Themed Cities in an area

[kphoger]

Interstate 180 in Wyoming is an Interstate, but it is not a freeway. No ambiguity there.

Exactly.  And Wales is a country but not a sovereign nation.

From one perspective, of course. However, the most common definition of the word country is sovereign nation, and from that perspective Wales isn't one regardless of what it calls itself. These sorts of arguments tend to result from a claim that one definition takes precedence over another without any explanation as to why.

So back to my question:  what do you call England?

[CtrlAltDel]

Interstate 180 in Wyoming is an Interstate, but it is not a freeway. No ambiguity there.

Exactly.  And Wales is a country but not a sovereign nation.

From one perspective, of course. However, the most common definition of the word country is sovereign nation, and from that perspective Wales isn't one regardless of what it calls itself. These sorts of arguments tend to result from a claim that one definition takes precedence over another without any explanation as to why.

So back to my question:  what do you call England?

That was a question you were asking someone else, so I will bow out here.

[Max Rockatansky]

Were larger British imperial possessions in the past like India claiming they were a sovereign nation?

[kphoger]

Were larger British imperial possessions in the past like India claiming they were a sovereign nation?

The British Raj had both areas ruled directly by the Crown and areas ruled as suzerainties (the latter of which numbered in the hundreds).  Notably, when the United Nations was founded in 1945, India was one of the original members–even while it was still part of the Empire.

[CtrlAltDel]

Interstate 180 in Wyoming is an Interstate, but it is not a freeway. No ambiguity there.

I kind of missed this before, but my basic point is the same. The argument has erupted no this forum any number of times, and it always revolves around the relative precedence of labels versus traits.

[skluth]

Interstate 180 in Wyoming is an Interstate, but it is not a freeway. No ambiguity there.

Exactly.  And Wales is a country but not a sovereign nation.

From one perspective, of course. However, the most common definition of the word country is sovereign nation, and from that perspective Wales isn't one regardless of what it calls itself. These sorts of arguments tend to result from a claim that one definition takes precedence over another without any explanation as to why.

So back to my question:  what do you call England?

Nothing nice if you're Irish

[kphoger]

So back to my question:  what do you call England?

Nothing nice if you're Irish

[skluth]

I live in Palm Springs. Nearby are Thousand Palms, Twentynine Palms, Biskra Palms, and Palm Desert. We also have lots of other desert vegetation in names like Joshua Tree, Yucca Valley, and Pinyon Pines. The Desert theme is also popular with the aforementioned Palm Desert, Desert Hot Springs, Desert Edge, Desert Camp, Desert Shores, and a whole lot of desert-related names like Oasis, Mecca, Thermal, Sandy Korner, Cactus City, and Bermuda Dunes.

[Rothman]

then...

U.K. and the U.S. are countries.

Their component parts are not.

So what do you call England, then?

England is part of the U.K., just like Scotland and Wales.

I asked what you call it.  I assume you call New Hampshire and Utah "states", Alberta and Ontario "provinces", Brittany and Corsica "regions", etc.  What do you call England?

It's a state.

[kphoger]

As long as you're consistent, I guess...

– You've got a strong accent.  What country are you from?
– England.
– That's not a country.

[kkt]

then...

U.K. and the U.S. are countries.

Their component parts are not.

I don't agree.  Wales and Scotland had their own cultures and languages before they were conquered by the English.
U.S. states were generally settled by people from the same country, with a possible exception for Hawaii.

[Rothman]

then...

U.K. and the U.S. are countries.

Their component parts are not.

I don't agree.  Wales and Scotland had their own cultures and languages before they were conquered by the English.
U.S. states were generally settled by people from the same country, with a possible exception for Hawaii.

I don't see how the Welsh and Scottish having their own cultures and languages prior to being conquered means that Scotland and Wales are countries.

[golden eagle]

Apparently, CA has lots of places (not just towns, either) named after saints:

Santa Ana
Santa Anita
San Andreas
Santa Barbara
San Bernardino
San Carlos
Santa Clara
Santa Clarita
San Clemente
Santa Cruz
San Diego
San Fernando
San Francisco
San Gabriel
San Jose
San Juan Capistrano
San Leandro
San Luis Obispo
San Mateo
Santa Monica
San Pablo
San Rafael
San Ramon
Santa Rosa
San Ysidro

...and that's just to name a few.

Every place in California has a San/Santa, El/La, Las/Los or a Rancho. Or it seems like it.

[Scott5114]

Santa Anita isn't an actual saint. Some guy just snuck his wife's name in there with a "Santa" in front of it and nobody noticed.

Most of the rest were named by Spanish explorers who got lazy with the place names and would just name anything they discovered after whatever saint's day it happened to be that day.

[index]

I have always found the naming of the towns along the former Norfolk & Petersburg RR (and modern-day US 460 between Petersburg and Suffolk) interesting. Ivor, Waverly, etc.

Supposedly the wife of the railroad's developer took inspiration from old Scottish novels for many of the stops, which the towns took their names from, with the exception of the town named Disputanta, named when they could not agree on what to use. There are other place names, like Zuni, that are not related to this theme, but seem to fit in with the other interesting names nonetheless.

That, and the section of US 460 there is a very long, razor-straight stretch of undivided four-lane highway, which is quite rare. Overall an interesting and unique corridor.

[Rothman]

I have always found the naming of the towns along the former Norfolk & Petersburg RR (and modern-day US 460 between Petersburg and Suffolk) interesting. Ivor, Waverly, etc.

Supposedly the wife of the railroad's developer took inspiration from old Scottish novels for many of the stops, which the towns took their names from, with the exception of the town named Disputanta, named when they could not agree on what to use. There are other place names, like Zuni, that are not related to this theme, but seem to fit in with the other interesting names nonetheless.

That, and the section of US 460 there is a very long, razor-straight stretch of undivided four-lane highway, which is quite rare. Overall an interesting and unique corridor.

Waverly, VA: From rail pit stop to speed trap town...