Amazon HQ2

[Beltway]

I think you meant Western Queens.

Corrected ...

[jakeroot]

I saw something yesterday joking that the Nationals will move to a new ballpark there and rebrand themselves as the National Landing Nationals and that they'd then become the airport's corporate sponsor, which led me to joke that the airport would become "Ronald Reagan National Landing Nationals Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport."  

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[Bruce]

It's quite possible Long Island is logistically the worst possible place they could have put an HQ.  Getting through NYC is damn near impossible from a freight standpoint.  Way to dump an unneeded load on an already expensive and stretched-thin transportation system.  Not to mention the people of NYC are more likely to revile at an installation of a new Amazon HQ than the people of most anywhere else in America, if I'm reading the situation correctly.

HQ2 is not a giant warehouse, as I've explained earlier. It's a corporate headquarters with tech workers being moved around, not packages. A centralized location with good transit and nearby walkable neighborhoods was key to all of this, after all.

[kphoger]

What is a "landing" anyhow?  A waterfront area with dockage can utilize this term and it has been done in the past. 

Branson Landing is a waterfront area of Branson (MO) without dockage.  It's that part of Branson where they ripped up part of the historic downtown and replaced it with parking garages and malls.

[Beltway]

What is a "landing" anyhow?  A waterfront area with dockage can utilize this term and it has been done in the past. 

Branson Landing is a waterfront area of Branson (MO) without dockage.  It's that part of Branson where they ripped up part of the historic downtown and replaced it with parking garages and malls.

Then maybe the correlation is being at or near a waterfront.

Richmond VA has a development called Rocketts Landing that is being built along the James River.  It does have a couple small marinas.  http://rockettsvillage.com/

Definition of landing
1: an act or process of one that lands
especially : a going or bringing to a surface (such as land or shore) after a voyage or flight
2: a place for discharging and taking on passengers and cargo
3: a level part of a staircase (as at the end of a flight of stairs)
4: landings plural : the amount of fish or shellfish landed annually in a particular area
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/landing

I suppose that #2 could include an airport.  But I question whether Crystal City or Potomac Yards could be considered waterfront, certainly not in a direct sense.

[abefroman329]

But I question whether Crystal City or Potomac Yards could be considered waterfront, certainly not in a direct sense.

The Potomac River is (a) very close by and (b) navigable at this point, so I don't see why not.

[Beltway]

HQ2 is not a giant warehouse, as I've explained earlier. It's a corporate headquarters with tech workers being moved around, not packages. A centralized location with good transit and nearby walkable neighborhoods was key to all of this, after all.

Is it near the Queens station on the East Side Access project?  That project is tentatively scheduled to start service in December 2022.  That would increase the accessibility to HQ2.

[Beltway]

But I question whether Crystal City or Potomac Yards could be considered waterfront, certainly not in a direct sense.

The Potomac River is (a) very close by and (b) navigable at this point, so I don't see why not.

Within half mile or so, but intervening highways and airport land prevent practical access between those sites and the edge of the river.

[abefroman329]

HQ2 is not a giant warehouse, as I've explained earlier. It's a corporate headquarters with tech workers being moved around, not packages. A centralized location with good transit and nearby walkable neighborhoods was key to all of this, after all.

Is it near the Queens station on the East Side Access project?  That project is tentatively scheduled to start service in December 2022.  That would increase the accessibility to HQ2.

No, but it is near the Long Island City terminus of the LIRR.  Which is better, since they'd only need to boost service on that branch, perhaps with shuttle trains from Jamaica.

[kphoger]

No, but ... they'd only need to boost service on ... trains from Jamaica.

[Beltway]

Is it near the Queens station on the East Side Access project?  That project is tentatively scheduled to start service in December 2022.  That would increase the accessibility to HQ2.

No, but it is near the Long Island City terminus of the LIRR.  Which is better, since they'd only need to boost service on that branch, perhaps with shuttle trains from Jamaica.

The project will extend the LIRR to Grand Central Station, with a new station below GCS.  I thought that the extension will include a new station in Queens as well.  Also, will the current terminus be abandoned when the extension opens?

[kevinb1994]

Is it near the Queens station on the East Side Access project?  That project is tentatively scheduled to start service in December 2022.  That would increase the accessibility to HQ2.

No, but it is near the Long Island City terminus of the LIRR.  Which is better, since they'd only need to boost service on that branch, perhaps with shuttle trains from Jamaica.

The project will extend the LIRR to Grand Central Station, with a new station below GCS.  I thought that the extension will include a new station in Queens as well.  Also, will the current terminus be abandoned when the extension opens?

I doubt it, as trains will continue to terminate at both Penn Station and Long Island City station.

[abefroman329]

Is it near the Queens station on the East Side Access project?  That project is tentatively scheduled to start service in December 2022.  That would increase the accessibility to HQ2.

No, but it is near the Long Island City terminus of the LIRR.  Which is better, since they'd only need to boost service on that branch, perhaps with shuttle trains from Jamaica.

The project will extend the LIRR to Grand Central Station, with a new station below GCS.  I thought that the extension will include a new station in Queens as well.  Also, will the current terminus be abandoned when the extension opens?

(1) Yes, the ESA Project includes a new station in Queens
(2) No, it isn't particularly close to the Amazon site

[LM117]

Looks like Amazon is having second thoughts about NYC...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/tech/amazon-new-york-hq/index.html

[kalvado]

Looks like Amazon is having second thoughts about NYC...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/tech/amazon-new-york-hq/index.html

More like NYS having second thought about Amazon. Initially, a very generous insensitive package was offered, but after the elections there is some skepticism about handing out billions of dollars to richest man on the earth.

[jakeroot]

Looks like Amazon is having second thoughts about NYC...

More like NYS having second thought about Amazon.

I think it's both. Amazon feels unwelcome, despite the incentives; NYS/NYC feel chumped for giving a billion-dollar-company tax incentives.

The whole process was completely fucked from the get-go. How likely is it, really, that the economic benefit of Amazon would offset the $750m/$1.5b tax cuts that they were given? Seems to me like a stretch.

[kalvado]

Looks like Amazon is having second thoughts about NYC...

More like NYS having second thought about Amazon.

I think it's both. Amazon feels unwelcome, despite the incentives; NYS/NYC feel chumped for giving a billion-dollar-company tax incentives.

The whole process was completely fucked from the get-go. How likely is it, really, that the economic benefit of Amazon would offset the $750m/$1.5b tax cuts that they were given? Seems to me like a stretch.

It could be a huge deal upstate, but NYC... Not really a job shortage area.

[abefroman329]

Looks like Amazon is having second thoughts about NYC...

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/08/tech/amazon-new-york-hq/index.html

More like NYS having second thought about Amazon. Initially, a very generous insensitive package was offered, but after the elections there is some skepticism about handing out billions of dollars to richest man on the earth.

Oooh, that's gotta hurt!

[jakeroot]

Looks like Amazon is having second thoughts about NYC...

More like NYS having second thought about Amazon.

I think it's both. Amazon feels unwelcome, despite the incentives; NYS/NYC feel chumped for giving a billion-dollar-company tax incentives.

The whole process was completely fucked from the get-go. How likely is it, really, that the economic benefit of Amazon would offset the $750m/$1.5b tax cuts that they were given? Seems to me like a stretch.

It could be a huge deal upstate, but NYC... Not really a job shortage area.

Exactly. 25k jobs is cool, but I don't know if it would be $1.5b-in-incentives cool.

[Flint1979]

I love how Amazon spent the bulk of a long time deciding that NYC and Arlington would split the HQ2 and giving any other city hope that they'd win the bid.

[MantyMadTown]

If Amazon backs out of its plan to have part of HQ2 in New York, then where would it go? Would it just be in NOVA? Or do they have another place to put HQ2?

This whole thing reminds me of the Foxconn deal.

[kevinb1994]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/tennessee-very-interested-in-amazon-hq2-after-nyc-strife

Nashville appears to be interested in adding on to their initial deal for a mini HQ2 and turn it into a regular HQ2.

Also I read that Upstate NY is also interested if the NYC HQ2 deal continues to fail.

IMO Los Angeles could also work for an HQ2 instead of NYC.

[TheHighwayMan3561]

I doubt they want LA, simply because the megapolis is the center of US finance and policy.

[kevinb1994]

I doubt they want LA, simply because the megapolis is the center of US finance and policy.

Yeah I know, but still, it could be worth another look in case the NYC HQ2 continues to fail.

[tribar]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/tennessee-very-interested-in-amazon-hq2-after-nyc-strife

Nashville appears to be interested in adding on to their initial deal for a mini HQ2 and turn it into a regular HQ2.

Also I read that Upstate NY is also interested if the NYC HQ2 deal continues to fail.

IMO Los Angeles could also work for an HQ2 instead of NYC.

They have their main HQ on the west coast. I think they want HQ2 to be entirely on the east coast.