New Jersey Turnpike

[Alps]

How feasible would it be to introduce variable pricing across the turnpike?

The have a very basic form of variable pricing.  EZ Pass off-peak for EZ Pass NJ account holders save roughly 20% or so.  Peak hours are 7-9am, 4-6pm and weekends.

The concept of more variable pricing was discussed in the past, but I think the Turnpike didn't want to push too much on the idea.

It would give accurate pricing signals that would guide expansion projects.

I don't know what you're talking about. They know the volumes. They know where things are congested.

[J Route Z]

Looking through the NJTA website, I noticed the exit 4-1 widening project is published in the capitol projects list:

https://www.njta.com/our-projects/new-jersey-turnpike

I wonder why they are waiting until 2025 to start construction.

[famartin]

Looking through the NJTA website, I noticed the exit 4-1 widening project is published in the capitol projects list:

https://www.njta.com/our-projects/new-jersey-turnpike

I wonder why they are waiting until 2025 to start construction.

A little surprised that this is the first I'm hearing about a replacement of the Newark Bay Bridge, but I guess its still at least 5 years before they start that work, so maybe not.

[Alps]

Looking through the NJTA website, I noticed the exit 4-1 widening project is published in the capitol projects list:

https://www.njta.com/our-projects/new-jersey-turnpike

I wonder why they are waiting until 2025 to start construction.

Projects need to be designed...

[storm2k]

Looking through the NJTA website, I noticed the exit 4-1 widening project is published in the capitol projects list:

https://www.njta.com/our-projects/new-jersey-turnpike

I wonder why they are waiting until 2025 to start construction.

A little surprised that this is the first I'm hearing about a replacement of the Newark Bay Bridge, but I guess its still at least 5 years before they start that work, so maybe not.

It's been in their long term plans for a while. They want to make the NBHCE 3 lanes each direction between the mainline and 14C, plus add an aux lane eastbound to allow traffic exiting at 14A to have a place to queue up without spilling onto the main road. The bridge will need to be replaced to make that a reality.

[famartin]

Looking through the NJTA website, I noticed the exit 4-1 widening project is published in the capitol projects list:

https://www.njta.com/our-projects/new-jersey-turnpike

I wonder why they are waiting until 2025 to start construction.

A little surprised that this is the first I'm hearing about a replacement of the Newark Bay Bridge, but I guess its still at least 5 years before they start that work, so maybe not.

It's been in their long term plans for a while. They want to make the NBHCE 3 lanes each direction between the mainline and 14C, plus add an aux lane eastbound to allow traffic exiting at 14A to have a place to queue up without spilling onto the main road. The bridge will need to be replaced to make that a reality.

Well, naturally. Though they could twin it if they thought it was more cost effective. I'm guessing not.

[storm2k]

Looking through the NJTA website, I noticed the exit 4-1 widening project is published in the capitol projects list:

https://www.njta.com/our-projects/new-jersey-turnpike

I wonder why they are waiting until 2025 to start construction.

A little surprised that this is the first I'm hearing about a replacement of the Newark Bay Bridge, but I guess its still at least 5 years before they start that work, so maybe not.

It's been in their long term plans for a while. They want to make the NBHCE 3 lanes each direction between the mainline and 14C, plus add an aux lane eastbound to allow traffic exiting at 14A to have a place to queue up without spilling onto the main road. The bridge will need to be replaced to make that a reality.

Well, naturally. Though they could twin it if they thought it was more cost effective. I'm guessing not.

I imagine that they decided that the cost to build a second bridge and then rehab the original was higher than just building a new bridge that handles both directions of traffic.

[jeffandnicole]

Looking through the NJTA website, I noticed the exit 4-1 widening project is published in the capitol projects list:

https://www.njta.com/our-projects/new-jersey-turnpike

I wonder why they are waiting until 2025 to start construction.

A little surprised that this is the first I'm hearing about a replacement of the Newark Bay Bridge, but I guess its still at least 5 years before they start that work, so maybe not.

It's been in their long term plans for a while. They want to make the NBHCE 3 lanes each direction between the mainline and 14C, plus add an aux lane eastbound to allow traffic exiting at 14A to have a place to queue up without spilling onto the main road. The bridge will need to be replaced to make that a reality.

Well, naturally. Though they could twin it if they thought it was more cost effective. I'm guessing not.

I imagine that they decided that the cost to build a second bridge and then rehab the original was higher than just building a new bridge that handles both directions of traffic.

Then again, recent past experience of rehabbing bridges in the region haven't worked out as cost-effectively as first thought.

[Alps]

Looking through the NJTA website, I noticed the exit 4-1 widening project is published in the capitol projects list:

https://www.njta.com/our-projects/new-jersey-turnpike

I wonder why they are waiting until 2025 to start construction.

A little surprised that this is the first I'm hearing about a replacement of the Newark Bay Bridge, but I guess its still at least 5 years before they start that work, so maybe not.

It's been in their long term plans for a while. They want to make the NBHCE 3 lanes each direction between the mainline and 14C, plus add an aux lane eastbound to allow traffic exiting at 14A to have a place to queue up without spilling onto the main road. The bridge will need to be replaced to make that a reality.

Well, naturally. Though they could twin it if they thought it was more cost effective. I'm guessing not.

I imagine that they decided that the cost to build a second bridge and then rehab the original was higher than just building a new bridge that handles both directions of traffic.

Or building 1 new and then replacing existing. I don't know if they've decided on the final structural design.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/xXA3nAaYpP8AnG2L9
I see New York is used here on I-78 west for I-95 and The Turnpike Mainline. Considering you just left New York it seems odd to use it coming from this direction.

[famartin]

https://goo.gl/maps/xXA3nAaYpP8AnG2L9
I see New York is used here on I-78 west FDOT I-95 and The Turnpike Mainline. Considering you just left New York it seems odd to use it coming from this direction.

It's also in contradiction to what is used on the mainline in this area, which is either GWB or nothing.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/xXA3nAaYpP8AnG2L9
I see New York is used here on I-78 west FDOT I-95 and The Turnpike Mainline. Considering you just left New York it seems odd to use it coming from this direction.

It's also in contradiction to what is used on the mainline in this area, which is either GWB or nothing.

Exactly.

[jeffandnicole]

https://goo.gl/maps/xXA3nAaYpP8AnG2L9
I see New York is used here on I-78 west for I-95 and The Turnpike Mainline. Considering you just left New York it seems odd to use it coming from this direction.

Not guaranteed.  There are several ramps - and intersections - one could have entered I-78 before this point without having been in NYC.

[SignBridge]

What would you guys have them sign the NJT northbound at this location? Maybe Teaneck or Fort Lee?

[NoGoodNamesAvailable]

What would you guys have them sign the NJT northbound at this location? Maybe Teaneck or Fort Lee?

Paterson

[SignBridge]

The Turnpike doesn't go to Paterson.

[Pete from Boston]

New York is fine. Everybody knows that it's an indicator of direction of the road that is easily recognizable. Don't overthink it.

[Rothman]

Egads, are we really discussing control cities again in this thread?

[famartin]

What would you guys have them sign the NJT northbound at this location? Maybe Teaneck or Fort Lee?

Fort Lee is used at 19W

[roadman65]

New York is fine but odd at this location is what I was implying. Not to debate control cities, though I can imagine it's awkward to find the ideal city north of that intersection. Eastbound it's blank to avoid confusion with I-78 going to New York, but a suggestion EB would be to use Midtown and sign Downtown for the Newark Bay Extension.

The MUTCD screwed up everything saying it's a mortal sin to use bridges and tunnels on guide Ignacio as control points.

[SignBridge]

On a different subject, does anyone know the current status of the Thomas Edison Service Area? (In Woodbridge, southbound at MP 92.9) Looking at the NJTA website, the list of service areas indicates that it's open, but the map doesn't even show a service area at that location, except for the one on the northbound side. Anyone know which is correct? I'm surprised at such an inconsistency on the Turnpike Authority's website.

[ran4sh]

The MUTCD screwed up everything saying it's a mortal sin to use bridges and tunnels on guide Ignacio as control points.

You're not the only person who believes this, but I wonder why this belief is so widespread. The MUTCD does not say that bridges and tunnels should/must not be used on guide signs.

[zachary_amaryllis]

One other thing to consider is that generally, you only see evidence of the suburbs where they were built before or shortly after the Turnpike was. Newer suburbs deliberately are built out of view for the most part,  since most people don't like to live near a superhighway.

I'd like to live next to a superhighway.

My friend, the housing market will be very kind to you.

TBH background noise doesn't really bother me.

same thing with me and train tracks. i've slept through all sorts of railroad noises when i was sleeping in my car in wyoming... didn't faze me in the least.

[thenetwork]

One other thing to consider is that generally, you only see evidence of the suburbs where they were built before or shortly after the Turnpike was. Newer suburbs deliberately are built out of view for the most part,  since most people don't like to live near a superhighway.

I'd like to live next to a superhighway.

My friend, the housing market will be very kind to you.

TBH background noise doesn't really bother me.

same thing with me and train tracks. i've slept through all sorts of railroad noises when i was sleeping in my car in wyoming... didn't faze me in the least.

I am in the flight path of our local airport and about ½ mile from a fairly busy cross state railroad.  Like you, I can sleep through the noise, but dreams about watching trains go by happens more times than not most nights.

[mrsman]

New York is fine but odd at this location is what I was implying. Not to debate control cities, though I can imagine it's awkward to find the ideal city north of that intersection. Eastbound it's blank to avoid confusion with I-78 going to New York, but a suggestion EB would be to use Midtown and sign Downtown for the Newark Bay Extension.

The MUTCD screwed up everything saying it's a mortal sin to use bridges and tunnels on guide Ignacio as control points.

Such is true, in the NYC area, the bridges make real sense as controls becasue they are landmarks in their own right and mark the points of division between different jurisdictions.  It is a city of islands and the bridges/tunnels are key connections.

That being said, from NJ, there are good substitutes for the bridges that can be used.

Staten Island in place of Outerbridge crossing, Goethals Bridge, or Bayonne Bridge
Lower Manhattan in place of Holland Tunnel
Midtown Manhattan in place of Lincoln Tunnel
Upper Manhattan in place of GWB

"New York" is not a good control to be used from exit 14 northward, from any vantage point.  Arguably, heading east on I-78 or staying north on I-95 can both get you to New York.  Using Lower Manhattan for i-78 east and Upper Manhttan for I-95 north helps to distinguish between the two locations.