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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1950 on: November 28, 2021, 08:39:20 PM »

Either it is a contractor mistake or PA has changed its rules regarding flash mode for three lens left turn signals but a new installation with a FYA on Business US 1 in Penndel had a flashing red arrow and flashing yellow bulbs.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1951 on: November 29, 2021, 01:06:42 PM »

And to add...truck shunpiking opportunities are just about non-existent or long/slow. 
For the Lehigh River bridge, there is a low underclearance warning for PA 940 in White Haven.
For the Nescopeck Creek bridge, it would be a somewhat long and slow detour on PA 93 and US 11.

Are you referring to this?

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0610325,-75.7728081,3a,41.7y,320.68h,86.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s44QlXszqqxTbdBHRL_zl9g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656



Yes...and this is further back:
https://goo.gl/maps/VHRH27ytTmAwH9n86
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1952 on: November 29, 2021, 02:55:52 PM »

Either it is a contractor mistake or PA has changed its rules regarding flash mode for three lens left turn signals but a new installation with a FYA on Business US 1 in Penndel had a flashing red arrow and flashing yellow bulbs.

Likely an error as PA doesn't do flashing red arrows except when the intersection is in full flash mode.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1953 on: November 29, 2021, 03:13:41 PM »

Either it is a contractor mistake or PA has changed its rules regarding flash mode for three lens left turn signals but a new installation with a FYA on Business US 1 in Penndel had a flashing red arrow and flashing yellow bulbs.

Likely an error as PA doesn't do flashing red arrows except when the intersection is in full flash mode.
It was in full flash mode.  I thought the standard in PA had been that turn arrows would be dark and that only thru signals would flash.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1954 on: November 29, 2021, 04:08:42 PM »

Either it is a contractor mistake or PA has changed its rules regarding flash mode for three lens left turn signals but a new installation with a FYA on Business US 1 in Penndel had a flashing red arrow and flashing yellow bulbs.
Where is this?  I am not on that section of U.S. 1 Business that much, but I am within about 10 minutes of Penndel and can go check this out. 
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1955 on: November 29, 2021, 05:05:23 PM »

Either it is a contractor mistake or PA has changed its rules regarding flash mode for three lens left turn signals but a new installation with a FYA on Business US 1 in Penndel had a flashing red arrow and flashing yellow bulbs.
Where is this?  I am not on that section of U.S. 1 Business that much, but I am within about 10 minutes of Penndel and can go check this out. 

It looks like it is around the Toyota dealer south of I-295.  I didn't drive through it but I saw it when turning left onto 295 South.  It looked like a FYA but there were definitely flashing turn arrows (the turn arrows would flash red, then the thru bulbs would flash yellow).

EDIT: From looking at Google Maps, then doing a search, it is a signal for a new Wawa.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1956 on: November 29, 2021, 08:05:28 PM »

Either it is a contractor mistake or PA has changed its rules regarding flash mode for three lens left turn signals but a new installation with a FYA on Business US 1 in Penndel had a flashing red arrow and flashing yellow bulbs.

Likely an error as PA doesn't do flashing red arrows except when the intersection is in full flash mode.
It was in full flash mode.  I thought the standard in PA had been that turn arrows would be dark and that only thru signals would flash.

I believe the MUTCD prohibits completely dark signal heads.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1957 on: November 29, 2021, 08:08:36 PM »

Either it is a contractor mistake or PA has changed its rules regarding flash mode for three lens left turn signals but a new installation with a FYA on Business US 1 in Penndel had a flashing red arrow and flashing yellow bulbs.

Likely an error as PA doesn't do flashing red arrows except when the intersection is in full flash mode.
It was in full flash mode.  I thought the standard in PA had been that turn arrows would be dark and that only thru signals would flash.

I believe the MUTCD prohibits completely dark signal heads.

There are definitely examples of dark signal heads in the Philly area when signals are in flash mode.  All of them are left turn signals.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1958 on: November 30, 2021, 03:28:04 PM »

Either it is a contractor mistake or PA has changed its rules regarding flash mode for three lens left turn signals but a new installation with a FYA on Business US 1 in Penndel had a flashing red arrow and flashing yellow bulbs.

Likely an error as PA doesn't do flashing red arrows except when the intersection is in full flash mode.
It was in full flash mode.  I thought the standard in PA had been that turn arrows would be dark and that only thru signals would flash.

I believe the MUTCD prohibits completely dark signal heads.

There are definitely examples of dark signal heads in the Philly area when signals are in flash mode.  All of them are left turn signals.
Those should be flashing red arrows.

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1959 on: December 01, 2021, 01:13:31 PM »

I drove on N Hills Rd between I-83 (Exit 19)/PA 462 and US 30 on Sunday, and the widening to 2 lanes northbound has been completed.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1960 on: December 01, 2021, 10:30:58 PM »

Is this a joke?
https://goo.gl/maps/At1sA9rp3UV3Myer9

A yellow TOLL banner on a toll road? I mean you paid a toll, though on credit through the Toll by Plate system, though nonetheless, you paid to get here to read this.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1961 on: December 02, 2021, 08:24:37 AM »

Is this a joke?
https://goo.gl/maps/At1sA9rp3UV3Myer9

A yellow TOLL banner on a toll road? I mean you paid a toll, though on credit through the Toll by Plate system, though nonetheless, you paid to get here to read this.

NY is doing this as well now that the Thruway has gone to AET. I don't have a problem with it, it's simple, informational, and not really hurting anything.

I think it's also MUTCD standard, per Section 2F.11: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2f.htm
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1962 on: December 02, 2021, 08:49:34 AM »

Last night I drove all of PA 867, 868, and the section of PA 869 east of I-99 to clinch.   Going NB on 867, it takes a very odd route through Roaring Spring proper.  The turn from Sprang onto Main I missed partly because the 867 shield was missing for the left turn.  It is also a weird intersection and I couldn’t tell which way the “left” meant...and guessed wrong.   According to wiki, that is maintained by Roaring Spring Borough, not PennDOT.  And they could definitely have done a much better job with signage through the Borough.  I had to park and pull up Wiki + a map to figure out how it traversed the Borough.

Additionally, I feel like 868 would have been fine as a quadrant route. 

It’s been a few years since I was on 869 west of I-99.  But I like the entire route.

I recently clinched PA 868, and I agree with you on that.  I do not see the point of it.

Also I emailed District 9 on the status of designating US 219 ALT north of Ebensburg, and the response was that there is not funding at this time to upgrade SR 4013.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1963 on: December 02, 2021, 11:59:28 AM »

Is this a joke?
https://goo.gl/maps/At1sA9rp3UV3Myer9

A yellow TOLL banner on a toll road? I mean you paid a toll, though on credit through the Toll by Plate system, though nonetheless, you paid to get here to read this.
Technically, you have not paid anything yet . . . as a "ticket" system with plazas at the interchanges, the charge is on exit.

Several confirmation assemblies much further east on the Turnpike also have the toll banner.  These signs, in a manner of speaking, confirm that you are still within the ticket system.  In theory, on the exit side of mainline barrier plazas, confirmations would not have the toll banner unless another mainline barrier plaza is ahead, though older installations on the Turnpike do not follow that.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1964 on: December 02, 2021, 01:27:51 PM »

Is this a joke?
https://goo.gl/maps/At1sA9rp3UV3Myer9

A yellow TOLL banner on a toll road? I mean you paid a toll, though on credit through the Toll by Plate system, though nonetheless, you paid to get here to read this.
Technically, you have not paid anything yet . . . as a "ticket" system with plazas at the interchanges, the charge is on exit.

While that's true, you will have to pay to go either direction... you'll just pay less by going right versus left.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1965 on: December 02, 2021, 04:24:09 PM »

Also I emailed District 9 on the status of designating US 219 ALT north of Ebensburg, and the response was that there is not funding at this time to upgrade SR 4013.

My recollection is that PennDOT cited traffic counts as the justification for this project, but US 219 in northern Cambria county runs in the 3000-ish range outside of Northern Cambria borough. I don't recall the borough really being all that congested, either, on the times I've driven through. It's just a 4-mile long slog. Building a 2-lane bypass around the Spangler part of town strikes me as more useful than shuttling traffic over to PA 36.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1967 on: December 05, 2021, 08:28:39 AM »

I drove on N Hills Rd between I-83 (Exit 19)/PA 462 and US 30 on Sunday, and the widening to 2 lanes northbound has been completed.

I even found this "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" sign in York, PA, along N Hills Rd to I-83 NB just north of PA 462.  (I am posting this in response to the New York Thread mentioning one (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1487.msg2686699#msg2686699)).
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1969 on: December 08, 2021, 11:46:52 AM »

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1970 on: December 08, 2021, 12:32:23 PM »

I drove on N Hills Rd between I-83 (Exit 19)/PA 462 and US 30 on Sunday, and the widening to 2 lanes northbound has been completed.

I even found this "FREEWAY ENTRANCE" sign in York, PA, along N Hills Rd to I-83 NB just north of PA 462.

Yorkies (is that what residents of York city and county, PA call themselves, like in England?) can call that thoroughfare "the 83" now.  :)

All that's missing from the bottom of the sign is a "NORTH" sign and an I-83 shield, although the assembly across the street does the job just as well.
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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1972 on: December 08, 2021, 11:12:42 PM »

Heading out to Pittsburgh tomorrow. Anyone want to suggest some scenic routes from Chambersburg?

A company is paying for this trip, so go nuts. Not too nuts since I'd like to reach Pittsburgh before nightfall.
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« Reply #1973 on: December 09, 2021, 05:06:05 AM »

Heading out to Pittsburgh tomorrow. Anyone want to suggest some scenic routes from Chambersburg?

A company is paying for this trip, so go nuts. Not too nuts since I'd like to reach Pittsburgh before nightfall.

I'd say US 30 is scenic enough if you have not clinched it already.  Looking at your Travel Mapping, it is not clinched yet between Wilkensburg and Bedford.

PA 31 is also a fairly quick route out west of Bedford towards Mt Pleasant with it being mostly 55 minus the boroughs.  You may also want to consider a road like PA 915 with its newer bridge at its north end at PA 26.

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Re: Pennsylvania
« Reply #1974 on: December 09, 2021, 04:23:33 PM »

Other than something really scenic and off the wall, there pretty much is either US 30 or PA-31 (using US-30 to get to it).

If you haven't been on that stretch of the Turnpike in a while, there's no better time than when you have a company paying those tolls. 
In the same vein, you could also dip down into MD and take I-70 -> I-68 and take US-40 or PA-TPK-43 into PA.

This time of year, nothing in particular stands out too much.
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