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kkt:

--- Quote from: Quillz on September 10, 2021, 09:43:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 01:57:36 PM ---US 93 in Arizona has a similar feel to US 101 in California.  In fact I recall asking the question why I-11 really is even needed when bypasses of Kingman and Wickenburg are the only real problem areas left. 

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Same reason we've got Interstate 238: brand name recognition, to an extent. Motorists are familiar with the interstate shield and know when they see it, it will be a freeway. While there are a lot of US routes now modernized to freeway standards, it's not always a guarantee.

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Making I-238 was accompanied with substantial upgrades.  The surface street was a boulevard with several very long lights between 17 880 and I-580.

TheStranger:

--- Quote from: kkt on September 12, 2021, 01:07:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Quillz on September 10, 2021, 09:43:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 01:57:36 PM ---US 93 in Arizona has a similar feel to US 101 in California.  In fact I recall asking the question why I-11 really is even needed when bypasses of Kingman and Wickenburg are the only real problem areas left. 

--- End quote ---
Same reason we've got Interstate 238: brand name recognition, to an extent. Motorists are familiar with the interstate shield and know when they see it, it will be a freeway. While there are a lot of US routes now modernized to freeway standards, it's not always a guarantee.

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Making I-238 was accompanied with substantial upgrades.  The surface street was a boulevard with several very long lights between 17 880 and I-580.


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IIRC wasn't there a period pre-1984 where 238 was full freeway but a state route?  Or was it built from the start as an interstate?

heynow415:

--- Quote from: TheStranger on September 12, 2021, 01:00:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: kkt on September 12, 2021, 01:07:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: Quillz on September 10, 2021, 09:43:19 AM ---
--- Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 22, 2021, 01:57:36 PM ---US 93 in Arizona has a similar feel to US 101 in California.  In fact I recall asking the question why I-11 really is even needed when bypasses of Kingman and Wickenburg are the only real problem areas left. 

--- End quote ---
Same reason we've got Interstate 238: brand name recognition, to an extent. Motorists are familiar with the interstate shield and know when they see it, it will be a freeway. While there are a lot of US routes now modernized to freeway standards, it's not always a guarantee.

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Making I-238 was accompanied with substantial upgrades.  The surface street was a boulevard with several very long lights between 17 880 and I-580.


--- End quote ---

IIRC wasn't there a period pre-1984 where 238 was full freeway but a state route?  Or was it built from the start as an interstate?

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The east-west portion of 238 was built as full freeway at the same time as the rest of US50 through Dublin Canyon was widened to four lanes, and predates the 50/580 leg up into San Leandro and Oakland which didn't reach Castro Valley until 1964-65.  Aside from being narrow, the biggest problem with "old" 238 is that there was no direct connection between it and 17/880 to the south, likely on the assumption that 92 was originally supposed to be freeway to the north-south segment of 238 between Hayward and Fremont and thus this movement would not have been needed.  It was necessary to exit at Washington Ave. and do a short surface street maneuver to pull that off.  A direct northbound 17/880 to 238 ramp was added in the early 80's.  The 238 to southbound 880 was added as part of the overhaul of the entire I-238 segment (and I-580 to Palomares Canyon) which included widening to add lanes, provision of the central median r/w for BART, and reconstructing the interchange with 580. 

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