South Carolina

[74/171FAN]

After living in SC for a year, I noticed they have a minimalist signing practice; especially for state and US highways that aren't US 76, US 78, or US 301

I am currently working on doing the peer review for the SC state highways in Travel Mapping before the system becomes active, and I agree with your point.

[Mapmikey]

After living in SC for a year, I noticed they have a minimalist signing practice; especially for state and US highways that aren't US 76, US 78, or US 301

I am currently working on doing the peer review for the SC state highways before the system becomes active, and I agree with your point.

It used to be a little better when I was growing up there in the late 70s-early 80s.  In the Charleston metro area it got significantly worse after Hurricane Hugo came through...lots of route markers went down and not all were replaced...

[Mapmikey]

Since the South Carolina system is under review in Travel Mapping, it has become clear that SCDOT is posting more directional banners on their state routes than they used to.

For reasons I don't understand, they seem to be making all even numbers E-W and all odd numbers N-S whether that makes any sense or not, as their numbering system never evolved with that in mind.

An egregious example is SC 20 is posted as E-W despite its Greenville endpoint being north 47.08 mi and west only 1.36 miles from its Abbeville endpoint.

SC 8, SC 14 and SC 18 (ok I did spot one SC 18 North sign) are all now posted E-W despite being clearly N-S routes.  SC 211 is posted N-S while being extremely E-W and I recall it being posted E-W in the 1980s.

I have now found evidence they re-bannered routes for sure - SC 63 was posted E-W and is now N-S (see https://www.usends.com/walterboro.html)

[D-Dey65]

After living in SC for a year, I noticed they have a minimalist signing practice; especially for state and US highways that aren't US 76, US 78, or US 301

I am currently working on doing the peer review for the SC state highways before the system becomes active, and I agree with your point.

It used to be a little better when I was growing up there in the late 70s-early 80s.  In the Charleston metro area it got significantly worse after Hurricane Hugo came through...lots of route markers went down and not all were replaced...

Speaking of Metro Charleston, I noticed a closed off ramp from southbound I-26 to southwest-bound I-526.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.884055,-80.0207182,3a,60y,332.02h,91.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so2yELqvW1F2v_KArGkMVXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

That and an extra lane going from westbound Exit 17B on I-526.



https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8850951,-80.0170153,3a,75y,358.74h,90.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5VWDWhPp3Nz_xjRWDv72sQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

[rickmastfan67]

Speaking of Metro Charleston, I noticed a closed off ramp from southbound I-26 to southwest-bound I-526.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.884055,-80.0207182,3a,60y,332.02h,91.37t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so2yELqvW1F2v_KArGkMVXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

I'm guessing it's there for when they need to counter-flow I-26.

[D-Dey65]

Something else here; I'm starting to have doubts that the southern terminus of the US 15/301 overlap is really at the current intersection of Bass Road (US 15) and Five Chop Road (US 301). I'm starting to suspect US 15 still secretly follows Bass Road to SC 6, then overlaps that route until Exit 98 on I-95.

I've got some pics of old US 15/301 planned for my trip, so that's why I'm so interested right now.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_US_15-301,_Santee_to_Adam%27s_Landing_(South_Carolina)

[74/171FAN]

Something else here; I'm starting to have doubts that the southern terminus of the US 15/301 overlap is really at the current intersection of Bass Road (US 15) and Five Chop Road (US 301). I'm starting to suspect US 15 still secretly follows Bass Road to SC 6, then overlaps that route until Exit 98 on I-95.

I've got some pics of old US 15/301 planned for my trip, so that's why I'm so interested right now.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_US_15-301,_Santee_to_Adam%27s_Landing_(South_Carolina)

The SCDOT Street Finder shows the old portion of US 15 between US 301 and SC 6 being US 15 CON.

[D-Dey65]

Something else here; I'm starting to have doubts that the southern terminus of the US 15/301 overlap is really at the current intersection of Bass Road (US 15) and Five Chop Road (US 301). I'm starting to suspect US 15 still secretly follows Bass Road to SC 6, then overlaps that route until Exit 98 on I-95.

I've got some pics of old US 15/301 planned for my trip, so that's why I'm so interested right now.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_US_15-301,_Santee_to_Adam%27s_Landing_(South_Carolina)

The SCDOT Street Finder shows the old portion of US 15 between US 301 and SC 6 being US 15 CON.

Really? Because when I use it, it shows US 301 between Bass Road and I-95 as being US 15 Connector.

[D-Dey65]

Onto another issue; The south end of I-77 at I-26 has a missing Interstate shield above one of the BGS's and Google Street View won't let me go back in time to find out what it was.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9297439,-81.0580514,3a,75y,261.05h,81.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQIXd-u89XaJ6uqSK-V6Z3A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Good thing there's an old AARoads photo around showing it:
https://www.aaroads.com/sc/077/i-077_sb_exit_001_03.jpg

[74/171FAN]

Something else here; I'm starting to have doubts that the southern terminus of the US 15/301 overlap is really at the current intersection of Bass Road (US 15) and Five Chop Road (US 301). I'm starting to suspect US 15 still secretly follows Bass Road to SC 6, then overlaps that route until Exit 98 on I-95.

I've got some pics of old US 15/301 planned for my trip, so that's why I'm so interested right now.


https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_US_15-301,_Santee_to_Adam%27s_Landing_(South_Carolina)

The SCDOT Street Finder shows the old portion of US 15 between US 301 and SC 6 being US 15 CON.

Really? Because when I use it, it shows US 301 between Bass Road and I-95 as being US 15 Connector.

Maybe you are seeing it different than me.  I am seeing that as US 15.  2018 GSV still shows at least one US 15 SB shield indicating that it should turn off of US 301 SB.

[D-Dey65]

Maybe you are seeing it different than me.  I am seeing that as US 15.  2018 GSV still shows at least one US 15 SB shield indicating that it should turn off of US 301 SB.

I see that. I just don't see any signs for US 15 going northbound either onto US 301 or Bass Road, let alone any connector banners. But I see plenty of maps (including Google Maps, and SCDOT street finder) still claiming that part of Bass Road is still US 15 to SC 6.

UPDATE: Oh, wait. I see it now. But too many maps are still claiming Bass Road is part of US 15 north of there.

[74/171FAN]

Maybe you are seeing it different than me.  I am seeing that as US 15.  2018 GSV still shows at least one US 15 SB shield indicating that it should turn off of US 301 SB.

I see that. I just don't see any signs for US 15 going northbound either onto US 301 or Bass Road, let alone any connector banners. But I see plenty of maps (including Google Maps, and SCDOT street finder) still claiming that part of Bass Road is still US 15 to SC 6.

UPDATE: Oh, wait. I see it now. But too many maps are still claiming Bass Road is part of US 15 north of there.

You are correct in that the signs are not there for the 2018 GSV that I linked to.  I did not see signs at the I-95 interchange either.  I have no clue why that is or why even Google still shows US 15 incorrectly.

Most of the connector routes are not posted; however, there are a few expections (such as SC 5 Connector in Rock Hill).

[D-Dey65]

More about Santee; what's this diagonal strip of land from Bass Road to the southbound on-ramp from SC 6 in 1972?

https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=33.483333&lon=-80.483333

It looks like either a failed proposed spur, or an abandoned airport runway.

[NE2]

More about Santee; what's this diagonal strip of land from Bass Road to the southbound on-ramp from SC 6 in 1972?

https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=33.483333&lon=-80.483333

It looks like either a failed proposed spur, or an abandoned airport runway.

The 1980 topo has your answer.

[D-Dey65]

More about Santee; what's this diagonal strip of land from Bass Road to the southbound on-ramp from SC 6 in 1972?

https://historicaerials.com/?layer=map&zoom=12&lat=33.483333&lon=-80.483333

It looks like either a failed proposed spur, or an abandoned airport runway.

The 1980 topo has your answer.

Yes, that helps. And I see it didn't last very long.

[D-Dey65]

Is the news lying, or has there been some snow in northern South Carolina this week?

[74/171FAN]

Is the news lying, or has there been some snow in northern South Carolina this week?

It is in Accuweather's forecast for today. However, I do not understand why you did not post this in the Weather Board.

[D-Dey65]

Is the news lying, or has there been some snow in northern South Carolina this week?

It is in Accuweather's forecast for today. However, I do not understand why you did not post this in the Weather Board.

1)I forgot about it, and 2)It seemed to apply exclusively to the North and South Carolina border. I apologize.

[AcE_Wolf_287]

I Think US 15 Should Be Extended along US 17 Alt to US 21 in Yemassee

[jcarte29]

Onto another issue; The south end of I-77 at I-26 has a missing Interstate shield above one of the BGS's and Google Street View won't let me go back in time to find out what it was.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9297439,-81.0580514,3a,75y,261.05h,81.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQIXd-u89XaJ6uqSK-V6Z3A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Good thing there's an old AARoads photo around showing it:
https://www.aaroads.com/sc/077/i-077_sb_exit_001_03.jpg

Probably I-20

[Mapmikey]

I Think US 15 Should Be Extended along US 17 Alt to US 21 in Yemassee

This may have been the case briefly around 1951.  The evidence that this actually happened is laid out here - http://www.vahighways.com/scannex/route-log/us015.htm

[wriddle082]

Onto another issue; The south end of I-77 at I-26 has a missing Interstate shield above one of the BGS's and Google Street View won't let me go back in time to find out what it was.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9297439,-81.0580514,3a,75y,261.05h,81.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQIXd-u89XaJ6uqSK-V6Z3A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en

Good thing there's an old AARoads photo around showing it:
https://www.aaroads.com/sc/077/i-077_sb_exit_001_03.jpg

Probably I-20

Was definitely I-20.  They have recently awarded a contract to replace every BGS along I-77 from I-26 to the Richland/Fairfield Co line because the current ones have silkscreen letters peeling off due to either poor sign construction (only one factor IMO) or our blistering sun and humidity (the more likely factor IMO).  I'm sure they will fix this issue once that particular sign is replaced.

Also, the BGS replacement may have started already.  I noticed new overhead BGSs going northbound at SC 12, with newer blue state route shields, and the text was in FHWA font instead of Clearview.

[CanesFan27]

The Gaffney Peachoid.  For nearly 40 years, travelers along Interstate 85 in Upstate South Carolina have wondered - does this 135 foot tall water tower look like a peach or someone's rear end?

https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/04/the-peachoid.html

[cowboy_wilhelm]

Have there ever been any freeway/expressway long range plans for U.S. 25 on the west side of Greenville, through Travelers Rest and on to N.C.?

[D-Dey65]

Any updates on the status of the old US 15-301 Bridge over Lake Marion?

Hey, my 2,525th post. That deserves something;