I was going through the internet when I found this "Ask the DOT" article in the Providence Journal: http://www.providencejournal.com/cars/ask-the-dot/20131013-ask-the-dot-numbering-exits-on-interstate-highways.ece
The really interesting part is here:
Quote
We have looked into moving to a distance-based exit numbering system. This system would help drivers better judge distances between exits and allow the department to add or change exits without renumbering the signs along the highway.
It is important to note, given our size and geographic location, this change is best made in cooperation with our bordering communities, Massachusetts and Connecticut, who also have sequentially numbered highway exits. We are working closely with them to determine how this system could best be implemented in our region.
So... given that, MA's pending conversion, and CT switching a couple routes soon, do you think we'll see mileage based numbers come to RI soon?
Interesting. Sequentially numbered exits really are an endangered species at this point, aren't they?
I fail to see how the practices of Connecticut and Massachusetts have any real bearing on what Rhode Island does. Delaware has had no qualms numbering its exits differently than all of its neighbors, after all.
This is just classic New England attitude of being reluctant to embrace change.
Quote from: dgolub on April 27, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Interesting. Sequentially numbered exits really are an endangered species at this point, aren't they?
It will be interesting to see if RI and neighboring states do coordinate milepost based exits. For example, I-295 around Providence. Currently MA and RI have separate sequential systems, however the 2009 MUTCD recommends that 3di loop or semi-circular routes that cross state lines use one milepost system throughout, like what is done with I-495 on the Capital Beltway, I-275 around Cincinnati, and elsewhere. If this is to be done with I-295, MassDOT and RIDOT would need to cooperate on a single milepost system that would continue 4 mile into MA to I-95.
Quote from: Duke87 on April 27, 2014, 07:50:34 PM
I fail to see how the practices of Connecticut and Massachusetts have any real bearing on what Rhode Island does. Delaware has had no qualms numbering its exits differently than all of its neighbors, after all.
This is just classic New England attitude of being reluctant to embrace change.
Absolutely agreed. For such a small state, though, it makes sense for RI to mile-number I-95 and I-295 - and arguably RI 4. I-195's exits probably aren't worth the bother. Presumably RI 10 and US 6 would remain unnumbered.
On I-95, the highest exit number would be 43 in Pawtucket (presently Exit 30), barely a half mile from the Massachusetts border.
Quote from: Alps on April 27, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
Presumably RI 10 and US 6 would remain unnumbered.
RI 10 received exit numbers in a recent sign replacement project. The exit numbers on RI 10 end at the US 6 merge. There are no exit numbers on the "6/10 Connector." As is the case with both RI 10 and RI 37, the exits are so close together that mileage-based wouldn't make much sense. I don't see RI going mileage-based for at least 10 more years.
Quote from: vdeane on April 27, 2014, 05:17:27 PM
I was going through the internet when I found this "Ask the DOT" article in the Providence Journal: http://www.providencejournal.com/cars/ask-the-dot/20131013-ask-the-dot-numbering-exits-on-interstate-highways.ece
The really interesting part is here:
Quote
We have looked into moving to a distance-based exit numbering system. This system would help drivers better judge distances between exits and allow the department to add or change exits without renumbering the signs along the highway.
It is important to note, given our size and geographic location, this change is best made in cooperation with our bordering communities, Massachusetts and Connecticut, who also have sequentially numbered highway exits. We are working closely with them to determine how this system could best be implemented in our region.
So... given that, MA's pending conversion, and CT switching a couple routes soon, do you think we'll see mileage based numbers come to RI soon?
If by "soon" you mean RI will start to think about it after MA and CT have both finished theirs, then yes, "soon".
If they are basing their actions on their neighbors, then it doesn't make sense to do so until I-95 has been converted in both neighboring states. We know that MassDOT plans a west to east conversion, starting with smaller highways. Based on this we can assume that I-95 will be near the end of the 10-year window MassDOT has forecast for the conversion.
Quote from: bob7374 on April 27, 2014, 10:44:04 PM
Quote from: dgolub on April 27, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Interesting. Sequentially numbered exits really are an endangered species at this point, aren't they?
It will be interesting to see if RI and neighboring states do coordinate milepost based exits. For example, I-295 around Providence. Currently MA and RI have separate sequential systems, however the 2009 MUTCD recommends that 3di loop or semi-circular routes that cross state lines use one milepost system throughout, like what is done with I-495 on the Capital Beltway, I-275 around Cincinnati, and elsewhere. If this is to be done with I-295, MassDOT and RIDOT would need to cooperate on a single milepost system that would continue 4 mile into MA to I-95.
Yeah, having the I-295 exit numbers start over at the state line really doesn't make sense considering how short I-295 is in Massachusetts. Certainly, if the Hutchinson Parkway/Merritt Parkway exit numbers can (sort of) continue across a state line, then there's certainly no reason why it can't happen here. There are some other places where it happens not involving a three-digit interstate. I'm pretty sure that I-86 uses a single exit numbering scheme across the New York-Pennsylvania border.
Quote from: dgolub on April 28, 2014, 08:50:51 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 27, 2014, 10:44:04 PM
Quote from: dgolub on April 27, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Interesting. Sequentially numbered exits really are an endangered species at this point, aren't they?
It will be interesting to see if RI and neighboring states do coordinate milepost based exits. For example, I-295 around Providence. Currently MA and RI have separate sequential systems, however the 2009 MUTCD recommends that 3di loop or semi-circular routes that cross state lines use one milepost system throughout, like what is done with I-495 on the Capital Beltway, I-275 around Cincinnati, and elsewhere. If this is to be done with I-295, MassDOT and RIDOT would need to cooperate on a single milepost system that would continue 4 mile into MA to I-95.
Yeah, having the I-295 exit numbers start over at the state line really doesn't make sense considering how short I-295 is in Massachusetts. Certainly, if the Hutchinson Parkway/Merritt Parkway exit numbers can (sort of) continue across a state line, then there's certainly no reason why it can't happen here. There are some other places where it happens not involving a three-digit interstate. I'm pretty sure that I-86 uses a single exit numbering scheme across the New York-Pennsylvania border.
A better (and longer) example is I-24 where it dips into Georgia from Tennessee. It's in Georgia for 3-4 miles and Tennessee's mileposts are maintained, there's even two exits within Georgia.
Quote from: signalman on April 28, 2014, 11:54:35 AM
Quote from: dgolub on April 28, 2014, 08:50:51 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on April 27, 2014, 10:44:04 PM
Quote from: dgolub on April 27, 2014, 07:23:05 PM
Interesting. Sequentially numbered exits really are an endangered species at this point, aren't they?
It will be interesting to see if RI and neighboring states do coordinate milepost based exits. For example, I-295 around Providence. Currently MA and RI have separate sequential systems, however the 2009 MUTCD recommends that 3di loop or semi-circular routes that cross state lines use one milepost system throughout, like what is done with I-495 on the Capital Beltway, I-275 around Cincinnati, and elsewhere. If this is to be done with I-295, MassDOT and RIDOT would need to cooperate on a single milepost system that would continue 4 mile into MA to I-95.
Yeah, having the I-295 exit numbers start over at the state line really doesn't make sense considering how short I-295 is in Massachusetts. Certainly, if the Hutchinson Parkway/Merritt Parkway exit numbers can (sort of) continue across a state line, then there's certainly no reason why it can't happen here. There are some other places where it happens not involving a three-digit interstate. I'm pretty sure that I-86 uses a single exit numbering scheme across the New York-Pennsylvania border.
A better (and longer) example is I-24 where it dips into Georgia from Tennessee. It's in Georgia for 3-4 miles and Tennessee's mileposts are maintained, there's even two exits within Georgia.
The Georgia portion uses GA milepost numbers, but uses Tennessee exit numbers for both exits.
Quote from: Big John on April 28, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
The Georgia portion uses GA milepost numbers, but uses Tennessee exit numbers for both exits.
Sorry, I've never driven it. I just assumed (apparently incorrectly) that since TN's exits are maintained so were the mileposts.
Quote from: bob7374 on April 27, 2014, 10:44:04 PMIt will be interesting to see if RI and neighboring states do coordinate milepost based exits. For example, I-295 around Providence. Currently MA and RI have separate sequential systems, however the 2009 MUTCD recommends that 3di loop or semi-circular routes that cross state lines use one milepost system throughout, like what is done with I-495 on the Capital Beltway, I-275 around Cincinnati, and elsewhere.
Wow, I didn't realize that the I-495 exits on the VA side changed over to follow the ones on the MD side. That must've been a fairly recent change.
Quote from: bob7374 on April 27, 2014, 10:44:04 PM
If this is to be done with I-295, MassDOT and RIDOT would need to cooperate on a single milepost system that would continue 4 mile into MA to I-95.
IIRC, when I-295 was first built in the late 60s/early 70s, the RI-based sequential exit numbers indeed spilled over into MA; the US 1 interchange in MA was originally Exit 12 (N & S) & the I-95 interchange was originally Exit 12 (N & S).
I also believe that the original exit numbers for I-195 in MA may have also sequenced after the RI numbers as well.
Both roads in MA switched to their current numbers (reset at the state line) sometime during the mid-70s.
QuoteWow, I didn't realize that the I-495 exits on the VA side changed over to follow the ones on the MD side. That must've been a fairly recent change.
No later than 2001.
Prior to I-295's sign replacement in the mid-to-late 2000's, old BGSs between Exits 7-10 contained exit tabs that had both the sequential exit number and the mile marker. A road geek out there may have more historical background on the significance of that... ;-)
Quote from: froggie on April 28, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
QuoteWow, I didn't realize that the I-495 exits on the VA side changed over to follow the ones on the MD side. That must've been a fairly recent change.
No later than 2001.
I was out at IAD in
2005 for a site visit and used I-495 to get there and I believe the previous I-495-VA exit numbers (Exit 1 being I-95 South/395 North and increasing to the MD State Line) were still present then.
Forgive me but is that listed 2001 date a typo for 2011? I have some older AAA maps of the area at home to verify but even if AAA was off by a year or two; it'll give me a rough ballpark figure towards when the change took place.
Quote from: southshore720 on April 28, 2014, 02:08:11 PM
Prior to I-295's sign replacement in the mid-to-late 2000's, old BGSs between Exits 7-10 contained exit tabs that had both the sequential exit number and the mile marker. A road geek out there may have more historical background on the significance of that... ;-)
That was an experiment that was tried & ultimately dropped. I-93 in MA, north of Boston, had similar as well until the mid-80s when the exit numbers changed to the current ones.
Virginia's portion of I-495 was renumbered in 2000. I've lived at my current house since July 2001 and the exit numbers had already been changed before I moved here.
Previously Exit 1 was just to the west of the Wilson Bridge in Alexandria at the interchange with US-1 and the numbers ascended up to Exit 14 at the GW Parkway just south of the American Legion Bridge. (An Exit 3A was added between Exits 2 and 3, though I don't remember when.) Prior to 1980, the numbering continued sequentially in a clockwise direction around the Beltway through Maryland up to Exit 38 at I-295, just across the river from Exit 1. In 1980 Maryland decided to use sequential numbering. At that time, the eastern half of the Beltway was numbered solely as I-95, so the FHWA guideline that numbering proceed from south to north took precedence due to the 2di status. Accordingly, Exit 38 became Exit 2 and the numbering proceeded up to Exit 27 at the "College Park Interchange" where I-95 turned north towards Baltimore; beyond that point, I-495's exit numbering continued the I-95 numbers on up to Exit 41 at what was then the Maryland portion of the GW Parkway (now the Clara Barton Parkway) just north of the American Legion Bridge. Virginia didn't change its numbers. Apparently some people found the duplication of numbers in the two states confusing.
When Virginia eventually did change its numbers, the decision was to continue Maryland's numbering up to the Springfield Interchange (Exit 57 on the Outer Loop) but then to apply I-95's exit numbers to the remaining portion from Springfield to the Wilson Bridge. The result is that when you head anti-clockwise around the Beltway, say if you're going from Fairfax to Alexandria, you pass Exit 54 (Braddock Road), Exit 57 (I-95 and I-395), and then the next exit is Exit 173 (Van Dorn Street), on up to Exit 177 at the Wilson Bridge. (On the Inner Loop, the Springfield Interchange is Exit 170 instead of Exit 57 due to I-95's numbering taking precedence). It confuses the crap out of visitors to the area. Exit 173 is the closest to my house and I always tell people not to be fooled by the exit numbering–if I tell them Exit 173, visitors who don't know the area understandably think it's a long way yet to go when they're passing Exit 54!
I really don't understand why some people found it confusing that the exit numbering changed at the Maryland state line. After all, it's pretty standard for exit numbering to reset when you cross into another state. The thing that may have been weirder was the way Virginia's numbers went clockwise (per the original numbering and the normal practice on a beltway) but Maryland's went anticlockwise. At the same time, how hard is it to give someone clear enough directions for it not to be an issue?
"bob7374" mentions the MUTCD expressing a preference for continued milepost numbering on loop or partial-circle 3di routes. Is the concern the potential for duplication of numbers between the two states?
Quote from: signalman on April 28, 2014, 11:54:35 AM
A better (and longer) example is I-24 where it dips into Georgia from Tennessee. It's in Georgia for 3-4 miles and Tennessee's mileposts are maintained, there's even two exits within Georgia.
There's a similar situation with I-684 crossing into Connecticut from New York for a mile or two, but there's no exit there.
Quote from: spooky on April 28, 2014, 06:48:57 AM
If they are basing their actions on their neighbors, then it doesn't make sense to do so until I-95 has been converted in both neighboring states. We know that MassDOT plans a west to east conversion, starting with smaller highways. Based on this we can assume that I-95 will be near the end of the 10-year window MassDOT has forecast for the conversion.
10 YEARS!?! That's certainly a long time for an exit number conversion.
Quote from: dgolub on April 28, 2014, 08:50:51 AM
I'm pretty sure that I-86 uses a single exit numbering scheme across the New York-Pennsylvania border.
It does. I have no idea why exit 3 was missing before PA adopted mile-based numbers. If NY adopts mile-based numbers, they'll probably reset at the border (less expensive than re-mileposting the entire route).
Quote from: vdeane on April 28, 2014, 07:33:17 PM
Quote from: spooky on April 28, 2014, 06:48:57 AM
If they are basing their actions on their neighbors, then it doesn't make sense to do so until I-95 has been converted in both neighboring states. We know that MassDOT plans a west to east conversion, starting with smaller highways. Based on this we can assume that I-95 will be near the end of the 10-year window MassDOT has forecast for the conversion.
10 YEARS!?! That's certainly a long time for an exit number conversion.
Nah, 10 years seems fairly realistic. Just ask Caltrans, which starting numbering its freeway exits in 2002 and is still not done with their project (as of 2014) with plenty of unnumbered exit numbers remaining.
Quote from: Alps on April 27, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
I-195's exits probably aren't worth the bother.
1A/B = 0A/B
2 = 1A
3 = 1B
4 = 1C
5 = 1D
6 = 2
7 = 3A
8 = 3B
Yeah, not exactly a helpful conversion.
Quote from: Duke87 on April 28, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 27, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
I-195's exits probably aren't worth the bother.
1A/B = 0A/B
2 = 1A
3 = 1B
4 = 1C
5 = 1D
6 = 2
7 = 3A
8 = 3B
Yeah, not exactly a helpful conversion.
Believe it or not & given the above; I could actually see similar happening. Though I'm not 100% sure RIDOT will actually use Exit 0; if they don't, I could see the above listings will increase by 1.
Quote from: andy3175 on April 28, 2014, 11:12:46 PM
Nah, 10 years seems fairly realistic. Just ask Caltrans, which starting numbering its freeway exits in 2002 and is still not done with their project (as of 2014) with plenty of unnumbered exit numbers remaining.
IMO Caltrans isn't exactly an agency of exit numbering excellence. Just look at those boxes...
I usually think about Pennsylvania and Maine with respect to numbering conversions.
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 29, 2014, 12:55:36 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on April 28, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 27, 2014, 10:51:52 PM
I-195's exits probably aren't worth the bother.
1A/B = 0A/B
2 = 1A
3 = 1B
4 = 1C
5 = 1D
6 = 2
7 = 3A
8 = 3B
Yeah, not exactly a helpful conversion.
Believe it or not & given the above; I could actually see similar happening. Though I'm not 100% sure RIDOT will actually use Exit 0; if they don't, I could see the above listings will increase by 1.
Current 1 is I-95 so the number could also be dropped.
Quote from: vdeane on April 29, 2014, 04:58:12 PMCurrent 1 is I-95 so the number could also be dropped.
Actually, the current Exit 1B is Eddy St. & 1A is Point St. (http://goo.gl/maps/nimGx) The ramps to I-95 currently have no exit number (they never did); however, the fore-mentioned Exit 1B-A ramps are located
within the I-95 ramps (1B branches off the I-95 SB ramp, 1A off the I-95 NB ramp)
Whether or not RIDOT decides to actually place Exit 0B-A or move the Exit 1B-A tabs for the I-95 ramps
themselves is anybody's guess. While such a scenario would warrant the use of Exit 0s; most northeastern states tend not to use them. Likely because northeastern states mostly numbered their interchanges sequentially... although I-195 in NJ was mile-marker-based from the get-go yet NJDOT signed its I-295 exits w/the 295 numbers (60A-B) rather than 0A-B.
I just did it the "pure" way - take the mile marker and round to the nearest integer. This means anything at less than mile 0.5 is an exit 0.
Different states have their own varying methods of pegging exit numbers to mile markers - what Rhode Island does may make the actual numbers posted slightly different from mine. But the general point remains: they have 8 exits in 3 miles, so they are going to have a bunch of alphabet soup no matter what unless they leave it sequential.
One thing you have when you have a two state interstate in one metro area. Many locals do not see the variation between states so to reset exit numbers at state lines can cause confusion for those. That may be why 3 digits interstates are being asked to use one milepost system.
The Palisades interstate Parkway is one road that keeps the same sequence of numbers in both states NJ and NY. 1-4 is NJ's four interchanges, and 5 to whatever (its numbers on NY side has changed as 15 used to be for Perkins Drive [7 Lakes Drive], but later the A suffixed add ons were renumbered a whole number and both US 6 and the Anthony Wayne Recreation Area were given numbers). Nonetheless, if both states used their own system of exit numbers it would confuse most Bergen and Rockland motorists who use the road daily.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 01, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
One thing you have when you have a two state interstate in one metro area. Many locals do not see the variation between states so to reset exit numbers at state lines can cause confusion for those. That may be why 3 digits interstates are being asked to use one milepost system.
I believe that the
keep one milepost system rule/standard only applies
towards 3di loops or beltways and not necessarily
any 3di that crosses state lines. Per Bob7374's earlier comment (reposted below):
Quote from: bob7374 on April 27, 2014, 10:44:04 PMhowever the 2009 MUTCD recommends that 3di loop or semi-circular routes that cross state lines use one milepost system throughout
Well it really should. Look at I-395 in CT/MA for example. It not only is a road where people cross state lines like its nothing, but it has little mileage in MA. Therefore for MA to continue CT's mileage would be most practical. In fact more plausible than NJ using PA exit numbers for I-76 at the exit for I-676 and NJ 76C off the Walt Whitman Bridge where that to me is more confusing than anything considering I-76 continues for two more miles with other exit numbers from I-676's scheme.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 02, 2014, 06:41:32 AM
Well it really should. Look at I-395 in CT/MA for example. It not only is a road where people cross state lines like its nothing, but it has little mileage in MA. Therefore for MA to continue CT's mileage would be most practical.
Well, the mileage already resets at the Pike when I-395 becomes I-290. It might be more confusing to have it continue CT mileage into MA, but then reset at zero halfway into MA.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 02, 2014, 06:41:32 AM
Well it really should. Look at I-395 in CT/MA for example. It not only is a road where people cross state lines like its nothing, but it has little mileage in MA. Therefore for MA to continue CT's mileage would be most practical. In fact more plausible than NJ using PA exit numbers for I-76 at the exit for I-676 and NJ 76C off the Walt Whitman Bridge where that to me is more confusing than anything considering I-76 continues for two more miles with other exit numbers from I-676's scheme.
Like this? http://goo.gl/maps/o5hS6
Quote from: spooky on May 02, 2014, 07:43:06 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 02, 2014, 06:41:32 AM
Well it really should. Look at I-395 in CT/MA for example. It not only is a road where people cross state lines like its nothing, but it has little mileage in MA. Therefore for MA to continue CT's mileage would be most practical.
Well, the mileage already resets at the Pike when I-395 becomes I-290. It might be more confusing to have it continue CT mileage into MA, but then reset at zero halfway into MA.
I think the point is that when selecting exit numbers, you have to be really smart about it and make sure that you choose a system that makes sense for the context. Normally, resetting at the state lines make sense, otherwise you'd have exit numbers that are 4 digit long on transcontinental routes. But here for these examples, they say that it makes no sense to reset to zero if the highway only continues a few miles into the next state.
Mileage based exit numbers are great as they let you know how far you need to travel, but there isn't always a necessity to reset to zero at state lines, if a more dramatic point (like a bridge or an interchange) would be a more dramatic transition.
Quote from: mrsman on May 18, 2014, 07:25:54 AM
Quote from: spooky on May 02, 2014, 07:43:06 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 02, 2014, 06:41:32 AM
Well it really should. Look at I-395 in CT/MA for example. It not only is a road where people cross state lines like its nothing, but it has little mileage in MA. Therefore for MA to continue CT's mileage would be most practical.
Well, the mileage already resets at the Pike when I-395 becomes I-290. It might be more confusing to have it continue CT mileage into MA, but then reset at zero halfway into MA.
I think the point is that when selecting exit numbers, you have to be really smart about it and make sure that you choose a system that makes sense for the context. Normally, resetting at the state lines make sense, otherwise you'd have exit numbers that are 4 digit long on transcontinental routes. But here for these examples, they say that it makes no sense to reset to zero if the highway only continues a few miles into the next state.
Mileage based exit numbers are great as they let you know how far you need to travel, but there isn't always a necessity to reset to zero at state lines, if a more dramatic point (like a bridge or an interchange) would be a more dramatic transition.
By that argument, why not just continue I-84's CT based exit system into MA, since it's only 7 miles and there's only 3 exits, and has ZERO chance of being extended beyond the Mass Pike (although I have a fantasy of it extending up MA 49 and winding around to meet the E/W portion of I-290 in Worcester)?
Quote from: southshore720 on April 28, 2014, 02:08:11 PM
Prior to I-295's sign replacement in the mid-to-late 2000's, old BGSs between Exits 7-10 contained exit tabs that had both the sequential exit number and the mile marker. A road geek out there may have more historical background on the significance of that... ;-)
I remember those signs, always thought they were kind of odd considering none of the other freeways in RI were like that. If I remember correctly, before they were taken down in the 2000's, they took off the mileage portion on some of the signs just leaving a very long exit stub on top.
Back to the main topic of renumbering, I don't think we are going to see a renumbering anytime soon, RI just re-signed BGS on the interstates a few years ago, so I don't think they are in a hurry to re-sign again. DOT has more pressing projects like the I-95 viaduct or the exit 8 (or would that be exit 24) overpass that's about ready to fall down. I think those projects might take precedence over renumbering the exits on the interstates.
Personally, I'm don't see whats wrong with sequential exits and I'll admit to being one of those stubborn New Englanders who hates change. On top of that, being a Rhode Islander, when I give directions, I'll still use the old exit numbers and landmarks that don't exist anymore (ex: take a right past where the old Almacs used to be).
Quote from: doogie1303 on May 28, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: southshore720 on April 28, 2014, 02:08:11 PM
Prior to I-295's sign replacement in the mid-to-late 2000's, old BGSs between Exits 7-10 contained exit tabs that had both the sequential exit number and the mile marker. A road geek out there may have more historical background on the significance of that... ;-)
I remember those signs, always thought they were kind of odd considering none of the other freeways in RI were like that. If I remember correctly, before they were taken down in the 2000's, they took off the mileage portion on some of the signs just leaving a very long exit stub on top.
Back to the main topic of renumbering, I don't think we are going to see a renumbering anytime soon, RI just re-signed BGS on the interstates a few years ago, so I don't think they are in a hurry to re-sign again. DOT has more pressing projects like the I-95 viaduct or the exit 8 (or would that be exit 24) overpass that's about ready to fall down. I think those projects might take precedence over renumbering the exits on the interstates.
Personally, I'm don't see whats wrong with sequential exits and I'll admit to being one of those stubborn New Englanders who hates change. On top of that, being a Rhode Islander, when I give directions, I'll still use the old exit numbers and landmarks that don't exist anymore (ex: take a right past where the old Almacs used to be).
Exit numbering can be as simple as a $50 patch of reflective tape on each sign. 30 exits, figure roughly 200 signs total, $10,000 for I-95, figure $20,000 to get 295 and 195 in. That's a pittance compared to any real project.
Reflective tape patching is ugly...it looks wretched on the Maine Turnpike signage. I don't think it would be that labor intensive to remove the old digits and post new digits to the existing signage.
Quote from: doogie1303 on May 28, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
On top of that, being a Rhode Islander, when I give directions, I'll still use the old exit numbers and landmarks that don't exist anymore (ex: take a right past where the old Almacs used to be).
I haven't lived in RI in almost 20 years, but I still do this.
Quote from: Alps on May 28, 2014, 10:52:52 PM
Quote from: doogie1303 on May 28, 2014, 09:04:19 PM
Quote from: southshore720 on April 28, 2014, 02:08:11 PM
Prior to I-295's sign replacement in the mid-to-late 2000's, old BGSs between Exits 7-10 contained exit tabs that had both the sequential exit number and the mile marker. A road geek out there may have more historical background on the significance of that... ;-)
I remember those signs, always thought they were kind of odd considering none of the other freeways in RI were like that. If I remember correctly, before they were taken down in the 2000's, they took off the mileage portion on some of the signs just leaving a very long exit stub on top.
Back to the main topic of renumbering, I don't think we are going to see a renumbering anytime soon, RI just re-signed BGS on the interstates a few years ago, so I don't think they are in a hurry to re-sign again. DOT has more pressing projects like the I-95 viaduct or the exit 8 (or would that be exit 24) overpass that's about ready to fall down. I think those projects might take precedence over renumbering the exits on the interstates.
Personally, I'm don't see whats wrong with sequential exits and I'll admit to being one of those stubborn New Englanders who hates change. On top of that, being a Rhode Islander, when I give directions, I'll still use the old exit numbers and landmarks that don't exist anymore (ex: take a right past where the old Almacs used to be).
Exit numbering can be as simple as a $50 patch of reflective tape on each sign. 30 exits, figure roughly 200 signs total, $10,000 for I-95, figure $20,000 to get 295 and 195 in. That's a pittance compared to any real project.
Or just adding/replacing a tab on the top of the signs. That's all ISTHA (Illinois Tollway) is doing around here to add exit numbers to their system.
Regardless, changing the exit numbers to a distance-based system should not be all that difficult.
Quote from: southshore720 on May 28, 2014, 11:50:47 PM
Reflective tape patching is ugly...it looks wretched on the Maine Turnpike signage. I don't think it would be that labor intensive to remove the old digits and post new digits to the existing signage.
Replacing individual digits takes longer than installing overlay panels, and is also more prone to errors (because the crew is handling individual digits). Also, unless the signs you are retro-fitting are relatively new, you will get a shadowing effect where the old digits were. As unappealing to the eye as you think a bright new "reflective" patch on an old sign is, consider the case where a driver is trying to read a new exit number that's intermingled with the shadows of the old number.
Quote from: roadman on May 29, 2014, 04:26:26 PMReplacing individual digits takes longer than installing overlay panels, and is also more prone to errors (because the crew is handling individual digits). Also, unless the signs you are retro-fitting are relatively new, you will get a shadowing effect where the old digits were. As unappealing to the eye as you think a bright new "reflective" patch on an old sign is, consider the case where a driver is trying to read a new exit number that's intermingled with the shadows of the old number.
Hence one reason why MassDOT is replacing many of their BGS'
prior to the exit number changes taking place... less of a contrast between the original panel vs. the overlay.
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 29, 2014, 04:48:56 PM
Quote from: roadman on May 29, 2014, 04:26:26 PMReplacing individual digits takes longer than installing overlay panels, and is also more prone to errors (because the crew is handling individual digits). Also, unless the signs you are retro-fitting are relatively new, you will get a shadowing effect where the old digits were. As unappealing to the eye as you think a bright new "reflective" patch on an old sign is, consider the case where a driver is trying to read a new exit number that's intermingled with the shadows of the old number.
Hence one reason why MassDOT is replacing many of their BGS' prior to the exit number changes taking place... less of a contrast between the original panel vs. the overlay.
Bingo! We have a winner!
Quote from: dgolub on April 28, 2014, 08:50:51 AM
Yeah, having the I-295 exit numbers start over at the state line really doesn't make sense considering how short I-295 is in Massachusetts. Certainly, if the Hutchinson Parkway/Merritt Parkway exit numbers can (sort of) continue across a state line, then there's certainly no reason why it can't happen here. There are some other places where it happens not involving a three-digit interstate. I'm pretty sure that I-86 uses a single exit numbering scheme across the New York-Pennsylvania border.
Yes and no. Pennsylvania uses mileage-based exit numbering for their segment of I-86, but New York State uses sequential exit numbering, (ie. I-86 goes from Pennsylvania's Exit 1 and 3 to New York's Exit 4 (which is about 8 miles from the western terminus at I-90).
Back when PA was sequential, the exit numbers in NY were indeed a continuation of PA's (3 was skipped for reasons unknown). The fact that they still do is now just a coincidence. If NY ever goes mile-based they'll likely reset at the state line just like the mile markers.
I'm reviving this thread due to the upcoming project to re-number exits on I-295 and RI 99 that RIDOT announced the winning bid on yesterday (8/25/17). There are steps the contractor (Liddell Bros.) must take before the contract is officially awarded, so the official go-ahead for the project may take awhile.
Meanwhile, in looking through some of RIDOT's reports, I came upon an entry in the latest quarterly performance report:
http://www.dot.ri.gov/documents/performance/RWQR_Full_Report_7-28-17.pdf (http://www.dot.ri.gov/documents/performance/RWQR_Full_Report_7-28-17.pdf)
that indicates the first phase on the RI 146 Guide Sign Replacement contract will take place in FY 2018 with the project to be advertised for bids in December 2017. There is no mention in the report of any other sign contracts, even the I-295/RI 99 one just bid on, so what this means for a timeline for the renumbering of other highways and interstates is unknown.
Quote from: mrsman on May 18, 2014, 07:25:54 AM
Quote from: spooky on May 02, 2014, 07:43:06 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 02, 2014, 06:41:32 AM
Well it really should. Look at I-395 in CT/MA for example. It not only is a road where people cross state lines like its nothing, but it has little mileage in MA. Therefore for MA to continue CT's mileage would be most practical.
Well, the mileage already resets at the Pike when I-395 becomes I-290. It might be more confusing to have it continue CT mileage into MA, but then reset at zero halfway into MA.
I think the point is that when selecting exit numbers, you have to be really smart about it and make sure that you choose a system that makes sense for the context. Normally, resetting at the state lines make sense, otherwise you'd have exit numbers that are 4 digit long on transcontinental routes. But here for these examples, they say that it makes no sense to reset to zero if the highway only continues a few miles into the next state.
Mileage based exit numbers are great as they let you know how far you need to travel, but there isn't always a necessity to reset to zero at state lines, if a more dramatic point (like a bridge or an interchange) would be a more dramatic transition.
Right so to have mileage based exit numbers on CT-2A makes no sense. The expressway portion is so short, to have mile based adds no value.
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on August 26, 2017, 11:00:02 PM
Right so to have mileage based exit numbers on CT-2A makes no sense. The expressway portion is so short, to have mile based adds no value.
Also, the zero-point on CT 2A (the end of the overlap at CT 2 / I-395) is not what most drivers would even consider part of CT 2A. So it starts at Exit 5.
The funny thing is SR 695 having an Exit 1. In an upcoming sign replacement project, CT 184's 1 exit (on what amounts to an exit ramp itself off of I-95) will get a number (1). This is the same thing that will happen on RI 99. Now, I wonder if even SR 571 will get a number.
SR 571 being the so-called Willow Brook Connector in Berlin, near the New Britain city line. It barely runs a mile east/west. The only exit is for CT Route 71.
As for I-295 in RI/MA, this is how the end is signed in Massachusetts now:
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The RI mileage is 23.4 at the Massachusetts border:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGZ6sjQx.jpg&hash=ccde3e4a6d07135f477e47221349ac37e05d4671)
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 27, 2017, 01:24:10 AM
The funny thing is SR 695 having an Exit 1. In an upcoming sign replacement project, CT 184's 1 exit (on what amounts to an exit ramp itself off of I-95) will get a number (1). This is the same thing that will happen on RI 99. Now, I wonder if even SR 571 will get a number.
What about RI 78?
Providence TV station reports renumbering of I-295 exit numbers will start in November and be finished in 6 weeks. All highway numbers to be changed by 2020:
http://wpri.com/2017/09/22/ridot-to-renumber-i-295-exits/ (http://wpri.com/2017/09/22/ridot-to-renumber-i-295-exits/)
Quote from: JJBers on August 27, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 27, 2017, 01:24:10 AM
The funny thing is SR 695 having an Exit 1. In an upcoming sign replacement project, CT 184's 1 exit (on what amounts to an exit ramp itself off of I-95) will get a number (1). This is the same thing that will happen on RI 99. Now, I wonder if even SR 571 will get a number.
What about RI 78?
Current Exit 3 EB becomes Exit 1, current Exit 4 WB becomes Exit 2A, and Exit 5 becomes Exit 2 EB, Exit 2B WB. No numbers for the termini at CT 2 and US 1. CT 2 would become Exit 1 only if CT 78 were ever extended to I-95 (assuming the I-95 interchange is a partial interchange with 95N -> 78E and 78W -> 95S)
knock a hole or 2 off that golf course
the fake tits white man gave mother nature
ain't nobody what counts gonna miss it
Quote from: yakra on September 23, 2017, 02:37:49 AM
knock a hole or 2 off that golf course
the fake tits white man gave mother nature
ain't nobody what counts gonna miss it
Um, what?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 23, 2017, 01:01:01 AM
current Exit 4 WB becomes Exit 2A, and Exit 5 becomes Exit 2 EB, Exit 2B WB.
Yuck. RIDOT is being a little meticulous here in all the wrong ways.
I mean I get that exit 4 WB is closer to mile 2, but 3/4 are effectively the same interchange, so why not just make that exit 1 both ways? Then you can just make exit 5 exit 2, and not have the mess of it being 2 EB and 2B WB.
The same interchange having a different exit number in each direction is potentially confusion-inducing due to its inconsistency, and RIDOT in their infinite wisdom wants to do this for *both* interchanges on RI 78 when it would be easy to do it for neither. :pan:
Of course, it is RIDOT.
New article about upcoming I-295 exit renumbering. This one has a list of the new exit numbers:
http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20171004/rhode-island-set-to-renumber-all-highway-exits (http://www.providencejournal.com/news/20171004/rhode-island-set-to-renumber-all-highway-exits)
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php)
Missing 138?? And 6? But they got the one exit on TF Green connector??
Quote from: Alps on October 06, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php)
Missing 138?? And 6? But they got the one exit on TF Green connector??
Guess they heard about Cape Cod residents not liking the numbers MassDOT was planning to assign for US 6 (starting at 55) and decided not to do risk the entire project by pushing similar 'illogical' numbers for those routes.
RIDOT has set up its own webpage listing (and mapping) the new I-295 exit numbers:
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php)
Also missing RI 146.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 06, 2017, 01:42:32 AM
Also missing RI 146.
RI 146 will be getting its own set of numbers with a signage replacement contract to be let in December. The project will be done in 3 phases. With the first phase new gore signs with the new numbers will be placed at exits not having their signs replaced until the later phases are done.
I just hope they pick a good contractor for the RI 146 signs and use the correct R.I. trailblazer shields for the BGSs. 146 has been the RIDOT stepchild for many, many years. Inadequate signage, dangerous on-ramps (esp. 116 N to 146 S), broken light towers. And don't get me started on the Sayles Hill Road signalized intersection!
Quote from: southshore720 on October 17, 2017, 11:26:07 AM
I just hope they pick a good contractor for the RI 146 signs and use the correct R.I. trailblazer shields for the BGSs. 146 has been the RIDOT stepchild for many, many years. Inadequate signage, dangerous on-ramps (esp. 116 N to 146 S), broken light towers. And don't get me started on the Sayles Hill Road signalized intersection!
Theres no excuse for that signalized intersection, the RI one is in an important spot, needs to go
The one in Mass is in just as important a spot as the one in RI. In a congested commuter corridor in the suburbs of Worcester. Both of these lights cause some pretty heinous back-ups in evening rush hour.
The RIDOT website for the Exit Renumbering Project has added this information about I-295, it appears that project will only take 2 weeks:
"I-295 Timeline. The project will proceed from north to south, The contractor will complete renumbering each interchange before moving to the next interchange. The schedule is as follows:
Week of November 27 - Old exits 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11
Week of December 4: Old exits 1, 2 and 4
The Exit 3/Route 37 interchange is located at Mile Marker 3, and will not need to be changed. All schedules are weather dependent and subject to change."
Pretty similar to what I have without an exit 0. I did not give an exit number to I-95 North since it technically a situation where a duplexes route's mainline (US 6), briefly joins I-95.
Eastbound
Exit 1: Gano St/India Point
Exit 2A: US 44 East
Exit 2B: RI 103 East
Exit 3A: RI 103/East Providence
Exit 3B: RI 114 South
Exit 4: US 6 East/US 1A North TO RI 114 North
Westbound
Exit 3: TO US 44/RI 103
Exit 2: Gano St/India Point
Exit 1D: US 44 West/ US 1A South
Exit 1C: Eddy St
Exit 1B: Point St
Exit 1A: I-95 South
Interesting they plan to do RI-78 as well. I wonder if this will also coincide with new signage. I know they are the last remaining non-reflective signs in the state.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4432/37029451031_788e078d5f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YqaBGT)
I would put money on RIDOT going to all LGS on the entire RI 78 stretch. RIDOT LOVES the LGSs. Smaller, harder to read...that's the RIDOT way.
Quote from: southshore720 on November 24, 2017, 01:51:17 AM
I would put money on RIDOT going to all LGS on the entire RI 78 stretch. RIDOT LOVES the LGSs. Smaller, harder to read...that's the RIDOT way.
Also sounds like my ex-girlfriend :-D
RIDOT's Travel Advisory website has been updated for the next week and includes an entry for shoulder closings Monday to Thursday nights for the exit renumbering project on both I-295 and RI 99. Here's the entry for the latter:
"Rte. 99 North and South, from Rte. 146 to Rte. 122 (Mendon Rd.), shoulder closures in a moving operation for exit renumbering, Monday-Thursday nights from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m. the following day." The same days and hours for I-295. You wouldn't think it would take all week to take care of RI 99.
RI 99 and all 1 of its exits? Would take 20 years and 5 EIS's if it were ConnDOT.
Tonight's the start night of the renumber project, starting with the Cumberland exits.
If the two week timetable is to be believed for 295, then we're probably looking at Cumberland (114 and 122) tonight, 146 tomorrow night, Smithfield (7 and 44) Wednesday, US 6 by the weekend
Looks like there a little behind schedule. RIDOT posted photos from the changes made for the RI 122 exit last night on their Facebook page and said they were doing Exit 10 tonight. Here's one of the photos they posted:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi295rinewexit22cridotw.jpg&hash=0eca365bc33ca7870d5d63fbf17c87cdc7c3bb19)
I have posted the others on a new section at the top of my Misc. Photos page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
Placement of the "OLD EXIT XX" tab above the new exit tab, especially when retrofitting existing signs, always concerns me due to potential wind loading issues.
Quote from: Alps on October 06, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php)
Missing 138?? And 6? But they got the one exit on TF Green connector??
The website has been updated to indicate completion of changing numbers for former exits 8B, 9, 10 and 11. The original plan called for completion from Exit 5 northward by this time, this has been revised saying all the remaining exits are to be renumbered next week. Given that they have only been able to do 1 exit a night, and next week they will be working Sunday through Thursday nights, it's logical to assume there will still may be 1 (as in old Exit 1) to be completed at the end of this coming week.
Interesting thing: Google Maps has updated I-295's exit numbers northbound, but left the old numbers southbound.
The RIDOT Renumbering Project website reports all the exit numbers along I-295 have been changed as of early this morning (with the exception of Exit 3 at MM 3). The travel advisory page also removed the notice about exit renumbering work along RI 99 from its list as of last Saturday, so that project has been completed as well.
With the news that the I-295 Exit Renumbering Project was complete, I took a road trip down to take a look on Monday. I've posted photos of many of the new exit numbered signs, including this overhead approaching the RI 146 exit,:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi295riexitnums1217j.JPG&hash=1a4dff25ee82fb5ecf15530021cc2b598b516c6e)
and this ground-mounted sign for RI 7:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi295riexitnums1217xx.JPG&hash=a88e91e5d634b8b91b152ffbdfe185d627caf579)
on the space on my Misc. Mass. Road Photos page that I had reserved for the Massachusetts Exit Renumbering Project:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
Which until that is started will be devoted to RI and CT's exit renumbering projects.
Also photos for the new exit number signs on RI 99.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 03, 2017, 12:30:43 PM
Interesting thing: Google Maps has updated I-295's exit numbers northbound, but left the old numbers southbound.
Strange, then again google maps has done some fishy things always.
Quote from: bob7374 on December 12, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
With the news that the I-295 Exit Renumbering Project was complete, I took a road trip down to take a look on Monday. I've posted photos of many of the new exit numbered signs, including this overhead approaching the RI 146 exit,:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi295riexitnums1217j.JPG&hash=1a4dff25ee82fb5ecf15530021cc2b598b516c6e)
and this ground-mounted sign for RI 7:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi295riexitnums1217xx.JPG&hash=a88e91e5d634b8b91b152ffbdfe185d627caf579)
on the space on my Misc. Mass. Road Photos page that I had reserved for the Massachusetts Exit Renumbering Project:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
Which until that is started will be devoted to RI and CT's exit renumbering projects.
Also photos for the new exit number signs on RI 99.
Good photos Bob, as always. Interesting that, unlike other states (PA, ME) that have done exit number conversions, RI has chosen to place the "OLD EXIT XX" plates on every advance sign for the interchange, as well as with the gore sign.
So...I-295 exits from itself in Johnston? I've taken the other ramp in that area many times for US Route 6 West, heading back towards greater Hartford.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 13, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
So...I-295 exits from itself in Johnston? I've taken the other ramp in that area many times for US Route 6 West, heading back towards greater Hartford.
Same here. The ramp was originally built for the I-84 that never was, and traffic from route 6 west exiting to 295 south utilizes that area, but I'd like to know the rationale of keeping the ramp open despite I-84 being cancelled. Is it a symbol of holding out hope that someday I-84 will be built to Hartford, much like the overpass on CT 82 is a symbol of holding out hope that someday CT 11 will be completed?
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 13, 2017, 10:01:44 PM
So...I-295 exits from itself in Johnston? I've taken the other ramp in that area many times for US Route 6 West, heading back towards greater Hartford.
I guess you're referring to I-295 having a U-turn exit in Johnston. That's not exiting itself.
Unless you are law enforcement or RIDOT maintenance crews, that U-Turn is absolutely useless.
Quote from: bob7374 on December 12, 2017, 11:59:04 PM
With the news that the I-295 Exit Renumbering Project was complete, I took a road trip down to take a look on Monday. I've posted photos of many of the new exit numbered signs, including this overhead approaching the RI 146 exit,:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi295riexitnums1217j.JPG&hash=1a4dff25ee82fb5ecf15530021cc2b598b516c6e)
and this ground-mounted sign for RI 7:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi295riexitnums1217xx.JPG&hash=a88e91e5d634b8b91b152ffbdfe185d627caf579)
on the space on my Misc. Mass. Road Photos page that I had reserved for the Massachusetts Exit Renumbering Project:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
Which until that is started will be devoted to RI and CT's exit renumbering projects.
Also photos for the new exit number signs on RI 99.
Excellent photo album, Bob! You saved me a trip!
Interesting to note that the new exit numbers don't match the mile numbers that used to be shown on the old dual mile/exit exit tabs.
Why is there a discrepancy regarding the OLD tabs?
RIDOT has just posted that they will let the contract to replace exit signage along RI 146 on Feb 21. The new signs will have mileage based exit numbers, and, based on information in the Dec. 2017 RIDOT STIP the project will take place in 2 phases, the first phase between the MA border to Lincoln, the second phase will complete the signing through Providence to I-95. (p.249 and 252). Previous reports indicated gore signs with the new numbers will be placed at all the exits during the first phase. The STIP can be accessed at: http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf (http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf)
Quote from: bob7374 on January 27, 2018, 12:17:39 PM
RIDOT has just posted that they will let the contract to replace exit signage along RI 146 on Feb 21. The new signs will have mileage based exit numbers, and, based on information in the Dec. 2017 RIDOT STIP the project will take place in 2 phases, the first phase between the MA border to Lincoln, the second phase will complete the signing through Providence to I-95. (p.249 and 252). Previous reports indicated gore signs with the new numbers will be placed at all the exits during the first phase. The STIP can be accessed at: http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf (http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf)
Exit numbers! Will the traffic light get one?
Quote from: bob7374 on January 27, 2018, 12:17:39 PM
RIDOT has just posted that they will let the contract to replace exit signage along RI 146 on Feb 21. The new signs will have mileage based exit numbers, and, based on information in the Dec. 2017 RIDOT STIP the project will take place in 2 phases, the first phase between the MA border to Lincoln, the second phase will complete the signing through Providence to I-95. (p.249 and 252). Previous reports indicated gore signs with the new numbers will be placed at all the exits during the first phase. The STIP can be accessed at: http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf (http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf)
Two phases? Route 146 isn't THAT long.
:D
Quote from: roadman on January 28, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 27, 2018, 12:17:39 PM
RIDOT has just posted that they will let the contract to replace exit signage along RI 146 on Feb 21. The new signs will have mileage based exit numbers, and, based on information in the Dec. 2017 RIDOT STIP the project will take place in 2 phases, the first phase between the MA border to Lincoln, the second phase will complete the signing through Providence to I-95. (p.249 and 252). Previous reports indicated gore signs with the new numbers will be placed at all the exits during the first phase. The STIP can be accessed at: http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf (http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf)
Two phases? Route 146 isn't THAT long.
Last STIP had it occurring in 3 phases.
Quote from: roadman on January 28, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 27, 2018, 12:17:39 PM
RIDOT has just posted that they will let the contract to replace exit signage along RI 146 on Feb 21. The new signs will have mileage based exit numbers, and, based on information in the Dec. 2017 RIDOT STIP the project will take place in 2 phases, the first phase between the MA border to Lincoln, the second phase will complete the signing through Providence to I-95. (p.249 and 252). Previous reports indicated gore signs with the new numbers will be placed at all the exits during the first phase. The STIP can be accessed at: http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf (http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf)
Two phases? Route 146 isn't THAT long.
True, but it does have two distinct highway segments.
Quote from: spooky on January 29, 2018, 08:14:42 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 28, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 27, 2018, 12:17:39 PM
RIDOT has just posted that they will let the contract to replace exit signage along RI 146 on Feb 21. The new signs will have mileage based exit numbers, and, based on information in the Dec. 2017 RIDOT STIP the project will take place in 2 phases, the first phase between the MA border to Lincoln, the second phase will complete the signing through Providence to I-95. (p.249 and 252). Previous reports indicated gore signs with the new numbers will be placed at all the exits during the first phase. The STIP can be accessed at: http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf (http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf)
Two phases? Route 146 isn't THAT long.
True, but it does have two distinct highway segments.
Does that mean that the short expressway-grade section isn't getting replaced and numbered? In Mass the non-freeway segment got the new signs with exit numbers along with the rest of the road
Quote from: AMLNet49 on January 29, 2018, 11:32:32 AM
Quote from: spooky on January 29, 2018, 08:14:42 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 28, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 27, 2018, 12:17:39 PM
RIDOT has just posted that they will let the contract to replace exit signage along RI 146 on Feb 21. The new signs will have mileage based exit numbers, and, based on information in the Dec. 2017 RIDOT STIP the project will take place in 2 phases, the first phase between the MA border to Lincoln, the second phase will complete the signing through Providence to I-95. (p.249 and 252). Previous reports indicated gore signs with the new numbers will be placed at all the exits during the first phase. The STIP can be accessed at: http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf (http://www.planning.ri.gov/documents/tip/2018/STIP_FULL_01_09_18.pdf)
Two phases? Route 146 isn't THAT long.
True, but it does have two distinct highway segments.
Does that mean that the short expressway-grade section isn't getting replaced and numbered? In Mass the non-freeway segment got the new signs with exit numbers along with the rest of the road
The non-freeway portion is easier to number than the area surrounding 295. RI 116 has two ramps southbound but only one northbound. Southbound, 116 would be 8B and 8A, and 295 would be 8D and 8C. Northbound, RI 116 would be 8A, but 295 could either be 8B and 8C to stay in sequence or 8C and 8D to be consistent with southbound numbering. Getting back to the non-freeway portion: Exit 9 NB would be for RI 99, while the RIRO SB at Reservoir Road (if numbered) would be Exit 9. The at-grade Sayles Hill Rd. intersection (if numbered) would be Exit 10. The NB only exit to RI 146A would be Exit 11, while the RIRO to Sayles Hill Rd SB (if numbered) would be Exit 11; the U-Turn to Exit 11 NB is just that; no number needed.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 29, 2018, 12:13:07 PMThe NB only exit to RI 146A would be Exit 11, while the RIRO to Sayles Hill Rd SB (if numbered) would be Exit 11; the U-Turn to Exit 11 NB is just that; no number needed.
I'll disagree, because the Palisades Interstate Parkway signs its U-turns for the exit on the other side. SB should have an 11B-11A setup (assuming you've got the mileposts right, I'm not checking), which means that the NB exit would just be 11A. (I think that's better than 11B. Since SB exits happen simultaneously, you can choose which is which.)
Except the U-turn really serves as more of an on-ramp to RI-146 NB from 146A SB than anything else. While you can technically use it as a 146 SB to 146A movement, doing so is really dangerous. You have a very tight weave SB, and NB you almost have to cross the mainline lanes at a 90 degree angle. I would re-stripe and sign this purely as an entrance to NB from 146A SB and not as an exit.
Quote from: Beeper1 on January 29, 2018, 10:45:59 PM
Except the U-turn really serves as more of an on-ramp to RI-146 NB from 146A SB than anything else. While you can technically use it as a 146 SB to 146A movement, doing so is really dangerous. You have a very tight weave SB, and NB you almost have to cross the mainline lanes at a 90 degree angle. I would re-stripe and sign this purely as an entrance to NB from 146A SB and not as an exit.
Fair. I concede.
It appears Liddell Bros. was the winning bidder for RIDOT's second exit renumbering contract today. The winning bid was $696,995. For that price, how many routes do you think will be renumbered? None of the state routes to be switched has more than 6 exits in each direction (RI 10 and 24).
The bid item list may give a clue, if there's someone who can decipher it:
https://www.pmp.dot.ri.gov/PMP/PMPReporting/Home.mvc/ReportViewer/381859 (https://www.pmp.dot.ri.gov/PMP/PMPReporting/Home.mvc/ReportViewer/381859)
Quote from: bob7374 on September 11, 2018, 10:52:42 PM
It appears Liddell Bros. was the winning bidder for RIDOT's second exit renumbering contract today. The winning bid was $696,995. For that price, how many routes do you think will be renumbered? None of the state routes to be switched has more than 6 exits in each direction (RI 10 and 24).
The bid item list may give a clue, if there's someone who can decipher it:
https://www.pmp.dot.ri.gov/PMP/PMPReporting/Home.mvc/ReportViewer/381859 (https://www.pmp.dot.ri.gov/PMP/PMPReporting/Home.mvc/ReportViewer/381859)
This bid item list appears to be incomplete. It discusses sign panels, posts, and foundations to be removed and disposed, as well as temporary traffic control items. But the items for new signs/sign overlays are missing.
Quote from: roadman on September 12, 2018, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on September 11, 2018, 10:52:42 PM
It appears Liddell Bros. was the winning bidder for RIDOT's second exit renumbering contract today. The winning bid was $696,995. For that price, how many routes do you think will be renumbered? None of the state routes to be switched has more than 6 exits in each direction (RI 10 and 24).
The bid item list may give a clue, if there's someone who can decipher it:
https://www.pmp.dot.ri.gov/PMP/PMPReporting/Home.mvc/ReportViewer/381859 (https://www.pmp.dot.ri.gov/PMP/PMPReporting/Home.mvc/ReportViewer/381859)
This bid item list appears to be incomplete. It discusses sign panels, posts, and foundations to be removed and disposed, as well as temporary traffic control items. But the items for new signs/sign overlays are missing.
Interesting. The new contract is almost for twice the amount of last year's I-295/RI 99 project, $697,000 vs. $350,000. Doing some back of the envelope calculating, since last year's contract changed the signs of 11 exits (the 1 on RI 99 and all but Exit 3A/B on I-295), then, presuming similar costs, this contract could change as many as 22 exits. Or perhaps a more precise measure would be the number of exit ramps whose numbers were changed, the total in both directions for I-295/RI 99 was 31, so say 62 potentially for the new contract. From looking at RI exit lists it appears that all the RI routes to have numbers change total around 65 at a maximum, therefore it's conceivable that the new contract will be changing numbers on most, if not all, RI routes. Assuming RIDOT will start publicizing the changes around the same time they did last year, we can expect to see what actual routes are included in the project in about a month.
I'm guessing either I-95 or everything that isn't I-95 or I-295. I think I remember reading that I-95 would be last, so that would make it everything else.
RIDOT has posted the numbers for the next 2 routes to switch, RI 4 and RI 78 (Also adding numbers to RI 403). Numbers on their Exit Remumbering Project page: http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php)
Wow. Kind of a small group this round.
I hope this means RI-78 will be getting new signage overall, since it is a mix of super-worn-out 1970s signage and typical piss-poor RI LGSs.
Quote from: Beeper1 on December 04, 2018, 08:17:04 PM
Wow. Kind of a small group this round.
I hope this means RI-78 will be getting new signage overall, since it is a mix of super-worn-out 1970s signage and typical piss-poor RI LGSs.
I must admit to much sadness seeing all of the old and weird signage getting replaced over the years. The diagrammatics that used to grace 95 and 195, the mile/sequential exit tabs on 295, the LGSs on 78, random button copy, all heading to the forever home.
My list has it right with the exception of the RI 2 exit on RI 4 (I had it as 6, while it's actually 5). Also surprised the west end of 403 ramps to RI 4 are not numbered 1A (4 South) and 1B (4 North TO I-95)
Quote from: Alps on December 05, 2018, 12:28:12 AM
Quote from: Beeper1 on December 04, 2018, 08:17:04 PM
Wow. Kind of a small group this round.
I hope this means RI-78 will be getting new signage overall, since it is a mix of super-worn-out 1970s signage and typical piss-poor RI LGSs.
I must admit to much sadness seeing all of the old and weird signage getting replaced over the years. The diagrammatics that used to grace 95 and 195, the mile/sequential exit tabs on 295, the LGSs on 78, random button copy, all heading to the forever home.
According to this press release by RIDOT about the next round of exit numbering, it "also will upgrade faded and deteriorated guide signage along these routes, as needed." It also say they are giving numbers to the Airport Connector:
https://www.ri.gov/press/view/34782 (https://www.ri.gov/press/view/34782)
Good thing, 'cause those on RI 78 were old.. 20 years ago!
So I know RI 146 is "separate" from the Renunbering Project because it's having a sign replacement project done, but have the expected new exit numbers for 146 been published by RIDOT?
Quote from: AMLNet49 on December 07, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
So I know RI 146 is "separate" from the Renunbering Project because it's having a sign replacement project done, but have the expected new exit numbers for 146 been published by RIDOT?
Not that I am aware of. There's also been no listing on RIDOT's Travel Advisories site about any impact related to sign replacement on RI 146, so it doesn't appear work has started yet even though the contract was let more than a year ago. Unfortunately, RIDOT does not have a project listing page like MassDOT indicating what contracts are under construction.
Quote from: bob7374 on December 07, 2018, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: AMLNet49 on December 07, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
So I know RI 146 is "separate" from the Renunbering Project because it's having a sign replacement project done, but have the expected new exit numbers for 146 been published by RIDOT?
Not that I am aware of. There's also been no listing on RIDOT's Travel Advisories site about any impact related to sign replacement on RI 146, so it doesn't appear work has started yet even though the contract was let more than a year ago. Unfortunately, RIDOT does not have a project listing page like MassDOT indicating what contracts are under construction.
RI 146 is weird too, because it has southbound mileposts that for some reason start at the Mass. line, and I'm guessing they want exit numbers that are the same both ways. But in that case, unless they also fix the southbound mileposts, the numbers won't match.
Wikipedia has proposed (Im assuming by wiki users) numbers based on the northbound mileposts:
1A — RI 246 (SB)
1B (SB) / 1 (NB) — Branch Ave
2 — RI 15
4A — RI 246 (SB)
4B (SB) / 4 (NB) — Twin River Rd
5 — RI 123
6 — Sherman Ave (NB) RI 246 (SB)
7A — RI 246 (SB)
7B (SB) / 7 (NB) — RI 116
8A — I-295 North
8B — I-295 South
8C — RI 99 North (NB)
*Non-Limited Access Section Begins*
9A or 9 — Resevoir Road (SB)
9B or unnumbered — Sayles Hill Road (At-Grade Traffic Light)
*Non-Limited Access Section Ends*
10 — RI 146A (NB) Sayles Hill Road (SB)
12 — RI 104
13 — Pound Hill Road
14 — RI 146A to RI 5
*Massachusetts Line*
Quote from: bob7374 on December 07, 2018, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: AMLNet49 on December 07, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
So I know RI 146 is "separate" from the Renunbering Project because it's having a sign replacement project done, but have the expected new exit numbers for 146 been published by RIDOT?
Not that I am aware of. There's also been no listing on RIDOT's Travel Advisories site about any impact related to sign replacement on RI 146, so it doesn't appear work has started yet even though the contract was let more than a year ago. Unfortunately, RIDOT does not have a project listing page like MassDOT indicating what contracts are under construction.
This week's (Dec. 8-14) RIDOT Travel Advisories does have a listing indicating work will be starting on the exit renumbering project:
"North Kingstown/East Greenwich/Westerly: Partial lane and shoulder closures in a moving operation for sign work at the following locations, Mon.-Fri. from 7 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.: Rte. 4 North and South, from Oak Hill Rd. to I-95; Rte. 403 East and West, from Rte. 4 to Roger Williams Way; and Rte. 78 East and West, from the Conn. line to Rte. 1 (Post Rd.)"
Quote from: bob7374 on December 07, 2018, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on December 07, 2018, 12:02:58 PM
Quote from: AMLNet49 on December 07, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
So I know RI 146 is “separate” from the Renunbering Project because it’s having a sign replacement project done, but have the expected new exit numbers for 146 been published by RIDOT?
Not that I am aware of. There's also been no listing on RIDOT's Travel Advisories site about any impact related to sign replacement on RI 146, so it doesn't appear work has started yet even though the contract was let more than a year ago. Unfortunately, RIDOT does not have a project listing page like MassDOT indicating what contracts are under construction.
This week's (Dec. 8-14) RIDOT Travel Advisories does have a listing indicating work will be starting on the exit renumbering project:
"North Kingstown/East Greenwich/Westerly: Partial lane and shoulder closures in a moving operation for sign work at the following locations, Mon.-Fri. from 7 a.m. to 3:30 p.m.: Rte. 4 North and South, from Oak Hill Rd. to I-95; Rte. 403 East and West, from Rte. 4 to Roger Williams Way; and Rte. 78 East and West, from the Conn. line to Rte. 1 (Post Rd.)"
Yes but not for the Route 146 Sign Replacement.
But either way, we know the progress is 0% or close to it.
I’m just wondering when they are going to publish the new numbers, they don’t even need to start the project to do that, because several proposed numbers on that Wiki list seem dubious to me at best
Removed from Wikipoo. Maybe they'll stay removed.
RIDOT's exit renumbering project started on Dec. 10 along RI 4 and RI 78, along with placing exit numbers on RI 403. I had a chance to drive along RI 4 and RI 403 late last week to document the work that had been completed, mostly putting up the new gore signs. Work to put up new signage had only reached the stage of putting up new support posts. Until all the signage is done, the new gore signs remain hidden behind the old, such as with the RI 2 exit here southbound:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri4signs1218c.JPG&hash=eed16e49589d786926fc4f1e6192694a48eb6217)
I have placed all the photos in my Exit Renumbering section of my Misc. Photos page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
I plan to return when the project is completed to take more photos.
Quote from: bob7374 on December 21, 2018, 03:48:42 PM
RIDOT's exit renumbering project started on Dec. 10 along RI 4 and RI 72
78?
Quote from: bob7374 on December 21, 2018, 03:48:42 PM
RIDOT's exit renumbering project started on Dec. 10 along RI 4 and RI 72, along with placing exit numbers on RI 403. I had a chance to drive along RI 4 and RI 403 late last week to document the work that had been completed, mostly putting up the new gore signs. Work to put up new signage had only reached the stage of putting up new support posts. Until all the signage is done, the new gore signs remain hidden behind the old, such as with the RI 2 exit here southbound:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri4signs1218c.JPG&hash=eed16e49589d786926fc4f1e6192694a48eb6217)
I have placed all the photos in my Exit Renumbering section of my Misc. Photos page:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
I plan to return when the project is completed to take more photos.
So it took an exit renumbering project for RIDOT to finally realize they need to put up a decent exit sign on Route 4 at South County Road. That abomination about to be replaced has been there for probably 15 years.
Quote from: roadman on December 21, 2018, 08:10:40 PM
So it took an exit renumbering project for RIDOT to finally realize they need to put up a decent exit sign on Route 4 at South County Road. That abomination about to be replaced has been there for probably 15 years.
Enjoy all of the new BGS' in RI while you can. I strongly recommend taking photos for posterity's sake. All it will take is a stiff wind, plow, or a drunk driver to knock out the new sign (as RI loves the ground-mount like CT) and we will have the return of the LGS specials. RIDOT is not a fan of in-kind replacement!
I was up in the North Smithfield stretch of RI 146 on Christmas and noticed the little orange Liddell construction squares for BGS mounts at the exit ramps for RI 104, Pound Hill Rd., and RI 146A/5/102. Very slight progress. There are two bridge projects currently in the Pound Hill Rd. area that may interfere with the project. No progress noted elsewhere.
Quote from: shadyjay on December 05, 2018, 05:00:07 PM
Good thing, 'cause those on RI 78 were old.. 20 years ago!
If they are going off the age of the signs, 146 should be in next year's batch since some of those signs can barely be read.
Quote from: southshore720 on December 27, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
I was up in the North Smithfield stretch of RI 146 on Christmas and noticed the little orange Liddell construction squares for BGS mounts at the exit ramps for RI 104, Pound Hill Rd., and RI 146A/5/102. Very slight progress. There are two bridge projects currently in the Pound Hill Rd. area that may interfere with the project. No progress noted elsewhere.
The RIDOT traffic advisory page for this week has the first reference I've seen regarding the RI 146 sign replacement project: "Smithfield/Lincoln: Rte. 146 North and South, from Rte 146A to the Mass. line, right lane and shoulder closures for sign work, Mon.-Fri. form 9 a.m. to 2 p.m." Don't know how the weather will affect the work.
There has been no reference on the same page for exit renumbering elsewhere since mid-December, implying that work is complete, though the exit renumbering project website has not been updated.
Quote from: bob7374 on January 21, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: southshore720 on December 27, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
I was up in the North Smithfield stretch of RI 146 on Christmas and noticed the little orange Liddell construction squares for BGS mounts at the exit ramps for RI 104, Pound Hill Rd., and RI 146A/5/102. Very slight progress. There are two bridge projects currently in the Pound Hill Rd. area that may interfere with the project. No progress noted elsewhere.
The RIDOT traffic advisory page for this week has the first reference I've seen regarding the RI 146 sign replacement project: "Smithfield/Lincoln: Rte. 146 North and South, from Rte 146A to the Mass. line, right lane and shoulder closures for sign work, Mon.-Fri. form 9 a.m. to 2 p.m." Don't know how the weather will affect the work.
There has been no reference on the same page for exit renumbering elsewhere since mid-December, implying that work is complete, though the exit renumbering project website has not been updated.
It would be interesting to install the numbers without announcing them first. The media would hate that, and would seek out people to interview who missed their exit due to the new signage. Unless they just aren't doing numbers for 146 anymore, but that ruins the justification for RI 99's exit number. And for the record I support exit numbers for both roads, although I probably would have signed the intersection at the end of 99 as Exit 2.
The new 2019 edition of Rand McNally has I-295 with its new mile based numbers. I have the edition and checked it to make sure it was not coincidence that maybe the exits each are within a mile or about of one another, but it seems like the numbers do fit well.
Quote from: Beeper1 on December 04, 2018, 08:17:04 PM
Wow. Kind of a small group this round.
I hope this means RI-78 will be getting new signage overall, since it is a mix of super-worn-out 1970s signage and typical piss-poor RI LGSs.
I was on 78 recently. The old numbers were 3,4 and 5. We're there plans to start numbering exits at the never built stretch from I-95 to CT 2?
moto e5 play
Quote from: bob7374 on January 21, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: southshore720 on December 27, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
I was up in the North Smithfield stretch of RI 146 on Christmas and noticed the little orange Liddell construction squares for BGS mounts at the exit ramps for RI 104, Pound Hill Rd., and RI 146A/5/102. Very slight progress. There are two bridge projects currently in the Pound Hill Rd. area that may interfere with the project. No progress noted elsewhere.
The RIDOT traffic advisory page for this week has the first reference I've seen regarding the RI 146 sign replacement project: "Smithfield/Lincoln: Rte. 146 North and South, from Rte 146A to the Mass. line, right lane and shoulder closures for sign work, Mon.-Fri. form 9 a.m. to 2 p.m." Don't know how the weather will affect the work.
There has been no reference on the same page for exit renumbering elsewhere since mid-December, implying that work is complete, though the exit renumbering project website has not been updated.
What did the sign work turn out to be?
Caught the new signs/exit numbers on the Westerly Bypass (RI 78) today....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/albums/72157678314004878
There's finally a sign for old Exit 3/new Exit 1 in the EB/SB direction. Previously, there was just a gore exit arrow. That's it. But wow, what an improvement - the old signs needed to be replaced the last time I was on the bypass, some 15+ years ago.
I didn't drive today down to US 1, instead I got off at RI 91.
Quote from: shadyjay on February 02, 2019, 04:53:37 PM
Caught the new signs/exit numbers on the Westerly Bypass (RI 78) today....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/albums/72157678314004878
There's finally a sign for old Exit 3/new Exit 1 in the EB/SB direction. Previously, there was just a gore exit arrow. That's it. But wow, what an improvement - the old signs needed to be replaced the last time I was on the bypass, some 15+ years ago.
I didn't drive today down to US 1, instead I got off at RI 91.
Was the old yellow "Expressway Ends" BYS still there on RI-78 heading towards CT?
I think these were original to the construction of RI-78:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4424/36337921334_d8013d375a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xn4m25)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4408/36776204120_df27f625ff_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Y2MEdQ)
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on February 03, 2019, 04:50:18 PM
Was the old yellow "Expressway Ends" BYS still there on RI-78 heading towards CT?
I think these were original to the construction of RI-78:
Yes, the [now more white than yellow] Expressway Ends sign is still there, partially obscurred due to construction work on a bridge just before the border.
And I believe the signs that the new ones replaced were the originals. I'm guessing the exit numbers would've been a continuation, had CT 78 been built to I-95:
Exit 1 the ramp to I-95 South
Exit 2 CT 2
Exit 3 High Street
Exit 4 RI 3
Exit 5 RI 91
Thanks, sj. I thought it would be odd that exit #s would span 2 states, but it is a short highway.
Quote from: shadyjay on February 02, 2019, 04:53:37 PM
Caught the new signs/exit numbers on the Westerly Bypass (RI 78) today....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/albums/72157678314004878
There's finally a sign for old Exit 3/new Exit 1 in the EB/SB direction. Previously, there was just a gore exit arrow. That's it. But wow, what an improvement - the old signs needed to be replaced the last time I was on the bypass, some 15+ years ago.
I didn't drive today down to US 1, instead I got off at RI 91.
Great pictures Jay! I don't get to travel RI 78 much, so I'm thankful you took these photos.
Quote from: AMLNet49 on January 30, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 21, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: southshore720 on December 27, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
I was up in the North Smithfield stretch of RI 146 on Christmas and noticed the little orange Liddell construction squares for BGS mounts at the exit ramps for RI 104, Pound Hill Rd., and RI 146A/5/102. Very slight progress. There are two bridge projects currently in the Pound Hill Rd. area that may interfere with the project. No progress noted elsewhere.
The RIDOT traffic advisory page for this week has the first reference I've seen regarding the RI 146 sign replacement project: "Smithfield/Lincoln: Rte. 146 North and South, from Rte 146A to the Mass. line, right lane and shoulder closures for sign work, Mon.-Fri. form 9 a.m. to 2 p.m." Don't know how the weather will affect the work.
There has been no reference on the same page for exit renumbering elsewhere since mid-December, implying that work is complete, though the exit renumbering project website has not been updated.
What did the sign work turn out to be?
Don't know, but RIDOT has continued the traffic advisory for subsequent weeks, including this one. I assumed they are going to be putting in new sign supports and foundations, since this would be hard for them to do during the winter, it must be something else. Perhaps just putting up more orange placement tags for the future sign locations.
Quote from: bob7374 on February 14, 2019, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: AMLNet49 on January 30, 2019, 05:26:04 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on January 21, 2019, 05:11:14 PM
Quote from: southshore720 on December 27, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
I was up in the North Smithfield stretch of RI 146 on Christmas and noticed the little orange Liddell construction squares for BGS mounts at the exit ramps for RI 104, Pound Hill Rd., and RI 146A/5/102. Very slight progress. There are two bridge projects currently in the Pound Hill Rd. area that may interfere with the project. No progress noted elsewhere.
The RIDOT traffic advisory page for this week has the first reference I've seen regarding the RI 146 sign replacement project: "Smithfield/Lincoln: Rte. 146 North and South, from Rte 146A to the Mass. line, right lane and shoulder closures for sign work, Mon.-Fri. form 9 a.m. to 2 p.m." Don't know how the weather will affect the work.
There has been no reference on the same page for exit renumbering elsewhere since mid-December, implying that work is complete, though the exit renumbering project website has not been updated.
What did the sign work turn out to be?
Don't know, but RIDOT has continued the traffic advisory for subsequent weeks, including this one. I assumed they are going to be putting in new sign supports and foundations, since this would be hard for them to do during the winter, it must be something else. Perhaps just putting up more orange placement tags for the future sign locations.
The lastest RIDOT traffic advisory for Feb. 23-March 1 no longer lists any shoulder closings for sign work along RI 146 north of RI 146A. Apparently, whatever work was being done over the past month has been completed.
Is the RI4 renumbering complete?
I saw a yellow "old exit XX" banner on a sign when I passed RI 4 on I-95 last week, so there's a chance it has, depending on where they started.
I went southbound from I-95 to Exit 3A (old Exit 5A) on Saturday and it appeared to be complete. There are new BGS for Exits 3 A & 3B which acknowledge both RI 102 and RI 2 - previous signs were undersized RIDOT specials and only included RI 102.
RI4:Many thanks. So, is the following correct?
| Old Exit | New Exit | Comments |
| 5 | 3 | A/B southbound |
| 6 | 5 | |
| 7 | 7 | A/B southbound. This one keeps its number. |
| 8 | 9 | A/B northbound |
Also, would I be correct in assuming the at-grade junctions south of Exit 3 (Oak Hill Rd, West Allenton Rd) do not have exit numbers? Or are there actually exit numbers at one or more of these?
RI403: Has anyone spotted exit numbers in the field yet?
Quote from: yakra on March 07, 2019, 12:45:13 PM
RI4:
Many thanks. So, is the following correct?
| Old Exit | New Exit | Comments |
| 5 | 3 | A/B southbound |
| 6 | 5 | |
| 7 | 7 | A/B southbound. This one keeps its number. |
| 8 | 9 | A/B northbound |
Also, would I be correct in assuming the at-grade junctions south of Exit 3 (Oak Hill Rd, West Allenton Rd) do not have exit numbers? Or are there actually exit numbers at one or more of these?
RI403: Has anyone spotted exit numbers in the field yet?
The only RI 403 numbers I spotted back in December were on the new gore signs, still hidden behind the old signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri403signs1218e.JPG&hash=19ed8995355340b89a19433b2f2aac7afc2a42b7)
I've posted new photos of the new mileage based exit number signage for RI 4:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri4signs319gg.JPG&hash=c2c0301395b34265e63a9e3c962a4dffc38a067c)
and the new exit number signage for RI 403:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri403signs319g.JPG&hash=ef788d323af7b0698606896f167bbc888f226b95)
on my Misc. Photos website:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
Quote from: bob7374 on March 25, 2019, 02:49:13 PM
and the new exit number signage for RI 403:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri403signs319g.JPG&hash=ef788d323af7b0698606896f167bbc888f226b95)
on my Misc. Photos website:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
Is it me or does that gantry look ridiculously large?
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 25, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
Is it me or does that gantry look ridiculously large?
The gantry looks fine when I see it.
Quote from: Verlanka on March 26, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 25, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
Is it me or does that gantry look ridiculously large?
The gantry looks fine when I see it.
I was referring to the gantry's structural members & post in terms of thickness.
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 26, 2019, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: Verlanka on March 26, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 25, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
Is it me or does that gantry look ridiculously large?
The gantry looks fine when I see it.
I was referring to the gantry's structural members & post in terms of thickness.
I think it's a high wind area.
Quote from: Alps on March 26, 2019, 03:26:13 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 26, 2019, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: Verlanka on March 26, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 25, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
Is it me or does that gantry look ridiculously large?
The gantry looks fine when I see it.
I was referring to the gantry's structural members & post in terms of thickness.
I think it's a high wind area.
The other gantries in the area aren't that humongous.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmalmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri4signs319f.JPG&hash=3a7e6365f5041db505dc3a27ac070e719be056ee)
The way they put that "old exit 6" tab looks odd.
Quote from: Alps on March 26, 2019, 03:26:13 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 26, 2019, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: Verlanka on March 26, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 25, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
Is it me or does that gantry look ridiculously large?
The gantry looks fine when I see it.
I was referring to the gantry's structural members & post in terms of thickness.
I think it's a high wind area.
Highest AASHTO wind zone in Rhode Island is 130 mph. This structure is clearly overbuilt for anticipated wind conditions at this location.
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 26, 2019, 10:42:05 AM
Quote from: Verlanka on March 26, 2019, 09:43:36 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on March 25, 2019, 02:58:18 PM
Is it me or does that gantry look ridiculously large?
The gantry looks fine when I see it.
I was referring to the gantry's structural members & post in terms of thickness.
It's not the only one in Rhode Island that's comically overbuilt
Route 146 update: Exit number gore signs are going up in the Northern stretch from RI 116 upward. I saw a few the other day! Looks like we're finally seeing progress on this project!
Now if only Massachusetts would restart its sequential-to-milepost exit numbering conversion, instead of permanently canceling it.
Quote from: southshore720 on May 21, 2019, 01:44:34 PM
Route 146 update: Exit number gore signs are going up in the Northern stretch from RI 116 upward. I saw a few the other day! Looks like we're finally seeing progress on this project!
Glad to hear the traffic advisory that has been posted about lane closures on RI 146 north of RI 99 for signing work on and off for the last few months finally has something to show for it.
They seem to have gone farther into the Lincoln stretch with the gore signs and they have primarily started on RI 146 Southbound. I thought these were in two different contracts? Interestingly, RI 123 is Exit 5 with no suffix. I'm wondering if that means Twin River Rd. will be Exit 4B and RI 246/O.L. Pike will be Exit 4A...
**UPDATE: It is confirmed that Twin River Rd. will be Exit 4 NB/Exit 4B SB and RI 246/O.L. Pike is Exit 4A SB.
Quote from: southshore720 on May 23, 2019, 11:57:11 AM
They seem to have gone farther into the Lincoln stretch with the gore signs and they have primarily started on RI 146 Southbound. I thought these were in two different contracts? Interestingly, RI 123 is Exit 5 with no suffix. I'm wondering if that means Twin River Rd. will be Exit 4B and RI 246/O.L. Pike will be Exit 4A...
I figured that would be as such when I made my signs. South of there, I have RI 15 as Exit 2, Branch Ave as Exit 1B (Exit 1 NB), and Admiral St as Exit 1A. Twin River Rd would be Exit 4 NB.
Quote from: southshore720 on May 23, 2019, 11:57:11 AM
They seem to have gone farther into the Lincoln stretch with the gore signs and they have primarily started on RI 146 Southbound. I thought these were in two different contracts? Interestingly, RI 123 is Exit 5 with no suffix. I'm wondering if that means Twin River Rd. will be Exit 4B and RI 246/O.L. Pike will be Exit 4A...
As part of the first contract, numbered gore signs are to be installed at all the RI 146 exits. The rest of the exit signs south of I-295 will be installed under the second contract.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 21, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Now if only Massachusetts would restart its sequential-to-milepost exit numbering conversion, instead of permanently canceling it.
Yes! Because motorists using signage to know how many miles they are from their desired exit is so important in the age of GPS that we should spend millions of dollars on statewide sign conversions!
Quote from: mass_citizen on May 24, 2019, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 21, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Now if only Massachusetts would restart its sequential-to-milepost exit numbering conversion, instead of permanently canceling it.
Yes! Because motorists using signage to know how many miles they are from their desired exit is so important in the age of GPS that we should spend millions of dollars on statewide sign conversions!
Two things:
1. The first part of your quote can be considered
fighting words; read my signature line... just saying.
2. MassDOT is already replacing many of its signs
anyway; so while the numbers haven't changed yet on those new signs, the new exit tab panels are sized for pending mile-marker based exit numbers (i.e. should EXIT XX become EXIT YY A). That said, the
money spent argument is comparatively moot.
Quote from: mass_citizen on May 24, 2019, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 21, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Now if only Massachusetts would restart its sequential-to-milepost exit numbering conversion, instead of permanently canceling it.
Yes! Because motorists using signage to know how many miles they are from their desired exit is so important in the age of GPS that we should spend millions of dollars on statewide sign conversions!
Yes. Yes, we should. From the authorization I saw, it wasn't that expensive.
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 24, 2019, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: mass_citizen on May 24, 2019, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 21, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Now if only Massachusetts would restart its sequential-to-milepost exit numbering conversion, instead of permanently canceling it.
Yes! Because motorists using signage to know how many miles they are from their desired exit is so important in the age of GPS that we should spend millions of dollars on statewide sign conversions!
Two things:
1. The first part of your quote can be considered fighting words; read my signature line... just saying.
2. MassDOT is already replacing many of its signs anyway; so while the numbers haven't changed yet on those new signs, the new exit tab panels are sized for pending mile-marker based exit numbers (i.e. should EXIT XX become EXIT YY A). That said, the money spent argument is comparatively moot.
Too many people fart around with their GPS instead of paying attention to the signs and the road anymore and indeed the signs are being replaced anyway; the stink on the Cape came when people saw the plans for the sign replacement, not just exit number changes alone.
Quote from: PurdueBill on May 26, 2019, 02:22:17 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 24, 2019, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: mass_citizen on May 24, 2019, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 21, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Now if only Massachusetts would restart its sequential-to-milepost exit numbering conversion, instead of permanently canceling it.
Yes! Because motorists using signage to know how many miles they are from their desired exit is so important in the age of GPS that we should spend millions of dollars on statewide sign conversions!
Two things:
1. The first part of your quote can be considered fighting words; read my signature line... just saying.
2. MassDOT is already replacing many of its signs anyway; so while the numbers haven't changed yet on those new signs, the new exit tab panels are sized for pending mile-marker based exit numbers (i.e. should EXIT XX become EXIT YY A). That said, the money spent argument is comparatively moot.
Too many people fart around with their GPS instead of paying attention to the signs and the road anymore and indeed the signs are being replaced anyway; the stink on the Cape came when people saw the plans for the sign replacement, not just exit number changes alone.
I just find it amazing that a few rich folks on the Cape were able to derail the exit conversion project for the entire state. If it were such an issue for Cape Cod residents, then MassDOT should have just punted on replacing signs and renumbering exits on Cape Cod, while letting exit number conversions for the rest of the state to move forward. This shouldn't be such a big of a deal that opponents make it out to be, since Massachusetts has quite a history of changing its exit numbers. How many times have highway exits been renumbered around Boston over the years?
Quote from: mass_citizen on May 24, 2019, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 21, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Now if only Massachusetts would restart its sequential-to-milepost exit numbering conversion, instead of permanently canceling it.
Yes! Because motorists using signage to know how many miles they are from their desired exit is so important in the age of GPS that we should spend millions of dollars on statewide sign conversions!
By that logic, MassDOT (or whatever it's called) should stop replacing fallen guide signs or guide signs traditionally needing replacement to maintain legibility and just let in vehicle GPS handle the guidance. That way Massaschusetts could really save money: make vehicular guidance a purely entitled, privately funded affair.
Motorists don't know how good they have it until they don't have it anymore.
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 27, 2019, 08:12:20 AM
Quote from: PurdueBill on May 26, 2019, 02:22:17 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 24, 2019, 09:11:38 AM
Quote from: mass_citizen on May 24, 2019, 12:40:01 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on May 21, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
Now if only Massachusetts would restart its sequential-to-milepost exit numbering conversion, instead of permanently canceling it.
Yes! Because motorists using signage to know how many miles they are from their desired exit is so important in the age of GPS that we should spend millions of dollars on statewide sign conversions!
Two things:
1. The first part of your quote can be considered fighting words; read my signature line... just saying.
2. MassDOT is already replacing many of its signs anyway; so while the numbers haven't changed yet on those new signs, the new exit tab panels are sized for pending mile-marker based exit numbers (i.e. should EXIT XX become EXIT YY A). That said, the money spent argument is comparatively moot.
Too many people fart around with their GPS instead of paying attention to the signs and the road anymore and indeed the signs are being replaced anyway; the stink on the Cape came when people saw the plans for the sign replacement, not just exit number changes alone.
I just find it amazing that a few rich folks on the Cape were able to derail the exit conversion project for the entire state. If it were such an issue for Cape Cod residents, then MassDOT should have just punted on replacing signs and renumbering exits on Cape Cod, while letting exit number conversions for the rest of the state to move forward. This shouldn't be such a big of a deal that opponents make it out to be, since Massachusetts has quite a history of changing its exit numbers. How many times have highway exits been renumbered around Boston over the years?
Good points. However, many members of the then new Baker Administration were not fans of the project either, since it was started in the Patrick administration. They apparently decided to take advantage of a vocal minority on the Cape as an excuse to stop the project statewide even after the contract had been awarded. Even stating to the press that the Cape situation was the result of some over eager sign engineers within MassDOT and that the exit number conversion project was really only a proposal for sometime later, despite facts to the contrary.
Looks like 146 has mile-based exits now, but they are still switching the signs
Quote from: Ben114 on June 26, 2019, 10:06:53 AMLooks like 146 has mile-based exits now, but they are still switching the signs.
Given how this thread veered off into Massachusetts; I'm assuming the above changes is for the RI stretch of 146.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 26, 2019, 01:40:19 PM
Quote from: Ben114 on June 26, 2019, 10:06:53 AMLooks like 146 has mile-based exits now, but they are still switching the signs.
Given how this thread veered off into Massachusetts; I'm assuming the above changes is for the RI stretch of 146.
Yes, RI 146. I'll put some pictures up later.
Update: got the photos up!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/benyt2014/
Quote from: Ben114 on June 27, 2019, 09:52:24 AM
Update: got the photos up!
https://www.flickr.com/people/benyt2014/
They're not showing for me.
Quote from: 1 on June 27, 2019, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: Ben114 on June 27, 2019, 09:52:24 AM
Update: got the photos up!
https://www.flickr.com/people/benyt2014/
They're not showing for me.
Edited the link. Try again.
I took a trip down on Sunday to check out the new RI 146 exit numbers and signs. Only the ground mounted signs have been replaced, at least heading north after the freeway resumes after the RI 146A in North Smithfield. Here is the first new sign, the old overhead one still remains in the distance:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri146signs619k.JPG&hash=538640952e3b47b1de65103d0d5978a03af30c00)
The new exit number gore signs for the rest of the route have only been put up heading south. Here is the new Exit 8A sign at the ramp to I-295 North:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri146signs619a.JPG&hash=db2c18b865641972c14d552b2c9bb3b27b04efa1)
All the photos I took are posted on my Misc. Mass. (and other states) Sign Photo Gallery:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/miscsigns.html)
Quote from: bob7374 on July 01, 2019, 09:53:21 PMHere is the new Exit 8B sign...
is the sign an error, or is this just a typo on your part?
Quote from: odditude on July 02, 2019, 09:41:19 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 01, 2019, 09:53:21 PMHere is the new Exit 8B sign...
is the sign an error, or is this just a typo on your part?
It's a typo, signs are correct.
Quote from: bob7374 on July 01, 2019, 09:53:21 PM
I took a trip down on Sunday to check out the new RI 146 exit numbers and signs. Only the ground mounted signs have been replaced, at least heading north after the freeway resumes after the RI 146A in North Smithfield. Here is the first new sign, the old overhead one still remains in the distance:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri146signs619k.JPG&hash=538640952e3b47b1de65103d0d5978a03af30c00)
This photo clearly demonstrates a basic problem with large ground-mounted signs.
RIDOT has updated its Exit Renumbering Project website to include information on the new numbers for RI 146 (although, as they state, this work is not part of that project):
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php)
RIDOT has posted an advertisement for its next round of exit renumbering. The winning bidder is to be announced on August 16. The contract calls for interim completion by Dec. 20 and substantial completion by Feb. 28. One of the bidders, Liddell Bros. (and most likely the winning bidder, since they won the previous 2 contracts) though has posted a question about their capability of completing such a project by that date due to some of the new overhead signs requested in the RFP and wants RIDOT to move back substantial completion to May 31.
Link to the RIDOT Bidding Opportunities Page: http://www.dot.ri.gov/contracting/bids/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/contracting/bids/index.php)
If the project is to include I-95 and I-195, that is a lot of overhead sign work to be accomplished in a short amount of time. Not to mention, the finicky New England winters (November and December can produce a lot of snow, depending on storm tracks), so their request seems logical to me.
Quote from: bob7374 on August 03, 2019, 06:05:27 PM
RIDOT has posted an advertisement for its next round of exit renumbering. The winning bidder is to be announced on August 16. The contract calls for interim completion by Dec. 20 and substantial completion by Feb. 28. One of the bidders, Liddell Bros. (and most likely the winning bidder, since they won the previous 2 contracts) though has posted a question about their capability of completing such a project by that date due to some of the new overhead signs requested in the RFP and wants RIDOT to move back substantial completion to May 31.
Link to the RIDOT Bidding Opportunities Page: http://www.dot.ri.gov/contracting/bids/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/contracting/bids/index.php)
It's nice to see that Liddell can actually admit they can't achieve something in a stated timeframe, instead of their current course to now of just not finishing things at all...
Quote from: shadyjay on August 04, 2019, 11:32:57 AM
If the project is to include I-95 and I-195, that is a lot of overhead sign work to be accomplished in a short amount of time. Not to mention, the finicky New England winters (November and December can produce a lot of snow, depending on storm tracks), so their request seems logical to me.
Sounds like the work is to include the installation of new sign structures. In that context, it appears that Liddell has a valid concern regarding the milestone and completion dates for the contract.
Most likely the contract involves installing the "OLD EXIT ##" panels on existing panels, as well as changing the number on the exit tabs. There are many more overhead signs over the 40+ miles of Interstate 95 than any of the other projects. Accessing the overheads is a greater disruption to traffic and thus more time consuming than just modifying side-mounted signs (such as intermediate signs on I-295). I doubt the project is involving new sign structures themselves.
I'm not sure the difference between "interim" and "substantial" completion is for an exit renumbering project. But, you're going to have to make the panels, then take the time to install them. And I'm sure there's a blackout for work in Warwick-Pawtucket (nighttime work only, or limited daytime hours midday). Throw in a Nor'Easter or two and there goes your project schedule.
Quote from: shadyjay on August 06, 2019, 03:11:52 PM
Most likely the contract involves installing the "OLD EXIT ##" panels on existing panels, as well as changing the number on the exit tabs. There are many more overhead signs over the 40+ miles of Interstate 95 than any of the other projects. Accessing the overheads is a greater disruption to traffic and thus more time consuming than just modifying side-mounted signs (such as intermediate signs on I-295). I doubt the project is involving new sign structures themselves.
I'm not sure the difference between "interim" and "substantial" completion is for an exit renumbering project. But, you're going to have to make the panels, then take the time to install them. And I'm sure there's a blackout for work in Warwick-Pawtucket (nighttime work only, or limited daytime hours midday). Throw in a Nor'Easter or two and there goes your project schedule.
From Liddell's question as posted on the RIDOT page:
QuoteAfter contract award, the Overhead Sign Structure items (T17.0202, T17.0203, T17.0204 and T17.0210) within this project will require a lengthy submittal process of 8 to 12 weeks as well as a lengthy fabrication lead time after approval of 12 to 14 weeks.
So it sounds like there is structural work involved, as well as fabricating sign panels and overlays.
Quote from: roadman on August 06, 2019, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: shadyjay on August 06, 2019, 03:11:52 PM
Most likely the contract involves installing the "OLD EXIT ##" panels on existing panels, as well as changing the number on the exit tabs. There are many more overhead signs over the 40+ miles of Interstate 95 than any of the other projects. Accessing the overheads is a greater disruption to traffic and thus more time consuming than just modifying side-mounted signs (such as intermediate signs on I-295). I doubt the project is involving new sign structures themselves.
I'm not sure the difference between "interim" and "substantial" completion is for an exit renumbering project. But, you're going to have to make the panels, then take the time to install them. And I'm sure there's a blackout for work in Warwick-Pawtucket (nighttime work only, or limited daytime hours midday). Throw in a Nor'Easter or two and there goes your project schedule.
From Liddell's question as posted on the RIDOT page:
QuoteAfter contract award, the Overhead Sign Structure items (T17.0202, T17.0203, T17.0204 and T17.0210) within this project will require a lengthy submittal process of 8 to 12 weeks as well as a lengthy fabrication lead time after approval of 12 to 14 weeks.
So it sounds like there is structural work involved, as well as fabricating sign panels and overlays.
RIDOT responded to the Liddell Bros. question by creating an addendum to the contract pushing back the substantial completion date. The contract was awarded on Friday (8/16), guess who won the contract with a bid of $1.47 million? Liddell Bros., of course. The only other bidder was Roadsafe Systems with a bid of just under $2 million. Expect an announcement about Round 3 of exit renumbering in the next month or so. According to the project details, they will install 9 new cantilever sign posts and 1 61-65 foot overhead span structure as part of the contract plus they will be installing 112 new mile markers. The contract will remove 50 overhead sign exit tabs. Does this indicate just I-95 or other routes as well?
The bid summary is at:
https://www.pmp.dot.ri.gov/PMP/PMPReporting/Home.mvc/ReportViewer/420722 (https://www.pmp.dot.ri.gov/PMP/PMPReporting/Home.mvc/ReportViewer/420722)
Update on RI 146 project, looks like instead of replacing the signs, or even adding new tabs, they have decided to add a small sign along the side of the gantry with the new exit number.
(Tractor-trailer tolling has made it to RI 146, with a $3.50 toll just south of the I-295 interchange.)
Quote from: Ben114 on November 23, 2019, 06:17:38 PM
Update on RI 146 project, looks like instead of replacing the signs, or even adding new tabs, they have decided to add a small sign along the side of the gantry with the new exit number.
(Tractor-trailer tolling has made it to RI 146, with a $3.50 toll just south of the I-295 interchange.)
Replacing the exit signs south of I-295 is to occur next year as part of Phase II of the project. Meanwhile, hopefully the latest round of exit renumbering elsewhere will start soon.
The new exit numbers for I-195; RI 10; and RI 37 have been posted to the RI DOT site.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php
The I-195 renumbering begins on 12/2/19.
Unlike the current fudging and "exceptions for short distance roads" in Massachusetts, RI is going into the alphabet soup.
Quote from: southshore720 on November 27, 2019, 10:44:38 AM
The new exit numbers for I-195; RI 10; and RI 37 have been posted to the RI DOT site.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php
The I-195 renumbering begins on 12/2/19.
Unlike the current fudging and "exceptions for short distance roads" in Massachusetts, RI is going into the alphabet soup.
Too bad they are not starting the I-95 and RI 24 renumbering now as well. Hopefully 'in 2020' will not be until next December.
Quote from: southshore720 on November 27, 2019, 10:44:38 AM
The new exit numbers for I-195; RI 10; and RI 37 have been posted to the RI DOT site.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php
The I-195 renumbering begins on 12/2/19.
Unlike the current fudging and "exceptions for short distance roads" in Massachusetts, RI is going into the alphabet soup.
And they go the Caltrans shite way of not skipping letters for partial interchanges. So Gano Street is 1A eastbound but 1D westbound.
Quote from: bob7374 on November 27, 2019, 12:51:37 PM
Quote from: southshore720 on November 27, 2019, 10:44:38 AM
The new exit numbers for I-195; RI 10; and RI 37 have been posted to the RI DOT site.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php
The I-195 renumbering begins on 12/2/19.
Unlike the current fudging and "exceptions for short distance roads" in Massachusetts, RI is going into the alphabet soup.
Too bad they are not starting the I-95 and RI 24 renumbering now as well. Hopefully 'in 2020' will not be until next December.
https://patch.com/rhode-island/cranston/ridot-renumber-exits-i-195-providence
https://ajot.com/news/ridot-continuing-highway-mile-marker-numbering-program
On the last line in those posts, it says, "Next spring, RIDOT will renumber Route 24 from the Massachusetts line in Tiverton to West Main Road in Portsmouth." So, I guess that I-95 will be the last major highway in Rhode Island to switch to mile-based exits as they are saving the big one for last?
So I guess this means US 6 and RI 138 won't be getting numbers.
Quote from: NE2 on November 27, 2019, 01:18:02 PM
Quote from: southshore720 on November 27, 2019, 10:44:38 AM
The new exit numbers for I-195; RI 10; and RI 37 have been posted to the RI DOT site.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php
The I-195 renumbering begins on 12/2/19.
Unlike the current fudging and "exceptions for short distance roads" in Massachusetts, RI is going into the alphabet soup.
And they go the Caltrans shite way of not skipping letters for partial interchanges. So Gano Street is 1A eastbound but 1D westbound.
We want to address this in the MUTCD, but obviously that won't be until the next edition.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 27, 2019, 05:47:45 PM
So I guess this means US 6 and RI 138 won't be getting numbers.
or the Henderson.... :-D
Quote from: DJ Particle on November 28, 2019, 06:18:26 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 27, 2019, 05:47:45 PM
So I guess this means US 6 and RI 138 won't be getting numbers.
or the Henderson.... :-D
There are some states that would actually number those exits.
I never imagined the Henderson getting numbers, but 6 and 138 have a few exits each and are major connections to Providence and Newport, respectively. If 6 were to get numbers, you'd have:
Exit 15 (WB ONLY): I-295 SOUTH (no # for NB 295 as it is part of I-295 c/d road)
Exit 16: RI 5 Atwells Ave
Exit 17 (WB ONLY) US 6A Providence Ave
Exit 18: RI 128 Killingly St
Exit 19: US 6A WEST Hartford Ave/Olneyville (US 6A signage WB only)
Exit 20A (20 WB): RI 10 SOUTH
Exit 20B (EB ONLY): Broadway
Exit 21A (EB) Memorial Blvd (WB Exit is part of I-95 interchange)
Exit 21B (EB ONLY) I-95 NORTH (no # for SB as it is mainline US 6)
And for 138
Exit 23 (WB ONLY): US 1 NORTH (1 South ramp is 138 mainline)
Exit 25: RI 1A
Exit 27: Helm St (EB) / Beacon Ave (WB)
Exit 29: Coanicus Ave (EB) / East Shore Rd (WB)
Exit 32: RI 238 Downtown Newport (EB) / RI 138A SOUTH (WB)
Wikipedia has updated the I-95 exit list to reflect the forthcoming conversion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_95_in_Rhode_Island
Quote from: Henry on December 02, 2019, 09:36:53 AM
Wikipedia has updated the I-95 exit list to reflect the forthcoming conversion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_95_in_Rhode_Island
I'd take that list with a grain of salt, as RIDOT has yet to post them on the website. Only differences from my list:
I have Exit 5 as 4 (think RI is a round down state)
The Exit 28's need some consistency. 28A should be I-295 on the NB side and the RI 113/I-295 complex SB. 28B should be for RI 113 EAST on both sides.
Slight fudging on the RI 37 numbers to avoid an alphabet city. I had RI 37 as 31 A/B and Jefferson Blvd as 31C.
The 36's SB should be reversed for consistency (see I-84/I-691 in CT) with 36A for I-195/US 6 and 36B for Eddy St (Point St NB). That way, I-195/US 6, a major interchange, has the same number in both directions.
I have the 146's as 38A and Branch Ave as 38B. My US 1/RI 126 exits are 39 A/B NB and 39 SB. I have RI 122 (NB only) as Exit 40, to create less of an alphabet city at 41 so US 1/RI 15 becomes 41A and RI 114 becomes 41B Northbound.
Early this afternoon RIDOT issued the following announcement on their Twitter account:
"We have decided to postpone the renumbering of I-195 to next month, weather permitting.
12:30 PM - 5 Dec 2019"
There's a sign on 37 EB between 295 and RI 2 which says exit numbers changing Fall 2019. Clearly didn't happen. And yikes there's a lot of alphabet soup on 37. Would have just changed Pontiac Ave. to 2C and moved the numbers for 95/1 down one. Considering the west end is at Phenix Ave and not 295, can fudge the numbers a little bit through there.
Also noticed last week there's new BGS up at the 146-146A split going NB. The 146A sign no longer references Park Square, now is North Smithfield. And hopefully soon we'll get rid of the BGS with commas on 146.
RIDOT has the updated the information on its Exit Renumbering Project website adding new exit number information about RI 24 (the project will involve replacing the signs as well as changing numbers) and stating that I-95 exits will be renumbered by late 2020. Only Exits 5 and 6 will be changed for RI 24, Exit 5 will become 4 and Exit 6 will become 5. Therefore, because there is no Exit 4 under the current system, the exits looks more sequential now than they did before.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php)
Though it appears the exit renumbering project has not started after it's December postponement, RIDOT's traffic incident notification page doesn't seem to have gotten the message. It's already using the future exit numbers. Saw a notice earlier today for a lane closed on RI 37 at Pontiac Ave. which they said was Exit 1E, the current number is 3.
RIDOT's Traffic Advisory page listings for next week indicate that work on exit renumbering will start Tuesday night not only on I-195 but on RI 10 and RI 37 too. Also sign work is starting again along RI 146. Also the Exit Renumbering Project website has been taken offline temporarily, presumably to update the page's information.
RIDOT press release about start of latest phase of exit renumbering beginning tonight (1/28):
https://www.ri.gov/press/view/37545 (https://www.ri.gov/press/view/37545)
Once these routes have their exits renumbered, will Rhode Island's sequential-to-mileage-based exit conversion be completed?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 28, 2020, 04:39:23 PM
Once these routes have their exits renumbered, will Rhode Island's sequential-to-mileage-based exit conversion be completed?
The final phase is still only tentatively scheduled, as noted in the press release.
QuoteThe final highway to be done, I-95 from the Connecticut border in Hopkinton to the Massachusetts border in Pawtucket, is tentatively scheduled to be renumbered in late 2020.
Work started last night at the western end of I-195 moving east. Here's a traffic camera image showing the new exit number tabs and yellow old exit tabs above them for former Exits 2, 4 and 5 (and the removal of the 'No Exit 1' sign on the right support post):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Frii195atI-95tcnen12920.jpg&hash=23f7c9b43450636357d3df6b57e37060522cba87)
Here's a media report with more photos:
https://turnto10.com/news/local/new-exit-numbers-appear-on-interstate-195 (https://turnto10.com/news/local/new-exit-numbers-appear-on-interstate-195)
Ironically, there will STILL be No Exit 3. Even if they had left the sign up in error, it would technically be correct!
Former exits 7/8 are about 3 miles from I-95. I would have numbered the exits as follows:
Eastbound:
1 - Gano St
2A - Riverside/Veterans Memorial Parkway
2B - US 44 East
2C - Rte. 103
2D - Broadway (former exit 6)
3A - Rte. 114 South
3B - US 6 East
Westbound:
Would keep it the same, since that "calibrates" the Gano St exit number as 1 in both directions.
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
I also checked out the exit numbering on RI 146. For the section where signs have not been replaced yet, they have placed small green 'Exit #' signs on the current overhead sign posts at each exit ramp:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri146exits220e.JPG&hash=dfa821ed3acf7818c43af477a967b930fb0cae83)
The rest of the I-195, and the RI 146 photos I have posted so far, can be found on the gallery section of my New England Exit Renumbering site: http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html)
Quote from: bob7374 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
More arrows are better!
Quote from: Alps on February 14, 2020, 12:13:27 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
More arrows are better!
Pick an arrow, any arrow. :)
RIDOT crews were out there replacing the exit tabs on RI-10 northbound last night.
Here are the new exit tabs for I-95 (Exits 1B-C):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184740585@N04/49552604098/in/dateposted-public/
Here are the new exit tabs for RI-2 Reservoir Ave (Exit 2A) and the next exit up for Industrial Park and Niantic Avenue (Exit 2B):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184740585@N04/49552607808/in/dateposted-public/
Finally, here is the new exit tab for Industrial Park and Niantic Avenue (Exit 2B):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184740585@N04/49553346347/in/dateposted-public/
I think the image you posted is updated in real time. A static image would work better.
Meanwhile, Google Maps still lists the "old" exit numbers for I-195 in Rhode Island.
Quote from: kramie13 on February 19, 2020, 02:32:44 PMMeanwhile, Google Maps still lists the "old" exit numbers for I-195 in Rhode Island.
Give it time.
Quote from: bob7374 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
I know it's common to see MA state road signage in RI, but the 1A and 114 on that BGS really should have been avoided.
Quote from: lowerdeck on March 01, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
I know it's common to see MA state road signage in RI, but the 1A and 114 on that BGS really should have been avoided.
I'm still confused, isn't this one US 1A?
Quote from: SectorZ on March 01, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: lowerdeck on March 01, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
I know it's common to see MA state road signage in RI, but the 1A and 114 on that BGS really should have been avoided.
I'm still confused, isn't this one US 1A?
I looked on Wikipedia and it apparently is US 1A.
Though oddly, it switches back to SR 1A when Newport Ave crosses into Attleboro.
Quote from: SectorZ on March 01, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: lowerdeck on March 01, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
I know it's common to see MA state road signage in RI, but the 1A and 114 on that BGS really should have been avoided.
I'm still confused, isn't this one US 1A?
No. RI recently decided to convert it to RI 1A. They actually swept through fairly thoroughly, which is unusual for them to do anything either quickly or thoroughly.
Quote from: Alps on March 01, 2020, 12:10:54 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on March 01, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
Quote from: lowerdeck on March 01, 2020, 10:23:10 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
I know it's common to see MA state road signage in RI, but the 1A and 114 on that BGS really should have been avoided.
I'm still confused, isn't this one US 1A?
No. RI recently decided to convert it to RI 1A. They actually swept through fairly thoroughly, which is unusual for them to do anything either quickly or thoroughly.
Perhaps because, according to AASHTO's US Route Log, there's no such route as US 1A in Rhode Island. The conversion of can be seen by comparing these GSV images. The first taken in August 2011 shows a US 1A shield, along with RI 114 on Pawtucket Ave in East Providence taken from Greenwood Ave:
https://goo.gl/maps/3y8xPtwrDEizytB98 (https://goo.gl/maps/3y8xPtwrDEizytB98)
The second is from 8 years later in August 2019 taken on Pawtucket Ave. itself:
https://goo.gl/maps/Lam8AcUp32h5afPn7 (https://goo.gl/maps/Lam8AcUp32h5afPn7)
However, if you pan around to the right and then backwards you will see a US 1A North trailblazer facing the intersection of Elmswood Way and Greenwood Ave. that was also present in 2011. Perhaps they didn't see that one.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php doesn't list any changes to Route 10 South, north of Union Ave./Huntington Ave.
Northbound, 3B is reserved for a Future Ramp to Rte. 6 West. OK, fair enough.
North of there, I see no changes for the unnumbered Dean St & I-95 exits. Is the idea that these are considered US6 exits, and thus use its numbering scheme -- i.e., nothing?
bob7374, others, can we confirm that the rest of the new signage is up?
Quote from: yakra on March 02, 2020, 04:10:51 PM
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php doesn't list any changes to Route 10 South, north of Union Ave./Huntington Ave.
Northbound, 3B is reserved for a Future Ramp to Rte. 6 West. OK, fair enough.
North of there, I see no changes for the unnumbered Dean St & I-95 exits. Is the idea that these are considered US 6 exits, and thus use its numbering scheme -- i.e., nothing?
Yes, apparently RIDOT considers the US 6/RI 10 concurrency as either a different road (it has its own set of mile markers, see this Street View image: https://goo.gl/maps/LtcuLrBRdd5HfpoN9 (https://goo.gl/maps/LtcuLrBRdd5HfpoN9)) or part of US 6, which is not getting exit numbers. RI like MA apparently does not like exit numbers on a route where most of it is not limited access, as is US 6 the final 15 miles to CT. I may do a quick road trip to RI next weekend to check out exit numbering on RI 10 and 37.
Quote from: bob7374 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:14 PM
I took a quick road trip down to RI last Sunday to check out progress on exit renumbering. It appeared that I-195 was almost complete. Here is one of the photos taken on I-195 East:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fi195riexits220v.JPG&hash=05827fcabecc7e62cf553277e4442148cff87c87)
I also checked out the exit numbering on RI 146. For the section where signs have not been replaced yet, they have placed small green 'Exit #' signs on the current overhead sign posts at each exit ramp:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri146exits220e.JPG&hash=dfa821ed3acf7818c43af477a967b930fb0cae83)
The rest of the I-195, and the RI 146 photos I have posted so far, can be found on the gallery section of my New England Exit Renumbering site: http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html)
The font size on the BGS' for the I-195 East Providence exits is making me cringe. Who approved that? This particular contractor loves the "too small" font size. They did the same thing on I-295 SB for the RI 37 BGS for T.F. Green Airport. And considering it's RIDOT, we'll be stuck with these horrible BGS' for another 30 years!
Quote from: southshore720 on March 03, 2020, 09:10:10 AMThe font size on the BGS' for the I-195 East Providence exits is making me cringe. Who approved that? This particular contractor loves the "too small" font size. They did the same thing on I-295 SB for the RI 37 BGS for T.F. Green Airport. And considering it's RIDOT, we'll be stuck with these horrible BGS' for another 30 years!
To be clear & based on the photos in the link; not all of the new signs along I-195 have that malproportioned mixed-case letters. As a matter of fact, the majority of those new signs did not receive that treatment.
Why some of those got that treatment while the others (thankfully) did not is unknown.
Quote from: yakra on March 02, 2020, 04:10:51 PM
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php doesn't list any changes to Route 10 South, north of Union Ave./Huntington Ave.
Northbound, 3B is reserved for a Future Ramp to Rte. 6 West. OK, fair enough.
North of there, I see no changes for the unnumbered Dean St & I-95 exits. Is the idea that these are considered US6 exits, and thus use its numbering scheme -- i.e., nothing?
bob7374, others, can we confirm that the rest of the new signage is up?
I took a road trip down on Sunday and confirmed all the signs have new exit numbers on RI 10 and RI 37, the exception being for one orange temporary sign southbound in the US 6/RI 10 interchange construction zone. I have posted photos on my website from both routes. Here's a new numbered I-95 exit sign from RI 10:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri10exits320r.JPG&hash=43f1b3ca5136ff994f47153d5ad0cdf41131c0f4)
And here's one from RI 37:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri37exits320p.JPG&hash=cf651777fcd141710b40266d0e164f00a3569c6f)
The full sets can be found at: http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#photos)
Meanwhile, according to the RIDOT travel advisory website, work on changing exit signs and numbers on RI 24 has begun with work scheduled this week from 9 AM to 5 PM. The winning bid for the second contract (2020-CT-001) for the new exit signage for RI 146 from I-95 to I-295 is to be announced next Tuesday, March 24.
Guess what appeared on the RIDOT Travel Advisory page after a week's absence:
Portsmouth/Tiverton: Rte. 24, from Rte. 114 to Mass. line, partial right lane closure in a moving operation for exit renumbering, Mon.-Fri., 9 a.m.-3 p.m.
Perhaps they will actually do work this time, unlike the previous 2 weeks in March when the same advisory was up.
After a week's absence from the traffic advisory listings, the listing for lane closures on RI 24 has returned for next week, but the advisory says for sign work, not exit renumbering. Perhaps they switched out gore signs and placed new sign posts the previous weeks and this week will be devoted to placing the new signs (with new numbers for current Exits 5 and 6). I'll try to schedule a road trip to check it out when the advisory disappears.
Contractors have finished placing new exit signs along MA 24 which included two with new exit numbers. First, the Fish Road exit which was 6, and is now 5:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri24signs620e.JPG&hash=bf3c54c2b9983484159fb0e484ad165007186ce8)
and the former RI 77 to RI 177 SB, now RI 77/North RI 138 exit in both directions, which is now Exit 4:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri24signs620s.JPG&hash=946ebc175abc0cfc22df32345f129686eb8d5efd)
This means I-95 is now the only RI highway with sequential exit numbers. A complete set of photos of all RI 24 exit will be up soon.
Quote from: bob7374 on June 16, 2020, 11:35:44 PM
Contractors have finished placing new exit signs along MA 24 which included two with new exit numbers. First, the Fish Road exit which was 6, and is now 5:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri24signs620e.JPG&hash=bf3c54c2b9983484159fb0e484ad165007186ce8)
and the former RI 77 to RI 177 SB, now RI 77/North RI 138 exit in both directions, which is now Exit 4:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri24signs620s.JPG&hash=946ebc175abc0cfc22df32345f129686eb8d5efd)
This means I-95 is now the only RI highway with sequential exit numbers. A complete set of photos of all RI 24 exit will be up soon.
When does RIDOT plan to renumber exits on I-95?
Quote from: abqtraveler on June 17, 2020, 10:39:42 AM
Quote from: bob7374 on June 16, 2020, 11:35:44 PM
Contractors have finished placing new exit signs along MA 24 which included two with new exit numbers. First, the Fish Road exit which was 6, and is now 5:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri24signs620e.JPG&hash=bf3c54c2b9983484159fb0e484ad165007186ce8)
and the former RI 77 to RI 177 SB, now RI 77/North RI 138 exit in both directions, which is now Exit 4:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri24signs620s.JPG&hash=946ebc175abc0cfc22df32345f129686eb8d5efd)
This means I-95 is now the only RI highway with sequential exit numbers. A complete set of photos of all RI 24 exit will be up soon.
When does RIDOT plan to renumber exits on I-95?
According to the RIDOT project page, the renumbering of the I-95 exits "is tentatively scheduled for late 2020."
A complete set of photos of all the new RI 24 signs is up at:
http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#photos (http://www.malmeroads.net/mass21c/neexitrenumbering.html#photos)
Quote from: bob7374 on March 16, 2020, 12:31:51 PM
I took a road trip down on Sunday and confirmed all the signs have new exit numbers on RI 10 and RI 37, the exception being for one orange temporary sign southbound in the US 6/RI 10 interchange construction zone. I have posted photos on my website from both routes. Here's a new numbered I-95 exit sign from RI 10:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fri10exits320r.JPG&hash=43f1b3ca5136ff994f47153d5ad0cdf41131c0f4)
Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, those sure don't look like 36 inch shields.
I've traveled on both RI 24 and I-295 in the past couple of weeks. On RI 24, some of the changed exit numbers include a yellow "old exit #" tab. But on I-295, the old exit tabs are gone. Why?
Quote from: kramie13 on July 29, 2020, 05:20:11 PM
I've traveled on both RI 24 and I-295 in the past couple of weeks. On RI 24, some of the changed exit numbers include a yellow "old exit #" tab. But on I-295, the old exit tabs are gone. Why?
For I-295, it was up for two years to get everybody in the area get used to the new exit numbers. Once two years are done, they take them down. Massachusetts and Connecticut will be doing the same thing when they get new exit numbers on their highways.
As for Route 24, the first three exits on RI 24 are the same numbers as the original system. It's the last two numbers (OLD 5, NEW 4 and OLD 6, NEW 5) that needed to switch to mile-based.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on July 29, 2020, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on July 29, 2020, 05:20:11 PM
I've traveled on both RI 24 and I-295 in the past couple of weeks. On RI 24, some of the changed exit numbers include a yellow "old exit #" tab. But on I-295, the old exit tabs are gone. Why?
For I-295, it was up for two years to get everybody in the area get used to the new exit numbers. Once two years are done, they take them down. Massachusetts and Connecticut will be doing the same thing when they get new exit numbers on their highways.
Just to clarify. Massachusetts will be keeping the 'OLD EXIT XX" signs in place for a
minimum of two years after the exit numbers are changed. However, MassDOT has no plans to go in and immediately remove the signs after the two year period has ended.
Quote from: roadman on July 29, 2020, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on July 29, 2020, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on July 29, 2020, 05:20:11 PM
I've traveled on both RI 24 and I-295 in the past couple of weeks. On RI 24, some of the changed exit numbers include a yellow "old exit #" tab. But on I-295, the old exit tabs are gone. Why?
For I-295, it was up for two years to get everybody in the area get used to the new exit numbers. Once two years are done, they take them down. Massachusetts and Connecticut will be doing the same thing when they get new exit numbers on their highways.
Just to clarify. Massachusetts will be keeping the 'OLD EXIT XX" signs in place for a minimum of two years after the exit numbers are changed. However, MassDOT has no plans to go in and immediately remove the signs after the two year period has ended.
Are they going to try to compete with Pennsylvania to see how long OLD EXIT signage can be left up? :P
Quote from: PurdueBill on August 22, 2020, 02:38:02 PM
Quote from: roadman on July 29, 2020, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on July 29, 2020, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on July 29, 2020, 05:20:11 PM
I've traveled on both RI 24 and I-295 in the past couple of weeks. On RI 24, some of the changed exit numbers include a yellow "old exit #" tab. But on I-295, the old exit tabs are gone. Why?
For I-295, it was up for two years to get everybody in the area get used to the new exit numbers. Once two years are done, they take them down. Massachusetts and Connecticut will be doing the same thing when they get new exit numbers on their highways.
Just to clarify. Massachusetts will be keeping the 'OLD EXIT XX" signs in place for a minimum of two years after the exit numbers are changed. However, MassDOT has no plans to go in and immediately remove the signs after the two year period has ended.
Are they going to try to compete with Pennsylvania to see how long OLD EXIT signage can be left up? :P
Hopefully not.
When is Interstate 95 going to receive its new exit numbers? It may be last, but it certainly is not least.
Last I heard for I-95, late 2020. May be early 2021 at this point.
I checked the RIDOT recent bids page and found out that the last RIDOT Exit Renumbering Project for I-95 was awarded to Liddell Bros. for $1,129,606.00 on June 19. They were the only bidder, and I never saw the project listed among those posted on the recently awarded contract page. Did other contractors, seeing that Liddell won the other 3 contracts, simply give up trying to bid? No news as when the project is to begin other than the 'late 2020' text on RIDOT's Exit renumbering site which has not been updated since January.
The exits on the Interstate 95 on Rhode Island page on Wikipedia has been changed to mileage-based. However, the old exit numbers are not shown along with the upcoming mileage-based numbers.
Typical. Just brilliant.
Now the page is back to showing the existing sequential exit numbers. Let us know when mileage-based exit numbers are installed along Interstate 95.
Supposedly, I-95 is now the only freeway in the state that still has sequential exit numbers.
Quote from: epzik8 on October 29, 2020, 07:33:56 AM
Supposedly, I-95 is now the only freeway in the state that still has sequential exit numbers.
Anyone know how close RIDOT is to starting the exit conversion on I-95?
According to this page....
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php
...towards the bottom...
QuoteRIDOT will finalize its renumbering program with I-95. That is tentatively scheduled for late 2020.
Quote from: shadyjay on October 29, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
According to this page....
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php
...towards the bottom...
QuoteRIDOT will finalize its renumbering program with I-95. That is tentatively scheduled for late 2020.
If RIDOT does what it did with renumbering last year, there should be an announcement about I-95 some time in November with work starting a month or 2 later.
This morning I was digging through RIDOT's bid results page on their website, and it appears they have awarded a contract to renumber exits on I-95, with the winning (and only) bidder being the Liddell Bros., Inc at around $1.2 million. I'm guessing the contractor will will start the conversion sometime this spring.
I've been searching on RIDOT's site for any news of new I-95 numbers or the project itself, but haven't seen anything. Good to see the project will be done this year and complete RI's conversion. Any official new numbers posted?
Quote from: shadyjay on January 08, 2021, 07:43:12 PM
I've been searching on RIDOT's site for any news of new I-95 numbers or the project itself, but haven't seen anything. Good to see the project will be done this year and complete RI's conversion. Any official new numbers posted?
The project page (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php) hasn't been updated since the I-195 conversion in early 2020.
Quote from: Ben114 on January 08, 2021, 07:53:01 PM
Quote from: shadyjay on January 08, 2021, 07:43:12 PM
I've been searching on RIDOT's site for any news of new I-95 numbers or the project itself, but haven't seen anything. Good to see the project will be done this year and complete RI's conversion. Any official new numbers posted?
The project page (http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php) hasn't been updated since the I-195 conversion in early 2020.
There hasn't been any news and, obviously, the project didn't start at the end of 2020. Could be COVID related factors or simply that Liddell Bros. won 2 of the 3 Massachusetts Exit Renumbering contracts and, since they've started with those, RIDOT will simply have to wait until the contractor is finished in Mass. before their I-95 exits can be renumbered.
Since nothing has been publicly announced recently concerning the renumbering of I-95 exits through Rhode Island, I decided to e-mail the folks at RIDOT to see what they know. Below is their response:
Good morning,
Thank you for reaching out,
Due to funding constraints, this project is currently on hold. Once additional funds become available it will be reprogrammed into the current TIP.
Thank you,
Lindsey Sasso
RIDOT
From that, it appears that due to funding issues, the conversion of I-95's exit numbers to mile-based has been placed on hold indefinitely, or at least until RIDOT can get funding for that project.
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Quote from: abqtraveler on March 18, 2021, 09:26:46 AM
Since nothing has been publicly announced recently concerning the renumbering of I-95 exits through Rhode Island, I decided to e-mail the folks at RIDOT to see what they know. Below is their response:
Good morning,
Thank you for reaching out,
Due to funding constraints, this project is currently on hold. Once additional funds become available it will be reprogrammed into the current TIP.
Thank you,
Lindsey Sasso
RIDOT
From that, it appears that due to funding issues, the conversion of I-95's exit numbers to mile-based has been placed on hold indefinitely, or at least until RIDOT can get funding for that project.
How expensive is slapping overlays on signs?!
Quote from: abqtraveler on January 08, 2021, 10:31:01 AM
This morning I was digging through RIDOT's bid results page on their website, and it appears they have awarded a contract to renumber exits on I-95, with the winning (and only) bidder being the Liddell Bros., Inc at around $1.2 million. I'm guessing the contractor will will start the conversion sometime this spring.
So, what happened to the above?
Looks like their budget is facing problems due to a combination of COVID expenses, the economic fallout of the restrictions and shutdowns, and the phase-out of the car tax. The fact that they have a new governor who is no doubt looking for savings wherever he can find them can't help.
It looks like the exit renumbering for I-95 has been "re-advertised" on September 30, 2021, with a "Notice to Proceed" date of December 2021, and a completion date of April 2023. This was discovered in the Q4 of the quarterly report that was posted sometime within November, and someone pointed out on the Roadwaywiz's live stream that happened this evening.
https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_July-Sept_2021_Insert_A.pdf
Based on RIDOT's Project Bid page, the lowest bid for the project was by (surprise?) Liddell Bros. Inc. with a bid of $925,504 and was awarded on October 22. There were 2 other bidders, unlike when the contract was advertised the first time. Despite the listing of a December NTP on the latest RIDOT Quarterly Report, there has been no public announcement about the project as of yet, nor has the RIDOT project website been updated. I'll plan to keep checking the RIDOT site frequently to see if anything is announced.
I am surprised that MassDOT went along with Rhode Island and changed the only two MA I-295 exits in Attleboro to mile based.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2021, 10:55:12 PM
I am surprised that MassDOT went along with Rhode Island and changed the only two MA I-295 exits in Attleboro to mile based.
IIRC the conversion of I-295 on each side of the state line happened years apart. The MA side was done as part of the statewide switch and had little to do with RI's conversion.
Quote from: vdeane on December 06, 2021, 09:41:29 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2021, 10:55:12 PM
I am surprised that MassDOT went along with Rhode Island and changed the only two MA I-295 exits in Attleboro to mile based.
IIRC the conversion of I-295 on each side of the state line happened years apart. The MA side was done as part of the statewide switch and had little to do with RI's conversion.
The MUTCD would have preferred MassDOT continue RI's mileage for the two I-295 exits, but MassDOT thought the change in numbers helps signal to drivers that the state line had been crossed. Apparently the Mass. Welcome Sign is not impressive enough.
Quote from: bob7374 on December 06, 2021, 10:35:49 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 06, 2021, 09:41:29 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 05, 2021, 10:55:12 PM
I am surprised that MassDOT went along with Rhode Island and changed the only two MA I-295 exits in Attleboro to mile based.
IIRC the conversion of I-295 on each side of the state line happened years apart. The MA side was done as part of the statewide switch and had little to do with RI's conversion.
The MUTCD would have preferred MassDOT continue RI's mileage for the two I-295 exits, but MassDOT thought the change in numbers helps signal to drivers that the state line had been crossed. Apparently the Mass. Welcome Sign is not impressive enough.
3di are allowed to reset at state lines. It's definitely not what you'd want to do for a beltway but you can do it for a spur or loop route that doesn't double back.
Well I believe that each individual state should be able to number their exits as they see fit, however IMO, being I-295 is in Mass for a short period, it should continue what Rhode Island started to simplify things. Considering that Mass only has two exits, it is not that much of a scheme. Even if they copied NJDOT where I-278 gets no exit numbers for its 2 miles within the Garden State is better off.
Usually numbers are to determine relationships between interchanges or mileage. This having two different schemes is not so confusing a it is useless.
Quote from: roadman65 on December 08, 2021, 09:20:29 PM
Well I believe that each individual state should be able to number their exits as they see fit, however IMO, being I-295 is in Mass for a short period, it should continue what Rhode Island started to simplify things. Considering that Mass only has two exits, it is not that much of a scheme. Even if they copied NJDOT where I-278 gets no exit numbers for its 2 miles within the Garden State is better off.
Usually numbers are to determine relationships between interchanges or mileage. This having two different schemes is not so confusing a it is useless.
if they copied i-278 they would have exit numbers
Eastbound has no exit numbers in New Jersey, which is (I think) what he was referring to. Westbound got exit numbers, which actually duplicate the last WB exit number in New York, under the Goethals Bridge replacement.
Quote from: akotchi on December 10, 2021, 10:53:38 AM
Eastbound has no exit numbers in New Jersey, which is (I think) what he was referring to. Westbound got exit numbers, which actually duplicate the last WB exit number in New York, under the Goethals Bridge replacement.
I woulda lost that bet. I thought 2-3 were signed. Whoops.
Quote from: akotchi on December 10, 2021, 10:53:38 AM
Eastbound has no exit numbers in New Jersey, which is (I think) what he was referring to. Westbound got exit numbers, which actually duplicate the last WB exit number in New York, under the Goethals Bridge replacement.
I wasn't counting the Goethals Bridge exits as NJ exits being it's not NJDOT but PANYNJ so it's like a neutral zone. However, I guess WB really does being there are no WB exits off the bridge and the only exits on the NJDOT part is Brunswick Avenue and the Turnpike.
However, those WB numbers now still are meant to be part of the grand scheme as NY never had an Exit 1 due to them considering one day the Garden State would actually assign numbers to its one interchange.
While there have been no media reports about I-95 exit renumbering, the RIDOT 4th Quarter Report indicates the I-95 Exit Renumbering Project is officially "Under Construction." Its official Notice to Proceed was moved back to Dec. 15 from Dec. 31, 2021 listed in the 3rd Quarter report, and the substantial completion date was moved back from April 2023 to December 2022. You would think RIDOT would want this completed before the summer months, as with the other exit renumbering projects, so if nothing is reported in the next month or so, it probably won't happen until next fall.
The 4th Q Report, I-95 project listed on p. 66 of Appendix A:
https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_Oct-Dec_2021_Insert_A.pdf (https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_Oct-Dec_2021_Insert_A.pdf)
Quote from: bob7374 on February 07, 2022, 04:37:28 PM
While there have been no media reports about I-95 exit renumbering, the RIDOT 4th Quarter Report indicates the I-95 Exit Renumbering Project is officially "Under Construction." Its official Notice to Proceed was moved back to Dec. 15 from Dec. 31, 2021 listed in the 3rd Quarter report, and the substantial completion date was moved back from April 2023 to December 2022. You would think RIDOT would want this completed before the summer months, as with the other exit renumbering projects, so if nothing is reported in the next month or so, it probably won't happen until next fall.
The 4th Q Report, I-95 project listed on p. 66 of Appendix A:
https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_Oct-Dec_2021_Insert_A.pdf (https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_Oct-Dec_2021_Insert_A.pdf)
My question is: are they just overlaying existing signage with new exit numbers or are they doing a full sign replacement (including support structures) along the entire length of I-95? The latter may explain why they're planning to take until December to complete the project.
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 07, 2022, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 07, 2022, 04:37:28 PM
While there have been no media reports about I-95 exit renumbering, the RIDOT 4th Quarter Report indicates the I-95 Exit Renumbering Project is officially "Under Construction." Its official Notice to Proceed was moved back to Dec. 15 from Dec. 31, 2021 listed in the 3rd Quarter report, and the substantial completion date was moved back from April 2023 to December 2022. You would think RIDOT would want this completed before the summer months, as with the other exit renumbering projects, so if nothing is reported in the next month or so, it probably won't happen until next fall.
The 4th Q Report, I-95 project listed on p. 66 of Appendix A:
https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_Oct-Dec_2021_Insert_A.pdf (https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_Oct-Dec_2021_Insert_A.pdf)
My question is: are they just overlaying existing signage with new exit numbers or are they doing a full sign replacement (including support structures) along the entire length of I-95? The latter may explain why they're planning to take until December to complete the project.
The winning bid was $925,503.75. That doesn't sound to me like sign replacement, just overlays. Most of the I-95 signage in the Providence area anyway is quite recent. To compare against a true sign and support replacement contract, the project cost of I-95 sign replacement for 11 exits between Attleboro and Norwood is $6,238,931.37.
I'm surprised that I-95 re-numbering (if it is happening and hasn't been covered as of now) hasn't been mentioned more prominently. Unlike the other highways that have been re-numbered (4, 24, 146, 195, and 295), 95 is more or less Rhode Island's Main Street with many exits, some complicated, and large amounts of traffic. It may be a tough sell to some folks even though it's already happened on other roads.
When I-95 in Rhode Island is converted, I wonder what the new exit numbers will be. I’d imagine that Providence would be just alphabet soup, but also, what will become of the old center tabbed gantry on the MA/RI border? Also, the I-195 Wikipedia page shows that the 95/195 exit will become 36. Is Wikipedia just jumping the gun here?
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on February 08, 2022, 09:52:10 AM
When I-95 in Rhode Island is converted, I wonder what the new exit numbers will be. I'd imagine that Providence would be just alphabet soup, but also, what will become of the old center tabbed gantry on the MA/RI border? Also, the I-195 Wikipedia page shows that the 95/195 exit will become 36. Is Wikipedia just jumping the gun here?
RIDOT's exit list has the I-195 exit NB at Mile 36, however SB it is at Mile 37, so it could be 36 or 37. (Their I-195 list is still sequential, 2 years after conversion, probably same person responsible for updating it as their Exit Renumbering project page that still says I-95 conversion will start in late 2020).
Regardless of how long it takes to convert 95's exits to mileage-based, or how much money it costs, or how many arms have to be twisted, JUST GET IT DONE! RIDOT has procrastinated long enough.
Quote from: bob7374 on February 07, 2022, 11:08:01 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 07, 2022, 10:43:15 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on February 07, 2022, 04:37:28 PM
While there have been no media reports about I-95 exit renumbering, the RIDOT 4th Quarter Report indicates the I-95 Exit Renumbering Project is officially "Under Construction." Its official Notice to Proceed was moved back to Dec. 15 from Dec. 31, 2021 listed in the 3rd Quarter report, and the substantial completion date was moved back from April 2023 to December 2022. You would think RIDOT would want this completed before the summer months, as with the other exit renumbering projects, so if nothing is reported in the next month or so, it probably won't happen until next fall.
The 4th Q Report, I-95 project listed on p. 66 of Appendix A:
https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_Oct-Dec_2021_Insert_A.pdf (https://www.dot.ri.gov/accountability/docs/2021/QR_Oct-Dec_2021_Insert_A.pdf)
My question is: are they just overlaying existing signage with new exit numbers or are they doing a full sign replacement (including support structures) along the entire length of I-95? The latter may explain why they're planning to take until December to complete the project.
The winning bid was $925,503.75. That doesn't sound to me like sign replacement, just overlays. Most of the I-95 signage in the Providence area anyway is quite recent. To compare against a true sign and support replacement contract, the project cost of I-95 sign replacement for 11 exits between Attleboro and Norwood is $6,238,931.37.
The I-95 exit renumbering is principally overlays. However, I understand that, due to their age and condition, there are a handful of support structures that will be replaced as well, with totally new panels installed on them.
I actually think RI has done a decent job with replacing its signs, including the exit numbers on the other highways. Why it took so long to do so on the most important highway in the state is a little confusing.
This looks promising...
What's Next?
RIDOT will finalize its renumbering program with I-95. That is tentatively scheduled for 2022.
I hope it finally happens, though I won't hold my breath. If it really happens, I will scream "HAZZAH!"
Wikipedia's "Interstate 95 in Rhode Island" page has been updated to show the new mileage-based exit numbers, and says the conversion will finally happen this year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_95. Is this accurate?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 27, 2022, 06:44:42 PM
Wikipedia's "Interstate 95 in Rhode Island" page has been updated to show the new mileage-based exit numbers, and says the conversion will finally happen this year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_95. Is this accurate?
I can't find anything on RIDOT's site about it. The last update was back when I-195 was renumbered. In their plan, the project should be done by next April. My guess is that it won't start until the fall.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on March 27, 2022, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 27, 2022, 06:44:42 PM
Wikipedia's "Interstate 95 in Rhode Island" page has been updated to show the new mileage-based exit numbers, and says the conversion will finally happen this year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_95. Is this accurate?
I can't find anything on RIDOT's site about it. The last update was back when I-195 was renumbered. In their plan, the project should be done by next April. My guess is that it won't start until the fall.
Hopefully the user who updated the Wikipedia page is someone in the know.
I suspect the 95 renumbering might be more involved than the other already-updated roads when it dies happen. 95 is RI's Main Street and the most crowded, especially in warmer weather; Rhode Islanders are resistant to change, even though this is a long time coming, and many exits are close together. Those "Old Exit" signs had better be spotless.
Someone who I know from Discord sent me a copy of some of the signage plans on I-95 for the new mileage-based exit numbers.
Here's what I know from looking at it personally:
Exits 9 and 8 on southbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 24B and 24A respectively.
Exits 11 and 12 on northbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 28A and 28B respectively.
Exits 12B-A on southbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 28C-A and 28B respectively. 28C will go to R.I. 113 West towards Warwick, and 28A will go to I-295 north to R.I. 2 north. Exit 28B will go to R.I. 113 east to R.I. 5.
Exits 19 and 20 will be renumbered to exits 36A-B respectively.
Exit 21 will be renumbered to exit 37A.
Exit 22 will be renumbered to exits 37B-C-D.
Exit 23 on northbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 38A-B.
Exit 25 on northbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 39B-C. Southbound I-95's exit 25 will be renumbered to exit 39B.
Exits 27 and 28 on northbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 41A-B.
As far as signage goes, all of the gore signs and almost all of the exit tabs will be replaced, the overhead signs that don't have an exit number will also be replaced, and they will be replacing all of the overhead signs from exit 23 (future exits 37B-C-D) up to exit 28 (future exit 41). Oh, and the sign with the "NO EXIT 17" on northbound I-95 will be removed.
Quote from: Great Lakes Roads on March 27, 2022, 08:11:43 PM
Someone who I know from Discord sent me a copy of some of the signage plans on I-95 for the new mileage-based exit numbers.
Here's what I know from looking at it personally:
Exits 9 and 8 on southbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 24B and 24A respectively.
Exits 11 and 12 on northbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 28A and 28B respectively.
Exits 12B-A on southbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 28C-A and 28B respectively. 28C will go to R.I. 113 West towards Warwick, and 28A will go to I-295 north to R.I. 2 north. Exit 28B will go to R.I. 113 east to R.I. 5.
Exits 19 and 20 will be renumbered to exits 36A-B respectively.
Exit 21 will be renumbered to exit 37A.
Exit 22 will be renumbered to exits 37B-C-D.
Exit 23 on northbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 38A-B.
Exit 25 on northbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 39B-C. Southbound I-95's exit 25 will be renumbered to exit 39B.
Exits 27 and 28 on northbound I-95 will be renumbered to exits 41A-B.
As far as signage goes, all of the gore signs and almost all of the exit tabs will be replaced, the overhead signs that don't have an exit number will also be replaced, and they will be replacing all of the overhead signs from exit 23 (future exits 37B-C-D) up to exit 28 (future exit 41). Oh, and the sign with the "NO EXIT 17" on northbound I-95 will be removed.
These seem to match up with the exit numbers listed on Wikipedia, do all the numbers you have from your plans do so?
FYI.
https://www.wpri.com/dont-miss/ri-to-renumber-i-95-exits-heres-what-your-new-number-will-be/
https://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/?ipid=promo-link-block1
The website has been updated to reflect the "new" exit numbers on Interstate 95. It's about time! :clap:
One little nuance that kind of drives me crazy. RIDOT got it right with the 36's Southbound by keeping it consistent and making 195 36A and Eddy St 36B to keep them consistent with the northbound numbers, even though A comes before B heading south. But why did they break that with 28 by making 295 28A northbound and 28B southbound; and making 113 East 28B northbound and 28A southbound? Just a lack of consistency.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 13, 2022, 02:38:30 AM
One little nuance that kind of drives me crazy. RIDOT got it right with the 36's Southbound by keeping it consistent and making 195 36A and Eddy St 36B to keep them consistent with the northbound numbers, even though A comes before B heading south. But why did they break that with 28 by making 295 28A northbound and 28B southbound; and making 113 East 28B northbound and 28A southbound? Just a lack of consistency.
if I had to guess, the 295/RI 113 W ramp comes before the RI 113E ramp on 95 south. As for consistency....I'm not sure.
It's nice to see RI finally get around to re-numbering I-95! But looking at the new exit number list, I noticed some oddities:
-RI 2 (current exit 8) should only be exit 24 going south, not 24A, especially when taking into account there will be an exit 24A and an exit 24B going north for the same route.
-RI 4 (southbound only exit) should be exit 25, not 24B, especially when taking into account that exit 24B going northbound is for RI 2.
-Going south, I-295 should be exit 28A, RI 113 East should be exit 28B, and RI 113 West should be exit 28C. I know the lettering is out of order, but it maintains consistency with the northbound numbering.
-Branch Ave should be exit 39, not 39A.
-RI 126 should be exits 40A-B northbound, not 39B-C. Especially when going south there's only 1 exit for this road. Southbound this should be exit 40.
-RI 122 (current exit 26) gets a whole numbered exit when it's northbound only. It should be exit 40C.
I guess RI likes alphabet soup when MA doesn't?
It somewhat surprised me that RIDOT decided to start the project during the summer travel months. Past contracts have started in the fall and winter when contractors are typically idle, therefore potentially reducing costs. The contract, awarded for $925.5 K back in October, allows for work not to be completed until the spring of 2023. Hopefully, this does not mean it will take 8 months to complete it. I assume, like with the past contracts, that they will start at the northern end and work south. Will they coordinate with MassDOT in placing new numbers on the new sign planned for the first 2 RI exits on I-95 South across the border?
Now if only New Hampshire, Vermont (the milepoint signs are a half-assed measure in my opinion) and Delaware would get with the program and convert to mileage-based as well (no more excuses). Somehow, I doubt the FHWA will penalize them for staying sequential, though they really should.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 13, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
Now if only New Hampshire, Vermont (the milepoint signs are a half-assed measure in my opinion) and Delaware would get with the program and convert to mileage-based as well (no more excuses). Somehow, I doubt the FHWA will penalize them for staying sequential, though they really should.
Don't forget New York (I know they're doing it slowly). And New Hampshire probably won't be switching any time soon as long as Governor Sununu continues to shut the idea down.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on July 13, 2022, 01:10:36 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 13, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
Now if only New Hampshire, Vermont (the milepoint signs are a half-assed measure in my opinion) and Delaware would get with the program and convert to mileage-based as well (no more excuses). Somehow, I doubt the FHWA will penalize them for staying sequential, though they really should.
Don't forget New York (I know they're doing it slowly). And New Hampshire probably won't be switching any time soon as long as Governor Sununu continues to shut the idea down.
And lest us forget CT and it's ass dragging 16 year process of waiting for the re-signing of an entire highway before changing the numbers. Kids born when I-395 was converted will be old enough to drive when the final highway is completed.
It's not surprising to me that the states that have held out the longest are in the Northeast.
How did the other former sequential states manage to pull off conversions to mileage-based exits? Were all of those conversions fought tooth-and-nail the way the last few straggler states have resisted converting?
IIRC, Maine didn't really put up a fight when they converted. Some businesses who were named after their exit had to be changed, but it was pretty much welcome, considering I-95 had about 4 different numbering series in its first 110 miles in the Pine Tree State (1-4, 2-9, 15-28, 14, 30-62).
So what's left... VT and NH are 100% interstate sequential (only VT 289 has mile based exits). NJ just has the turnpike as sequential. And there's a good 95% of New York to convert (only I-84, the Hutch, Taconic, and I-481 are mile based). I'm guessing by 2030, CT "may" be fully converted, but NY will probably have at least a couple roads still sequential.
Quote from: kramie13 on July 13, 2022, 07:56:24 AM
It's nice to see RI finally get around to re-numbering I-95! But looking at the new exit number list, I noticed some oddities:
-RI 2 (current exit 8) should only be exit 24 going south, not 24A, especially when taking into account there will be an exit 24A and an exit 24B going north for the same route.
-RI 4 (southbound only exit) should be exit 25, not 24B, especially when taking into account that exit 24B going northbound is for RI 2.
-Going south, I-295 should be exit 28A, RI 113 East should be exit 28B, and RI 113 West should be exit 28C. I know the lettering is out of order, but it maintains consistency with the northbound numbering.
-Branch Ave should be exit 39, not 39A.
-RI 126 should be exits 40A-B northbound, not 39B-C. Especially when going south there's only 1 exit for this road. Southbound this should be exit 40.
-RI 122 (current exit 26) gets a whole numbered exit when it's northbound only. It should be exit 40C.
I guess RI likes alphabet soup when MA doesn't?
There are so many exits on and off of 95, esp. north of Warwick, so alphabet soup may be the best way to go, perhaps to RIDOT. I agree that RI-4 (perhaps the most important interchange of 95 in RI) needs to be 25. Unless the future 95 N to 4 S is ever completed, in which case 24B makes sense.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/MissingMove/
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on July 13, 2022, 08:33:01 PM
Quote from: kramie13 on July 13, 2022, 07:56:24 AM
It's nice to see RI finally get around to re-numbering I-95! But looking at the new exit number list, I noticed some oddities:
-RI 2 (current exit 8) should only be exit 24 going south, not 24A, especially when taking into account there will be an exit 24A and an exit 24B going north for the same route.
-RI 4 (southbound only exit) should be exit 25, not 24B, especially when taking into account that exit 24B going northbound is for RI 2.
-Going south, I-295 should be exit 28A, RI 113 East should be exit 28B, and RI 113 West should be exit 28C. I know the lettering is out of order, but it maintains consistency with the northbound numbering.
-Branch Ave should be exit 39, not 39A.
-RI 126 should be exits 40A-B northbound, not 39B-C. Especially when going south there's only 1 exit for this road. Southbound this should be exit 40.
-RI 122 (current exit 26) gets a whole numbered exit when it's northbound only. It should be exit 40C.
I guess RI likes alphabet soup when MA doesn't?
There are so many exits on and off of 95, esp. north of Warwick, so alphabet soup may be the best way to go, perhaps to RIDOT. I agree that RI-4 (perhaps the most important interchange of 95 in RI) needs to be 25. Unless the future 95 N to 4 S is ever completed, in which case 24B makes sense.
http://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/MissingMove/
Still wouldn't make sense, because that exit would have to be 24C unless the RI 2 interchange is consolidated into a single ramp.
Another difference I noticed between RI and CT is that on split ramps, RI is giving a suffixed number to each movement (for example, the RI 10/RI 12 ramp). CTDOT has said that ramps with multiple movements will be assigned a single exit number (for example, the exit from CT 15 South to CT 8 and CT 108 would be a single number).
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 13, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
Now if only New Hampshire, Vermont (the milepoint signs are a half-assed measure in my opinion) and Delaware would get with the program and convert to mileage-based as well (no more excuses). Somehow, I doubt the FHWA will penalize them for staying sequential, though they really should.
Delaware is KM based... when not an Interstate
Quote from: shadyjay on July 13, 2022, 06:39:13 PM
So what's left... VT and NH are 100% interstate sequential (only VT 289 has mile based exits). NJ just has the turnpike as sequential. And there's a good 95% of New York to convert (only I-84, the Hutch, Taconic, and I-481 are mile based). I'm guessing by 2030, CT "may" be fully converted, but NY will probably have at least a couple roads still sequential.
I-890, I-781, and I-95 through (most of) the Bronx are all mile based, and the Belt/Cross Island Parkway is close enough. I-481 has not converted yet, but it will with I-81 and BL I-81 once the Syracuse project is done (and I-481 goes by the wayside itself). I'm hoping NYSDOT is done by 2040, but that may be a stretch, not even factoring in Region 11 (NYC) or NYSTA.
Quote from: Alps on July 13, 2022, 11:00:04 PM
Delaware is KM based... when not an Interstate
But is it really though? :awesomeface:
Quote from: Alps on July 13, 2022, 11:00:04 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 13, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
Now if only New Hampshire, Vermont (the milepoint signs are a half-assed measure in my opinion) and Delaware would get with the program and convert to mileage-based as well (no more excuses). Somehow, I doubt the FHWA will penalize them for staying sequential, though they really should.
Delaware is KM based... when not an Interstate
DE 141 is sequential.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 14, 2022, 02:30:59 AM
Quote from: Alps on July 13, 2022, 11:00:04 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 13, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
Now if only New Hampshire, Vermont (the milepoint signs are a half-assed measure in my opinion) and Delaware would get with the program and convert to mileage-based as well (no more excuses). Somehow, I doubt the FHWA will penalize them for staying sequential, though they really should.
Delaware is KM based... when not an Interstate
DE 141 is sequential.
And US 301 is mileage based :bigass:
Quote from: shadyjay on July 13, 2022, 06:39:13 PM
IIRC, Maine didn't really put up a fight when they converted. Some businesses who were named after their exit had to be changed, but it was pretty much welcome, considering I-95 had about 4 different numbering series in its first 110 miles in the Pine Tree State (1-4, 2-9, 15-28, 14, 30-62).
So what's left... VT and NH are 100% interstate sequential (only VT 289 has mile based exits). NJ just has the turnpike as sequential. And there's a good 95% of New York to convert (only I-84, the Hutch, Taconic, and I-481 are mile based). I'm guessing by 2030, CT "may" be fully converted, but NY will probably have at least a couple roads still sequential.
VT isn't 100% sequential since they have the bottom banner new exit numbers now.
Quote from: Rothman on July 14, 2022, 09:00:39 AM
Quote from: shadyjay on July 13, 2022, 06:39:13 PM
IIRC, Maine didn't really put up a fight when they converted. Some businesses who were named after their exit had to be changed, but it was pretty much welcome, considering I-95 had about 4 different numbering series in its first 110 miles in the Pine Tree State (1-4, 2-9, 15-28, 14, 30-62).
So what's left... VT and NH are 100% interstate sequential (only VT 289 has mile based exits). NJ just has the turnpike as sequential. And there's a good 95% of New York to convert (only I-84, the Hutch, Taconic, and I-481 are mile based). I'm guessing by 2030, CT "may" be fully converted, but NY will probably have at least a couple roads still sequential.
VT isn't 100% sequential since they have the bottom banner new exit numbers now.
I don't think that really counts. Vermont needs to do a proper conversion. The milepoint exit numbers are barely even signed and the mile based numbers on VT 289 were removed.
I would say VT's "milepoint exit XX" panels don't count. They're barely posted and one cannot navigate by them. I feel like the "next exit X miles" panels on the Thruway are more prominent (probably because those are at least consistent with which sign in the sequence they're on).
For DE:
-I-95 and I-495 are sequential
-DE 141 is close enough
-US 301 is mile-based
-DE 1 is a huge mess of km-based numbers on the older exits (despite all distance signs and mile markers being in miles) and mile-based subtracted from the last km-based number on the newer exits. In short, it's a hybrid mess where the numbers match nothing. :ded:
For DC:
-I-295 is close enough
-I-395 is sequential (we'll see what happens when the changes from I-395/I-695 to I-395/I-195 happen)
-I-695 and DC 295 (what few numbers exist) are mile-based.
For NY, I-890/NY 890, the NYSDOT part of I-95, I-781, I-99, I-84, the Taconic, and the Hutch are mile-based, and I-81, BL 81, NY 481, and I-690 (not sure if NY 690 is getting numbers) are planned to convert within the decade. I am aware of no other plans for conversion at this time.
NH, meanwhile, wants to convert, but needs to replace their governor before said conversion can happen.
VT isn't 100% sequential. It's more like 85% with those banners. :D
The Providence Journal has a story on the conversion of Interstate 95 to mileage-based exits: https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/local/2022/07/14/rhode-island-renumber-route-95-exits-starting-july-31-2022-comply-federal-highway-standards/10046610002/.
As for New Hampshire getting a new governor, I suspect Governor Sununu will recieve a fourth term in office, and will be around for a while. Is there any way New Hampsire could undergo a sequential-to-mileage-based conversion without the governor's approval, perhaps by going through the legistlature first?
Quote from: cockroachking on July 14, 2022, 01:00:45 AM
Quote from: shadyjay on July 13, 2022, 06:39:13 PM
So what's left... VT and NH are 100% interstate sequential (only VT 289 has mile based exits). NJ just has the turnpike as sequential. And there's a good 95% of New York to convert (only I-84, the Hutch, Taconic, and I-481 are mile based). I'm guessing by 2030, CT "may" be fully converted, but NY will probably have at least a couple roads still sequential.
I-890, I-781, and I-95 through (most of) the Bronx are all mile based, and the Belt/Cross Island Parkway is close enough. I-481 has not converted yet, but it will with I-81 and BL I-81 once the Syracuse project is done (and I-481 goes by the wayside itself). I'm hoping NYSDOT is done by 2040, but that may be a stretch, not even factoring in Region 11 (NYC) or NYSTA.
Did I say I-481? I meant the one up by Fort Drum near Watertown. That's I-781. Yeah... that's the ticket!
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 14, 2022, 01:25:51 PM
As for New Hampshire getting a new governor, I suspect Governor Sununu will recieve a fourth term in office, and will be around for a while. Is there any way New Hampsire could undergo a sequential-to-mileage-based conversion without the governor's approval, perhaps by going through the legistlature first?
Legislative bills in NH work just like they do in all other states: They require either the governor's signature or passage with veto-proof majorities. Considering that NH has the second-largest legislative body in the US (their House of Representatives has 400 members), it's most likely a non-starter without Gov. Sununu's OK.
The variable message signs on 95 and 295 are notifying drivers about the coming changes.
Quote from: SidS1045 on July 15, 2022, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 14, 2022, 01:25:51 PM
As for New Hampshire getting a new governor, I suspect Governor Sununu will recieve a fourth term in office, and will be around for a while. Is there any way New Hampsire could undergo a sequential-to-mileage-based conversion without the governor's approval, perhaps by going through the legistlature first?
Legislative bills in NH work just like they do in all other states: They require either the governor's signature or passage with veto-proof majorities. Considering that NH has the second-largest legislative body in the US (their House of Representatives has 400 members), it's most likely a non-starter without Gov. Sununu's OK.
The basic problem with New Hampshire is that, even if the legislature were to approve or mandate the conversion, the funding for the contracts to do the actual work must still be approved by the Governor's Executive Finance Council - or whatever they call it. Such approval or denial, which is literally done on a project by project basis, is not subject to legislative action, and denial of funding cannot be overturned by the Legislature. And, realistically, I'd seriously doubt you'd find a majority of legislators who would be willing to spar with the Governor over such a mundane matter as exit renumbering, let alone try to make it an election issue.
Quote from: roadman on July 19, 2022, 08:45:49 PM
Quote from: SidS1045 on July 15, 2022, 10:47:38 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 14, 2022, 01:25:51 PM
As for New Hampshire getting a new governor, I suspect Governor Sununu will recieve a fourth term in office, and will be around for a while. Is there any way New Hampsire could undergo a sequential-to-mileage-based conversion without the governor's approval, perhaps by going through the legistlature first?
Legislative bills in NH work just like they do in all other states: They require either the governor's signature or passage with veto-proof majorities. Considering that NH has the second-largest legislative body in the US (their House of Representatives has 400 members), it's most likely a non-starter without Gov. Sununu's OK.
The basic problem with New Hampshire is that, even if the legislature were to approve or mandate the conversion, the funding for the contracts to do the actual work must still be approved by the Governor's Executive Finance Council - or whatever they call it. Such approval or denial, which is literally done on a project by project basis, is not subject to legislative action, and denial of funding cannot be overturned by the Legislature. And, realistically, I'd seriously doubt you'd find a majority of legislators who would be willing to spar with the Governor over such a mundane matter as exit renumbering, let alone try to make it an election issue.
The "Live Free or Die" ethos works in so many ways in NH.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on July 14, 2022, 11:04:38 AM
Quote from: Rothman on July 14, 2022, 09:00:39 AM
Quote from: shadyjay on July 13, 2022, 06:39:13 PM
IIRC, Maine didn't really put up a fight when they converted. Some businesses who were named after their exit had to be changed, but it was pretty much welcome, considering I-95 had about 4 different numbering series in its first 110 miles in the Pine Tree State (1-4, 2-9, 15-28, 14, 30-62).
So what's left... VT and NH are 100% interstate sequential (only VT 289 has mile based exits). NJ just has the turnpike as sequential. And there's a good 95% of New York to convert (only I-84, the Hutch, Taconic, and I-481 are mile based). I'm guessing by 2030, CT "may" be fully converted, but NY will probably have at least a couple roads still sequential.
VT isn't 100% sequential since they have the bottom banner new exit numbers now.
I don't think that really counts. Vermont needs to do a proper conversion. The milepoint exit numbers are barely even signed and the mile based numbers on VT 289 were removed.
The last time I drove thru there in June 2022, VT 289 still had exit numbers at all of its interchanges.
RIDOT has delayed the start of exit renumbering along I-95 by a week:
https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/ (https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/)
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
RIDOT has delayed the start of exit renumbering along I-95 by a week:
https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/ (https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/)
I took a look as to why it's not happening on Sunday and it's because RIDOT doesn't yet have all the materials necessary for the project to begin. Perhaps they will coordinate with MassDOT about changing the first exit signs in Massachusetts.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on July 29, 2022, 02:46:29 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
RIDOT has delayed the start of exit renumbering along I-95 by a week:
https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/ (https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/)
I took a look as to why it's not happening on Sunday and it's because RIDOT doesn't yet have all the materials necessary for the project to begin. Perhaps they will coordinate with MassDOT about changing the first exit signs in Massachusetts.
I wonder if it's a supply chain issue.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on July 30, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on July 29, 2022, 02:46:29 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
RIDOT has delayed the start of exit renumbering along I-95 by a week:
https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/ (https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/)
I took a look as to why it's not happening on Sunday and it's because RIDOT doesn't yet have all the materials necessary for the project to begin. Perhaps they will coordinate with MassDOT about changing the first exit signs in Massachusetts.
I wonder if it's a supply chain issue.
Work still has not started, no announcement as of yet as to a new starting date from RIDOT. Nothing is listed regarding exit renumbering among the traffic advisories for next week. If they are having supply chain issues, you would have thought they would have held off announcing the project until the contractor could proceed.
Quote from: bob7374 on August 12, 2022, 09:29:40 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on July 30, 2022, 06:35:16 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on July 29, 2022, 02:46:29 PM
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
RIDOT has delayed the start of exit renumbering along I-95 by a week:
https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/ (https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/)
I took a look as to why it's not happening on Sunday and it's because RIDOT doesn't yet have all the materials necessary for the project to begin. Perhaps they will coordinate with MassDOT about changing the first exit signs in Massachusetts.
I wonder if it's a supply chain issue.
Work still has not started, no announcement as of yet as to a new starting date from RIDOT. Nothing is listed regarding exit renumbering among the traffic advisories for next week. If they are having supply chain issues, you would have thought they would have held off announcing the project until the contractor could proceed.
It may have been a matter of the contractor's suppliers saying they would have the needed materials delivered by a certain date, and due to factors beyond their control, they can no longer meet that date. And so the project schedule slips to the right. RIDOT will probably not announce a new date for the changeover until the contractor has received all of the needed materials from its suppliers and is ready to start updating signage.
Nothing new to report as of August 17. I suspect you won't hear anything about the exit renumbering of I-95 until at least after Labor Day.
For some strange reason, I think some within RIDOT are quietly relieved that this won't be happening until after Labor Day.
Is it possible that RIDOT is waiting until September due to summer traffic and don't want to confuse people with the new numbers? The other renumbering contracts were all done in late Fall/early Winter.
Quote from: bob7374 on July 29, 2022, 01:22:51 PM
RIDOT has delayed the start of exit renumbering along I-95 by a week:
https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/ (https://www.abc6.com/rhode-island-pushes-back-renumbering-of-interstate-95-exits/)
A report on the WJAR website on August 18 discussed new exit numbers appearing on Apple and Google Maps last week when the actual exit numbers had not been changed yet. A RIDOT spokesman again blamed supply chain issues and indicated renumbering should start by August 28, next Sunday night. Apple supposedly has reposted the old exit numbers.
According to RIDOT's latest traffic advisory list for the upcoming week, exit renumbering on I-95 will start on Sunday night 8/28 at 8PM. (of course, we've heard this before).
Quote from: bob7374 on August 26, 2022, 11:23:14 PM
According to RIDOT's latest traffic advisory list for the upcoming week, exit renumbering on I-95 will start on Sunday night 8/28 at 8PM. (of course, we've heard this before).
I think we're at the "we'll believe it when we see it" phase.
RIDOT did indeed start exit renumbering along I-95 last night. The first 3 exits (Old 30, 29 and 27) were renumbered southbound. It appears the contractor (Liddell Bros.) will be operating like they did in MA, renumbering all the exits in one direction before turning around. The earlier RIDOT contracts were done one exit at a time in both directions. The RI exit signs in MA were renumbered as well. Photos taken of the renumbered signs (now and in the future) are on my NE Exit Renumbering Central site at: https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riphotos.html (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riphotos.html)
WPRI has reported that exit renumbering has begun on their website:
https://www.wpri.com/news/transportation/ridot-begins-renumbering-i-95-exits/
The new exit numbers have started to appear on Google Maps. Exits 43, 42, and 41 in both directions have the new numbers. Crews should be renumbering down to as far as Thurbers Ave (Old Exit 18) tonight.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on August 31, 2022, 10:17:40 PM
The new exit numbers have started to appear on Google Maps. Exits 43, 42, and 41 in both directions have the new numbers. Crews should be renumbering down to as far as Thurbers Ave (Old Exit 18) tonight.
Waze show only work crews on I-95 North in Pawtucket tonight. Here's a traffic camera shot from this morning showing the change made at former Exit 28 NB last night. The new exit number for RI 114, School Street is 41B:
(https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riexitstcI-95%20S%20@%20Garden%20St83122.jpg)
Glad to see it finally happening.
I drove along I-95 from Massachusetts into downtown Providence and back today. Going south, old exits 30, 29, 27, and 25 have been renumbered. As a result of this, the exit numbers as of today jump from 39B to 24 (Branch Ave) without a 39A. Going north, old exits 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30 have been renumbered. The exit numbering jumps from 25 to 40.
As a result of this, the RI-126 exit is now 39B southbound but still 25A-B northbound.
The RI exits in MA just before the state line have "tacked-on" numbers, but the exits in RI have new exit tabs. The gore signs, however, have tacked on numbers like what was done in Massachusetts. So you have exit 39B, exit 41A, and exit 41B all squeezed into a 2-digit gore sign.
Lastly, I noticed a lot of new signs to be installed within the interchange with MA 1A. Seriously, a storage area for RI signs in Massachusetts? How weird is that?
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 01, 2022, 08:43:09 AM
Glad to see it finally happening.
In CT, that would have taken 5 years :banghead:
It has taken 5 years for Rhode Island to complete converting all the highways in the state to mileage-based exit numbers. Massachusetts was able to complete its conversion faster.
Re Connecticut, I can see why it might be challenging, especially with all of the exits on 84 and 95. But they do seem to be dragging it out.
Connecticut is basically waiting for when each route has had all its signs replaced as part of the current sign replacement cycle. MA was going to do that, but then FHWA let them use HSIP funds to overlay every exit number in the state (well, not quite every number).
I drove down 95 today from RI-37 to RI-4, where the numbers haven't changed yet but will soon.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 02, 2022, 06:06:40 PM
I drove down 95 today from RI-37 to RI-4, where the numbers haven't changed yet but will soon.
I was through Providence yesterday and the new numbers start/end right at the city line with Pawtucket. Everything south of there is still sequential.
Quote from: RyanB06 on September 05, 2022, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 02, 2022, 06:06:40 PM
I drove down 95 today from RI-37 to RI-4, where the numbers haven't changed yet but will soon.
I was through Providence yesterday and the new numbers start/end right at the city line with Pawtucket. Everything south of there is still sequential.
According to the RIDOT Traffic Advisories list for Sept. 3 to 9, exit renumbering will start again on Tuesday night (9/6). The new advisories still have a listing for a lane shift on I-95 at Exit 30 in Pawtucket.
Exit renumbering has made it to the US 6/RI 10 interchange as of today when I went through in both directions. Still sequential from Atwells Ave on down.
With Labor Day (and its epic torrential downpours) in the past, no unusual weather predicted, and summer crowds slowly dissipating, it should be easier to get it done (although I know it's done at night).
It appears exit renumbering has made it as far south as the I-195 exit, based on this traffic camera image along I-95 North which shows a sign for the new exit number for the I-195/US 6 East exit, Exit 36A:
(https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95ritc-19%20I-95%20N%20@%20PublicSt91622.jpg)
I am hoping to make it down to Providence over the weekend to document the progress in exit renumbering myself.
I can confirm... was through there this morning.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52364985438_f1a6ea39e7_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nMjeNw)DSC02456 (https://flic.kr/p/2nMjeNw) by Jay Hogan (https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/), on Flickr
The sign for Exit 18 in the distance from this sign still says Exit 18... the former Exit 19 is the first renumbered exit at this time, heading north. It just happens that some of the Exit 19 signs come before Exit 18, hence you see Exit 36A, then Exit 18, then Exit 36A.
Got the signs from here up to the MA state line, plus new I-95 signs northbound up to I-495. Link in the sig below.
Thought I'd comment as a very casual roadgeek whose local exit is one of the new 37s. For several days, the leading edge of the renumbering going northbound was old 25A/B (new 39B/C). So there was a 39B and 39C northbound, but no 39A (as it was still 24). Going southbound, though, the leading edge was 37B/C/D (old 22A/B/C), so not only was there a 37B, C, and D, without 37A, but the exits were numbered differently depending on which direction you were going! (Yesterday had a similar situation in the opposite direction, as the renumbering moved southward on the northbound side, but stayed put on the southbound side, so exits 19, 20, and 21 going southbound were exits 37A, 36B, and 36A, respectively).
Also, for what it's worth, I noticed that they were (and maybe still are) staging the signs (https://flickr.com/photos/nsub1/52365563750/in/dateposted/) before installation up in Massachusetts at the rest stop near NB MM 10.
Google Maps is starting to reflect the changes as well.
Quote from: nsub1 on September 17, 2022, 09:08:21 PM
Thought I'd comment as a very casual roadgeek whose local exit is one of the new 37s. For several days, the leading edge of the renumbering going northbound was old 25A/B (new 39B/C). So there was a 39B and 39C northbound, but no 39A (as it was still 24). Going southbound, though, the leading edge was 37B/C/D (old 22A/B/C), so not only was there a 37B, C, and D, without 37A, but the exits were numbered differently depending on which direction you were going! (Yesterday had a similar situation in the opposite direction, as the renumbering moved southward on the northbound side, but stayed put on the southbound side, so exits 19, 20, and 21 going southbound were exits 37A, 36B, and 36A, respectively).
Also, for what it's worth, I noticed that they were (and maybe still are) staging the signs (https://flickr.com/photos/nsub1/52365563750/in/dateposted/) before installation up in Massachusetts at the rest stop near NB MM 10.
They are; i drove by there today and the signs are indeed sitting there.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on September 18, 2022, 04:56:13 PM
Quote from: nsub1 on September 17, 2022, 09:08:21 PM
Thought I'd comment as a very casual roadgeek whose local exit is one of the new 37s. For several days, the leading edge of the renumbering going northbound was old 25A/B (new 39B/C). So there was a 39B and 39C northbound, but no 39A (as it was still 24). Going southbound, though, the leading edge was 37B/C/D (old 22A/B/C), so not only was there a 37B, C, and D, without 37A, but the exits were numbered differently depending on which direction you were going! (Yesterday had a similar situation in the opposite direction, as the renumbering moved southward on the northbound side, but stayed put on the southbound side, so exits 19, 20, and 21 going southbound were exits 37A, 36B, and 36A, respectively).
Also, for what it's worth, I noticed that they were (and maybe still are) staging the signs (https://flickr.com/photos/nsub1/52365563750/in/dateposted/) before installation up in Massachusetts at the rest stop near NB MM 10.
They are; i drove by there today and the signs are indeed sitting there.
At least that rest area is finally serving a purpose... if only for contractor staging.
It is sad what that facility has become. I remember it being a vibrant place, stopping there on the way to Great Woods (err... Tweeter Center... errr... Comcast xfinity whatever it is this week). Would it be that much to rehab/staff the building, pick up the trash, and spruce up the grounds? RI closed theirs on I-95 North for a few years, but realized the error of their ways and reopened it.
I've posted the latest round of signs renumbered along I-95, such as those in downtown Providence through Old Exit 19:
(https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riexits922p.jpg)
to my I-95 in RI photo gallery: https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riphotos.html (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riphotos.html)
Exit renumbering has proceeded to at least old Exit 17 since the photos were taken.
The new exit numbering has made it to the RI-10 interchange (New Exit 33/Old Exit 16).
Here's the renumbered 1/2 mile advance sign for the RI 10 exit:
(https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riexitsjb922h.jpg)
Work should get to at least the I-295 exit by the end of this week.
I'm incredibly perplexed by the exit tabs for Exit 42A-B on I-95 NB (Former 29) being ground-mounted and not affixed to the gantry signs above. Anything ground-mounted in RI is a goner (vehicle strikes are plentiful) and we'll have horribly designed RIDOT one-offs in their place soon enough!
Quote from: southshore720 on September 26, 2022, 10:20:52 PM
I'm incredibly perplexed by the exit tabs for Exit 42A-B on I-95 NB (Former 29) being ground-mounted and not affixed to the gantry signs above. Anything ground-mounted in RI is a goner (vehicle strikes are plentiful) and we'll have horribly designed RIDOT one-offs in their place soon enough!
I think the exit overlay for the gore sign was half assed, not sure why they felt the need to overlay the old sign with a new sign instead of green out.
Rhode Island is at least installing brand new exit tabs. Massachusetts was very "tacky", just overlaying numbers.
As a result, we have some knocked-down then re-posted damaged gore signs displaying the old number, as seen here (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2632237,-71.5719706,3a,24.8y,65.44h,95.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sauRk4doJ1NDPdEURROWWrA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DauRk4doJ1NDPdEURROWWrA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D118.67567%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).
Quote from: kramie13 on September 27, 2022, 11:35:20 AM
Rhode Island is at least installing brand new exit tabs. Massachusetts was very "tacky", just overlaying numbers.
As a result, we have some knocked-down then re-posted damaged gore signs displaying the old number, as seen here (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2632237,-71.5719706,3a,24.8y,65.44h,95.03t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sauRk4doJ1NDPdEURROWWrA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DauRk4doJ1NDPdEURROWWrA%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D118.67567%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).
Mass had a number of signs with the older design "integral" tabs still out there which could only be covered up vs. replaced. It made sense to do them all the same way. The gore sign knockdowns, on the other hand, really warrant something better than a sign with the old number being put back up...a generic "EXIT" with arrow and no number would be better than posting the old number!
The RIDOT project page has been updated with a statement saying exit numbering is complete from Exits 13 to 30. Work was proceeding with Old Exit 12B on Monday night.
Having driven that stretch today, the renumbering has been completed at least as far as I-295 south/RI-113 interchanges in Warwick (new exit 28/old exit 11).
Google Maps has updated all exit numbers regardless of whether or not RIDOT has got to them.
The RIDOT Exit Renumbering Project website has been updated to indicated Old Exits 6-30 have now been renumbered. I plan to wait until the project is completed, perhaps next week, to check out the final renumbered signs.
It appears all exits along I-95 have been renumbered according to the RIDOT Exit Renumbering website thus officially completing the project since Exit 1 will not change.
https://www.dot.ri.gov/projects/exitnumbers/index.php
Yes, exits are renumbered all the way down to (former Exit 2), thus completing the project.
New SB mileage pics begin partway down my I-95 page here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/albums/72157683130427995/page3
Strange that former Exit 12A southbound to RI 133 EB is now Exit 28B, because they gave separate suffixes to the ramp split for former Exit 12B, identifying it as 28A to I-295 NB and 28C to RI 113 WB. (Note this does not match the RIDOT website listing.)
I'm guessing this is to have consistent exit numbers for I-295 NB in both directions. Similar was done for I-195, which used to be #19 NB and #20 SB, but is now 36A in both directions.
Some of the auxiliary signs are still missing the new exit numbers, or are about to be replaced by the new mileage-based number, e.g. the Kent County Courthouse sign on I-95N before New Exit 24/Old Exit 8.
I had a chance to drive I-95 from Providence to the CT border and back on Friday and document the remaining renumbered exit signs. I have started adding photos taken from the trip to my exit renumbering site, such as this for RI 138 on I-95 North, with a slightly too large old exit sign:
(https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riexits1122kk.jpg)
The entire set of photos (SB set complete) will be posted here:
https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riphotos.html#new (https://malmeroads.net/mass21c/i95riphotos.html#new)
The 2023 Rand Mcnally Atlas does not mark this change. Strangely they do show millage based exit numbers for Vermont and they haven't fully converted.
Well I bet the 2024 atlas will have the new numbers when it comes out, usually April or May. Yeah, they jumped the gun with VT's numbers, and CT kept on flip flopping on the Rt 9 numbers, let's see if those get corrected as well.
Quote from: shadyjay on March 19, 2023, 10:40:56 AM
Well I bet the 2024 atlas will have the new numbers when it comes out, usually April or May. Yeah, they jumped the gun with VT's numbers, and CT kept on flip flopping on the Rt 9 numbers, let's see if those get corrected as well.
The 2024, 100th Anniversary, atlas is to be released on May 8.