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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1425 on: May 10, 2022, 09:49:57 AM »

When are they going to start demolishing the cash lane plazas systemwide?
Probably never, on the odd chance they reverse their decision not to have manned toll plazas.  Or they decide to install machines that take cash and credit/debit cards.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1426 on: May 10, 2022, 01:49:30 PM »

When are they going to start demolishing the cash lane plazas systemwide?
Probably never, on the odd chance they reverse their decision not to have manned toll plazas.  Or they decide to install machines that take cash and credit/debit cards.
They need to move to an EOE like setup with lot's of tolling points. To make the pricing more even.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1427 on: May 10, 2022, 02:59:23 PM »

They need to move to an EOE like setup with lot's of tolling points. To make the pricing more even.

The tolling on the legacy roads has become a hot mess as they add ramp tolls every time they improve one even when they don't fit the general tolling structure.

For instance, I-90 WB: Enter at I-290 or IL-59 and pay not toll to enter but enter at Roselle Rd. or Barrington Rd. (in between I-290 and IL-59) and pay $0.45 (I-Pass rate) to enter. Exit at IL-47 and pay $0.30 to exit but go another five miles to US 20 and pay nothing to exit. Combine that with unequal tolls between directions (I-290 and IL-59 have $0.30 EB exit tolls but as just mentioned above, no WB enterance tolls. And plenty more examples can be found.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1428 on: May 10, 2022, 07:39:15 PM »

You can ride free from IL 132 to IL-21 both ways ON I-294
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1429 on: May 10, 2022, 08:21:36 PM »

What they should do is restructure the points where you are influenced by the mainline tolls on the older tollways. For example, on I-88, Rt 59 is the current (and correct) division of influence.
I would do it as follows:

I-88 Reagan (E-W) Twy
York/Meyers I-290 to Rt 59
Aurora Rt 59 to Rt 47
DeKalb Rt 47 to I-39/US 51
Dixon I-39 to US 30

I-90 Jane Addams (NW) Twy
River/Devon I-190/Kennedy Expy to I-290/Rt 53
Elgin I-290/Rt 53 to Rt 47
Marengo/Belvidere Rt 47 to I-39/US 20/US 51
South Beloit I-39/US 20/US 51 to Rockton Rd
(Honestly, they should move the South Beloit Toll to south of Riverside Blvd. and make it Rockford or do a split direction like they did with Marengo/Belvidere with the plazas at the current South Beloit for Northwestbound and south of Riverside Blvd for Southeastbound)

I-94/I-294/I-80 Tri State Twy
163rd St I-94/Rt 394 to Rt 50 Cicero Ave/127th St
83rd/82nd Rt 50 Cicero Ave/127th St to I-55
Cermak I-55 to I-290
Irving Park/Touhy I-290 to Willow Rd
*NEW Half Day Willow Rd to Rt 132 Grand Ave (This would include the Edens Spur Plaza at Pfingsten Rd. I would put this just north of Rt 22 Half Day Rd)
Waukegan Rt 132 Grand Ave to US 41

I-355 Veterans Memorial (N-S) Twy
Spring Creek I-80 to I-55
Boughton I-55 to I-88
Army Trail I-88 to I-290 (the free section north of Army Trail remains free for now)
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1430 on: May 10, 2022, 08:38:57 PM »

Army Trail I-88 to I-290 (the free section north of Army Trail remains free for now)

The section of I-355 north of Army Trail Rd. is free because it's not and never has been part of the tollway. It was built by IDOT years before the I-355 tollway was built. It was originally part of IL-53 which then moved over to its current route at Army Trail Rd. When the I-355 tollway opened, IL-53 was moved back to its original route on Rohlwing Rd. from Biesterfield Rd. south.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1431 on: May 10, 2022, 09:03:46 PM »

Army Trail I-88 to I-290 (the free section north of Army Trail remains free for now)

The section of I-355 north of Army Trail Rd. is free because it's not and never has been part of the tollway. It was built by IDOT years before the I-355 tollway was built. It was originally part of IL-53 which then moved over to its current route at Army Trail Rd. When the I-355 tollway opened, IL-53 was moved back to its original route on Rohlwing Rd. from Biesterfield Rd. south.
I'm well aware of that. I remember the days when the 53 stub ended at Army Trail.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1432 on: May 11, 2022, 08:16:31 AM »

When are they going to start demolishing the cash lane plazas systemwide?
Probably never, on the odd chance they reverse their decision not to have manned toll plazas.  Or they decide to install machines that take cash and credit/debit cards.

I disagree. I think in the not-so-distant future, we will begin to see mainline cash plazas be removed.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1433 on: May 11, 2022, 08:58:16 AM »

Army Trail I-88 to I-290 (the free section north of Army Trail remains free for now)

The section of I-355 north of Army Trail Rd. is free because it's not and never has been part of the tollway. It was built by IDOT years before the I-355 tollway was built. It was originally part of IL-53 which then moved over to its current route at Army Trail Rd. When the I-355 tollway opened, IL-53 was moved back to its original route on Rohlwing Rd. from Biesterfield Rd. south.
I'm well aware of that. I remember the days when the 53 stub ended at Army Trail.

Sorry, but it wasn't clear you knew that since earlier you said the area of influence for the Army Trail toll should be I-88 to I-290 implying that you thought the section between Army Trail Rd. and I-290 was part of the Tollway.

Personally, I wish they would have put the I-Pass scanners on all entrances and exits so that a per mile toll could then be calculated based on where you entered and exited. Interestingly, quite a few years ago I was on an Oklahoma toll road (Cherokee Turnpike) that did that even though the cash tolls were handled on a traditional mainline toll with ramp tolls for those operating short of the mainline toll. There were scanners at all entrances and exits that were meaningless to cash payers (unless co-located with a ramp cash ttoll) and transponder holders bypassed the mainline toll.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1434 on: May 11, 2022, 09:47:36 AM »

One thing I've noticed though is some of their side toll plaza conversions are ruining the traffic flow. For example, the NB 294 Touhy Ave exit is now the far right lane (the feeder ramp from I-90 WB to I-294 NB). Instead of keeping it the two right lanes, its now only the far right which during rush hour has caused quite a few near misses and unnecessary backups because you're also dealing with people coming from WB I-90.

Another one is its only one lane now entering WB I-90 from both NB/SB 294. You have three lanes converging to one when the old setup was two lanes that then fed into the Lee St Toll Plaza for the far right lane and I-90 or the plaza in the second right lane. Haven't used it enough but muscle memory the last time had me driving on the newly painted shoulder instead of the far right lane like I used to for many years.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1435 on: May 11, 2022, 10:43:50 AM »

One thing I've noticed though is some of their side toll plaza conversions are ruining the traffic flow. For example, the NB 294 Touhy Ave exit is now the far right lane (the feeder ramp from I-90 WB to I-294 NB). Instead of keeping it the two right lanes, its now only the far right which during rush hour has caused quite a few near misses and unnecessary backups because you're also dealing with people coming from WB I-90.

Another one is its only one lane now entering WB I-90 from both NB/SB 294. You have three lanes converging to one when the old setup was two lanes that then fed into the Lee St Toll Plaza for the far right lane and I-90 or the plaza in the second right lane. Haven't used it enough but muscle memory the last time had me driving on the newly painted shoulder instead of the far right lane like I used to for many years.

The problem there is not the side toll plazas. The problem is bad highway design, basically building the new side plazas without taking into account the rest of the traffic flow.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1436 on: May 11, 2022, 11:56:44 AM »

One thing I've noticed though is some of their side toll plaza conversions are ruining the traffic flow. For example, the NB 294 Touhy Ave exit is now the far right lane (the feeder ramp from I-90 WB to I-294 NB). Instead of keeping it the two right lanes, its now only the far right which during rush hour has caused quite a few near misses and unnecessary backups because you're also dealing with people coming from WB I-90.

Another one is its only one lane now entering WB I-90 from both NB/SB 294. You have three lanes converging to one when the old setup was two lanes that then fed into the Lee St Toll Plaza for the far right lane and I-90 or the plaza in the second right lane. Haven't used it enough but muscle memory the last time had me driving on the newly painted shoulder instead of the far right lane like I used to for many years.

The problem there is not the side toll plazas. The problem is bad highway design, basically building the new side plazas without taking into account the rest of the traffic flow.
This particular issue is a result of the fact that they only left one lane open at each toll plaza.  Which probably works fine for, say, the Elgin toll plaza on I-90, but not so much at all of the toll plazas where everyone who is exiting at the next exit (I-294 south at Irving Park, I-294 north at Touhy, etc.).
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1437 on: May 11, 2022, 01:08:38 PM »

When are they going to start demolishing the cash lane plazas systemwide?
Probably never, on the odd chance they reverse their decision not to have manned toll plazas.  Or they decide to install machines that take cash and credit/debit cards.

I disagree. I think in the not-so-distant future, we will begin to see mainline cash plazas be removed.
I could see it happening by 2030.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1438 on: May 11, 2022, 06:17:03 PM »

One thing I've noticed though is some of their side toll plaza conversions are ruining the traffic flow. For example, the NB 294 Touhy Ave exit is now the far right lane (the feeder ramp from I-90 WB to I-294 NB). Instead of keeping it the two right lanes, its now only the far right which during rush hour has caused quite a few near misses and unnecessary backups because you're also dealing with people coming from WB I-90.

Another one is its only one lane now entering WB I-90 from both NB/SB 294. You have three lanes converging to one when the old setup was two lanes that then fed into the Lee St Toll Plaza for the far right lane and I-90 or the plaza in the second right lane. Haven't used it enough but muscle memory the last time had me driving on the newly painted shoulder instead of the far right lane like I used to for many years.

The problem there is not the side toll plazas. The problem is bad highway design, basically building the new side plazas without taking into account the rest of the traffic flow.

Bingo. The ramps merging from I-90 to I-294 northbound are horrendous, especially the loop ramp if you're coming from the eastbound lanes. Very slow, little room to merge, and then there's another merge ahead you have to contend with. This is further compounded by the toll plaza and high traffic volumes.

I would like to see if something could be done here someday. Rip out the cash lanes and create a C/D system to handle incoming I-90 traffic to I-294 north with the extra space perhaps...
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1439 on: May 11, 2022, 10:48:15 PM »

I disagree. I think in the not-so-distant future, we will begin to see mainline cash plazas be removed.

I don't think the mainline cash plazas will be removed unless there is a widening/reconstruction project that requires modifying the plazas or the plazas develop safety/structural issues that require them to be removed.

I don't think any of the cash plazas are being removed with the I-294 rebuild.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1440 on: May 11, 2022, 11:27:22 PM »

I disagree. I think in the not-so-distant future, we will begin to see mainline cash plazas be removed.

I don't think the mainline cash plazas will be removed unless there is a widening/reconstruction project that requires modifying the plazas or the plazas develop safety/structural issues that require them to be removed.

I don't think any of the cash plazas are being removed with the I-294 rebuild.

Why wouldn’t they remove them eventually if they aren’t going to use them? They won’t want to pay to maintain unused space forever.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1441 on: May 11, 2022, 11:41:37 PM »

Weigh Stations, perhaps?

Historically, the Cash booths also had (supposedly) scales built into the lanes for truck weighs. I assume the I-Pass/EZ-Pass Express lanes have Weigh-in-Motion technology

But non-equipped trucks are not getting weighed anymore, are they?

Other possibilities: Truck Parking. More 7-Elevens? Drive Thru only McDonalds or Starbucks? Salt Domes and/or Maintenance Vehicle/Equipment parking?
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1442 on: May 12, 2022, 12:08:56 AM »

some of them all Maintenance depots as well.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1443 on: June 12, 2022, 11:09:15 PM »

Some updated 294 things I saw this weekend (might be repeating a few things, apologies)

Northbound 294:
-Same split between 82nd Toll and the Mile Long remains, however the official 88th Ave ramp construction has begun with expansion beginning on the bridge. The WB Archer Ave to NB 294 ramp also looks to be almost ready to go.

-Another split between 75th and I-55, two left express, two right for an exit only lane. 3 lanes go from there to Hinsdale Oasis. New ramp beams for the I-55 to NB 294/Oasis are up and bridge work has begun. Plainfield Rd bridge work continues, the Oasis structure is gone minus the bridge structure over the highway.

-The new pedestrian bridge path work has begun, railroad bridge work continues but its looking almost completed. Ogden Ave work hasn't had much movement yet. Clearing work continues to expand the NB lanes between Ogden and I-88, including work on the 31st St bridge.

-No major changes at I-290/88. New bridge piers have gone up in recent weeks. NB 294 to WB 290 ramp work continues. St. Charles Rd bridge work continues.

-No noticeable changes between North Ave and Wolf Rd. Pier work continues for the 490 interchange, you can actually see steel beams in place on piers just north of the highway. NB lanes split (2 left, 2 right) at Wolf Rd. The left two lanes split again at the Bensenville bridge with one going contraflow.

Southbound 294:
-Inner lane reworks continue between O'Hare and North Ave. Center median work is especially noticeable at the Grand Ave curve. The lanes split (1 left, 3 right) just after North Ave.

-Center median work between Roosevelt Rd and the Cermak Toll.

-Nothing major between Cermak and the Hinsdale Oasis (see NB notes for the railroad/Oasis work). Two right lanes are exit only for I-55, three left for the highway. The I-55 ramp did get new signage again approaching the toll.

-Three lanes from Plainfield Road to just past I-55, then again from 75th St to LaGrange Road as cement work begins on the new SB bridge.

-A new split from 82nd St to 95th as work begins on the SB right lanes/medians (3 left, one right). That right lane is 95th St exit access and have already seen vehicles in the right express lane slow to a crawl thinking they can exit. Tollway set up those white median markers and a full barrel wall to prevent crossovers.
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Re: Illinois Tollway Notes
« Reply #1444 on: June 13, 2022, 10:59:31 AM »

Some updated 294 things I saw this weekend (might be repeating a few things, apologies)

Northbound 294:
-Same split between 82nd Toll and the Mile Long remains, however the official 88th Ave ramp construction has begun with expansion beginning on the bridge. The WB Archer Ave to NB 294 ramp also looks to be almost ready to go.

-Another split between 75th and I-55, two left express, two right for an exit only lane. 3 lanes go from there to Hinsdale Oasis. New ramp beams for the I-55 to NB 294/Oasis are up and bridge work has begun. Plainfield Rd bridge work continues, the Oasis structure is gone minus the bridge structure over the highway.

-The new pedestrian bridge path work has begun, railroad bridge work continues but its looking almost completed. Ogden Ave work hasn't had much movement yet. Clearing work continues to expand the NB lanes between Ogden and I-88, including work on the 31st St bridge.

-No major changes at I-290/88. New bridge piers have gone up in recent weeks. NB 294 to WB 290 ramp work continues. St. Charles Rd bridge work continues.

-No noticeable changes between North Ave and Wolf Rd. Pier work continues for the 490 interchange, you can actually see steel beams in place on piers just north of the highway. NB lanes split (2 left, 2 right) at Wolf Rd. The left two lanes split again at the Bensenville bridge with one going contraflow.

Southbound 294:
-Inner lane reworks continue between O'Hare and North Ave. Center median work is especially noticeable at the Grand Ave curve. The lanes split (1 left, 3 right) just after North Ave.

-Center median work between Roosevelt Rd and the Cermak Toll.

-Nothing major between Cermak and the Hinsdale Oasis (see NB notes for the railroad/Oasis work). Two right lanes are exit only for I-55, three left for the highway. The I-55 ramp did get new signage again approaching the toll.

-Three lanes from Plainfield Road to just past I-55, then again from 75th St to LaGrange Road as cement work begins on the new SB bridge.

-A new split from 82nd St to 95th as work begins on the SB right lanes/medians (3 left, one right). That right lane is 95th St exit access and have already seen vehicles in the right express lane slow to a crawl thinking they can exit. Tollway set up those white median markers and a full barrel wall to prevent crossovers.
Actually on Ogden Ave itself, they do have it down to 1 lane each way over 294. Had that in place last weekend.
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