PennDOT has revealed plans for improvements to Bayfront Parkway in Erie PA: A grade separated interchange with State Street where the ramps will be in the center, all left side exits and entrances, along with 2 lane rotaries at Sassafrass and Holland. All 3 locations will get pedestrian bridges over the parkway.
This project is now moving closer to construction as the US DOT has just allocated a $21 million BUILD grant (https://www.goerie.com/news/20200910/bayfront-parkway-project-gets-21-million-boost) to the project–which, coupled with the $30 million already committed by the state, brings available funding to $51 million. Construction is expected to begin in 2022.
I know the Bayfront Parkway was never planned to be a freeway, but if it had been, and it was built to Interstate Standards, it could have been numbered Interstate 290 (since the connector is presently PA 290). I'm sure the locals would have gone ballistic if such had been proposed, and it's probably better off the way it is.
Project links
Bayfront Parkway project main page (https://bayfrontparkwayproject.com/)
Map showing improvements (https://bayfrontparkwayproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/1-Overall-Corridor.pdf)
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 11, 2020, 02:58:02 PM
I know the Bayfront Parkway was never planned to be a freeway, but if it had been, and it was built to Interstate Standards, it could have been numbered Interstate 290 (since the connector is presently PA 290). I'm sure the locals would have gone ballistic if such had been proposed, and it's probably better off the way it is.
I'm pretty sure this
was actually a proposal at one point, though I have no idea how far along in development it ever got.
When I was in college, I lived on w7 in downtown erie. City hall had a 1970 mural about the reception lobby showing the downtown of the future. It showed bayfront as a freeway going over State with a very tight diamond interchange.
Does anybody know if this also reroutes PA-290 onto it (and off of PA-5)?
Only reason I ask, is because somebody on OSM has put PA-290 onto it, and removed it from PA-5 recently.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89262849
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
Does anybody know if this also reroutes PA-290 onto it (and off of PA-5)?
Only reason I ask, is because somebody on OSM has put PA-290 onto it, and removed it from PA-5 recently.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89262849
I noticed that too and asked them about it. They replied with a vague statement that didn't answer my question, so I asked for a source. Haven't heard back, and if I don't by the end of the month I'll revert it. A quick Google search (along with checking ECMS for any projects on SR 0290 that may include references to a reroute) turned up nothing. I'm not getting my hopes up since this same user has been making very dubious edits around the Erie area that I've been cleaning up (e.g. mapping center turn lane roads as dual carriageway, replacing bridges with tunnels, deleting and remaking ways with lost history and fewer tags, and paying seemingly no attention to route relations).
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
Does anybody know if this also reroutes PA-290 onto it (and off of PA-5)?
Only reason I ask, is because somebody on OSM has put PA-290 onto it, and removed it from PA-5 recently.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89262849
I noticed that too and asked them about it. They replied with a vague statement that didn't answer my question, so I asked for a source. Haven't heard back, and if I don't by the end of the month I'll revert it. A quick Google search (along with checking ECMS for any projects on SR 0290 that may include references to a reroute) turned up nothing. I'm not getting my hopes up since this same user has been making very dubious edits around the Erie area that I've been cleaning up (e.g. mapping center turn lane roads as dual carriageway, replacing bridges with tunnels, deleting and remaking ways with lost history and fewer tags, and paying seemingly no attention to route relations).
If he keeps adding false info, might have to report him then. :(
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 07, 2020, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
Does anybody know if this also reroutes PA-290 onto it (and off of PA-5)?
Only reason I ask, is because somebody on OSM has put PA-290 onto it, and removed it from PA-5 recently.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89262849
I noticed that too and asked them about it. They replied with a vague statement that didn't answer my question, so I asked for a source. Haven't heard back, and if I don't by the end of the month I'll revert it. A quick Google search (along with checking ECMS for any projects on SR 0290 that may include references to a reroute) turned up nothing. I'm not getting my hopes up since this same user has been making very dubious edits around the Erie area that I've been cleaning up (e.g. mapping center turn lane roads as dual carriageway, replacing bridges with tunnels, deleting and remaking ways with lost history and fewer tags, and paying seemingly no attention to route relations).
If he keeps adding false info, might have to report him then. :(
If it proves to be a continuous issue, I'll bring it up in the mailing lists and see what course of action would be recommended. I did also tell them to not map non-physically-divided roads as dual carriageway, so we'll see if they listened.
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 09:13:27 PM
I did also tell them to not map non-physically-divided roads as dual carriageway, so we'll see if they listened.
He might be trying to duplicate Google in that aspect then, since Google has a hard-on for doing it that way when they shouldn't be.
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 07, 2020, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
Does anybody know if this also reroutes PA-290 onto it (and off of PA-5)?
Only reason I ask, is because somebody on OSM has put PA-290 onto it, and removed it from PA-5 recently.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89262849
I noticed that too and asked them about it. They replied with a vague statement that didn't answer my question, so I asked for a source. Haven't heard back, and if I don't by the end of the month I'll revert it. A quick Google search (along with checking ECMS for any projects on SR 0290 that may include references to a reroute) turned up nothing. I'm not getting my hopes up since this same user has been making very dubious edits around the Erie area that I've been cleaning up (e.g. mapping center turn lane roads as dual carriageway, replacing bridges with tunnels, deleting and remaking ways with lost history and fewer tags, and paying seemingly no attention to route relations).
If he keeps adding false info, might have to report him then. :(
If it proves to be a continuous issue, I'll bring it up in the mailing lists and see what course of action would be recommended. I did also tell them to not map non-physically-divided roads as dual carriageway, so we'll see if they listened.
I was looking in the Lake City/Girard area today in OSM, and I see three new random PA routes (PA 543, PA 980 (already exists west of Pittsburgh along PA 576), and PA 480) that should not be there. Also something odd happened in New Castle. I wonder if this may be the same user as before.
Latest update is here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2410.msg2679114#msg2679114
Hopefully, I will remember that this thread exists next time there is an update.
Quote from: 74/171FAN on November 21, 2021, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 07, 2020, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
Does anybody know if this also reroutes PA-290 onto it (and off of PA-5)?
Only reason I ask, is because somebody on OSM has put PA-290 onto it, and removed it from PA-5 recently.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89262849
I noticed that too and asked them about it. They replied with a vague statement that didn't answer my question, so I asked for a source. Haven't heard back, and if I don't by the end of the month I'll revert it. A quick Google search (along with checking ECMS for any projects on SR 0290 that may include references to a reroute) turned up nothing. I'm not getting my hopes up since this same user has been making very dubious edits around the Erie area that I've been cleaning up (e.g. mapping center turn lane roads as dual carriageway, replacing bridges with tunnels, deleting and remaking ways with lost history and fewer tags, and paying seemingly no attention to route relations).
If he keeps adding false info, might have to report him then. :(
If it proves to be a continuous issue, I'll bring it up in the mailing lists and see what course of action would be recommended. I did also tell them to not map non-physically-divided roads as dual carriageway, so we'll see if they listened.
I was looking in the Lake City/Girard area today in OSM, and I see three new random PA routes (PA 543, PA 980 (already exists west of Pittsburgh along PA 576), and PA 480) that should not be there. Also something odd happened in New Castle. I wonder if this may be the same user as before.
Latest update is here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2410.msg2679114#msg2679114
Hopefully, I will remember that this thread exists next time there is an update.
I just looked into the PA-980 up there. Different person.
Just go and fix them if I were you.
PennDOT - District 1 News: Public Invited to Monthly Online Program on the Bayfront Parkway Project in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.gov/RegionalOffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1622)
PennDOT - District 1 News: Monthly Online Program on the Bayfront Parkway Project to Focus on Pedestrian and Bicycle Features (https://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1653)
PennDOT - District 1 News: Monthly Online Program on the Bayfront Parkway to Focus Port Authority Projects (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1708)
(For PA 5/PA 290) PennDOT - District 1 News: 12th Street Corridor Project Expected to Start Next Month (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1776)
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT, DMVA Mark Opening of Multimodal Bridge by Pennsylvania Soldiers' and Sailors' Home in Erie County (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1831)
QuoteThe bridge carries motorists, pedestrians, and cyclists over the CSX railroad tracks that run between the home and the nearby Pennsylvania Soldiers' and Sailors' Cemetery and the Major General Anthony Wayne Blockhouse.
The $2.7 million project is an ancillary project to the Bayfront Parkway Central Corridor Improvement Project, which is expected to get underway later this year.
(For PA 5/PA 290) PennDOT - District 1 News: Short-Term Restrictions Planned for Intersections along 12th Street Corridor in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1884)
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Announces Open House Events to Provide Updates on the Bayfront Parkway Central Corridor Improvement Project (http://www.penndot.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1915)
Looking at ECMS this morning, unofficial plans have been posted for the project. I looked through the signage plan and saw no indication of any PA Route being put on the Bayfront Pkwy.
I stopped there on vacation 2 weeks ago, during rush hour the left from the westbound bayfront connector to State street backed up almost to Parade.
Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on August 11, 2022, 08:29:31 AM
I stopped there on vacation 2 weeks ago, during rush hour the left from the westbound bayfront connector to State street backed up almost to Parade.
Well that intersection will be grade separated (https://bayfrontparkwayproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/3-State.pdf) so hopefully that will help some.
(For PA 5/PA 290) PennDOT - District 1 News: Traffic Pattern Changes Forthcoming at Four 12th Street Intersections in the City of Erie as Part of Improvement Project (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=1966)
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on November 21, 2021, 10:55:53 PM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on November 21, 2021, 03:57:47 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 09:13:27 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 07, 2020, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: Roadsguy on October 07, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: rickmastfan67 on October 06, 2020, 09:03:13 PM
Does anybody know if this also reroutes PA-290 onto it (and off of PA-5)?
Only reason I ask, is because somebody on OSM has put PA-290 onto it, and removed it from PA-5 recently.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89262849
I noticed that too and asked them about it. They replied with a vague statement that didn't answer my question, so I asked for a source. Haven't heard back, and if I don't by the end of the month I'll revert it. A quick Google search (along with checking ECMS for any projects on SR 0290 that may include references to a reroute) turned up nothing. I'm not getting my hopes up since this same user has been making very dubious edits around the Erie area that I've been cleaning up (e.g. mapping center turn lane roads as dual carriageway, replacing bridges with tunnels, deleting and remaking ways with lost history and fewer tags, and paying seemingly no attention to route relations).
If he keeps adding false info, might have to report him then. :(
If it proves to be a continuous issue, I'll bring it up in the mailing lists and see what course of action would be recommended. I did also tell them to not map non-physically-divided roads as dual carriageway, so we'll see if they listened.
I was looking in the Lake City/Girard area today in OSM, and I see three new random PA routes (PA 543, PA 980 (already exists west of Pittsburgh along PA 576), and PA 480) that should not be there. Also something odd happened in New Castle. I wonder if this may be the same user as before.
Latest update is here: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2410.msg2679114#msg2679114
Hopefully, I will remember that this thread exists next time there is an update.
I just looked into the PA-980 up there. Different person.
Just go and fix them if I were you.
I did go in there and attempt to make these changes today. I drove in this area Friday and saw no signs along US 20, PA 18, or PA 5 so I should be good on that alone.
The CE Expert System shows plans to add a traffic signal on the Bayfront Pkwy at Cranberry St. (https://www.dotdom2.state.pa.us/ceea/ceeamain03.nsf/18c042d1dacb327c85256c010051898b/85257fc4007728ec852589a3006a8ec4?OpenDocument)
Updated CE Expert System entry on the Bayfront Pkwy as of June 1st. (https://www.dotdom2.state.pa.us/ceea/ceeamain03.nsf/18c042d1dacb327c85256c010051898b/85257fc4007728ec8525899e004fb7dc?OpenDocument)
Updated CE Expert System entries on the Bayfront Pkwy as of July 20th:
Bayfront Parkway at 6th Street Intersection Impr. (https://www.dotdom2.state.pa.us/ceea/ceeamain03.nsf/18c042d1dacb327c85256c010051898b/85257fc4007728ec852589f100603d58?OpenDocument)
Bayfront Parkway RRX (https://www.dotdom2.state.pa.us/ceea/ceeamain03.nsf/18c042d1dacb327c85256c010051898b/85257fc4007728ec852589f10060331d?OpenDocument)
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Announces Plans Display for Safety Project Cranberry Street and the Bayfront Parkway in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2152)
Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 22, 2023, 08:45:03 AM
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Announces Plans Display for Safety Project Cranberry Street and the Bayfront Parkway in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2152)
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Updates Information on Safety Project at Cranberry Street and the Bayfront Parkway in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2156)
Quote from: 74/171FAN on June 05, 2023, 08:05:38 AM
Updated CE Expert System entry on the Bayfront Pkwy as of June 1st. (https://www.dotdom2.state.pa.us/ceea/ceeamain03.nsf/18c042d1dacb327c85256c010051898b/85257fc4007728ec8525899e004fb7dc?OpenDocument)
It was updated again on August 26th. (https://www.dotdom2.state.pa.us/ceea/ceeamain03.nsf/18c042d1dacb327c85256c010051898b/85257fc4007728ec85258a1500453ac7?OpenDocument)
Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 25, 2023, 10:19:45 AM
Quote from: 74/171FAN on August 22, 2023, 08:45:03 AM
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Announces Plans Display for Safety Project Cranberry Street and the Bayfront Parkway in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2152)
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Updates Information on Safety Project at Cranberry Street and the Bayfront Parkway in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2156)
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Updates Plans for Safety Project at Cranberry Street and the Bayfront Parkway in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/RegionalOffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2171)
PennDOT - District 1 News: Major Construction Getting Underway for the Bayfront Parkway Improvement Project in the City of Erie (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2202)
PennDOT - District 1 News: Bayfront Parkway Traffic Pattern Shift to Start Tomorrow (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2338)
PennDOT - District 1 News: PennDOT Announces Virtual Plans Display for Upcoming East Bayfront Parkway Project in the City of Erie, Erie County (https://www.penndot.pa.gov/regionaloffices/district-1/pages/details.aspx?newsid=2360)