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PNWRoadgeek:
The OR 217 widening is coming along nicely. The new frontage road is nearing completion, the new lighting is wonderful, and the road is gonna look nicer in general. Hopefully it fixes the traffic problems.. Considering that was one of the entire points of the widening.
Bruce:
--- Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on July 23, 2023, 09:36:12 PM ---Hopefully it fixes the traffic problems.. Considering that was one of the entire points of the widening.
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It won't. It never does.
jakeroot:
I'm not even sure what "fix traffic problems" means. On its surface I suppose it (you) may mean "reduce congestion" but I think there's a lot more to it than that. Improving safety is a big indicator of a successful fix, as is an increase in capacity. Reducing traffic on surface streets is also a measure of success, though I think OR-217 needs to be about 10 lanes to have any chance of making a big impact there.
I think this project will lead to an increase in AADT on OR-217, a small reduction in traffic on nearby surface streets, and overall similar congestion to today...though with a higher capacity, you're still moving more cars, so it's still "successful", at least on paper.
Plutonic Panda:
--- Quote from: Bruce on July 24, 2023, 01:45:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on July 23, 2023, 09:36:12 PM ---Hopefully it fixes the traffic problems.. Considering that was one of the entire points of the widening.
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It won't. It never does.
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Let’s just ignore OKCs I-40 that was widened 10 years ago and let’s also ignore the fact you’re so hung up on semantics like “fix†when that isn’t the right word. It will help with traffic issues.
PNWRoadgeek:
After thinking about it, I should have worded my post better. Yes, jakeroot. I did mean help with safety, which it probably will, or it won't, we just need to find out. The Portland Metro in general has a lot of bottlenecks, it's not I-4 bad in any way, but it's still pretty bad. But it might also lessen the congestion a little bit during the early afternoon, when it's frequently traffic-heavy. Probably won't change anything during the late afternoon, it's still gonna be a bottleneck with quite a few wrecks. Especially south of the OR 210 interchange, due to a lot of poor design flaws originally around that area(OR 217 was/is 2 lanes in each direction through Tigard except around the I-5 interchange, where it ends)
I have some plans for OR 217 myself, but I'll post those in fictional at some point.
--- Quote from: Plutonic Panda on July 24, 2023, 02:43:31 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bruce on July 24, 2023, 01:45:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on July 23, 2023, 09:36:12 PM ---Hopefully it fixes the traffic problems.. Considering that was one of the entire points of the widening.
--- End quote ---
It won't. It never does.
--- End quote ---
Let’s just ignore OKCs I-40 that was widened 10 years ago and let’s also ignore the fact you’re so hung up on semantics like “fix†when that isn’t the right word. It will help with traffic issues.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: jakeroot on July 24, 2023, 02:43:24 AM ---I'm not even sure what "fix traffic problems" means. On its surface I suppose it (you) may mean "reduce congestion" but I think there's a lot more to it than that. Improving safety is a big indicator of a successful fix, as is an increase in capacity. Reducing traffic on surface streets is also a measure of success, though I think OR-217 needs to be about 10 lanes to have any chance of making a big impact there.
I think this project will lead to an increase in AADT on OR-217, a small reduction in traffic on nearby surface streets, and overall similar congestion to today...though with a higher capacity, you're still moving more cars, so it's still "successful", at least on paper.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: Bruce on July 24, 2023, 01:45:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: PNWRoadgeek on July 23, 2023, 09:36:12 PM ---Hopefully it fixes the traffic problems.. Considering that was one of the entire points of the widening.
--- End quote ---
It won't. It never does.
--- End quote ---
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