Large-enough cities passed over for control-city status

[thspfc]

for a long time, i-25 nb out of denver was posted 'cheyenne', even though fort collins is a). larger, b.) closer and c.) a destination for more nb traffic than cheyenne. the traffic count goes down drastically after you pass the fort collins exits. i get that cheyenne is a state capital, but that seems more like wyoming's issue..

Only explanation for that is Cheyenne is a state capital and the principal city of its own "metro area"  (if you can call it that), while Fort Collins is sort of a suburb. But Fort Collins does make much more sense.

[JayhawkCO]

for a long time, i-25 nb out of denver was posted 'cheyenne', even though fort collins is a). larger, b.) closer and c.) a destination for more nb traffic than cheyenne. the traffic count goes down drastically after you pass the fort collins exits. i get that cheyenne is a state capital, but that seems more like wyoming's issue..

Only explanation for that is Cheyenne is a state capital and the principal city of its own "metro area"  (if you can call it that), while Fort Collins is sort of a suburb. But Fort Collins does make much more sense.

Fort Collins is only a suburb insofar as the whole I-25 corridor has "filled up", but it's definitely the prominent city of the Fort Collins/Greeley/Loveland area.

Chris

[Roadgeekteen]

for a long time, i-25 nb out of denver was posted 'cheyenne', even though fort collins is a). larger, b.) closer and c.) a destination for more nb traffic than cheyenne. the traffic count goes down drastically after you pass the fort collins exits. i get that cheyenne is a state capital, but that seems more like wyoming's issue..

How large was Fort Collins when Cheyenne was signed?

[JayhawkCO]

for a long time, i-25 nb out of denver was posted 'cheyenne', even though fort collins is a). larger, b.) closer and c.) a destination for more nb traffic than cheyenne. the traffic count goes down drastically after you pass the fort collins exits. i get that cheyenne is a state capital, but that seems more like wyoming's issue..

How large was Fort Collins when Cheyenne was signed?

In 1980, Fort Collins had 65,092.  It's 2019 estimated population is 170,243.  Pretty huge growth.

Chris

[Flint1979]

Fort Collins is a midsized college town so I think I can see Fort Collins being used going NB from Denver. It's 60 miles away so it's not much different than signing Flint on NB I-75 in Detroit.

[jaehak]

I agree with signing Fort Collins northbound from Denver, but I don't think they should have switched it in Cheyenne. It should still be 25 south Denver. Signing Fort Collins there is like signing Aurora on eastbound 88 over Chicago.

[zachary_amaryllis]

I agree with signing Fort Collins northbound from Denver, but I don't think they should have switched it in Cheyenne. It should still be 25 south Denver. Signing Fort Collins there is like signing Aurora on eastbound 88 over Chicago.

southbound, denver makes sense. as you go sb from chyoming, it starts picking up as you pass fort collins, tho there is a lot of sb traffic from cheyenne that goes to fort collins as well. maybe both? probably no simple answer.

[Roadgeekteen]

I find it strange that on I-49 south in Missouri, the bigger Fayetteville is passed over in favor of the smaller Fort Smith.

[MATraveler128]

I-90 also skips both Rochester and Syracuse and signs Buffalo instead. Same deal in Buffalo where Albany is signed.

[Roadgeekteen]

I-90 also skips both Rochester and Syracuse and signs Buffalo instead. Same deal in Buffalo where Albany is signed.

We've mentioned these examples before. I would sign Syracuse but not Rochester as it is a bit off the highway.

[bing101]

US-101 North to San Jose if you are going north on US-101 from Ventura.
Also you can argue that US-101 should have San Jose as a Control city in Downtown Los Angeles given that it is the largest city in Northern California.

[hbelkins]

I find it strange that on I-49 south in Missouri, the bigger Fayetteville is passed over in favor of the smaller Fort Smith.

Fort Smith -- now a major interstate junction.

Fayetteville -- not a major interstate junction.

[Roadgeekteen]

I find it strange that on I-49 south in Missouri, the bigger Fayetteville is passed over in favor of the smaller Fort Smith.

Fort Smith -- now a major interstate junction.

Fayetteville -- not a major interstate junction.

I realize that but the NWA metro area is bigger than the Fort Smith metro area, Fayetteville has a major university, and it has walmart. What does Fort Smith have besides the I-40 junction?

[keithvh]

US-101 North to San Jose if you are going north on US-101 from Ventura.
Also you can argue that US-101 should have San Jose as a Control city in Downtown Los Angeles given that it is the largest city in Northern California.

US-101 North from Ventura should be Santa Barbara --- that's just my opinion.  It's currently San Francisco.

I definitely do NOT think US-101 should be signed San Jose (or SF) anywhere in Los Angeles County.  Ventura works.

[SeriesE]

US-101 North to San Jose if you are going north on US-101 from Ventura.
Also you can argue that US-101 should have San Jose as a Control city in Downtown Los Angeles given that it is the largest city in Northern California.

US-101 North from Ventura should be Santa Barbara --- that's just my opinion.  It's currently San Francisco.

I definitely do NOT think US-101 should be signed San Jose (or SF) anywhere in Los Angeles County.  Ventura works.

I feel like San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara are both control city-worthy for US 101

[hobsini2]

I find it strange that on I-49 south in Missouri, the bigger Fayetteville is passed over in favor of the smaller Fort Smith.

Fort Smith -- now a major interstate junction.

Fayetteville -- not a major interstate junction.

I realize that but the NWA metro area is bigger than the Fort Smith metro area, Fayetteville has a major university, and it has walmart. What does Fort Smith have besides the I-40 junction?

And technically, the I-40 junction is in Van Buren and not Ft Smith. Ft Smith is entirely south of the river.

[hobsini2]

US-101 North to San Jose if you are going north on US-101 from Ventura.
Also you can argue that US-101 should have San Jose as a Control city in Downtown Los Angeles given that it is the largest city in Northern California.

US-101 North from Ventura should be Santa Barbara --- that's just my opinion.  It's currently San Francisco.

I definitely do NOT think US-101 should be signed San Jose (or SF) anywhere in Los Angeles County.  Ventura works.

I feel like San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara are both control city-worthy for US 101

Santa Barbara for sure. SLO maybe as a secondary. Salinas/Monterey is a more important area but too close to San Jose to be a primary.

[wriddle082]

Murfreesboro, TN is now large enough to be a control city, or at least a secondary one heading out of Nashville.  Population over 100k now, it's a college town, and they have an interstate junction.

[Roadgeekteen]

Murfreesboro, TN is now large enough to be a control city, or at least a secondary one heading out of Nashville.  Population over 100k now, it's a college town, and they have an interstate junction.

It's still a suburb though, so I would prefer it to only be a secondary.

[hotdogPi]

Murfreesboro, TN is now large enough to be a control city, or at least a secondary one heading out of Nashville.  Population over 100k now, it's a college town, and they have an interstate junction.

It's still a suburb though, so I would prefer it to only be a secondary.

It's in a similar position to Manchester NH with regard to population of both the suburb and the main city and distance between the two cities. I wouldn't skip Manchester on I-93.

[Ted$8roadFan]

Murfreesboro, TN is now large enough to be a control city, or at least a secondary one heading out of Nashville.  Population over 100k now, it's a college town, and they have an interstate junction.

It's still a suburb though, so I would prefer it to only be a secondary.

It's in a similar position to Manchester NH with regard to population of both the suburb and the main city and distance between the two cities. I wouldn't skip Manchester on I-93.

I've always wondered why Manchester was skipped over in favor of Concord as a control city on I-93 north since it is the largest city in NH, and 93 actually passes through it.

[roadman65]

Bridgeport, CT is passed over for New Haven, CT out of NYC and was always used on the CT Turnpike for ages. 


Bridgeport is the largest city in the state and gets skipped. I can see SB being prior to the much larger NYC, but NB it's really not in the forthcoming of anything larger until maybe Providence.

[Ted$8roadFan]

Stamford, CT has now surpassed New Haven as the second-largest city in Connecticut (2020 pop. 135,470).It is large enough to be a control city and to my knowledge isn't one.

[CtrlAltDel]

US-101 North to San Jose if you are going north on US-101 from Ventura.
Also you can argue that US-101 should have San Jose as a Control city in Downtown Los Angeles given that it is the largest city in Northern California.

US-101 North from Ventura should be Santa Barbara --- that's just my opinion.  It's currently San Francisco.

I definitely do NOT think US-101 should be signed San Jose (or SF) anywhere in Los Angeles County.  Ventura works.

I feel like San Luis Obispo and Santa Barbara are both control city-worthy for US 101

Santa Barbara for sure. SLO maybe as a secondary. Salinas/Monterey is a more important area but too close to San Jose to be a primary.

In my view, San Francisco is the next major destination on the route, and it would get the nod. Ventura is essentially part of the LA area, and so I would definitely not go with that. It's not even the city's real name, although I admit that's not an important factor.

[Roadgeekteen]

Stamford, CT has now surpassed New Haven as the second-largest city in Connecticut (2020 pop. 135,470).It is large enough to be a control city and to my knowledge isn’t one.

I believe it is because New Haven is more famous and is not in the NYC metro area, as Stamford and Bridgeport are. And I might be wrong, but I do recall seing some signs for Stamford on I-95 north.