Pennsylvania

[Roadsguy]

There's a lot of button copy in the mess of where 183 ends at Bus. 422.

[roadman65]

What is the purpose of the x15 routes in Northeastern PA?  The routes PA 115, PA 315, and PA 715 are all not even near US 15 to be children of it, and I find it too much of a coincidence that all those x15s are all connected to each other and assigned to the same reason.  Also PA 115 being truncated made that a much bigger highway at one time as it used to enter Easton via Sullivan Trail and connect to US 22 in Center City, so I get the feeling something bigger went on that influenced that numbering.

[Roadgeek Adam]

What is the purpose of the x15 routes in Northeastern PA?  The routes PA 115, PA 315, and PA 715 are all not even near US 15 to be children of it, and I find it too much of a coincidence that all those x15s are all connected to each other and assigned to the same reason.  Also PA 115 being truncated made that a much bigger highway at one time as it used to enter Easton via Sullivan Trail and connect to US 22 in Center City, so I get the feeling something bigger went on that influenced that numbering.

PA's system is designed like this:

100s-700s: spurs of 1-99
800-831: No pattern.
832-899-900s: starting from 99 and going backwards spurs. (Hence 832->99)

215-715 are all spurs of PA 15, which was replaced by PA 115 in 1928 to eliminate redundancy. So in effect, PA 115 is the parent.

[ekt8750]

This site is a good primer on the PA State Highway System

[roadman65]

What is the purpose of the x15 routes in Northeastern PA?  The routes PA 115, PA 315, and PA 715 are all not even near US 15 to be children of it, and I find it too much of a coincidence that all those x15s are all connected to each other and assigned to the same reason.  Also PA 115 being truncated made that a much bigger highway at one time as it used to enter Easton via Sullivan Trail and connect to US 22 in Center City, so I get the feeling something bigger went on that influenced that numbering.

PA's system is designed like this:

100s-700s: spurs of 1-99
800-831: No pattern.
832-899-900s: starting from 99 and going backwards spurs. (Hence 832->99)

215-715 are all spurs of PA 15, which was replaced by PA 115 in 1928 to eliminate redundancy. So in effect, PA 115 is the parent.

So basically I sort of stumbled on to it as I had a feeling that PA 115's original routing was the key.  I just did not know how.

So just like PA 83 turned into PA 183 in Berks County, so this happened.  Interesting, as I just acquired an old PA map, however not old enough, but old enough that PA 115 came down to Easton while US 611 entered New Jersey.

  I do remember the US 22/ PA 33 interchange being built in which PA 115 still had to exist south of US 209 then as PA 33 replaced PA 115 south of Snydersville.  So anytime in the the  mid to late 50's  that map had to be published as I-83 did not exist east of the Susquehana River and there was no I-78 or I-81 even on the map as well as many other interstates.  The US 611 freeway in New Jersey was built in 1953 as that is the time of the current I-80 crossing of the Delaware opening to traffic.

[Roadgeek Adam]

Weird situation with 83, because 83 was replaced by multiple routes in 1960-1 due to the redundancy of interstates. There have been 2 183 as a result.

[ixnay]

This site is a good primer on the PA State Highway System

Are you talking about pahighways.com ?  Or aaroads.com/forum ?

ixnay

[ekt8750]

This site is a good primer on the PA State Highway System

Are you talking about pahighways.com ?  Or aaroads.com/forum ?

ixnay

Sigh. I'm and idiot and forgot to include the link to the site I was referring to:

http://www.m-plex.com/roads/paindex.html

[Alps]

100s-700s: spurs of 1-99
800-831: No pattern.
832-899-900s: starting from 99 and going backwards spurs. (Hence 832->99)

I have no idea what that last phrase means. Elaborate.

[ekt8750]

100s-700s: spurs of 1-99
800-831: No pattern.
832-899-900s: starting from 99 and going backwards spurs. (Hence 832->99)

I have no idea what that last phrase means. Elaborate.

He means the parent routes of the 800-999 spur routes start at PA99 and continue in descending order. In the example he used, PA832's parent route is PA99.

[Roadgeek Adam]

100s-700s: spurs of 1-99
800-831: No pattern.
832-899-900s: starting from 99 and going backwards spurs. (Hence 832->99)

I have no idea what that last phrase means. Elaborate.

As noted above, starting at 832, the routes serve as spurs from a parent starting with 99, with 832 being a spur of 99, 833 with 96, 834 with 92 and so on.

[Alps]

100s-700s: spurs of 1-99
800-831: No pattern.
832-899-900s: starting from 99 and going backwards spurs. (Hence 832->99)

I have no idea what that last phrase means. Elaborate.

As noted above, starting at 832, the routes serve as spurs from a parent starting with 99, with 832 being a spur of 99, 833 with 96, 834 with 92 and so on.

Does that pattern repeat, or does it terminate after the first go-through? I have no source to go by online (they just generically say "no pattern over 800").

[ekt8750]

100s-700s: spurs of 1-99
800-831: No pattern.
832-899-900s: starting from 99 and going backwards spurs. (Hence 832->99)

I have no idea what that last phrase means. Elaborate.

As noted above, starting at 832, the routes serve as spurs from a parent starting with 99, with 832 being a spur of 99, 833 with 96, 834 with 92 and so on.

Does that pattern repeat, or does it terminate after the first go-through? I have no source to go by online (they just generically say "no pattern over 800").

No the parent routes can and have multiple spurs assigned to them. A lot of the 800-999 series spur routes have been reclassified as Quadrant Routes since they were introduced in the early 80s.

[MASTERNC]

Looks like PennDOT is unveiling a new website this weekend.  One of my bookmarked links tried to redirect me to a new site, but I then got an error.

The new address is http://www.penndot.gov/.  Trying it right now starts an endless redirect loop.

Hopefully the new site is more streamlined.  Seemed each district differed significantly in format and content.

[roadman65]

Just out of curiosity, just when did PennDOT reconstruct the current US 22 & PA 145 interchange in Whitehall from the previous cloverleaf that stood for decades before?

[Roadsguy]

Just recently, I think it wrapped up some time last year.

[PHLBOS]

This just in: Long-awaited widening of Route 22 begins Monday.

Project involves the Lehigh Valley Expressway stretch of US 22 (to be widened from 4-lanes to 6-lanes).

[jemacedo9]

This just in: Long-awaited widening of Route 22 begins Monday.

Project involves the Lehigh Valley Expressway stretch of US 22 (to be widened from 4-lanes to 6-lanes).

One thing I couldn't tell:  is this a true widening to 6-lanes, or is this just adding auxiliiary lanes between interchanges and across the Lehigh River Bridge (not that it wouldn't help)?

[PHLBOS]

One thing I couldn't tell:  is this a true widening to 6-lanes, or is this just adding auxiliiary lanes between interchanges and across the Lehigh River Bridge (not that it wouldn't help)?

From what I've read and can tell; it will be a true widening.

[Roadsguy]

Are there longer-term plans to widen more of it? It could use a widening between the NE Extension and 33, at least.

[noelbotevera]

Are there longer-term plans to widen more of it? It could use a widening between the NE Extension and 33, at least.

I'd say widen it between I-78 to I-78 east of Alpha, New Jersey. It's the only part of I-78 that US 22 gets, at the very least.

[PHLBOS]

Are there longer-term plans to widen more of it? It could use a widening between the NE Extension and 33, at least.

construction crews will be on the highway to begin a five-year project to widen the road from MacArthur Road east to the Lehigh River.
...
What's starting now is a precursor to the next phase of widening, expected to cost more than $200 million, that will expand Route 22 to six lanes from Airport Road to 15th Street in Allentown.

[cpzilliacus]

WGAL-TV (Channel 8): PennDOT shuts down Norman Wood Bridge in York/Lancaster counties - Officials say there is a structural deficiency

The Norman Wood Bridge that carries Route 372 over the Susquehanna River between Lancaster and York counties has been shut down.

PennDOT says the closure is necessary because of the discovery of a crack in one of the steel girders.

[ixnay]

WGAL-TV (Channel 8): PennDOT shuts down Norman Wood Bridge in York/Lancaster counties - Officials say there is a structural deficiency

The Norman Wood Bridge that carries Route 372 over the Susquehanna River between Lancaster and York counties has been shut down.

PennDOT says the closure is necessary because of the discovery of a crack in one of the steel girders.

*That* will be a mess for employees of the Holtwood power plant who live in York County or commuters from Lancaster County to Peach Bottom.

ixnay

[jpi]

WGAL-TV (Channel 8): PennDOT shuts down Norman Wood Bridge in York/Lancaster counties - Officials say there is a structural deficiency

The Norman Wood Bridge that carries Route 372 over the Susquehanna River between Lancaster and York counties has been shut down.

PennDOT says the closure is necessary because of the discovery of a crack in one of the steel girders.

*That* will be a mess for employees of the Holtwood power plant who live in York County or commuters from Lancaster County to Peach Bottom.

ixnay

From what I understand it will be closed for a month. Found this out when Steph and I were in central PA last week. The bridge opened in the late 60's but has been "pounded" by VERY LARGE loads over the years, not sure if this has anything to do with this crack they found or not.