Department of Redundancy Department

[thenetwork]

US-30
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GWNDK6rV644SsmF5A

[kphoger]

US-30
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GWNDK6rV644SsmF5A

I guess they didn't feel like measuring.

[MCRoads]

I want to add something to the discussion of choke points:

In Norfolk, VA, you are on a peninsula, with 3 routes east, 1 route north, and land routes to the south. Imagine for a minute that, because of a storm, the HRBT floods, and the power lines next to the James river bridge are blown down. That closes 2 routes from the Norfolk area to be shut down. Now, because of this, all traffic flows through the MMBT. This in itself would cause an issue, as a driver failed to stop, and caused a pileup. Now, all 3 routes east are blocked. And, the best part, this happens on July 2, during the 4th of July rush. Sounds like a made up, worst-case scenario, right?

Well, it actually happened in 2009. It was a traffic disaster, and it caused great concern about how effective the bridges would be during a hurricane evacuation. It is one of the big reasons the HRBT expansion finally got off the ground. I moved there in 2012, and people were still talking about how bad it was. They thought it could happen again!

[MCRoads]

Well, I actually have something productive to add to this thread! (If you could call this thread productive...)

This assembly in Mobile, AL.

https://goo.gl/maps/bGFY5heRDuFTd2Lu7

Either use a single sign with

TO
TRUCK
98
<-

or have 2 signs that say

TO         TO
EAST      EAST
TRUCK    TRUCK
98          98
<-          <-

But NOT THAT!!

[kphoger]

Well, I actually have something productive to add to this thread! (If you could call this thread productive...)

This assembly in Mobile, AL.

https://goo.gl/maps/bGFY5heRDuFTd2Lu7

Either use a single sign with

TO
TRUCK
98
<-

or have 2 signs that say

TO         TO
EAST      EAST
TRUCK    TRUCK
98          98
<-          <-

But NOT THAT!!

Assuming you're not referring to the bit of blacktop that the link actually points to...

I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with the sign.  At first I though that the road goes to plain US-90, not US-90-Truck, but now I'm not so sure.  What exactly is redundant and/or erroneous?

[renegade]

Well, I actually have something productive to add to this thread! (If you could call this thread productive...)

This assembly in Mobile, AL.

https://goo.gl/maps/bGFY5heRDuFTd2Lu7

Either use a single sign with

TO
TRUCK
98
<-

or have 2 signs that say

TO         TO
EAST      EAST
TRUCK    TRUCK
98          98
<-          <-

But NOT THAT!!

Assuming you're not referring to the bit of blacktop that the link actually points to...

I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with the sign.  At first I though that the road goes to plain US-90, not US-90-Truck, but now I'm not so sure.  What exactly is redundant and/or erroneous?

I'm not sure what is wrong with that, either.

[MCRoads]

Well, I actually have something productive to add to this thread! (If you could call this thread productive...)

This assembly in Mobile, AL.

https://goo.gl/maps/bGFY5heRDuFTd2Lu7

Either use a single sign with

TO
TRUCK
98
<-

or have 2 signs that say

TO         TO
EAST      EAST
TRUCK    TRUCK
98          98
<-          <-

But NOT THAT!!

Assuming you're not referring to the bit of blacktop that the link actually points to...

I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with the sign.  At first I though that the road goes to plain US-90, not US-90-Truck, but now I'm not so sure.  What exactly is redundant and/or erroneous?

I'm not sure what is wrong with that, either.

There is a sign assembly that has 2 of the same signs, with no differences. Both of them say

TO
TRUCK
98
<-

[hotdogPi]

One says 90, the other says 98.

[bwana39]

US-30
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GWNDK6rV644SsmF5A

This one makes sense... The text was put at the bottom on the sign. It doesn't meet spec. So instead of modifying the sigh they just added the exit sign at the proper place on the mast.

[MCRoads]

One says 90, the other says 98.

...well, I'm not sure why I thought both of them said 98, as now that it is pointed out, it seems very obvious...

[kphoger]

or have 2 signs that say

TO         TO
EAST      EAST
TRUCK    TRUCK
98          98
<-          <-

...well, I'm not sure why I thought both of them said 98, as now that it is pointed out, it seems very obvious...

Then isn't what you suggested as a possible replacement just as redundant as what you thought was actually in the field?

[MCRoads]

or have 2 signs that say

TO         TO
EAST      EAST
TRUCK    TRUCK
98          98
<-          <-

...well, I'm not sure why I thought both of them said 98, as now that it is pointed out, it seems very obvious...

Then isn't what you suggested as a possible replacement just as redundant as what you thought was actually in the field?

I made a typo, one is supposed to say East, the other West...

[kphoger]

Remember, kids:  Don't drink and post.

[interstatefan990]

Actually, do drink and post if you want. Makes for a more entertaining forum. But just don't get behind the wheel. 

[roadman65]

This one here qualifies as two shields close together sharing the same info.

[kphoger]

That would look less ridiculous, if the first sign were moved farther back.  They use different arrows, after all.

[roadman65]

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51264706864_1d494337e3_k.jpg

This one on US 231 near Cottondale, FL.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/WF7jZ3t2RUaCgixZ8

KY Ave. and Kentucky Avenue.

[SkyPesos]

when one I-275 shield isn't enough

[hbelkins]

^^^

I can actually understand the logic behind that. If it just said "I-275/Airport," then motorists not familiar with the area looking to go toward Newport or I-471 might not know to take that ramp. A solution might be to sign it "I-275/To I-471," either in text or shield form.

[jakeroot]

when one I-275 shield isn't enough

I get the idea, but that's still the wrong lane for 275 East.

I think a single shield would be better without any cardinal directions.

I don't think signing I-471 is necessary. Would anyone normally be going to I-471 from there? Maybe US-27 might be better.

[Billy F 1988]

when one I-275 shield isn't enough

I get the idea, but that's still the wrong lane for 275 East.

I think a single shield would be better without any cardinal directions.

I don't think signing I-471 is necessary. Would anyone normally be going to I-471 from there? Maybe US-27 might be better.

Looks like it's time to work our "Redesign this!" magic on this assembly. To the digital sign shop we go!

[thenetwork]

when one I-275 shield isn't enough

I get the idea, but that's still the wrong lane for 275 East.

I think a single shield would be better without any cardinal directions.

I don't think signing I-471 is necessary. Would anyone normally be going to I-471 from there? Maybe US-27 might be better.

Adding a TO I-471 to the Northbound approach to I-275 may be beneficial, but I don't see any need for an I-471 reference for southbound traffic.

[amroad17]

when one I-275 shield isn't enough

I get the idea, but that's still the wrong lane for 275 East.

I think a single shield would be better without any cardinal directions.

I don't think signing I-471 is necessary. Would anyone normally be going to I-471 from there? Maybe US-27 might be better.

Adding a TO I-471 to the Northbound approach to I-275 may be beneficial, but I don't see any need for an I-471 reference for southbound traffic.

Further down is a "more accurate" sign: https://goo.gl/maps/vx24ydBjrk7sAFjo7

As far as TO I-471: https://goo.gl/maps/BzkXvUXc9uqKnbfe9

[jakeroot]

Further down is a "more accurate" sign: https://goo.gl/maps/vx24ydBjrk7sAFjo7

I did originally see that browsing street view, and it definitely highlights the issue: 275 East is signed as being via the exit-only lane early-on, but then becomes accessible from the option lane at the split.

Sometimes, ambiguity is superior. In this case, signing a single 275 shield without cardinal directions is the easiest and most logic fix, without resorting to APLs.