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Gnutella

Quote from: ixnay on March 08, 2015, 07:23:45 PM
Quote from: Gnutella on March 08, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: doofy103 on March 07, 2015, 08:59:03 PM
Are these beauties still up? 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.312267,-74.803063,3a,75y,59.13h,86.4t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scYJh41mXNEEkRZP3p2eWvA!2e0

and according to GSV looks like they're reconstructing I-84 but looks like no concrete is being used.

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3592,-74.699645,3a,75y,74.06h,72.71t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1saACSF30VAYcpSqR3ti9YwQ!2e0

Apparently the concrete base of the existing I-84 roadbed is having a chemical reaction with the bedrock under it, which might be why the new base is asphalt. It also looks like I-84 will be completely reconstructed through Pike County over the next several years.

One breakdown or accident in that westbound cattle chute and...

ixnay

Unfortunately, reconstructing half the roadbed at a time in each direction doesn't seem to be an option due to the deterioration of the concrete base. They have to work on the entire roadbed in one direction, and then the entire roadbed in the other. My guess is that they started with the westbound roadbed because it's in worse shape than the eastbound roadbed. Hopefully the new asphalt roadbed lasts longer than 40 years. As for accidents, they probably have emergency pull-off areas in the construction zone.


DeaconG

Hell, I'd be thrilled to see US 202 four laned between Norristown and Montgomeryville, but that won't happen in my lifetime...if ever.  I drove it several years ago during a visit to my family in Philly and going "nope, nope, nope y'all, you have to deal with this!"

Probably couldn't get past the NIMBYs, much less get funded.
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PHLBOS

Quote from: jemacedo9 on March 08, 2015, 06:47:41 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 08, 2015, 05:14:05 PM
Are there any plans to extend the US-202 freeway east of Doylestown? I was in the area today and there looked to be some road way at the eastern stub end of the bypass. That 2-lane section of US-202 is barely adequate for the traffic in the area. Tons of rim busting potholes too, typical PA.

No, and in fact, there is a project just starting to basically get rid of the stub ending there, make US 202 a straight-thru movement, have E State St end at US 202 as a T-intersection, and add left turn lanes at the PA 313/US 202 intersection.
The main reason why the originally-planned 4-lane US 202 Bypass, south of Doylestown, was scaled down to a mostly-2-lane Parkway was due to then-Gov. Rendell placating to those that lived north of Doylestown.  Their fears were had the Bypass' southern extension would've fueled pressure to build the northern extension.
Quote from: DeaconG on March 08, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Hell, I'd be thrilled to see US 202 four laned between Norristown and Montgomeryville, but that won't happen in my lifetime...if ever.  I drove it several years ago during a visit to my family in Philly and going "nope, nope, nope y'all, you have to deal with this!"

Probably couldn't get past the NIMBYs, much less get funded.
At one time, US 202 in PA was envisioned to be a outer-bypass of Greater Philadelphia; kind of like what I-495 in MA is with respect to Greater Boston.
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Quote from: jemacedo9 on March 08, 2015, 06:47:41 PM
Quote from: NJRoadfan on March 08, 2015, 05:14:05 PM
Are there any plans to extend the US-202 freeway east of Doylestown? I was in the area today and there looked to be some road way at the eastern stub end of the bypass. That 2-lane section of US-202 is barely adequate for the traffic in the area. Tons of rim busting potholes too, typical PA.

No, and in fact, there is a project just starting to basically get rid of the stub ending there, make US 202 a straight-thru movement, have E State St end at US 202 as a T-intersection, and add left turn lanes at the PA 313/US 202 intersection.

Are there any plans or news articles online?
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#179
Quote from: Gnutella on March 08, 2015, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: doofy103 on March 07, 2015, 08:59:03 PM
Are these beauties still up? 

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.312267,-74.803063,3a,75y,59.13h,86.4t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1scYJh41mXNEEkRZP3p2eWvA!2e0

and according to GSV looks like they're reconstructing I-84 but looks like no concrete is being used.


https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3592,-74.699645,3a,75y,74.06h,72.71t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1saACSF30VAYcpSqR3ti9YwQ!2e0

Apparently the concrete base of the existing I-84 roadbed is having a chemical reaction with the bedrock under it, which might be why the new base is asphalt. It also looks like I-84 will be completely reconstructed through Pike County over the next several years.

I thought the asphalt base was bc of cheapness. New expressway sections in CT also gave asphalt base. Guaranteed it won't last 40 years.

Seems to be typical PA interstate reconstruction. 20 years ago they had the same setup redoing parts of I-80 and I-81 for miles with pull offs for breakdowns but the new road was concrete
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froggie

Quote from: doofy103Are there any plans or news articles online?

http://www.doylestownpa.org/route-202-improvement-realignment/

Not much...just a basic overview.

PHLBOS

Quote from: froggie on March 11, 2015, 07:35:40 AMNot much...just a basic overview.
Based on that article, most of the work seems to be focused on the US 202/PA 313 intersection located just beyond where the US 202 Bypass terminates (at State St.).  The mentioned Park-and-Ride, IMHO, will likely be located at the truncated US 202 Bypass/State St. interchange.
GPS does NOT equal GOD

roadman65

Quote from: DeaconG on March 08, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Hell, I'd be thrilled to see US 202 four laned between Norristown and Montgomeryville, but that won't happen in my lifetime...if ever.  I drove it several years ago during a visit to my family in Philly and going "nope, nope, nope y'all, you have to deal with this!"

Probably couldn't get past the NIMBYs, much less get funded.
I see on GSV that it only has a 40 mph maximum speed.   That is just as stupid as being two lanes there and the sudden drop south of PA 611 as the SB to SB ramp merges after the road narrows and the NB to SB exit for PA 611 on 202 is before the road widens is even more stupid.
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odditude

Quote from: roadman65 on March 14, 2015, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 08, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Hell, I'd be thrilled to see US 202 four laned between Norristown and Montgomeryville, but that won't happen in my lifetime...if ever.  I drove it several years ago during a visit to my family in Philly and going "nope, nope, nope y'all, you have to deal with this!"

Probably couldn't get past the NIMBYs, much less get funded.
I see on GSV that it only has a 40 mph maximum speed.   That is just as stupid as being two lanes there and the sudden drop south of PA 611 as the SB to SB ramp merges after the road narrows and the NB to SB exit for PA 611 on 202 is before the road widens is even more stupid.
dude, word salad. break it out to multiple sentences.

Alps

Quote from: odditude on March 15, 2015, 11:47:02 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 14, 2015, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 08, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Hell, I'd be thrilled to see US 202 four laned between Norristown and Montgomeryville, but that won't happen in my lifetime...if ever.  I drove it several years ago during a visit to my family in Philly and going "nope, nope, nope y'all, you have to deal with this!"

Probably couldn't get past the NIMBYs, much less get funded.
I see on GSV that it only has a 40 mph maximum speed.   That is just as stupid as being two lanes there and the sudden drop south of PA 611 as the SB to SB ramp merges after the road narrows and the NB to SB exit for PA 611 on 202 is before the road widens is even more stupid.
dude, word salad. break it out to multiple sentences.
That's like telling the Thing to use moisturizer.

Mergingtraffic

Heading to Milford, PA this week, I'll let you know how the I-84 traffic is and if the US-6-206-209 button copy beauties are still there.
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ixnay

Quote from: Alps on March 15, 2015, 07:30:01 PM
Quote from: odditude on March 15, 2015, 11:47:02 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on March 14, 2015, 09:02:41 PM
Quote from: DeaconG on March 08, 2015, 09:16:10 PM
Hell, I'd be thrilled to see US 202 four laned between Norristown and Montgomeryville, but that won't happen in my lifetime...if ever.  I drove it several years ago during a visit to my family in Philly and going "nope, nope, nope y'all, you have to deal with this!"

Probably couldn't get past the NIMBYs, much less get funded.
I see on GSV that it only has a 40 mph maximum speed.   That is just as stupid as being two lanes there and the sudden drop south of PA 611 as the SB to SB ramp merges after the road narrows and the NB to SB exit for PA 611 on 202 is before the road widens is even more stupid.
dude, word salad. break it out to multiple sentences.
That's like telling the Thing to use moisturizer.

:-D :-D :-D

ixnay
The Washington/Baltimore/Arlington CSA has two Key Bridges, a Minnesota Avenue, and a Mannasota Avenue.

KEVIN_224

http://www.wgal.com/news/19mile-section-of-turnpike-to-be-shut-down-part-of-this-weekend/32024286

Won't the Pennsylvania Turnpike heading east out of Harrisburg be fun this weekend! Well...

Alps

Quote from: KEVIN_224 on March 26, 2015, 11:23:21 PM
http://www.wgal.com/news/19mile-section-of-turnpike-to-be-shut-down-part-of-this-weekend/32024286

Won't the Pennsylvania Turnpike heading east out of Harrisburg be fun this weekend! Well...
From midnight to 6 AM, maybe. I can't see it being a problem. The detour route is silly, in the interest of not skipping any exits. PA 283 to US 222 makes far more sense than US 322 to PA 73. (Same distance, I checked.) US 15 to PA 581 also makes more sense than I-76 to I-283, if you really wanted to take 322 for some reason.

KEVIN_224

I've only been on that stretch in question once: Last June, leaving a Senators baseball game in Harrisburg and then heading east to the Bensalem exit near Philadelphia. I'll pass along your tip for the detour to a friend who already lives in that state.

Flyer78

They are also closing the mainline between 28 (Cranberry) and 39 (Butler Valley) Midnight-4.

VMS on NB I-476 indicated there would also be a closure between Willow Grove (343) and Bensalem (351), but I do not see that reflected on the Turnpike homepage.

MASTERNC

Quote from: Flyer78 on March 27, 2015, 02:03:33 PM
They are also closing the mainline between 28 (Cranberry) and 39 (Butler Valley) Midnight-4.

VMS on NB I-476 indicated there would also be a closure between Willow Grove (343) and Bensalem (351), but I do not see that reflected on the Turnpike homepage.

I saw Bensalem to Delaware Valley on a VMS near King of Prussia.

02 Park Ave

Would taking the I-376 between Turnpike exits 10 and 57 be a suitable detour?
C-o-H

rickmastfan67

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 27, 2015, 10:43:14 PM
Would taking the I-376 between Turnpike exits 10 and 57 be a suitable detour?

No.  Especially when the Ft. Pitt Tunnel might be closed as well as between I-79 and the Greentree exit overnight.

ixnay

Quote from: rickmastfan67 on March 27, 2015, 11:55:53 PM
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on March 27, 2015, 10:43:14 PM
Would taking the I-376 between Turnpike exits 10 and 57 be a suitable detour?

No.  Especially when the Ft. Pitt Tunnel might be closed as well as between I-79 and the Greentree exit overnight.

For what reason?

ixnay
The Washington/Baltimore/Arlington CSA has two Key Bridges, a Minnesota Avenue, and a Mannasota Avenue.

ixnay

OK, it's Sat. 3/28, a little after 8:00a EDT.  Do you know where your PA Turnpike closures are?

IOW why is Google Maps showing the two PA Tpk stretches as being wide open?  Where are the red dots with white bars?

ixnay
The Washington/Baltimore/Arlington CSA has two Key Bridges, a Minnesota Avenue, and a Mannasota Avenue.

rickmastfan67


ARMOURERERIC

Nothing on the PA Pike homepage about the Cranberry to BV closing either. I wonder if they were demoing the Thorn Hill Bridge?

ARMOURERERIC

Quote from: ARMOURERERIC on March 28, 2015, 10:12:09 AM
Nothing on the PA Pike homepage about the Cranberry to BV closing either. I wonder if they were demoing the Thorn Hill Bridge?

It was indeed the Thorn Hill Road bridge.

Mergingtraffic

How's the Allentown area for old signage?  I see some all text button copy around PA-309 and US-22.  Is there an upcoming signing contract for these? I'd like to take a trip out there.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.597993,-75.564501,3a,75y,55.11h,96.13t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s8rKkwIpfvRciN8_r4Hunpg!2e0

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