And while the blanket quarantine requirements are gone for fully vaccinated travelers, a border officer can require one at their discretion. Between that and the PCR test (not rapid test) requirement, we're still not quite at the level where just hopping over for a daytrip is really practical, if such ever will be again. After 9/11, though the border thinned from the thickest it was immediately after the attacks, it never got even close to pre-9/11 conditions, and I fear such could happen again. Just as Americans feared terrorists transiting through the north (whether such is rational or not - let's please keep this thread open by keeping the politics out), Canadians now fear the virus could come from the south (same note as previous).
The negative test requirement is stupid. Even stupider that it can't be a rapid test (but I do agree with the vaccine requirement). It's a good first step at least and WAY overdue.I agree that border re-openings are, generally speaking, overdue. Countries across the world have opened, or are soon to open to Americans, but we aren't returning the favor. Yet, Canada is making this move as the Delta variant is ravaging parts of the US (namely Southwest Missouri, which has received plenty of national media attention as a result). The reason we chose Washington specifically is that my brother was to meet up with a friend from Europe. Unfortunately, he will not be able to enter the United States or Canada.
Hopefully the US follows suit.The negative test requirement is stupid. Even stupider that it can't be a rapid test (but I do agree with the vaccine requirement). It's a good first step at least and WAY overdue.I agree that border re-openings are, generally speaking, overdue. Countries across the world have opened, or are soon to open to Americans, but we aren't returning the favor. Yet, Canada is making this move as the Delta variant is ravaging parts of the US (namely Southwest Missouri, which has received plenty of national media attention as a result). The reason we chose Washington specifically is that my brother was to meet up with a friend from Europe. Unfortunately, he will not be able to enter the United States or Canada.
I will need to do some research to locate a place I can get an accepted type of COVID test near Seattle or Port Angeles, and somehow make it work with the plans of the rest of my trip. Quite a hassle for an overnight venture to Victoria.
And while the blanket quarantine requirements are gone for fully vaccinated travelers, a border officer can require one at their discretion. Between that and the PCR test (not rapid test) requirement, we're still not quite at the level where just hopping over for a daytrip is really practical, if such ever will be again. After 9/11, though the border thinned from the thickest it was immediately after the attacks, it never got even close to pre-9/11 conditions, and I fear such could happen again. Just as Americans feared terrorists transiting through the north (whether such is rational or not - let's please keep this thread open by keeping the politics out), Canadians now fear the virus could come from the south (same note as previous).
Politics aside, the arrogant attitude a lot of Canadians have towards American tourists in general (which has worsened since COVID) has really left a sour taste in my mouth. I’m sure lots of people from the northern border states will end up flocking back in droves but I can’t see myself visiting for a couple years. Lots of other countries were way more inviting than Canada pre-COVID (or at least I found myself more welcome) and I can think of a pretty lengthy list of places I rather go first.
I will need to do some research to locate a place I can get an accepted type of COVID test near Seattle or Port Angeles, and somehow make it work with the plans of the rest of my trip. Quite a hassle for an overnight venture to Victoria.
Politics aside, the arrogant attitude a lot of Canadians have towards American tourists in general (which has worsened since COVID) has really left a sour taste in my mouth.
Montreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
Typical. Americans love to bash Canada for having soft borders, but then complain when the border turns out actually not to be porous.
Americans can enter Canada a full month before anyone else in the world can, but obviously Canadians only have an arrogant attitude to the US.
And of course, let's not forget that Canada has made its border opening announcement prior to any announcement from the US side. So Canada has opened it's border (or at least announced it's intention to open the border) to Americans before American's have opened its border to Canadians.
And then of course there are issues like free trade. One of the hallmarks of the previous governments election platform was renegotiating NAFTA. Of course, during that renegotiated deal, the US unilaterally decided to impose trade tariffs on goods under the ridiculous guise of "national security". What a quintessentially American thought -- you are only pro-free trade when it suits you. If someone else gets to make a buck, then fuck'em.
And then there's the point that the US by presidential order, decreed that no vaccines could be exported to Canada or other countries. Again, there's this thing called free-trade. So, the reason that Canada (and other countries) don't have the same level of domestic vaccine production because the economies of Canada (and other countries) have been so integrated with that of America. That was a dick move on behalf of the Americans. And now of course, despite the fact that the US has one of the best vaccine production rates in the world, nearly 50% of America's population is literally to stubborn to get vaccinated.
And let's not ignore the mess that occurred on January 6. Watching a countries Capitol Building be overrun by a bunch of clueless right wing thugs used to be the type of thing reserved for (to paraphrase the previous administrations parlance) shithole countries.
I'm looking forward to the border opening again. I'm eager to visit some cities that I haven't been to in a couple of years, but to all of the American's out there, my friends, don't pretend you haven't had some rather fouling smelling fecal matter drifting north over the past few years. It's ignorant and insulting.
And while the blanket quarantine requirements are gone for fully vaccinated travelers, a border officer can require one at their discretion. Between that and the PCR test (not rapid test) requirement, we're still not quite at the level where just hopping over for a daytrip is really practical, if such ever will be again. After 9/11, though the border thinned from the thickest it was immediately after the attacks, it never got even close to pre-9/11 conditions, and I fear such could happen again. Just as Americans feared terrorists transiting through the north (whether such is rational or not - let's please keep this thread open by keeping the politics out), Canadians now fear the virus could come from the south (same note as previous).
Politics aside, the arrogant attitude a lot of Canadians have towards American tourists in general (which has worsened since COVID) has really left a sour taste in my mouth. I’m sure lots of people from the northern border states will end up flocking back in droves but I can’t see myself visiting for a couple years. Lots of other countries were way more inviting than Canada pre-COVID (or at least I found myself more welcome) and I can think of a pretty lengthy list of places I rather go first.
I pretty much agree with this post. The Mexican border has been open for quite a while and you don't have to jump though a bunch of hoops to go either. I think I'll visit and spend my money in places that actually want it. Even though Canada is technically reopening the border it seems pretty clear that they really don't really want people coming. They wouldn't even be doing it at all if it wasn't for the border areas pushing for it so hard. Like I can't imagine how much money Niagara Falls, Ontario has lost.
I'm not sure what the US is going to do, but I'd impose the same restrictions on their people that they're imposing on ours. Seems fair to me.
You mean you are signing up for Antarctic expedition?? That is COOL!QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
Typical. Americans love to bash Canada for having soft borders, but then complain when the border turns out actually not to be porous.
Americans can enter Canada a full month before anyone else in the world can, but obviously Canadians only have an arrogant attitude to the US.
And of course, let's not forget that Canada has made its border opening announcement prior to any announcement from the US side. So Canada has opened it's border (or at least announced it's intention to open the border) to Americans before American's have opened its border to Canadians.
And then of course there are issues like free trade. One of the hallmarks of the previous governments election platform was renegotiating NAFTA. Of course, during that renegotiated deal, the US unilaterally decided to impose trade tariffs on goods under the ridiculous guise of "national security". What a quintessentially American thought -- you are only pro-free trade when it suits you. If someone else gets to make a buck, then fuck'em.
And then there's the point that the US by presidential order, decreed that no vaccines could be exported to Canada or other countries. Again, there's this thing called free-trade. So, the reason that Canada (and other countries) don't have the same level of domestic vaccine production because the economies of Canada (and other countries) have been so integrated with that of America. That was a dick move on behalf of the Americans. And now of course, despite the fact that the US has one of the best vaccine production rates in the world, nearly 50% of America's population is literally to stubborn to get vaccinated.
And let's not ignore the mess that occurred on January 6. Watching a countries Capitol Building be overrun by a bunch of clueless right wing thugs used to be the type of thing reserved for (to paraphrase the previous administrations parlance) shithole countries.
I'm looking forward to the border opening again. I'm eager to visit some cities that I haven't been to in a couple of years, but to all of the American's out there, my friends, don't pretend you haven't had some rather fouling smelling fecal matter drifting north over the past few years. It's ignorant and insulting.
I don’t dispute the issues you state above on the U.S. side of things, there is certainly a lot of bad. All the same, the assumption that most of us supported things like what (or act a certain way) you describe above is the generalization I’m referring to. I rather just go somewhere else where nobody cares where I’m from or assumes something about me because of it.
You mean you are signing up for Antarctic expedition?? That is COOL!QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
Typical. Americans love to bash Canada for having soft borders, but then complain when the border turns out actually not to be porous.
Americans can enter Canada a full month before anyone else in the world can, but obviously Canadians only have an arrogant attitude to the US.
And of course, let's not forget that Canada has made its border opening announcement prior to any announcement from the US side. So Canada has opened it's border (or at least announced it's intention to open the border) to Americans before American's have opened its border to Canadians.
And then of course there are issues like free trade. One of the hallmarks of the previous governments election platform was renegotiating NAFTA. Of course, during that renegotiated deal, the US unilaterally decided to impose trade tariffs on goods under the ridiculous guise of "national security". What a quintessentially American thought -- you are only pro-free trade when it suits you. If someone else gets to make a buck, then fuck'em.
And then there's the point that the US by presidential order, decreed that no vaccines could be exported to Canada or other countries. Again, there's this thing called free-trade. So, the reason that Canada (and other countries) don't have the same level of domestic vaccine production because the economies of Canada (and other countries) have been so integrated with that of America. That was a dick move on behalf of the Americans. And now of course, despite the fact that the US has one of the best vaccine production rates in the world, nearly 50% of America's population is literally to stubborn to get vaccinated.
And let's not ignore the mess that occurred on January 6. Watching a countries Capitol Building be overrun by a bunch of clueless right wing thugs used to be the type of thing reserved for (to paraphrase the previous administrations parlance) shithole countries.
I'm looking forward to the border opening again. I'm eager to visit some cities that I haven't been to in a couple of years, but to all of the American's out there, my friends, don't pretend you haven't had some rather fouling smelling fecal matter drifting north over the past few years. It's ignorant and insulting.
I don’t dispute the issues you state above on the U.S. side of things, there is certainly a lot of bad. All the same, the assumption that most of us supported things like what (or act a certain way) you describe above is the generalization I’m referring to. I rather just go somewhere else where nobody cares where I’m from or assumes something about me because of it.
On a different note, way before covid, there was a trend of americans stocking on maple leaf merchandise before european trips to disguise their origin... Why would that be?
And while the blanket quarantine requirements are gone for fully vaccinated travelers, a border officer can require one at their discretion. Between that and the PCR test (not rapid test) requirement, we're still not quite at the level where just hopping over for a daytrip is really practical, if such ever will be again. After 9/11, though the border thinned from the thickest it was immediately after the attacks, it never got even close to pre-9/11 conditions, and I fear such could happen again. Just as Americans feared terrorists transiting through the north (whether such is rational or not - let's please keep this thread open by keeping the politics out), Canadians now fear the virus could come from the south (same note as previous).
Politics aside, the arrogant attitude a lot of Canadians have towards American tourists in general (which has worsened since COVID) has really left a sour taste in my mouth. I’m sure lots of people from the northern border states will end up flocking back in droves but I can’t see myself visiting for a couple years. Lots of other countries were way more inviting than Canada pre-COVID (or at least I found myself more welcome) and I can think of a pretty lengthy list of places I rather go first.
I pretty much agree with this post. The Mexican border has been open for quite a while and you don't have to jump though a bunch of hoops to go either. I think I'll visit and spend my money in places that actually want it. Even though Canada is technically reopening the border it seems pretty clear that they really don't really want people coming. They wouldn't even be doing it at all if it wasn't for the border areas pushing for it so hard. Like I can't imagine how much money Niagara Falls, Ontario has lost.
I'm not sure what the US is going to do, but I'd impose the same restrictions on their people that they're imposing on ours. Seems fair to me.
So first you say you'd rather spend your money in places that want it, and then you say let's impose our own restrictions on Canadians who might want to spend their money here. Please run that past us again. Canada at least is doing it for health-related reasons (whether or not you agree with their reasoning), whereas your reasoning is akin to sticking out your tongue and saying "same to you, fella."
On a separate note, Canada isn't opening to cruise ships until November 1st, which is still four months earlier than previously announced.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/07/15/cruise-ships-canada-waters-ban-lifted-november/7983543002/
QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
Typical. Americans love to bash Canada for having soft borders, but then complain when the border turns out actually not to be porous.
Americans can enter Canada a full month before anyone else in the world can, but obviously Canadians only have an arrogant attitude to the US.
And of course, let's not forget that Canada has made its border opening announcement prior to any announcement from the US side. So Canada has opened it's border (or at least announced it's intention to open the border) to Americans before American's have opened its border to Canadians.
And then of course there are issues like free trade. One of the hallmarks of the previous governments election platform was renegotiating NAFTA. Of course, during that renegotiated deal, the US unilaterally decided to impose trade tariffs on goods under the ridiculous guise of "national security". What a quintessentially American thought -- you are only pro-free trade when it suits you. If someone else gets to make a buck, then fuck'em.
And then there's the point that the US by presidential order, decreed that no vaccines could be exported to Canada or other countries. Again, there's this thing called free-trade. So, the reason that Canada (and other countries) don't have the same level of domestic vaccine production because the economies of Canada (and other countries) have been so integrated with that of America. That was a dick move on behalf of the Americans. And now of course, despite the fact that the US has one of the best vaccine production rates in the world, nearly 50% of America's population is literally to stubborn to get vaccinated.
And let's not ignore the mess that occurred on January 6. Watching a countries Capitol Building be overrun by a bunch of clueless right wing thugs used to be the type of thing reserved for (to paraphrase the previous administrations parlance) shithole countries.
I'm looking forward to the border opening again. I'm eager to visit some cities that I haven't been to in a couple of years, but to all of the American's out there, my friends, don't pretend you haven't had some rather fouling smelling fecal matter drifting north over the past few years. It's ignorant and insulting.
I don’t dispute the issues you state above on the U.S. side of things, there is certainly a lot of bad. All the same, the assumption that most of us supported things like what (or act a certain way) you describe above is the generalization I’m referring to. I rather just go somewhere else where nobody cares where I’m from or assumes something about me because of it.
Sadly, SOME Canadians define their country in terms that can come off as insulting to Americans. As “not America”. Sort of like being “non-dairy creamer” it is odd, defining something as what it is NOT, rather than what it is. This can come off as arrogant and condescending.
Further, IMHO, French Canadians hate English Canadians, and Americans can get mistaken for an English Canadian and get treated in the same shabby manner. In my experience, when Quebeckers know you are an American, their attitude changes totally.
As to “non-essential” travel, really, the country, from what I see on the news and from YouTubers that I trust, remains shut down and thus does not have the tourist infrastructure to make a trip enjoyable. Combined with the need for a $100 test and the overwhelmed health care system if one did get sick, from C*** or whatever, makes it a pass for at least a few more years.
I looked up antarctic opportunities at some point. US has essentially a small town there, main coastal base is 3k population or so. Many common folks are welcomed - for example, maintenance workers like plumbers, electricians, etc.You mean you are signing up for Antarctic expedition?? That is COOL!QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
Typical. Americans love to bash Canada for having soft borders, but then complain when the border turns out actually not to be porous.
Americans can enter Canada a full month before anyone else in the world can, but obviously Canadians only have an arrogant attitude to the US.
And of course, let's not forget that Canada has made its border opening announcement prior to any announcement from the US side. So Canada has opened it's border (or at least announced it's intention to open the border) to Americans before American's have opened its border to Canadians.
And then of course there are issues like free trade. One of the hallmarks of the previous governments election platform was renegotiating NAFTA. Of course, during that renegotiated deal, the US unilaterally decided to impose trade tariffs on goods under the ridiculous guise of "national security". What a quintessentially American thought -- you are only pro-free trade when it suits you. If someone else gets to make a buck, then fuck'em.
And then there's the point that the US by presidential order, decreed that no vaccines could be exported to Canada or other countries. Again, there's this thing called free-trade. So, the reason that Canada (and other countries) don't have the same level of domestic vaccine production because the economies of Canada (and other countries) have been so integrated with that of America. That was a dick move on behalf of the Americans. And now of course, despite the fact that the US has one of the best vaccine production rates in the world, nearly 50% of America's population is literally to stubborn to get vaccinated.
And let's not ignore the mess that occurred on January 6. Watching a countries Capitol Building be overrun by a bunch of clueless right wing thugs used to be the type of thing reserved for (to paraphrase the previous administrations parlance) shithole countries.
I'm looking forward to the border opening again. I'm eager to visit some cities that I haven't been to in a couple of years, but to all of the American's out there, my friends, don't pretend you haven't had some rather fouling smelling fecal matter drifting north over the past few years. It's ignorant and insulting.
I don’t dispute the issues you state above on the U.S. side of things, there is certainly a lot of bad. All the same, the assumption that most of us supported things like what (or act a certain way) you describe above is the generalization I’m referring to. I rather just go somewhere else where nobody cares where I’m from or assumes something about me because of it.
On a different note, way before covid, there was a trend of americans stocking on maple leaf merchandise before european trips to disguise their origin... Why would that be?
Actually an Antarctic expedition sounds like a once in a life thing that I would love to do.
Usually I would just avoid the topic of where I was from on previous trips to Canada. Most people in person are generally nice and it would be fair to say most (this goes for people anywhere) are indifferent to where people are from in general. Being a Red Wings fan wearing anything from the Toronto Maple Leafs was a no-no.
I looked up antarctic opportunities at some point. US has essentially a small town there, main coastal base is 3k population or so. Many common folks are welcomed - for example, maintenance workers like plumbers, electricians, etc.You mean you are signing up for Antarctic expedition?? That is COOL!QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
Typical. Americans love to bash Canada for having soft borders, but then complain when the border turns out actually not to be porous.
Americans can enter Canada a full month before anyone else in the world can, but obviously Canadians only have an arrogant attitude to the US.
And of course, let's not forget that Canada has made its border opening announcement prior to any announcement from the US side. So Canada has opened it's border (or at least announced it's intention to open the border) to Americans before American's have opened its border to Canadians.
And then of course there are issues like free trade. One of the hallmarks of the previous governments election platform was renegotiating NAFTA. Of course, during that renegotiated deal, the US unilaterally decided to impose trade tariffs on goods under the ridiculous guise of "national security". What a quintessentially American thought -- you are only pro-free trade when it suits you. If someone else gets to make a buck, then fuck'em.
And then there's the point that the US by presidential order, decreed that no vaccines could be exported to Canada or other countries. Again, there's this thing called free-trade. So, the reason that Canada (and other countries) don't have the same level of domestic vaccine production because the economies of Canada (and other countries) have been so integrated with that of America. That was a dick move on behalf of the Americans. And now of course, despite the fact that the US has one of the best vaccine production rates in the world, nearly 50% of America's population is literally to stubborn to get vaccinated.
And let's not ignore the mess that occurred on January 6. Watching a countries Capitol Building be overrun by a bunch of clueless right wing thugs used to be the type of thing reserved for (to paraphrase the previous administrations parlance) shithole countries.
I'm looking forward to the border opening again. I'm eager to visit some cities that I haven't been to in a couple of years, but to all of the American's out there, my friends, don't pretend you haven't had some rather fouling smelling fecal matter drifting north over the past few years. It's ignorant and insulting.
I don’t dispute the issues you state above on the U.S. side of things, there is certainly a lot of bad. All the same, the assumption that most of us supported things like what (or act a certain way) you describe above is the generalization I’m referring to. I rather just go somewhere else where nobody cares where I’m from or assumes something about me because of it.
On a different note, way before covid, there was a trend of americans stocking on maple leaf merchandise before european trips to disguise their origin... Why would that be?
Actually an Antarctic expedition sounds like a once in a life thing that I would love to do.
Usually I would just avoid the topic of where I was from on previous trips to Canada. Most people in person are generally nice and it would be fair to say most (this goes for people anywhere) are indifferent to where people are from in general. Being a Red Wings fan wearing anything from the Toronto Maple Leafs was a no-no.
As for care where you're from.. a lot of times that shows up regardless of what you want to show. And some (not sure about %%, as counterexamples tend to blend in) Americans tend to treat outsiders as subpar people - that is often visible regardless of what you say. That is fairly well visible in this thread, if you think about it.
Typical. Americans love to bash Canada for having soft borders, but then complain when the border turns out actually not to be porous.
Americans can enter Canada a full month before anyone else in the world can, but obviously Canadians only have an arrogant attitude to the US.
And of course, let's not forget that Canada has made its border opening announcement prior to any announcement from the US side. So Canada has opened it's [sic] border (or at least announced it's intention to open the border) to Americans before American's [sic] have opened its border to Canadians.
And then of course there are issues like free trade. One of the hallmarks of the previous governments election platform was renegotiating NAFTA. Of course, during that renegotiated deal, the US unilaterally decided to impose trade tariffs on goods under the ridiculous guise of "national security". What a quintessentially American thought -- you are only pro-free trade when it suits you. If someone else gets to make a buck, then fuck'em.
And then there's the point that the US by presidential order, decreed that no vaccines could be exported to Canada or other countries. Again, there's this thing called free-trade. So, the reason that Canada (and other countries) don't have the same level of domestic vaccine production because the economies of Canada (and other countries) have been so integrated with that of America. That was a dick move on behalf of the Americans. And now of course, despite the fact that the US has one of the best vaccine production rates in the world, nearly 50% of America's population is literally to stubborn to get vaccinated.
And let's not ignore the mess that occurred on January 6. Watching a countries Capitol Building be overrun by a bunch of clueless right wing thugs used to be the type of thing reserved for (to paraphrase the previous administrations parlance) shithole countries.
I'm looking forward to the border opening again. I'm eager to visit some cities that I haven't been to in a couple of years, but to all of the American's out there, my friends, don't pretend you haven't had some rather fouling smelling fecal matter drifting north over the past few years. It's ignorant and insulting.
Speaking for myself I’ve personally never cared where people are from. We have a lot of family on my Wife’s side that are Mexican Citizens, to me that is just a normal thing (which probably has a lot to do with how long I’ve lived in the Southwest).You personally maybe. People in general... Often at least you have to be aware of origin. Just as an example sitting next to me - if Chinese guy sounds like he is gonna go into a scandal in a moment - don't worry, that is their normal intonation. There are many such nuances.. And as an extreme example - I heard a fair share of horror stories of how US CBP singles out anyone looking remotely middle eastern on any border - including US-Canada border....
I had a very pleasant trip to Canada in 2019. Regarding rude Quebecois and despite the widespread ability to speak English, I do wonder if those Americans who experienced rudeness were themselves insensitive to the local culture. As my father says, even just using a handful of words in a local language can generate a disproportionate amount of goodwill (even in Paris). Looking forward to returning to Canada at the end of August if I can figure out the testing.Quebec situation is largely a local issue. If you know any language other than English, try using that - your server may suddenly realize English is a good common ground...
And I do find it repulsive that the U.S. has not developed an opening plan like Canada has, and yet Americans have been clamoring for Canada to open. Bad form.
That said, I do think Canada blaming the U.S. for lack of vaccine access is more reflective of their shortsightedness in this matter and a blunder of a misread of American leadership. I mean, in what universe would one have expected Trump to share? Even then, "us first, you second" was bound to be a reality. Combine that condition with the vaccine hesitancy based upon misinformation and lack of judgment amongst about 40% of our population and yes, you end up with a lack of flow to the outside world. Any observer of the U.S. should have said, "Um, they're screwed down there, we need to look for other solutions than waiting for vaccines to come from that ongoing disaster."
I am also not sure how the embarrassment of January 6th pertains to how American tourists treat Canadians and vice versa.
*runs back to checking test appointments so he can get one 72 hours before entering Canada at the end of August*
That said, I do think Canada blaming the U.S. for lack of vaccine access is more reflective of their shortsightedness in this matter and a blunder of a misread of American leadership. I mean, in what universe would one have expected Trump to share? Even then, "us first, you second" was bound to be a reality. Combine that condition with the vaccine hesitancy based upon misinformation and lack of judgment amongst about 40% of our population and yes, you end up with a lack of flow to the outside world. Any observer of the U.S. should have said, "Um, they're screwed down there, we need to look for other solutions than waiting for vaccines to come from that ongoing disaster."
^ Sure, there are many on this forum that do advocate for less border scrutiny than there currently is. It's a complicated issue fraught with legitimate sovereignty issues.
But, following 9/11, it was fairly common to hear about how the terrorists entered the US from Canada because Canada has lax border security. Which was obviously pretty frustrating to hear as a Canadian. No countries border security is perfect, neither the US's or Canada's, but it was pretty annoying to hear that somehow it was Canada's fault that the towers were knocked down. (Even if it was just said as an implication).
Canada's shit smells bad too. I am not (and was not) trying to imply that it doesn't. Probably the most defining thing about the culture of Canada (certainly English Canadian culture at least) is the fact that Canadians aren't Americans. I've always found to be a weak spot of Canada's cultural identity.
For as much as I am not a Trump supporter, he should be championed for Operation Warp Speed -- it was his greatest accomplishment, following a fairly bumbled early response to the pandemic. To his credit though, many (most?) world leaders mishandled the early days and months of the pandemic.
The border closure has impacted those on both sides of the border. There are many Canadian snowbirds who own property in the south, some who chose not to go down this winter, while others who chose to go down, had to either stay in the US, or face rather onerous quarantine restrictions upon their return.
I've been to Canada 4 times and never once experienced any issue because I'm American. And Canada has beaten us in vaccination rate so they must be doing something right.
You mean you are signing up for Antarctic expedition?? That is COOL!QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
Typical. Americans love to bash Canada for having soft borders, but then complain when the border turns out actually not to be porous.
Americans can enter Canada a full month before anyone else in the world can, but obviously Canadians only have an arrogant attitude to the US.
And of course, let's not forget that Canada has made its border opening announcement prior to any announcement from the US side. So Canada has opened it's border (or at least announced it's intention to open the border) to Americans before American's have opened its border to Canadians.
And then of course there are issues like free trade. One of the hallmarks of the previous governments election platform was renegotiating NAFTA. Of course, during that renegotiated deal, the US unilaterally decided to impose trade tariffs on goods under the ridiculous guise of "national security". What a quintessentially American thought -- you are only pro-free trade when it suits you. If someone else gets to make a buck, then fuck'em.
And then there's the point that the US by presidential order, decreed that no vaccines could be exported to Canada or other countries. Again, there's this thing called free-trade. So, the reason that Canada (and other countries) don't have the same level of domestic vaccine production because the economies of Canada (and other countries) have been so integrated with that of America. That was a dick move on behalf of the Americans. And now of course, despite the fact that the US has one of the best vaccine production rates in the world, nearly 50% of America's population is literally to stubborn to get vaccinated.
And let's not ignore the mess that occurred on January 6. Watching a countries Capitol Building be overrun by a bunch of clueless right wing thugs used to be the type of thing reserved for (to paraphrase the previous administrations parlance) shithole countries.
I'm looking forward to the border opening again. I'm eager to visit some cities that I haven't been to in a couple of years, but to all of the American's out there, my friends, don't pretend you haven't had some rather fouling smelling fecal matter drifting north over the past few years. It's ignorant and insulting.
I don’t dispute the issues you state above on the U.S. side of things, there is certainly a lot of bad. All the same, the assumption that most of us supported things like what (or act a certain way) you describe above is the generalization I’m referring to. I rather just go somewhere else where nobody cares where I’m from or assumes something about me because of it.
On a different note, way before covid, there was a trend of americans stocking on maple leaf merchandise before european trips to disguise their origin... Why would that be?
I've been to Canada 4 times and never once experienced any issue because I'm American. And Canada has beaten us in vaccination rate so they must be doing something right.
^ Sure, there are many on this forum that do advocate for less border scrutiny than there currently is. It's a complicated issue fraught with legitimate sovereignty issues.
But, following 9/11, it was fairly common to hear about how the terrorists entered the US from Canada because Canada has lax border security. Which was obviously pretty frustrating to hear as a Canadian. No countries border security is perfect, neither the US's or Canada's, but it was pretty annoying to hear that somehow it was Canada's fault that the towers were knocked down. (Even if it was just said as an implication).
Canada's shit smells bad too. I am not (and was not) trying to imply that it doesn't. Probably the most defining thing about the culture of Canada (certainly English Canadian culture at least) is the fact that Canadians aren't Americans. I've always found to be a weak spot of Canada's cultural identity.
For as much as I am not a Trump supporter, he should be championed for Operation Warp Speed -- it was his greatest accomplishment, following a fairly bumbled early response to the pandemic. To his credit though, many (most?) world leaders mishandled the early days and months of the pandemic.
The border closure has impacted those on both sides of the border. There are many Canadian snowbirds who own property in the south, some who chose not to go down this winter, while others who chose to go down, had to either stay in the US, or face rather onerous quarantine restrictions upon their return.
The toughest thing for most Americans to do is consider why someone, especially English-speaking, would not want to be American. It's a complete cultural blind spot.
Their ability to convince most people to get the vaccine (more than America) was very good. Now their lockdowns into the summer I disagree with. We did some things better, they did other things better.I've been to Canada 4 times and never once experienced any issue because I'm American. And Canada has beaten us in vaccination rate so they must be doing something right.
If you consider keeping most things shut down until nearly the entire country has been vaccinated,, then they're doing it right.
But if you live there, work there, and want to go anywhere, you're pretty much stuck inside until nearly everyone gets the vaccine. If what the did in Canada was done here in the US, nearly two-thirds of the states in this country still would be under significant restrictions and closures.
The Mexican border has been open for quite a while and you don't have to jump though a bunch of hoops to go either.
The Mexican border has been open for quite a while and you don't have to jump though a bunch of hoops to go either.
I'm not sure the US–Mexican ever actually closed. There was plenty of talk and rumors, but I don't think anything actually changed on the ground.
Further, IMHO, French Canadians hate English Canadians, and Americans can get mistaken for an English Canadian and get treated in the same shabby manner. In my experience, when Quebeckers know you are an American, their attitude changes totally.
Yeah, Quebecers usually will treat English speaking American's far more favourably than English speaking Canadians.
The Mexican border has been open for quite a while and you don't have to jump though a bunch of hoops to go either.
I'm not sure the US–Mexican ever actually closed. There was plenty of talk and rumors, but I don't think anything actually changed on the ground.
It never did.
The US/Mexico border has been closed to non-essential travelers for about as long as the US/Canada border has been shut:
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/investigations/beyond-the-border/no-official-decision-on-us-mexico-border-reopening-as-latest-extension-expires-wednesday-san-ysidro-business/509-c81145b7-fca6-49d6-9fe0-e5a028719dd5
The US/Mexico border has been closed to non-essential travelers for about as long as the US/Canada border has been shut:
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/investigations/beyond-the-border/no-official-decision-on-us-mexico-border-reopening-as-latest-extension-expires-wednesday-san-ysidro-business/509-c81145b7-fca6-49d6-9fe0-e5a028719dd5
What are the percentages or per capita? Because the United States has 10 times the population that Canada does. Canada's entire population is about the same as the population of California.Their ability to convince most people to get the vaccine (more than America) was very good. Now their lockdowns into the summer I disagree with. We did some things better, they did other things better.I've been to Canada 4 times and never once experienced any issue because I'm American. And Canada has beaten us in vaccination rate so they must be doing something right.
If you consider keeping most things shut down until nearly the entire country has been vaccinated,, then they're doing it right.
But if you live there, work there, and want to go anywhere, you're pretty much stuck inside until nearly everyone gets the vaccine. If what the did in Canada was done here in the US, nearly two-thirds of the states in this country still would be under significant restrictions and closures.
I've been to Canada 4 times and never once experienced any issue because I'm American. And Canada has beaten us in vaccination rate so they must be doing something right.
If you consider keeping most things shut down until nearly the entire country has been vaccinated,, then they're doing it right.
But if you live there, work there, and want to go anywhere, you're pretty much stuck inside until nearly everyone gets the vaccine. If what the did in Canada was done here in the US, nearly two-thirds of the states in this country still would be under significant restrictions and closures.
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinationsWhat are the percentages or per capita? Because the United States has 10 times the population that Canada does. Canada's entire population is about the same as the population of California.Their ability to convince most people to get the vaccine (more than America) was very good. Now their lockdowns into the summer I disagree with. We did some things better, they did other things better.I've been to Canada 4 times and never once experienced any issue because I'm American. And Canada has beaten us in vaccination rate so they must be doing something right.
If you consider keeping most things shut down until nearly the entire country has been vaccinated,, then they're doing it right.
But if you live there, work there, and want to go anywhere, you're pretty much stuck inside until nearly everyone gets the vaccine. If what the did in Canada was done here in the US, nearly two-thirds of the states in this country still would be under significant restrictions and closures.
There is a pretty fundamental issue with not letting people to re-enter the country of their citizenship.
The US lets US citizens back in from Mexico.
Mexico isn't stopping US citizens from entering Mexico.
There is a pretty fundamental issue with not letting people to re-enter the country of their citizenship.
So if Mexico took more relaxed attitude towards inflow ofUS dollarstravelers bringing money into the country, that is one thing.
US policy on foreigners entry would likely be uniform across northern and southern borders.
There is a pretty fundamental issue with not letting people to re-enter the country of their citizenship.
So if Mexico took more relaxed attitude towards inflow ofUS dollarstravelers bringing money into the country, that is one thing.
US policy on foreigners entry would likely be uniform across northern and southern borders.
Your reply implies that you believe tourist money is why Mexico hasn't stopped letting US visitors into their country. I believe you're correct. Why, then, do you assume the US would treat the northern and southern borders equally? Would the US not have unequal interest in preserving the cash flow from one country compared to the other?
The US sealed its borders because the situation in Italy (and then Spain) became an obvious problem.
I flew into the US from Toronto in March of 2020 a few days before Italy shut its borders down, and at that time there were only restrictions about travel from China.
The US sealed its borders because the situation in Italy (and then Spain) became an obvious problem.I am more thinking about Diamon Princess passengers situation and a first NY hotspot originating from Iran of all places. For example, CDC and Trump personally wanted to leave known infected people from DP in Japan, but department of state overruled and brought sick folks back. As far as I remember, genetic studies shown that there was a leak and consequent spread from that quarantine. Not that it really changed anything in a long run, though. But infection was seen as "unhygienic chinese" problem with little spread potential in "civilized US", so first pass quarantine measures were less than spectacular.
I flew into the US from Toronto in March of 2020 a few days before Italy shut its borders down, and at that time there were only restrictions about travel from China.
The negative test requirement is stupid. Even stupider that it can't be a rapid test (but I do agree with the vaccine requirement). It's a good first step at least and WAY overdue.
Politics aside, the arrogant attitude a lot of Canadians have towards American tourists in general (which has worsened since COVID) has really left a sour taste in my mouth.
I have relatives that live in the Detroit suburbs and they stopped going over before Covid broke out because of that.
Former WWE wrestler Bob Holly also wrote this in his book about going to Canada:QuoteMontreal is completely the opposite of Australia---there seems to be a lot of rude people in Montreal. Several times when I stopped to ask for directions, the French Canadians just looked at me funny and walked off. I never did like going into Canada, period. Not many of the boys did. It was always such a hassle at customs. We entered other countries without a problem, but getting into Canada could be brutal. They'd take forever with us; it was torture. Any time we worked there, we'd get paid in Canadian dollars, so when the exchange rate was bad, we lost money like crazy. You'd better believe that seeing Canada on the schedule was a real buzzkill.
When looking at the cultural stresses around language in Québec, a useful piece of context was that before the 1960's, the professional class in Québec was primarily comprised of anglophones, and the laborer class in Québec was primarily made up of francophones. The social turmoil of the 1960s manifested there approximately around linguistic lines....and yes, I know I'm not doing it justice with that generalization.
Sigh, if only we could go to the US as well. :/
The Mexican border has been open for quite a while and you don't have to jump though a bunch of hoops to go either.
I'm not sure the US–Mexican ever actually closed. There was plenty of talk and rumors, but I don't think anything actually changed on the ground.
As to “non-essential” travel, really, the country, from what I see on the news and from YouTubers that I trust, remains shut down and thus does not have the tourist infrastructure to make a trip enjoyable.
Earlier in the thread, kphoger and kalvado discussed the idea of money playing a bigger role. I think northern WA communities would have appreciated this sort of approach.If you will, entire response is an attempt to compromise between epidemiologists desire for a complete lockdown and the economic reality of people having to put something on a plate. For most people, food has to come from the outside of their immediate residence...
Based on the number of BC plates I see here in the Seattle area, I was assuming that Canadians were being allowed into the US ...
However US vs Mexico are pretty different right now, despite a pretty open border as @kphoger says.
I thought Point Roberts had been accomodated otherwise.
Ontario had internal border checkpoints through much of the spring. They have since been removed. I drove to Quebec twice while the internal border was technically closed. There were no restrictions heading easterly in Quebec, but there were returning to Ontario. On my first trip west I followed a rural concession road from Quebec back into Ontario which was open without any police presence. On my second trip through, I took the 401 and was directed into the first service centre just west of the border where a uniformed OPP officer waived me through without any questioning. I have an Ontario plate on my vehicle, and I don't think any resident can be denied entry back into their home province for any reason.
Canada's constitution prohibits restrictions to living and conducting business in different provinces, but the language isn't as strong as it is in the US regarding interstate travel. I suspect that the internal border checkpoints are illegal and unconstitutional in Canada much as they would be in the US, but generally most Canadians have been been fairly apathetic to these temporary restrictions.
I thought Point Roberts had been accomodated otherwise.
I understood there were some other tiny exclaves that were accommodated, but Point Roberts residents never got permission to even transit through Canada, and the local CBSA outpost has been inconsistent in interpreting the definition of "essential" for allowed crossings. (E.g. in one instance a dental emergency was apparently not "essential".)
I've been to Canada 4 times and never once experienced any issue because I'm American. And Canada has beaten us in vaccination rate so they must be doing something right.
If you consider keeping most things shut down until nearly the entire country has been vaccinated,, then they're doing it right.
But if you live there, work there, and want to go anywhere, you're pretty much stuck inside until nearly everyone gets the vaccine. If what the did in Canada was done here in the US, nearly two-thirds of the states in this country still would be under significant restrictions and closures.
I'm in BC right now. Things are pretty much wide open. Ontario isn't the entire country.
One thing for sure - by 2030 or so, there will be a consensus about what should have been done in spring 2020. Hindsight is always 20/20.I've been to Canada 4 times and never once experienced any issue because I'm American. And Canada has beaten us in vaccination rate so they must be doing something right.
If you consider keeping most things shut down until nearly the entire country has been vaccinated,, then they're doing it right.
But if you live there, work there, and want to go anywhere, you're pretty much stuck inside until nearly everyone gets the vaccine. If what the did in Canada was done here in the US, nearly two-thirds of the states in this country still would be under significant restrictions and closures.
I'm in BC right now. Things are pretty much wide open. Ontario isn't the entire country.
Maybe I should've chosen to use Province rather than Country, but the point still applies. Canada in general stayed shut down or going on with restrictions for much longer than the US. Most of their restrictions this Spring were where the US was last spring. There were very few instances where someone couldn't freely travel around their own state, and few instances where someone couldn't at minimum drive thru other states.
US needs to follow suit
To decrease the spread of COVID-19, including the Delta variant, the United States is extending restrictions on non-essential travel at our land and ferry crossings with Canada and Mexico through August 21, while ensuring the continued flow of essential trade and travel.
— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) July 21, 2021
Chuck Schumer was very vocal about border reopening. Moreover,US needs to follow suit
We should, and instead we're delaying until at least 8/21. I'm frankly disgusted.To decrease the spread of COVID-19, including the Delta variant, the United States is extending restrictions on non-essential travel at our land and ferry crossings with Canada and Mexico through August 21, while ensuring the continued flow of essential trade and travel.
— Homeland Security (@DHSgov) July 21, 2021
If an agreement isn't made by July 21, Schumer says the U.S. stands ready to enact a policy allowing vaccinated Canadians to cross into the U.S.
"I today am declaring that it’s time for the United States to take action even without the Canadians because they have delayed too long," said Schumer.
If I'm reading this correctly though, as an American, we can enter Canada at the land border just fine. And then they can't deny us re-entry. So Americans can go North and come home. Canadians just can't travel here via land/sea.Most likely. How would that affect long term relations, especially given Schumer pushing the issue, is a whole different story.
Chris
Meanwhile, and hopefully less controversially, I'm trying to figure out what it takes to actually visit Canada as a fully vaccinated individual. They still require a quarantine plan on file. My hope, if I've read correctly, is that if they tell you that you are required to quarantine (for whatever reason), you can just turn around and head back into the USA and that's that.Apparently the Maritimes are still requiring quarantines, even for Canadians, so... we postpone some more.
Ruh roh...Dagnabbit. I was just figuring out how to navigate all their rules for entry!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbsa-strike-vote-border-1.6118764 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbsa-strike-vote-border-1.6118764)
Ruh roh...yikes
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbsa-strike-vote-border-1.6118764 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbsa-strike-vote-border-1.6118764)
Given the wave of unvaccinated and entitled Americans coming their way, I'm pretty sympathetic to their plight.
But the Canadian agents tend to be jerks anyway, so it's a bit conflicting.
Given the wave of unvaccinated and entitled Americans coming their way, I'm pretty sympathetic to their plight.
But the Canadian agents tend to be jerks anyway, so it's a bit conflicting.
Really? I've crossed the border many times (pre Covid) and never had the Canadian agents be anything but polite and professional. Which is more than I can say about the American side.
Given the wave of unvaccinated and entitled Americans coming their way, I'm pretty sympathetic to their plight.
But the Canadian agents tend to be jerks anyway, so it's a bit conflicting.
Really? I've crossed the border many times (pre Covid) and never had the Canadian agents be anything but polite and professional. Which is more than I can say about the American side.
I've had much worse interactions with the Canadian side than the U.S. On a road trip in college, got pulled out of the car and made sit for two hours while they scoured the car, presumably for drugs (despite my posts in the man-card thread, I had never touched a drug other than alcohol or caffeine until I was 33). Flying through Vancouver on the way to Hong Kong I got pulled into secondary and tertiary screenings because they couldn't believe a 27 year old guy would fly to Hong Kong through Canada for vacation for four days. The cheapest fare was on Air Canada. Maybe they just didn't want me to fly that airline. I was in an isolation room for about an hour by myself before they talked to me. Luckily I had a six hour layover due to a delayed flight.
Chris
Given the wave of unvaccinated and entitled Americans coming their way, I'm pretty sympathetic to their plight.
But the Canadian agents tend to be jerks anyway, so it's a bit conflicting.
Really? I've crossed the border many times (pre Covid) and never had the Canadian agents be anything but polite and professional. Which is more than I can say about the American side.
I've had much worse interactions with the Canadian side than the U.S. On a road trip in college, got pulled out of the car and made sit for two hours while they scoured the car, presumably for drugs (despite my posts in the man-card thread, I had never touched a drug other than alcohol or caffeine until I was 33). Flying through Vancouver on the way to Hong Kong I got pulled into secondary and tertiary screenings because they couldn't believe a 27 year old guy would fly to Hong Kong through Canada for vacation for four days. The cheapest fare was on Air Canada. Maybe they just didn't want me to fly that airline. I was in an isolation room for about an hour by myself before they talked to me. Luckily I had a six hour layover due to a delayed flight.
Chris
Wow. Until 2020, I'd crossed the land border with Canada at least once each year since 1978. A couple times they had us stop to pay duty on things we were importing, and my first solo trip to Canada as an almost 18-year-old, they wanted to see I had cash and cards (obviously worried I'd join their generous welfare system). Otherwise, it's always been two to four questions and a wave on with no delay.
Contrast that to the American guards who have searched my car one year and another year threatened to steal my butter tarts if I hadn't declared them.
Given the wave of unvaccinated and entitled Americans coming their way, I'm pretty sympathetic to their plight.
But the Canadian agents tend to be jerks anyway, so it's a bit conflicting.
Really? I've crossed the border many times (pre Covid) and never had the Canadian agents be anything but polite and professional. Which is more than I can say about the American side.
I've had much worse interactions with the Canadian side than the U.S. On a road trip in college, got pulled out of the car and made sit for two hours while they scoured the car, presumably for drugs (despite my posts in the man-card thread, I had never touched a drug other than alcohol or caffeine until I was 33). Flying through Vancouver on the way to Hong Kong I got pulled into secondary and tertiary screenings because they couldn't believe a 27 year old guy would fly to Hong Kong through Canada for vacation for four days. The cheapest fare was on Air Canada. Maybe they just didn't want me to fly that airline. I was in an isolation room for about an hour by myself before they talked to me. Luckily I had a six hour layover due to a delayed flight.
Chris
Wow. Until 2020, I'd crossed the land border with Canada at least once each year since 1978. A couple times they had us stop to pay duty on things we were importing, and my first solo trip to Canada as an almost 18-year-old, they wanted to see I had cash and cards (obviously worried I'd join their generous welfare system). Otherwise, it's always been two to four questions and a wave on with no delay.
Contrast that to the American guards who have searched my car one year and another year threatened to steal my butter tarts if I hadn't declared them.
I've been to 66 countries and crossed the border back and forth to Canada something like 10 times, and I've never once had an issue with an American border agent. YMMV obviously.
Chris
I told her about our trip and when we were doing and she said "why would you do that? Isn't there New Years Eve in Texas?" Took me years to just realize she was unhappy with her own life.
She asked why we were crossing from Quebec into Vermont if we had Texas license plates. I said something along the lines of because we can.
She asked why we were crossing from Quebec into Vermont if we had Texas license plates. I said something along the lines of because we can.
Boy, you really made sure to start off on the right foot, there.
Given the wave of unvaccinated...Americans coming their way
Tip for anybody going to Canada on a regular basis: the NEXUS pass is a great way to avoid incessant questions. I'm only ever asked how long I'm going to be in Canada. Then they let me through.Given the wave of unvaccinated...Americans coming their way
I was under the impression that you had to prove vaccinated status to get in.
Tip for anybody going to Canada on a regular basis: the NEXUS pass is a great way to avoid incessant questions. I'm only ever asked how long I'm going to be in Canada. Then they let me through.Given the wave of unvaccinated...Americans coming their way
I was under the impression that you had to prove vaccinated status to get in.
You do have to prove vaccinated status (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-vaccinated-travellers-entering-canada#determine-fully) to get to Canada as of August 9. There's no "wave of unvaccinated Americans coming their way".
No difference than the people that were shocked, SHOCKED, when they had to have a mask to enter my restaurant when we reopened after the first lockdown.
No difference than the people that were shocked, SHOCKED, when they had to have a mask to enter my restaurant when we reopened after the first lockdown.
Were shocked, or acted shocked?
Tip for anybody going to Canada on a regular basis: the NEXUS pass is a great way to avoid incessant questions. I'm only ever asked how long I'm going to be in Canada. Then they let me through.Of course, for that it helps to cross often enough to make getting NEXUS worthwhile (I think that threshold is about twice a year, given what I've heard from people on it). For me who hasn't been across since 2014 and was only averaging once every couple years even before plans started falling through with disappointing regularity, it's probably not practical and would just raise more eyebrows. Plus it's sad that now one has to pay and have a background check just to have things be the way they were for everyone before 9/11.
Just for the record I've never had any problems at the US Canada border, either way.
Just for the record I've never had any problems at the US Canada border, either way.
Wait until you're in your mid 20's and traveling alone. Then you might look more "dangerous".
Chris
I heard some horror stories of crossing US border while looking middle Asian...Just for the record I've never had any problems at the US Canada border, either way.
Wait until you're in your mid 20's and traveling alone. Then you might look more "dangerous".
Chris
Or like me and you shave your head, not because it's fashionable, but because you are bald.
Given the wave of unvaccinated...Americans coming their way
I was under the impression that you had to prove vaccinated status to get in.
Given the wave of unvaccinated...Americans coming their way
I was under the impression that you had to prove vaccinated status to get in.
Never said they would be successful in crossing. I will definitely be looking forward to watching them try.
Tip for anybody going to Canada on a regular basis: the NEXUS pass is a great way to avoid incessant questions. I'm only ever asked how long I'm going to be in Canada. Then they let me through.Given the wave of unvaccinated...Americans coming their way
I was under the impression that you had to prove vaccinated status to get in.
You do have to prove vaccinated status (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-vaccinated-travellers-entering-canada#determine-fully) to get to Canada as of August 9. There's no "wave of unvaccinated Americans coming their way".
There's also plenty of stupid Americans who would show up unvaccinated and be confused why they couldn't get in. No difference than the people that were shocked, SHOCKED, when they had to have a mask to enter my restaurant when we reopened after the first lockdown.
Chris
I heard some horror stories of crossing US border while looking middle Asian...Just for the record I've never had any problems at the US Canada border, either way.
Wait until you're in your mid 20's and traveling alone. Then you might look more "dangerous".
Chris
Or like me and you shave your head, not because it's fashionable, but because you are bald.
I heard some horror stories of crossing US border while looking middle Asian...Just for the record I've never had any problems at the US Canada border, either way.
Wait until you're in your mid 20's and traveling alone. Then you might look more "dangerous".
Chris
Or like me and you shave your head, not because it's fashionable, but because you are bald.
This. It's 100% legal to racially/ethnically profile at the border, so both sides do it. At the beginning of the pandemic, I was crossing with a South Asian and an East Asian in line in front of me (was taking a bus to Vancouver). Both of them were absolutely grilled - the East Asian specifically about whether or not he had been to China recently. I figured I was in for rough treatment as well.
Turns out, they're pretty nice if you've got a Canadian passport. They just wanted to know how long I'd be staying. I'm a dual, so I can also say that US CBP is very polite when you've got a US passport.
My problem with U.S. border people is it looks like they're armed to the hilt with body armor. Not very welcoming compared to the Canadians.
I heard some horror stories of crossing US border while looking middle Asian...Just for the record I've never had any problems at the US Canada border, either way.
Wait until you're in your mid 20's and traveling alone. Then you might look more "dangerous".
Chris
Or like me and you shave your head, not because it's fashionable, but because you are bald.
This. It's 100% legal to racially/ethnically profile at the border, so both sides do it. At the beginning of the pandemic, I was crossing with a South Asian and an East Asian in line in front of me (was taking a bus to Vancouver). Both of them were absolutely grilled - the East Asian specifically about whether or not he had been to China recently. I figured I was in for rough treatment as well.
Turns out, they're pretty nice if you've got a Canadian passport. They just wanted to know how long I'd be staying. I'm a dual, so I can also say that US CBP is very polite when you've got a US passport.
I don't know. In all my border crossings, I have been grilled the most by US agents while being an American Citizen (of course with a US passport).
My problem with U.S. border people is it looks like they're armed to the hilt with body armor. Not very welcoming compared to the Canadians.
I heard some horror stories of crossing US border while looking middle Asian...Just for the record I've never had any problems at the US Canada border, either way.
Wait until you're in your mid 20's and traveling alone. Then you might look more "dangerous".
Chris
Or like me and you shave your head, not because it's fashionable, but because you are bald.
This. It's 100% legal to racially/ethnically profile at the border, so both sides do it. At the beginning of the pandemic, I was crossing with a South Asian and an East Asian in line in front of me (was taking a bus to Vancouver). Both of them were absolutely grilled - the East Asian specifically about whether or not he had been to China recently. I figured I was in for rough treatment as well.
Turns out, they're pretty nice if you've got a Canadian passport. They just wanted to know how long I'd be staying. I'm a dual, so I can also say that US CBP is very polite when you've got a US passport.
I don't know. In all my border crossings, I have been grilled the most by US agents while being an American Citizen (of course with a US passport).
The northern border and the southern border are two different worlds.
I heard some horror stories of crossing US border while looking middle Asian...Just for the record I've never had any problems at the US Canada border, either way.
Wait until you're in your mid 20's and traveling alone. Then you might look more "dangerous".
Chris
Or like me and you shave your head, not because it's fashionable, but because you are bald.
This. It's 100% legal to racially/ethnically profile at the border, so both sides do it. At the beginning of the pandemic, I was crossing with a South Asian and an East Asian in line in front of me (was taking a bus to Vancouver). Both of them were absolutely grilled - the East Asian specifically about whether or not he had been to China recently. I figured I was in for rough treatment as well.
Turns out, they're pretty nice if you've got a Canadian passport. They just wanted to know how long I'd be staying. I'm a dual, so I can also say that US CBP is very polite when you've got a US passport.
I don't know. In all my border crossings, I have been grilled the most by US agents while being an American Citizen (of course with a US passport).
The northern border and the southern border are two different worlds.
I wasn't talking about the southern border. I have it in my head to ignore what goes on there as to being specific to that region. When I made that comment about being grilled by US agents, I was talking about coming back from Canada and coming back from Europe. Every time I come back to the US from those places I get the third degree. Probably far worse than coming back from Mexico, because at least at that border, I am so pathetically pale skinned they realize I must be a US citizen.
My problem with U.S. border people is it looks like they're armed to the hilt with body armor. Not very welcoming compared to the Canadians.
I find that comment rather amusing—considering that, while crossing the border into Mexico, I've had my vehicle searched by soldiers wearing full-body camo, black face masks, and semi-automatic rifles. So, for me, having my passport run by a CBP agent wearing a polo shirt and holstered pistol is a few steps up the 'welcoming' ladder.
Ruh roh...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbsa-strike-vote-border-1.6118764 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cbsa-strike-vote-border-1.6118764)
I am continuing to regularly see BC plates. I saw at least two yesterday, and have seen at least one almost everyday for as long as I can remember. Most of the drivers are just younger people (primarily couples but a few by themselves as well) seemingly on vacation.
Attn: freight traffic -- this is quickly becoming a large and long backup. It is now blocking from the #Canadian border, down SR 543 and taking up the right lane on northbound I-5 at exit 274. https://t.co/Co4w2Mr5dq pic.twitter.com/deyQ7NmAY9
— WSDOT Traffic (@wsdot_traffic) August 6, 2021
Feel bad for the drivers. Feel worse for customs. They have been getting the short end of stick for way to long pic.twitter.com/dvekBQP4Qm
— Asmodeus (@Asmodeus_Lucem) August 7, 2021
So the border is on track to open on Monday?
Despite an increase in COVID-19 cases in the U.S. and concerns regarding the Delta variant, Canada’s Aug. 9 reopening date is still on track, Canadian Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Theresa Tam confirmed in a press conference held on Thursday.
The land border is still going to be a mess on Monday. Watching a couple of news reports......there's a lot of people that just haven't looked at the requirements such as the pre-arrival testing, fully vaccinated for 14 days and uploading all that information to the ArriveCAN App before you get to the border. Then there's those Canadians that think it's open southbound too and are just going to get turned around and sent back by US CBP.....adding to the line-up.The "work to rule" union action didn't help things, either, but have to say I sided with the union on that one.
So the border is on track to open on Monday?There were no plans to delay the reopening due to the strike. Had the strike continued, people would have just had to wait in long lines.
The border has been opened to vaccinated Americans, who are willing to wait for as much as seven hours in some places/times, according to Business Insider. Some three weeks ago, I cancelled my trip to Washington State and Victoria, BC mentioned in the OP.Current delays for non-commercial to Canada:
Here is the article I mentioned in my above post https://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-long-lines-to-canada-border-reopens-travel-ban-lifts-2021-8 (https://www.businessinsider.com/pictures-long-lines-to-canada-border-reopens-travel-ban-lifts-2021-8)Current wait time, U.S. to Canada, International Falls: None, for all traffic.
This supposed seven hour wait was at International Falls. If I did pursue my trip, my crossing point would have been the Peace Arch point of entry.
Fort Frances, Ontario, and International Falls, Minnesota — an area that the site [CBSA] said "rarely experiences delays".Of course, August 9th wasn't exactly a 'normal day' at the world's largest land border.
If I did pursue my trip, my crossing point would have been the Peace Arch point of entry.
My initial thought when seeing how delayed the lines were at first, I was thinking to myself: "Sure glad I cancelled my trip", though my entry would have been about 24 hours after me typing this, so I would have been good to go (I did my research on how to get in to the country).
I'll pass on anything interesting my dad experiences when crossing tomorrow.
I'll be heading that way on August 21.
I went to Vancouver, BC, on Monday. I did wait about an hour at Peace Arch.
I had a quarantine plan on the app, but the border patrol agent never asked or even looked at the app. We just showed our passport, CDC vaccination card, and a negative test I had from Friday.
Returned the same day at around midnight. As usual, I always get a dick US border patrol agent. He was bored and searched our vehicle and said that an orange that we brought from Seattle (that we did declare to Canadian BP) could 'cost us dearly' next time.
The covid test site on Aurora. Did it after work on Friday. It is one of the approved testing methods. Make sure you do it within 72 hours of crossing the border. Fortunately, it’s now a self-issue test to pick your nose; no more sadistic nurse picking your brain.I went to Vancouver, BC, on Monday. I did wait about an hour at Peace Arch.
I had a quarantine plan on the app, but the border patrol agent never asked or even looked at the app. We just showed our passport, CDC vaccination card, and a negative test I had from Friday.
Returned the same day at around midnight. As usual, I always get a dick US border patrol agent. He was bored and searched our vehicle and said that an orange that we brought from Seattle (that we did declare to Canadian BP) could 'cost us dearly' next time.
Thank you for the report! That doesn't sound bad at all. Where did you get your Covid test?
The covid test site on Aurora. Did it after work on Friday. It is one of the approved testing methods. Make sure you do it within 72 hours of crossing the border.
My girlfriend and I have a COVID test scheduled for this Friday morning at the Boeing Facility in Auburn, in preparation for our crossing Sunday, 15 August.Literally Saturday morning. And I got tested right before they closed on Friday on my way to a party lol.The covid test site on Aurora. Did it after work on Friday. It is one of the approved testing methods. Make sure you do it within 72 hours of crossing the border.
How quickly did your results come in? We specifically scheduled the test to allow 48 hours for results.
I had a quarantine plan on the app, but the border patrol agent never asked or even looked at the app. We just showed our passport, CDC vaccination card, and a negative test I had from Friday.
In ArriveCAN you can't put "returning home" as an option without it making you give a Canadian address, so you essentially have to put the next hotel you plan to stay at.
I had a quarantine plan on the app, but the border patrol agent never asked or even looked at the app. We just showed our passport, CDC vaccination card, and a negative test I had from Friday.
What'd you put as your quarantine plan? I'm toying with the idea of heading to Canada, but I'm not sure what I could say except "head back to the US" or "book a hotel room."
I had a quarantine plan on the app, but the border patrol agent never asked or even looked at the app. We just showed our passport, CDC vaccination card, and a negative test I had from Friday.
What'd you put as your quarantine plan? I'm toying with the idea of heading to Canada, but I'm not sure what I could say except "head back to the US" or "book a hotel room."
So if I'm planning a day trip with no hotel involved and returning to my home in Seattle what could I put as a quarantine plan?
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
Whatever that worth, my friend - a service engineer for a manufacturer of food-processing equipment , fully vaccinated at that time - was "deported" from Canada while the border was still closed.It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
I would be very careful with the information put into the app as there have been $20,000 fines recently for false information. (this was fake vaccine docs)Well faking vaccine information is radically different than a shaky quarantine plan. I think the quarantine plan for most visitors would be impossible if they don’t know someone who lives in Canada.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/two-travellers-from-u-s-fined-20-000-each-for-fake-vaccination-documents-1.5529627
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?
Wut.It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?
Maybe, given its not against the law to have COVID and could make for an interesting court case, especially if the person involved is voluntarily willing to go back. (But, I'm not a lawyer.)
Well Canada isn’t allowed nonessential entry to the US until the 21st. Mask mandates are resuming in Oregon and Snohomish County, WA, so I wouldn’t be surprised if the border closes again soon thanks to the delta variant.It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?
Wut.It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?
Maybe, given its not against the law to have COVID and could make for an interesting court case, especially if the person involved is voluntarily willing to go back. (But, I'm not a lawyer.)
Customs officials have broad authority over who is let in and who isn't.
Yes.Wut.It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
And on the other hand if that was a US requirement.....would a Canadian be treated any different by US CBP?
Maybe, given its not against the law to have COVID and could make for an interesting court case, especially if the person involved is voluntarily willing to go back. (But, I'm not a lawyer.)
Customs officials have broad authority over who is let in and who isn't.
True, but does US CBP have the authority to make someone who tests positive to isolate against there will for two weeks vs just forcing/ allowing them leave.
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.
:meh:
Mike
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.
:meh:
Mike
All checkpoints are eliminated? Unless the countries merge, I can say with 100% certainty that you will not live that long.
Chris
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.
:meh:
Mike
Have to say, the proportion of the background info provided to the actual point of the paragraph is very high on this one. Could have just said "Oshkosh"; AirVenture is well-known.As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.
:meh:
Mike
All checkpoints are eliminated? Unless the countries merge, I can say with 100% certainty that you will not live that long.
Chris
I remember a discussion that I had with a USA border guard in the Federal Pavilion at the Experimental Aircraft Association's annual Airventure fly-in convention in Oshkosh, WI (airport KOSH - this is a BIG DEAL, nearly 17K civil aircraft were on the grounds for it a few weeks ago this year) in the late 00s where he straight out told me with fairly good certainty that had the 2001-09-11 attack not happened, Canada and the USA were on track to eliminate the checkpoints and set up a Schengen-style system along the mutual border by about 2004. I have heard it termed in some circles as the 'Strong Perimeter'.
Mike
As for me ever visiting Canada again, I think that I'll just wait until such time as the checkpoints are eliminated - if I live that long.That's unfortunate. People putting their own restrictions on travel is somewhat befuddling to me, despite my understanding that not everyone can psychologically handle going through the steps needed to get from points A to B.
:meh:
Mike
US and Canada need a Schengen area. I don't see many downsides to that.
Yeah I don't care. "But __ might lose their job" is never an excuse for preventing innovation and moving forward.US and Canada need a Schengen area. I don't see many downsides to that.
There are a lot of Homeland Security contractors who stand to lose there.
Yeah I don't care. "But __ might lose their job" is never an excuse for preventing innovation and moving forward.
What contractors would lose their jobs anyway?Yeah I don't care. "But __ might lose their job" is never an excuse for preventing innovation and moving forward.
Except it always is. Depending on which political party is talking, you never want to have (a) American jobs moving overseas or (b) Teamsters losing jobs.
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
It's the 'random' testing you might have to do once you arrive......and if you test positive you will be sent into quarantine and have to be able to show you have a plan for this. You've now entered Canada, had contacts here and won't just be sent back to the US.
Stupid Question: So even if you are honest on everything but randomly test positive one can essentially be detained for 14 days by Health Canada/ CBSA, instead of being allowed immediate reentry to the US?
I suppose they could do that, but if you read the Canadian Government's website, it says you are allowed to exit quarantine to leave Canada.
There are more manageable travel restrictions......... Maritime Provinces (New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland/Labrador)
Some Canadian provinces and territories have travel restrictions in addition to the border crossing rules established by Canada's federal government. Here is a handy guide to the restrictions still in place for travel within Canada (https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/provinces).
The unwelcome mat is still out for leisure or other non-essential travel, including for Canadian travelers, to Nunavut, the Northwest Territories, and far northern Quebec (including the James Bay Road/Route Billy-Diamond Highway). There are more manageable travel restrictions for Manitoba and the Maritime Provinces (New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, Nova Scotia, and Newfoundland/Labrador), which you should check if you want to go there. Otherwise, getting across the U.S./Canada border will be the hard part.
I'll pass on anything interesting my dad experiences when crossing tomorrow.
I'll be heading that way on August 21.
I'd be interested to know if they actually ask about the quarantine plan of if it's basically a non-issue.
One other thing: if you are ordered into quarantine in Canada due to a positive test result (rather than just a Canadian border agent deciding for other reasons that you didn't qualify for a quarantine exemption), even if you can voluntarily exit Canadian quarantine, might a U.S. border agent make you immediately quarantine in the U.S.?
(Again IANAL tho...)
Mine was the same experience. Agent didn’t ask about quarantine plan. Did he fill out the ArriveCAN app?I'll pass on anything interesting my dad experiences when crossing tomorrow.
I'll be heading that way on August 21.
I'd be interested to know if they actually ask about the quarantine plan of if it's basically a non-issue.
My dad's experience was they didn't ask about the quarantine plan. The border guard did look at the negative test receipt and vaccine card along with the regular passport requirement.
Mine was the same experience. Agent didn’t ask about quarantine plan. Did he fill out the ArriveCAN app?I'll pass on anything interesting my dad experiences when crossing tomorrow.
I'll be heading that way on August 21.
I'd be interested to know if they actually ask about the quarantine plan of if it's basically a non-issue.
My dad's experience was they didn't ask about the quarantine plan. The border guard did look at the negative test receipt and vaccine card along with the regular passport requirement.
Curious because I did, and I’m wondering if the agent just sees what I put on the app when they scan my passport.
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Got my negative results in today. I have a hotel stay already planned for the night of 15 August, so the quarantine plan is no issue. Planning to pass through the border around 9am tomorrow.I was pretty accurate on mine. We just went through peace arch. I figured sumas and the truck entry would have stricter agents.
The application asked for both (a) crossing location, and (b) crossing time. Does anyone know how solid these have to be?
Got my negative results in today. I have a hotel stay already planned for the night of 15 August, so the quarantine plan is no issue. Planning to pass through the border around 9am tomorrow.
The application asked for both (a) crossing location, and (b) crossing time. Does anyone know how solid these have to be?
One other thing: if you are ordered into quarantine in Canada due to a positive test result (rather than just a Canadian border agent deciding for other reasons that you didn't qualify for a quarantine exemption), even if you can voluntarily exit Canadian quarantine, might a U.S. border agent make you immediately quarantine in the U.S.?
One could imagine, provided the individual is a legal US resident, it may bring up a whole host of issues, constitutionality, possible Miranda stuff, etc. (Again IANAL tho...)
It would seem that when Canada opened up the land border, they also opened the water border back up as well:
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/pb-pp-eng.html#s07
It would seem that when Canada opened up the land border, they also opened the water border back up as well:
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/pb-pp-eng.html#s07
It would seem that when Canada opened up the land border, they also opened the water border back up as well:
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/pb-pp-eng.html#s07
Passed through the border around 0915 today, and it involved two checkpoints. That's one more than usual for the uninformed.
Driving north on I-5, US CBP had the lanes closed just past the final exit to Blaine, and directed all traffic into a small lay-by. Each car was stopped, asked to shut the engine off and provide keys to an agent; numerous questions asked about future travel itinerary, bags searched, car searched, etc. Then I was given the OK to leave. NEVER been stopped by CBP going into Canada. I'm not even used to checkpoints in Washington. Very odd experience.
The actual Canadian border was pretty straightforward, apart from having to provide the negative COVID tests. Typical questions about travel plans, hotel stays. Nothing about quarantine plans. Never showed my phone. Provided the two ID's that I noted in the ArriveCAN app, and we were good.
I managed to record the whole experience on dashcam, which I will upload later.
Passed through the border around 0915 today, and it involved two checkpoints. That's one more than usual for the uninformed.
Driving north on I-5, US CBP had the lanes closed just past the final exit to Blaine, and directed all traffic into a small lay-by. Each car was stopped, asked to shut the engine off and provide keys to an agent; numerous questions asked about future travel itinerary, bags searched, car searched, etc. Then I was given the OK to leave. NEVER been stopped by CBP going into Canada. I'm not even used to checkpoints in Washington. Very odd experience.
The actual Canadian border was pretty straightforward, apart from having to provide the negative COVID tests. Typical questions about travel plans, hotel stays. Nothing about quarantine plans. Never showed my phone. Provided the two ID's that I noted in the ArriveCAN app, and we were good.
I managed to record the whole experience on dashcam, which I will upload later.
It would seem that when Canada opened up the land border, they also opened the water border back up as well:
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/pb-pp-eng.html#s07
Yeah, they did. Maritime entry is one of the options on the first page of the ArriveCAN app. The others being arrival by land and air, of course.
Yes, I was talking about recreational boating - not ferries. There are many places in the 1000 Islands where avoiding crossing the border is impractical, especially east of Chippewa Bay where all the dredged material from building the Seaway was dumped (resulting in places where the water goes from dozens of feet deep to only a foot or two very quickly). Plus who wants to keep track of where the line is when they're out there, anyways?It would seem that when Canada opened up the land border, they also opened the water border back up as well:
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/pb-pp-eng.html#s07
I recall this being a concern with boaters in the Thousand Islands, who would traditionally cross the international border going between islands, even if their starting point and destination were in the same country.
I recall this being a concern with boaters in the Thousand Islands, who would traditionally cross the international border going between islands, even if their starting point and destination were in the same country.Yes, I was talking about recreational boating - not ferries. There are many places in the 1000 Islands where avoiding crossing the border is impractical, especially east of Chippewa Bay where all the dredged material from building the Seaway was dumped (resulting in places where the water goes from dozens of feet deep to only a foot or two very quickly). Plus who wants to keep track of where the line is when they're out there, anyways?
Exit checks should be illegal. It's the Canadian border, not the Berlin Wall!
Exit checks should be illegal. It's the Canadian border, not the Berlin Wall!
Exactly, obviously CBP is way overstaffed if they have time to harass people going to Canada.
Passed through the border around 0915 today, and it involved two checkpoints. That's one more than usual for the uninformed.
Driving north on I-5, US CBP had the lanes closed just past the final exit to Blaine, and directed all traffic into a small lay-by. Each car was stopped, asked to shut the engine off and provide keys to an agent.....
Passed through the border around 0915 today, and it involved two checkpoints. That's one more than usual for the uninformed.
Driving north on I-5, US CBP had the lanes closed just past the final exit to Blaine, and directed all traffic into a small lay-by. Each car was stopped, asked to shut the engine off and provide keys to an agent.....
Well that would be physical contact. How many other key sets had he touched that day? Hope he had gloves on and changed them each time.
So, that exit check I mentioned was a first for me. I have gone through the WA-BC border more times that I could possibly count, and I have never encountered them.
This is where I was stopped: https://goo.gl/maps/nLVd8jpcguZNCQ2a8
Based on the setup, it seems pretty apparent that the checkpoint was designed to exist at that point. I've just never seen it happen. The lights were flashing red, cones setup to file traffic into the right lane, and the bollards on the right removed. There was about five to eight CBP agents.
As to their purpose: I don't quite get the idea. Being stopped without reasonable suspicion makes me uncomfortable. My girlfriend was particularly thrown by the experience as they went through her whole bag, handling her underwear, bras, etc. I just don't know what anyone going into Canada is doing to deserve being checked to that degree.
So, that exit check I mentioned was a first for me. I have gone through the WA-BC border more times that I could possibly count, and I have never encountered them.
This is where I was stopped: https://goo.gl/maps/nLVd8jpcguZNCQ2a8
Based on the setup, it seems pretty apparent that the checkpoint was designed to exist at that point. I've just never seen it happen. The lights were flashing red, cones setup to file traffic into the right lane, and the bollards on the right removed. There was about five to eight CBP agents.
As to their purpose: I don't quite get the idea. Being stopped without reasonable suspicion makes me uncomfortable. My girlfriend was particularly thrown by the experience as they went through her whole bag, handling her underwear, bras, etc. I just don't know what anyone going into Canada is doing to deserve being checked to that degree.
So, that exit check I mentioned was a first for me. I have gone through the WA-BC border more times that I could possibly count, and I have never encountered them.
This is where I was stopped: https://goo.gl/maps/nLVd8jpcguZNCQ2a8
Based on the setup, it seems pretty apparent that the checkpoint was designed to exist at that point. I've just never seen it happen. The lights were flashing red, cones setup to file traffic into the right lane, and the bollards on the right removed. There was about five to eight CBP agents.
As to their purpose: I don't quite get the idea. Being stopped without reasonable suspicion makes me uncomfortable. My girlfriend was particularly thrown by the experience as they went through her whole bag, handling her underwear, bras, etc. I just don't know what anyone going into Canada is doing to deserve being checked to that degree.
The border's the one place where Fourth Amendment protections don't apply.
Canada having been shut down for more than a year and a half has drastically increased drug prices. There's a lot of money to be made if you can get cocaine north of the border. That's almost certainly what the checks are about.
Canada having been shut down for more than a year and a half has drastically increased drug prices. There's a lot of money to be made if you can get cocaine north of the border. That's almost certainly what the checks are about.
As to their purpose: I don't quite get the idea. Being stopped without reasonable suspicion makes me uncomfortable. My girlfriend was particularly thrown by the experience as they went through her whole bag, handling her underwear, bras, etc. I just don't know what anyone going into Canada is doing to deserve being checked to that degree.
Canada having been shut down for more than a year and a half has drastically increased drug prices. There's a lot of money to be made if you can get cocaine north of the border. That's almost certainly what the checks are about.
That doesn't explain, or justify, the expenditure of US resources on the exit search. Canada can do its own searches upon entry, with more focus on firearms, and cheap U.S. tobacco and booze, than it can expect from U.S. border agents. If the US search means there will be no vehicle search on the Canadian side of the border, that would be nice, but I doubt that will ever happen.
I hope that by the time I travel to Canada, there will be enough returning U.S. citizens to keep CBP border agents busy, so they won't have any agents free for exit searches.
I would never want to deal with such a thing. I can't stand people going through my stuff and potentially breaking things (not to mention disrupting how everything is organized and scratching the paint on the car by leaving keys on the roof!). I highly doubt they're being even remotely careful, certainly not by my standards. Plus who needs everyone around them to see their luggage? If someone needs to take certain medical items with them, that's a huge breach of privacy and arguably a HIPPA violation.
Stuff like this makes me never want to cross the border ever again. CBP needs to be abolished NOW.
So, that exit check I mentioned was a first for me. I have gone through the WA-BC border more times that I could possibly count, and I have never encountered them.
This is where I was stopped: https://goo.gl/maps/nLVd8jpcguZNCQ2a8
Based on the setup, it seems pretty apparent that the checkpoint was designed to exist at that point. I've just never seen it happen. The lights were flashing red, cones setup to file traffic into the right lane, and the bollards on the right removed. There was about five to eight CBP agents.
As to their purpose: I don't quite get the idea. Being stopped without reasonable suspicion makes me uncomfortable. My girlfriend was particularly thrown by the experience as they went through her whole bag, handling her underwear, bras, etc. I just don't know what anyone going into Canada is doing to deserve being checked to that degree.
The border's the one place where Fourth Amendment protections don't apply.
Canada having been shut down for more than a year and a half has drastically increased drug prices. There's a lot of money to be made if you can get cocaine north of the border. That's almost certainly what the checks are about.
And it should be Canada's problem if they want to stop them.
At the Mexican border, my assumption is that CBP is checking for arms smugglers, as the USA and Mexico are in cooperation against the cartels.
Likewise, I've encountered military checkpoints heading north in Mexico about 40-50 miles before the US border once or twice—at which, on one occasion, the second vehicle in our convoy was flagged over, everyone had to exit the vehicle, and the soldiers looked through their luggage on the side of the highway. The vehicle was a nice big black SUV covered in dirt, so I think it raised a red flag. I'm sure they were checking for drugs—which you could argue should be the USA's problem, except that, again, the USA and Mexico are in cooperation on that.
I don't know exactly what's going on with CBP at the northern border right now, but "not my problem" isn't necessarily the best approach to fighting smugglers. I'm sure the USA has an official vested interest in stopping certain things from leaving the country.
I mean that's it, the contraband crossing the border is of concern to the destination country, but the people distributing/producing/processing/etc [and transporting] it are the origin country's problem.
Also, I have had CBSA check on the way out. And for what it's worth, have had exit checks in Europe whenever I've flown out of there too.
Let me add my own recent experience to this thread.
Into Canada: "Please give us your passport, proof of vaccination, and proof of recent negative test." After review: "How long will you be here?" After my answer and some processing, he handed everything back. It was 4 minutes total.
Into USA: "Are you the registered owner of this vehicle?" Yes... "Did you bring anything back with you?" "How long were you in Canada?" And then I was on my way. It was 3 minutes total.
I have never had a combined experience easier than that, or with fewer questions on either side, let alone both sides.
Let me add my own recent experience to this thread.
Into Canada: "Please give us your passport, proof of vaccination, and proof of recent negative test." After review: "How long will you be here?" After my answer and some processing, he handed everything back. It was 4 minutes total.
Into USA: "Are you the registered owner of this vehicle?" Yes... "Did you bring anything back with you?" "How long were you in Canada?" And then I was on my way. It was 3 minutes total.
I have never had a combined experience easier than that, or with fewer questions on either side, let alone both sides.
That's awesome that you got through so easily. It sounds like the pre-9/11 experience.
My guess is Canada was so preoccupied with COVID, and so bereft of tourism, that they just wanted to make sure that was in order and nothing more. And since the USA isn't open to Canadians yet, they would let American citizens back in fairly easily. Just guesses. They probably expected a slight surge in tourism so close to the border reopening and so my appearance wasn't a surprise, even though the return was not a major crossing.Let me add my own recent experience to this thread.
Into Canada: "Please give us your passport, proof of vaccination, and proof of recent negative test." After review: "How long will you be here?" After my answer and some processing, he handed everything back. It was 4 minutes total.
Into USA: "Are you the registered owner of this vehicle?" Yes... "Did you bring anything back with you?" "How long were you in Canada?" And then I was on my way. It was 3 minutes total.
I have never had a combined experience easier than that, or with fewer questions on either side, let alone both sides.
That's awesome that you got through so easily. It sounds like the pre-9/11 experience.
Let me add my own recent experience to this thread.
Into Canada: "Please give us your passport, proof of vaccination, and proof of recent negative test." After review: "How long will you be here?" After my answer and some processing, he handed everything back. It was 4 minutes total.
Into USA: "Are you the registered owner of this vehicle?" Yes... "Did you bring anything back with you?" "How long were you in Canada?" And then I was on my way. It was 3 minutes total.
I have never had a combined experience easier than that, or with fewer questions on either side, let alone both sides.
That's awesome that you got through so easily. It sounds like the pre-9/11 experience.
It doesn't surprise me that Canada was first, 7/8... The USA is not a good neighbor sometimes. Canada needs the money from American visitors more than the USA needs the money from Canadian visitors.Chuck Schumer was very vocal about border opening for the sake of northern NY communities. Once Canada allowed access, he's not heard any more - so I assume US needed outgoing flow more than anything else.
It doesn't surprise me that Canada was first, 7/8... The USA is not a good neighbor sometimes. Canada needs the money from American visitors more than the USA needs the money from Canadian visitors.
Brian Higgins still cares:It doesn't surprise me that Canada was first, 7/8... The USA is not a good neighbor sometimes. Canada needs the money from American visitors more than the USA needs the money from Canadian visitors.Chuck Schumer was very vocal about border opening for the sake of northern NY communities. Once Canada allowed access, he's not heard any more - so I assume US needed outgoing flow more than anything else.
?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EtweetThe failure to make opening the U.S. - Canada border the priority that it should be is a huge mistake. It is beyond disappointing; it is hurtful both at a human and economic level. @LetUsReunite
— Brian Higgins (@RepBrianHiggins) August 20, 2021
Full Statement: pic.twitter.com/rHAR6hbHzi
and the saga continues:Americans are such jerks.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/09/20/us-land-border-restrictions-extended-through-oct-21-canada-mexico/8372075002/
It just doesn't make any sense. Closing borders when Covid was isolated to certain areas was one thing. It's everywhere now and the only way you'll have major impacts (probabilistically) is to be unvaccinated. Australia did a great job for so long isolating itself, but as soon as some got in, since they didn't get an early vaccine rollout, now they have some problems. There's already Covid (and Delta specifically) in the U.S and likewise Canada. Keeping the border closed is kind of ridiculous and doesn't follow the science at all.Putting myself at risk of being nicked for politics, I suspect this may have something to do with it:
Chris
I don't see how one is related to the other. Letting vaccinated, documented Canadians in is a small task compared with undocumented people entering illegally.It just doesn't make any sense. Closing borders when Covid was isolated to certain areas was one thing. It's everywhere now and the only way you'll have major impacts (probabilistically) is to be unvaccinated. Australia did a great job for so long isolating itself, but as soon as some got in, since they didn't get an early vaccine rollout, now they have some problems. There's already Covid (and Delta specifically) in the U.S and likewise Canada. Keeping the border closed is kind of ridiculous and doesn't follow the science at all.Putting myself at risk of being nicked for politics, I suspect this may have something to do with it:
Chris
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/20/us-begins-deportation-flights-haitians-texas-border-town
Using covid-related emergency order would be problematic with open borders.
I don't see how one is related to the other. Letting vaccinated, documented Canadians in is a small task compared with undocumented people entering illegally.It just doesn't make any sense. Closing borders when Covid was isolated to certain areas was one thing. It's everywhere now and the only way you'll have major impacts (probabilistically) is to be unvaccinated. Australia did a great job for so long isolating itself, but as soon as some got in, since they didn't get an early vaccine rollout, now they have some problems. There's already Covid (and Delta specifically) in the U.S and likewise Canada. Keeping the border closed is kind of ridiculous and doesn't follow the science at all.Putting myself at risk of being nicked for politics, I suspect this may have something to do with it:
Chris
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/20/us-begins-deportation-flights-haitians-texas-border-town
Using covid-related emergency order would be problematic with open borders.
Those expedite deportations are done under emergency health order, assuming other side of the border has all the infection in the world waiting to cross. Once you allow general public to cross the border, it becomes much harder to justify emergency against some gorups but not othersI don't see how one is related to the other. Letting vaccinated, documented Canadians in is a small task compared with undocumented people entering illegally.It just doesn't make any sense. Closing borders when Covid was isolated to certain areas was one thing. It's everywhere now and the only way you'll have major impacts (probabilistically) is to be unvaccinated. Australia did a great job for so long isolating itself, but as soon as some got in, since they didn't get an early vaccine rollout, now they have some problems. There's already Covid (and Delta specifically) in the U.S and likewise Canada. Keeping the border closed is kind of ridiculous and doesn't follow the science at all.Putting myself at risk of being nicked for politics, I suspect this may have something to do with it:
Chris
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/20/us-begins-deportation-flights-haitians-texas-border-town
Using covid-related emergency order would be problematic with open borders.
Agreed. I'd call this one apples and oranges. A vaccinated Canadian is of far less risk travelling around in the U.S. than an unvaccinated American.
Chris
It just doesn't make any sense. Closing borders when Covid was isolated to certain areas was one thing. It's everywhere now and the only way you'll have major impacts (probabilistically) is to be unvaccinated. Australia did a great job for so long isolating itself, but as soon as some got in, since they didn't get an early vaccine rollout, now they have some problems. There's already Covid (and Delta specifically) in the U.S and likewise Canada. Keeping the border closed is kind of ridiculous and doesn't follow the science at all.
Chris
That's too bad the land border didn't open. I'm not surprised, but it is annoying, I had hoped to drive south while the weather was still decent.
It just doesn't make any sense. Closing borders when Covid was isolated to certain areas was one thing. It's everywhere now and the only way you'll have major impacts (probabilistically) is to be unvaccinated. Australia did a great job for so long isolating itself, but as soon as some got in, since they didn't get an early vaccine rollout, now they have some problems. There's already Covid (and Delta specifically) in the U.S and likewise Canada. Keeping the border closed is kind of ridiculous and doesn't follow the science at all.
Chris
Science has never had anything to do with the measures implemented as a response to COVID. It's been all knee-jerk all the time.
I don't see how one is related to the other. Letting vaccinated, documented Canadians in is a small task compared with undocumented people entering illegally.It just doesn't make any sense. Closing borders when Covid was isolated to certain areas was one thing. It's everywhere now and the only way you'll have major impacts (probabilistically) is to be unvaccinated. Australia did a great job for so long isolating itself, but as soon as some got in, since they didn't get an early vaccine rollout, now they have some problems. There's already Covid (and Delta specifically) in the U.S and likewise Canada. Keeping the border closed is kind of ridiculous and doesn't follow the science at all.Putting myself at risk of being nicked for politics, I suspect this may have something to do with it:
Chris
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/20/us-begins-deportation-flights-haitians-texas-border-town
Using covid-related emergency order would be problematic with open borders.
Right. The idiocracy continues.I don't see how one is related to the other. Letting vaccinated, documented Canadians in is a small task compared with undocumented people entering illegally.It just doesn't make any sense. Closing borders when Covid was isolated to certain areas was one thing. It's everywhere now and the only way you'll have major impacts (probabilistically) is to be unvaccinated. Australia did a great job for so long isolating itself, but as soon as some got in, since they didn't get an early vaccine rollout, now they have some problems. There's already Covid (and Delta specifically) in the U.S and likewise Canada. Keeping the border closed is kind of ridiculous and doesn't follow the science at all.Putting myself at risk of being nicked for politics, I suspect this may have something to do with it:
Chris
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/20/us-begins-deportation-flights-haitians-texas-border-town
Using covid-related emergency order would be problematic with open borders.
Optics. The southern border is incredibly politicized. Keeping that one closed (while there's a ton of attention on it), while opening the northern border, opens the current administration to accusations of racist policy.
Not saying it's right or it makes sense, just that it's the environment we're in.
I entered Canada and Wednesday and got the full experience: 30 minutes of questioning, watching my car get torn apart for drugs (none found, of course), and then handed a COVID self-test kit because I was one of the unlucky travelers who would need to take an extra test. It took forever to find a FedEx in suburban Vancouver that would take the test for shipping, since it was a biohazard.
No, we're trying to protect Canadians from our COVID-infested masses.and the saga continues:Americans are such jerks.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/09/20/us-land-border-restrictions-extended-through-oct-21-canada-mexico/8372075002/
I entered Canada and Wednesday and got the full experience: 30 minutes of questioning, watching my car get torn apart for drugs (none found, of course), and then handed a COVID self-test kit because I was one of the unlucky travelers who would need to take an extra test. It took forever to find a FedEx in suburban Vancouver that would take the test for shipping, since it was a biohazard.
You're supposed to go through Purolator.
Well-played.No, we're trying to protect Canadians from our COVID-infested masses.and the saga continues:Americans are such jerks.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/09/20/us-land-border-restrictions-extended-through-oct-21-canada-mexico/8372075002/
For now it sounds like you will need a test to return to Canada, though.
People weren't too impressed with the lack of any application on the part of the US government. One host straight-up said, "the BC app is a lot better" (to which I assume he means way clearer than my complete lack of an app.)
People weren't too impressed with the lack of any application on the part of the US government. One host straight-up said, "the BC app is a lot better" (to which I assume he means way clearer than my complete lack of an app.)
You could've told them that only a few U.S. states have "vaccine passport" apps -- about as many states that forbid them. (No national app on either side of the border -- it's up to the provinces in Canada, and the states in the U.S.)
One of the provinces I visited earlier this month, Quebec, has rolled out a vaccine passport app (the other, Ontario, was still working on it when I was there). However, the Quebec app is available only to Quebec residents, maybe it's tied to a provincial database with vax information. Non-residents can just present paper proof of vaccination, along with proof of non-residency. I don't know if Quebec makes similar accommodations for residents without smartphones.
An idea behind those apps that encrypted QR code doesn't require database access to be shared, only encryption key should be confirmed. In principle, all such keys could be shared between jurisdictions without too much concern, and apps could be cross-recognized. I believe Europe is actually doing that. Someone may try scanning NY app in QC and see what happensPeople weren't too impressed with the lack of any application on the part of the US government. One host straight-up said, "the BC app is a lot better" (to which I assume he means way clearer than my complete lack of an app.)
You could've told them that only a few U.S. states have "vaccine passport" apps -- about as many states that forbid them. (No national app on either side of the border -- it's up to the provinces in Canada, and the states in the U.S.)
One of the provinces I visited earlier this month, Quebec, has rolled out a vaccine passport app (the other, Ontario, was still working on it when I was there). However, the Quebec app is available only to Quebec residents, maybe it's tied to a provincial database with vax information. Non-residents can just present paper proof of vaccination, along with proof of non-residency. I don't know if Quebec makes similar accommodations for residents without smartphones.
Similar story for PEI. Only PEI residents can use their app so I just had to show my card everywhere I went.
Chris
An idea behind those apps that encrypted QR code doesn't require database access to be shared, only encryption key should be confirmed. In principle, all such keys could be shared between jurisdictions without too much concern, and apps could be cross-recognized. I believe Europe is actually doing that. Someone may try scanning NY app in QC and see what happensPeople weren't too impressed with the lack of any application on the part of the US government. One host straight-up said, "the BC app is a lot better" (to which I assume he means way clearer than my complete lack of an app.)
You could've told them that only a few U.S. states have "vaccine passport" apps -- about as many states that forbid them. (No national app on either side of the border -- it's up to the provinces in Canada, and the states in the U.S.)
One of the provinces I visited earlier this month, Quebec, has rolled out a vaccine passport app (the other, Ontario, was still working on it when I was there). However, the Quebec app is available only to Quebec residents, maybe it's tied to a provincial database with vax information. Non-residents can just present paper proof of vaccination, along with proof of non-residency. I don't know if Quebec makes similar accommodations for residents without smartphones.
Similar story for PEI. Only PEI residents can use their app so I just had to show my card everywhere I went.
Chris
There is no need for the network to be involved.An idea behind those apps that encrypted QR code doesn't require database access to be shared, only encryption key should be confirmed. In principle, all such keys could be shared between jurisdictions without too much concern, and apps could be cross-recognized. I believe Europe is actually doing that. Someone may try scanning NY app in QC and see what happensPeople weren't too impressed with the lack of any application on the part of the US government. One host straight-up said, "the BC app is a lot better" (to which I assume he means way clearer than my complete lack of an app.)
You could've told them that only a few U.S. states have "vaccine passport" apps -- about as many states that forbid them. (No national app on either side of the border -- it's up to the provinces in Canada, and the states in the U.S.)
One of the provinces I visited earlier this month, Quebec, has rolled out a vaccine passport app (the other, Ontario, was still working on it when I was there). However, the Quebec app is available only to Quebec residents, maybe it's tied to a provincial database with vax information. Non-residents can just present paper proof of vaccination, along with proof of non-residency. I don't know if Quebec makes similar accommodations for residents without smartphones.
Similar story for PEI. Only PEI residents can use their app so I just had to show my card everywhere I went.
Chris
Right, and computer networks never fail.
Plus even the states that have electronic systems are using the app as a convenience for people who don't want to bring their card everywhere - not as a required replacement for the card.People weren't too impressed with the lack of any application on the part of the US government. One host straight-up said, "the BC app is a lot better" (to which I assume he means way clearer than my complete lack of an app.)
You could've told them that only a few U.S. states have "vaccine passport" apps -- about as many states that forbid them. (No national app on either side of the border -- it's up to the provinces in Canada, and the states in the U.S.)
One of the provinces I visited earlier this month, Quebec, has rolled out a vaccine passport app (the other, Ontario, was still working on it when I was there). However, the Quebec app is available only to Quebec residents, maybe it's tied to a provincial database with vax information. Non-residents can just present paper proof of vaccination, along with proof of non-residency. I don't know if Quebec makes similar accommodations for residents without smartphones.
Did you ever had to show the app?Plus even the states that have electronic systems are using the app as a convenience for people who don't want to bring their card everywhere - not as a required replacement for the card.People weren't too impressed with the lack of any application on the part of the US government. One host straight-up said, "the BC app is a lot better" (to which I assume he means way clearer than my complete lack of an app.)
You could've told them that only a few U.S. states have "vaccine passport" apps -- about as many states that forbid them. (No national app on either side of the border -- it's up to the provinces in Canada, and the states in the U.S.)
One of the provinces I visited earlier this month, Quebec, has rolled out a vaccine passport app (the other, Ontario, was still working on it when I was there). However, the Quebec app is available only to Quebec residents, maybe it's tied to a provincial database with vax information. Non-residents can just present paper proof of vaccination, along with proof of non-residency. I don't know if Quebec makes similar accommodations for residents without smartphones.
A stupid question for those who was in Canada for a short trip:
Can you use same test to cross the border both ways if you're in Canada for a day or so and return to US within 72 hours of testing?
A stupid question for those who was in Canada for a short trip:
Can you use same test to cross the border both ways if you're in Canada for a day or so and return to US within 72 hours of testing?
No test is required to enter the U.S.
Chris
A stupid question for those who was in Canada for a short trip:
Can you use same test to cross the border both ways if you're in Canada for a day or so and return to US within 72 hours of testing?
No test is required to enter the U.S.
Chris
Last I checked, it's required to enter by air - but it isn't by land. Not sure if you can use the same test both ways if you're flying.
Actually you assumed correctly, I am thinking about a drive to Montreal. Thanks for response.A stupid question for those who was in Canada for a short trip:
Can you use same test to cross the border both ways if you're in Canada for a day or so and return to US within 72 hours of testing?
No test is required to enter the U.S.
Chris
Last I checked, it's required to enter by air - but it isn't by land. Not sure if you can use the same test both ways if you're flying.
You're right. I was thinking "short trip" and the fact we're on a roads forum meant driving across. I shouldn't assume.
Chris
Apparently I'd need a covid test to get back into Canada even after the border reopens... That kinda sucks because a travel covid test costs about $150 so it's kind of not worth it.
Apparently I'd need a covid test to get back into Canada even after the border reopens... That kinda sucks because a travel covid test costs about $150 so it's kind of not worth it.
Until things are (hopefully) normal again, I don't see myself visiting Canada anytime soon. It basically seems as if you can go if you really want to, but that they make it difficult enough that you sort of know you aren't really welcome there, and to where it's just not worth it.
Mexico is as easy as ever to get into by land from what I've heard. Of course you have to wear a mask depending on where you are at, but that's not a big deal. I am hoping to make it south of the border later this winter.
Considering how easy it is to get a free covid test at a pharmacy in the US, I wouldn't really worry to much about visiting Canada.Getting the test is easy. Getting the results back in time for their 72-hour window does cause some nail-biting.
I suspect that Canada is going to relax its testing requirements for vaccinated travelers in the coming weeks as well.
Considering how easy it is to get a free covid test at a pharmacy in the US, I wouldn't really worry to much about visiting Canada.Getting the test is easy. Getting the results back in time for their 72-hour window does cause some nail-biting.
I suspect that Canada is going to relax its testing requirements for vaccinated travelers in the coming weeks as well.
Ah, I see. That wasn't the case a couple of months ago when they only took PCRs.Considering how easy it is to get a free covid test at a pharmacy in the US, I wouldn't really worry to much about visiting Canada.Getting the test is easy. Getting the results back in time for their 72-hour window does cause some nail-biting.
I suspect that Canada is going to relax its testing requirements for vaccinated travelers in the coming weeks as well.
Canada accepts NAAT tests, so you can order a rapid test from Walgreens and get the results back in about two hours. Or at least that was my experience earlier today.
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/flying-canada-checklist/covid-19-testing-travellers-coming-into-canada
Yeah, I can get a test done prior to going to Canada, and try to time it right. So far, no issue. But getting one while in Canada to get back in seems like a pain in the ass.
Speaking of which: I'm not required to get a COVID test to return to the US, right?
Yeah, I can get a test done prior to going to Canada, and try to time it right. So far, no issue. But getting one while in Canada to get back in seems like a pain in the ass.
Speaking of which: I'm not required to get a COVID test to return to the US, right?
Right, if you're a U.S. citizen returning at a land crossing. I did that last month at International Falls MN, not a peep about any Covid requirements.
Considering how easy it is to get a free covid test at a pharmacy in the US, I wouldn't really worry to much about visiting Canada.Getting the test is easy. Getting the results back in time for their 72-hour window does cause some nail-biting.
I suspect that Canada is going to relax its testing requirements for vaccinated travelers in the coming weeks as well.
Not to mention worrying about the test randomly coming back positive, and then needing to not only cancel your trip at the last minute but contend domestically with all the other drama testing positive entails.
It is for this reason that I'm not interested in leaving the country until the testing requirement goes away. Not taking that risk.
Plus it apparently costs $100. So it involves spending a decent amount of money while you're praying that the results come back in time and potentially testing positive, which would not only cancel the trip but blow up your life as well. That certainly does not sound appealing. I'm not planning to cross either until things normalize.Considering how easy it is to get a free covid test at a pharmacy in the US, I wouldn't really worry to much about visiting Canada.Getting the test is easy. Getting the results back in time for their 72-hour window does cause some nail-biting.
I suspect that Canada is going to relax its testing requirements for vaccinated travelers in the coming weeks as well.
Not to mention worrying about the test randomly coming back positive, and then needing to not only cancel your trip at the last minute but contend domestically with all the other drama testing positive entails.
It is for this reason that I'm not interested in leaving the country until the testing requirement goes away. Not taking that risk.
Insurance covered the cost for me -- 100%. Not sure if they're still free for the uninsured, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were.Plus it apparently costs $100. So it involves spending a decent amount of money while you're praying that the results come back in time and potentially testing positive, which would not only cancel the trip but blow up your life as well. That certainly does not sound appealing. I'm not planning to cross either until things normalize.Considering how easy it is to get a free covid test at a pharmacy in the US, I wouldn't really worry to much about visiting Canada.Getting the test is easy. Getting the results back in time for their 72-hour window does cause some nail-biting.
I suspect that Canada is going to relax its testing requirements for vaccinated travelers in the coming weeks as well.
Not to mention worrying about the test randomly coming back positive, and then needing to not only cancel your trip at the last minute but contend domestically with all the other drama testing positive entails.
It is for this reason that I'm not interested in leaving the country until the testing requirement goes away. Not taking that risk.
It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.I got my test in Albany 2 weeks ago. It came through Walgreens, system where I normally get my prescriptions. No hard-to-answer questions asked either at Walgreens or at the border. It is to be seen if I get any billing, though.
It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.I got my free test specifically to go to Canada.
It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
This sounds like this testing provider was charging a fee to expedite it. I.e. getting the test is free, guaranteeing you'll have results in time to go to Canada with them is not.
Given that a lot of places near the border have growing backlogs due to demand for Canada travel it makes sense that someone would start doing this.
There are different tests. Basic PCR is overnighted into central lab and turned around in about 24 hours after arrival. There was a chart I cannot find right now, showing dips to 9 hours and climbs to 40 hours.It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
This sounds like this testing provider was charging a fee to expedite it. I.e. getting the test is free, guaranteeing you'll have results in time to go to Canada with them is not.
Given that a lot of places near the border have growing backlogs due to demand for Canada travel it makes sense that someone would start doing this.
Makes me wonder if that's even possible. A lot of testing locations around here are clear that you may not receive your results in time.
ID NOW?Go to walgreens.com and try to schedule a test. Dark red shows sites with that option available.
I'm a Canadian, and I got a free test in the US. Twice.Commie Moocher from the North!
Testing is free for the uninsured.
It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
This sounds like this testing provider was charging a fee to expedite it. I.e. getting the test is free, guaranteeing you'll have results in time to go to Canada with them is not.
Some time before vaccine, testing rate and positivity rate became figures of merit. Since most healthy people are not willing to stick strange objects down the nose or throat without good reason, pushing healthy people into testing became the thing. We have to be tested periodically at work (weekly unvaccinated, biweekly vaccinated). Previously it was billed to insurance, I believe; now someone else pays and I even don't get any results. I am sure positive one will trigger something. It is cheap pooled test not good for travel though.It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
This sounds like this testing provider was charging a fee to expedite it. I.e. getting the test is free, guaranteeing you'll have results in time to go to Canada with them is not.
Medically necessary testing is generally available at no out-of-pocket expense to the person being tested. (They're usually still paying, through some combination of health insurance premiums or tax dollars.)
Testing for travel, however, is not medically necessary. It's supposed to be paid for by the traveler, but it seems like many places aren't currently bothering to make that distinction (or they realize that a high percentage of travelers will just lie to get the "free" test).
*citation needed*It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
This sounds like this testing provider was charging a fee to expedite it. I.e. getting the test is free, guaranteeing you'll have results in time to go to Canada with them is not.
Medically necessary testing is generally available at no out-of-pocket expense to the person being tested. (They're usually still paying, through some combination of health insurance premiums or tax dollars.)
Testing for travel, however, is not medically necessary. It's supposed to be paid for by the traveler, but it seems like many places aren't currently bothering to make that distinction (or they realize that a high percentage of travelers will just lie to get the "free" test).
https://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/medically-necessary-gray-area-complicates-covid-test-coverage/article_bd0b31a8-72ec-5759-9198-e67624223d04.html*citation needed*It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
This sounds like this testing provider was charging a fee to expedite it. I.e. getting the test is free, guaranteeing you'll have results in time to go to Canada with them is not.
Medically necessary testing is generally available at no out-of-pocket expense to the person being tested. (They're usually still paying, through some combination of health insurance premiums or tax dollars.)
Testing for travel, however, is not medically necessary. It's supposed to be paid for by the traveler, but it seems like many places aren't currently bothering to make that distinction (or they realize that a high percentage of travelers will just lie to get the "free" test).
*citation still needed*https://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/medically-necessary-gray-area-complicates-covid-test-coverage/article_bd0b31a8-72ec-5759-9198-e67624223d04.html*citation needed*It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
This sounds like this testing provider was charging a fee to expedite it. I.e. getting the test is free, guaranteeing you'll have results in time to go to Canada with them is not.
Medically necessary testing is generally available at no out-of-pocket expense to the person being tested. (They're usually still paying, through some combination of health insurance premiums or tax dollars.)
Testing for travel, however, is not medically necessary. It's supposed to be paid for by the traveler, but it seems like many places aren't currently bothering to make that distinction (or they realize that a high percentage of travelers will just lie to get the "free" test).
Testing for travel, however, is not medically necessary. It's supposed to be paid for by the traveler, but it seems like many places aren't currently bothering to make that distinction (or they realize that a high percentage of travelers will just lie to get the "free" test).*citation needed*
I would say that article shows policy and regulations inconsistency. You may argue whatever you want - but what if you get a bill in the mail? And what if it goes to collectors?*citation still needed*https://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/medically-necessary-gray-area-complicates-covid-test-coverage/article_bd0b31a8-72ec-5759-9198-e67624223d04.html*citation needed*It might vary by state, testing site, and insurance. Now, what I've heard was third-hand, but the person was saying that the charge was specifically because the test was for travel to Canada. Presumably tests for other reasons were still free.
This sounds like this testing provider was charging a fee to expedite it. I.e. getting the test is free, guaranteeing you'll have results in time to go to Canada with them is not.
Medically necessary testing is generally available at no out-of-pocket expense to the person being tested. (They're usually still paying, through some combination of health insurance premiums or tax dollars.)
Testing for travel, however, is not medically necessary. It's supposed to be paid for by the traveler, but it seems like many places aren't currently bothering to make that distinction (or they realize that a high percentage of travelers will just lie to get the "free" test).
That article shows that there is confusion in NH, which one provider is taking advantage of. As the article goes on to explain, pretty much every test should be considered "medically necessary"...as they evidently are in nearby NY...
That article shows that there is confusion in NH, which one provider is taking advantage of. As the article goes on to explain, pretty much every test should be considered "medically necessary"...as they evidently are in nearby NY...
I thought covid expenses are reimbursed to insurers by federal government?That article shows that there is confusion in NH, which one provider is taking advantage of. As the article goes on to explain, pretty much every test should be considered "medically necessary"...as they evidently are in nearby NY...
Technically the article is pointing out that as a matter of public policy the powers that be are pressuring providers to not enforce the medical necessity point when it comes to paying for testing.
However, this will probably change, as we continue to shift from "global public health emergency" to "living with an endemic disease".
Testing for travel is not medically necessary testing (with the exception of travel that is itself medically necessary). Medical insurance is not intended to cover business or recreational travel expenses.
I thought covid expenses are reimbursed to insurers by federal government?That article shows that there is confusion in NH, which one provider is taking advantage of. As the article goes on to explain, pretty much every test should be considered "medically necessary"...as they evidently are in nearby NY...
Technically the article is pointing out that as a matter of public policy the powers that be are pressuring providers to not enforce the medical necessity point when it comes to paying for testing.
However, this will probably change, as we continue to shift from "global public health emergency" to "living with an endemic disease".
Testing for travel is not medically necessary testing (with the exception of travel that is itself medically necessary). Medical insurance is not intended to cover business or recreational travel expenses.
- Saw a Quebec plate "in the wild" on my way home from work tonight.
I might actually visit the Great White North next week to inject a lot of money into the Niagara Peninsula's economy. I get tested weekly through work, so I should have a PCR test dated ~48 hours before crossing.
My biggest question is how much they'll scrutinize my quarantine plan. As I'm daytripping from Buffalo, I won't have a Canadian address to put down. Will they be okay with me saying "return to Buffalo" if I'm just entering for the day in a private vehicle? Everything else will be in check, but that quarantine plan gives me anxiety.
I might actually visit the Great White North next week to inject a lot of money into the Niagara Peninsula's economy. I get tested weekly through work, so I should have a PCR test dated ~48 hours before crossing.I've put "quarantine at home" and my US address. Since I planed only a day trip (well, 29 hours was it), I assumed I would just turn around in case of any issues.
My biggest question is how much they'll scrutinize my quarantine plan. As I'm daytripping from Buffalo, I won't have a Canadian address to put down. Will they be okay with me saying "return to Buffalo" if I'm just entering for the day in a private vehicle? Everything else will be in check, but that quarantine plan gives me anxiety.
I might actually visit the Great White North next week to inject a lot of money into the Niagara Peninsula's economy. I get tested weekly through work, so I should have a PCR test dated ~48 hours before crossing.
My biggest question is how much they'll scrutinize my quarantine plan. As I'm daytripping from Buffalo, I won't have a Canadian address to put down. Will they be okay with me saying "return to Buffalo" if I'm just entering for the day in a private vehicle? Everything else will be in check, but that quarantine plan gives me anxiety.
Just literally pick a hotel. When I went on my trip, I wasn't planning on spending more than one night anywhere. I just used the first hotel I stayed in as my quarantine plan.
But even if you're there for a day trip, you might be randomly selected to do a self-administered COVID test. Just make sure to find a FedEx-ready facility somewhere on your route.
And while the blanket quarantine requirements are gone for fully vaccinated travelers, a border officer can require one at their discretion. Between that and the PCR test (not rapid test) requirement, we're still not quite at the level where just hopping over for a daytrip is really practical, if such ever will be again. After 9/11, though the border thinned from the thickest it was immediately after the attacks, it never got even close to pre-9/11 conditions, and I fear such could happen again. Just as Americans feared terrorists transiting through the north (whether such is rational or not - let's please keep this thread open by keeping the politics out), Canadians now fear the virus could come from the south (same note as previous).
Politics aside, the arrogant attitude a lot of Canadians have towards American tourists in general (which has worsened since COVID) has really left a sour taste in my mouth. I’m sure lots of people from the northern border states will end up flocking back in droves but I can’t see myself visiting for a couple years. Lots of other countries were way more inviting than Canada pre-COVID (or at least I found myself more welcome) and I can think of a pretty lengthy list of places I rather go first.
People weren't too impressed with the lack of any application on the part of the US government. One host straight-up said, "the BC app is a lot better" (to which I assume he means way clearer than my complete lack of an app.)
You could've told them that only a few U.S. states have "vaccine passport" apps -- about as many states that forbid them. (No national app on either side of the border -- it's up to the provinces in Canada, and the states in the U.S.)
One of the provinces I visited earlier this month, Quebec, has rolled out a vaccine passport app (the other, Ontario, was still working on it when I was there). However, the Quebec app is available only to Quebec residents, maybe it's tied to a provincial database with vax information. Non-residents can just present paper proof of vaccination, along with proof of non-residency. I don't know if Quebec makes similar accommodations for residents without smartphones.
I might actually visit the Great White North next week to inject a lot of money into the Niagara Peninsula's economy. I get tested weekly through work, so I should have a PCR test dated ~48 hours before crossing.I've put "quarantine at home" and my US address. Since I planed only a day trip (well, 29 hours was it), I assumed I would just turn around in case of any issues.
My biggest question is how much they'll scrutinize my quarantine plan. As I'm daytripping from Buffalo, I won't have a Canadian address to put down. Will they be okay with me saying "return to Buffalo" if I'm just entering for the day in a private vehicle? Everything else will be in check, but that quarantine plan gives me anxiety.
CBSA officer was not wearing a mask, which surprised me.I'm not sure what Canada's guidance or CBSA's policy is like, but looking at Google Maps, I do not think Ontario would be rated as an area with "substantial" or "high" transmission under the CDC's system for the US. Canada's low COVID rates seem almost surreal given how much higher they are on this side of the border (3.6/100k for Ontario vs. 54.4 for Erie County).
CBSA officer was not wearing a mask, which surprised me.I'm not sure what Canada's guidance or CBSA's policy is like, but looking at Google Maps, I do not think Ontario would be rated as an area with "substantial" or "high" transmission under the CDC's system for the US. Canada's low COVID rates seem almost surreal given how much higher they are on this side of the border (3.6/100k for Ontario vs. 54.4 for Erie County).
Alright, trip report. I took a day trip to Ontario today from Buffalo. I have NEXUS, so my experience likely differs from most of yours, but it was surprisingly close to normal. Both of my crossings were at the Peace Bridge.
Entering Canada: very little traffic entering Canada at 9:30 AM, which was unsurprising. Decent amount of cars entering the US. 2 NEXUS lanes and 1 general purpose car lane were open entering Canada. GP lane had a few cars, NEXUS lanes were both empty. My card wouldn't scan at the reader before the booth, but that didn't cause any issues. Handed NEXUS card, CDC card, ArriveCAN receipt, and PCR test results from Monday over to the officer. Got the standard series of questions [where, any weapons], he confirmed that I was just staying for the day, got my paperwork back, and was through in less than a minute. CBSA officer was not wearing a mask, which surprised me.
Entering the US: business as usual, except VMSes on the bridge entering the US said "masks required at booths" and CBP was wearing masks. 1 NEXUS lane and 2 general purpose car lanes entering the US. Trucks entering Canada were backed up onto I-190 with the reversible lane accommodating cars to Canada at about 3:15 PM.
Overall, the process was far easier than I expected. Basically make sure all of your paperwork is in order, submit a reasonable place you could quarantine in Canada even if just taking a day trip, and it'll be a breeze.
Apparently the Canadians are confused about the requirements. ArriveCAN is required for all trips no matter the length.
https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2021/11/30/canada-us-border-arrivecan-app/
“I’m pretty pissed off because all they needed was some signs,” Leslie says.
“We were waiting a long time to get through the border line up. There was lots of time to [get the app] if we’d known we had to.”
I wouldn't have known about ArriveCAN if I hadn't looked at this forum...
Canada's back to requiring a negative PCR test for all returning Canadians, regardless of trip length:
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2021/12/17/canada-lifts-african-travel-bans-restores-covid-19-pre-arrival-tests-for-short-trips.html (https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2021/12/17/canada-lifts-african-travel-bans-restores-covid-19-pre-arrival-tests-for-short-trips.html)
^ The shorter incubation period for the Omicron variant is a likely reason why. There are documented cases of people catching (and testing positive for) the Omicron variant just a day or two after testing negative.Frankly speaking, since PCR is pretty much a "yes or no" test, any version would go from "yes" to "no" in a day, if a daily test taker would get infected.
Trivia: Based on what I observed today while waiting on a work permit to be processed, if you are driving into Canada and forget to do ArriveCan, the border guards are empowered to send you in to the CBSA facility to download the app and complete registration.
Trivia: Based on what I observed today while waiting on a work permit to be processed, if you are driving into Canada and forget to do ArriveCan, the border guards are empowered to send you in to the CBSA facility to download the app and complete registration.
So how does the process work for people without a smartphone?
Trivia: Based on what I observed today while waiting on a work permit to be processed, if you are driving into Canada and forget to do ArriveCan, the border guards are empowered to send you in to the CBSA facility to download the app and complete registration.
So how does the process work for people without a smartphone?
You can complete the process on the web too, and then print the relevant documents.
Trivia: Based on what I observed today while waiting on a work permit to be processed, if you are driving into Canada and forget to do ArriveCan, the border guards are empowered to send you in to the CBSA facility to download the app and complete registration.
So how does the process work for people without a smartphone?
You can complete the process on the web too, and then print the relevant documents.
I suspect that if you forget to do that and don't have a smartphone or a computer (the CBSA lobby advertised "free WiFi to access AriveCAN"), you're simply denied entry.
Although, as I’m sure kphoger would agree, people without smartphones tend to be a little better at preparing ahead of time since they’re acutely aware of their lack of connectivity when not near a computer. So hopefully those showing up to the border completely unprepared are 99% smartphone users and will be able to complete ArriveCan then and there. The tiny percent of non-smartphone, totally-unprepared users is likely minuscule.
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Are COVID tests currently required to enter Canada? The State Department website just says vaccination has to be current.no covid test requirement for land borders
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Even WashDOT uses VMS.
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Even WashDOT uses VMS.
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Even WashDOT uses VMS.
It wasn't the letter C.