relation to the city.

Mike

[The Ghostbuster]

If an interchange were to be added on Interstates 39/90 between STH 30/Interstate 94 and US 12/18, I would put it at CTH BB/Cottage Grove Rd., since BB is already a four-lane divided roadway both east and west of 39/90. The CTH AB/E. Buckeye Rd. overpass was replaced sometime between 2007 and 2011, so additional work would be needed to make it an interchange. The future Milwaukee St. interchange will serve the neighborhood south of Interstate 94, and the future Hoepker Rd. will serve East Madison Hospital and the surrounding American Center businesses (although an interchange at Hanson Rd. would have directly served the hospital).

[hobsini2]

There was plenty of room, but no local traffic demand, when that all was first built (mid 20th century, early post-WWII era).  It was literally in the middle of nowhere in relation to the city.

Mike

I even remember on road trips to Grandma's, Madison was always dark to go through on 90/94 (yes before 39) at night. The only civilization was East Towne Mall and a Holiday Inn at 12/18 in the SE quadrant.

[TheCatalyst31]

If an interchange were to be added on Interstates 39/90 between STH 30/Interstate 94 and US 12/18, I would put it at CTH BB/Cottage Grove Rd., since BB is already a four-lane divided roadway both east and west of 39/90. The CTH AB/E. Buckeye Rd. overpass was replaced sometime between 2007 and 2011, so additional work would be needed to make it an interchange. The future Milwaukee St. interchange will serve the neighborhood south of Interstate 94, and the future Hoepker Rd. will serve East Madison Hospital and the surrounding American Center businesses (although an interchange at Hanson Rd. would have directly served the hospital).

There's no room for one there, unless you want to do a bunch of eminent domain for an interchange. The neighborhood is developed up to the highway, including a police station that would probably have to relocate.

[The Ghostbuster]

Well, the least they could do is replace the existing CTH BB/Cottage Grove Rd. overpass with a four-lane bridge. I dislike how it goes from four-lanes divided, to two-lanes undivided (over the bridge), back to four-lanes divided.

[SEWIGuy]

Well, the least they could do is replace the existing CTH BB/Cottage Grove Rd. overpass with a four-lane bridge. I dislike how it goes from four-lanes divided, to two-lanes undivided (over the bridge), back to four-lanes divided.

Well, send and email because they are in the design phase for rebabing that actual bridge.

https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/i39-bridgesmadison/default.aspx

[mgk920]

Well, the least they could do is replace the existing CTH BB/Cottage Grove Rd. overpass with a four-lane bridge. I dislike how it goes from four-lanes divided, to two-lanes undivided (over the bridge), back to four-lanes divided.

I would suspect that that bridge is original to the highway, dating back to the mid 20th century when that area was all wide-open undeveloped land in the middle of nowhere.

Mike