AARoads Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

New rules to ensure post quality. See this thread for details.

Author Topic: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread  (Read 4834 times)

edwaleni

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1538
  • Last Login: May 20, 2022, 12:07:18 AM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2021, 01:51:49 PM »

I doubt there will be a 336. IDOT  is 4 laning 24 instead.

Agreed. There shouldn't have been IL-336 from Quincy to Macomb in the first place.

I am sure in some EIS from 1967 it had a rationale.
Logged

3467

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1500
  • Last Login: Today at 05:16:21 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2021, 05:43:07 PM »

It did. It was to justify 180 because the original supplemental freeway system did not have that corridor. I ha be thought of doing a summary of each corridor and what happened.
Then it became part of the CKC but it would save only 10 miles over the 110. 4 landing 34 through Galesburg would save more.

Then Canton and Bushnell wanted a 4 lane but not a 336 virtual freeway. Bushnell wanted it 3 lane through town like Good Hope. Canton just to Peoria. 24 does that and makes 9 the route. It seems everyone is happier.

And Yes dump the 336 number a useless concurrency.
Logged

hbelkins

  • *
  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 17525
  • It is well, it is well, with my soul.

  • Age: 60
  • Location: Kentucky
  • Last Login: May 20, 2022, 08:24:38 PM
    • Millennium Highway
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2021, 07:46:27 PM »

It did. It was to justify 180 because the original supplemental freeway system did not have that corridor. I ha be thought of doing a summary of each corridor and what happened.
Then it became part of the CKC but it would save only 10 miles over the 110. 4 landing 34 through Galesburg would save more.

Then Canton and Bushnell wanted a 4 lane but not a 336 virtual freeway. Bushnell wanted it 3 lane through town like Good Hope. Canton just to Peoria. 24 does that and makes 9 the route. It seems everyone is happier.

And Yes dump the 336 number a useless concurrency.

Actually, 110 is the useless concurrency.
Logged


I identify as vaccinated.

ilpt4u

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2773
  • Location: Southern IL
  • Last Login: Today at 04:49:02 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2021, 08:57:53 PM »

It did. It was to justify 180 because the original supplemental freeway system did not have that corridor. I ha be thought of doing a summary of each corridor and what happened.
Then it became part of the CKC but it would save only 10 miles over the 110. 4 landing 34 through Galesburg would save more.

Then Canton and Bushnell wanted a 4 lane but not a 336 virtual freeway. Bushnell wanted it 3 lane through town like Good Hope. Canton just to Peoria. 24 does that and makes 9 the route. It seems everyone is happier.

And Yes dump the 336 number a useless concurrency.

Actually, 110 is the useless concurrency.
But if 336 were decommissioned, that actually makes the 110 number at least partially sensible…
Logged

SkyPesos

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 4418
  • Age: 19
  • Location: Cincinnati, OH/Lafayette, IN
  • Last Login: Today at 05:27:16 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2021, 09:55:11 PM »

110 seems like a useless route number in both MO and IL to me. Is 3 route numbers (35, 36, 55) too much to remember for driving between KC and Chicago, that one three digit one is needed?
Logged
My Fictional Highways

Fundamental Theorem of AARoads - Let "y" represent the elevation above sea level in a certain area. If "Δy" between the highest and lowest values of y equals to 0, it's Illinois.

3467

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1500
  • Last Login: Today at 05:16:21 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2021, 10:57:48 PM »

State route Interstates are sort of a thing. 27 is the Avenue is Saints in Iowa and Missouri. There are a few others like Illinois and Iowa 64.
On the other hand there is Iowa 163 that runs from Burlington to the state line and ends.If Illinois carries it say to 80 there could be a quint plex? On the Monmouth by pass.
Logged

Rick Powell

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 644
  • Last Login: May 20, 2022, 05:56:15 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2021, 10:59:47 PM »

I am sure in some EIS from 1967 it had a rationale.
There was no such thing as an EIS in 1967, at least in the form we know today. EISs were the spawn of Nixon’s National Environmental Protection Act of 1969. One reason IDOT was able to squeak I-180 in was the fact that the project development preceded NEPA and it’s requirements for disclosure of impacts and public involvement by a year or so.
Logged

Roadgeekteen

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 12475
  • Interstates everywhere to everything

  • Age: 18
  • Location: Needham/Amherst
  • Last Login: Today at 04:00:15 AM
    • old interstate plans
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2021, 01:00:45 AM »

How much does it really cost to maintain this road with so little traffic?
Logged
God-emperor of Alanland, king of all the goats and goat-like creatures

Current Interstate map I am making:

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1SRJ5PPfTJp9aHxzFUw4IZdk5Racc8bhp&ll=41.78177440649835%2C-74.47910573821878&z=7

JREwing78

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1320
  • Location: Janesville, WI
  • Last Login: Today at 05:23:33 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2021, 01:13:05 AM »

How much does it really cost to maintain this road with so little traffic?
It may not get significant traffic, but it's still subject to frost/freeze cycles and wildly swinging temperatures. So, less than I-80, certainly, and certainly less than the cost to downgrade to a 2-lane. But it's probably comparable to 2 2-lane roadways of average traffic.

What will compel a downgrade is having to rebuild bridges or perform a complete ground up rebuild of the roadbed. But that's likely a ways off with so little traffic beating it up - at least another 30 years.

SM-G991U

Logged

3467

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1500
  • Last Login: Today at 05:16:21 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2021, 09:53:31 AM »

The bridges are being redecked now and that would be the biggest expense so it will be around for a long time.
There is an 80 overpass in a low low volume township road closed. I wonder if we will see some of those overpasses removed months future.
Logged

hbelkins

  • *
  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 17525
  • It is well, it is well, with my soul.

  • Age: 60
  • Location: Kentucky
  • Last Login: May 20, 2022, 08:24:38 PM
    • Millennium Highway
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2021, 09:10:22 PM »

110 seems like a useless route number in both MO and IL to me. Is 3 route numbers (35, 36, 55) too much to remember for driving between KC and Chicago, that one three digit one is needed?

Or 70-270-55?
Logged


I identify as vaccinated.

SkyPesos

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 4418
  • Age: 19
  • Location: Cincinnati, OH/Lafayette, IN
  • Last Login: Today at 05:27:16 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2021, 09:39:16 PM »

110 seems like a useless route number in both MO and IL to me. Is 3 route numbers (35, 36, 55) too much to remember for driving between KC and Chicago, that one three digit one is needed?

Or 70-270-55?
I think the US 36 routing is preferred by most as it bypasses the entire St Louis metro area. I-70 in St Charles County can get pretty ugly in traffic even outside of peak hours sometimes.
Logged
My Fictional Highways

Fundamental Theorem of AARoads - Let "y" represent the elevation above sea level in a certain area. If "Δy" between the highest and lowest values of y equals to 0, it's Illinois.

edwaleni

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1538
  • Last Login: May 20, 2022, 12:07:18 AM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2021, 11:25:53 PM »

I am sure in some EIS from 1967 it had a rationale.
There was no such thing as an EIS in 1967, at least in the form we know today. EISs were the spawn of Nixon’s National Environmental Protection Act of 1969. One reason IDOT was able to squeak I-180 in was the fact that the project development preceded NEPA and it’s requirements for disclosure of impacts and public involvement by a year or so.


I was being sorta sarcastic.  What I really meant to say was that somewhere in some time frame there was a document (or group there of) that showed why it was needed at that point in time.
Logged

Flint1979

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 6733
  • Age: 42
  • Location: Michigan
  • Last Login: Today at 03:10:13 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2021, 05:37:34 AM »

110 seems like a useless route number in both MO and IL to me. Is 3 route numbers (35, 36, 55) too much to remember for driving between KC and Chicago, that one three digit one is needed?

Or 70-270-55?
I think the US 36 routing is preferred by most as it bypasses the entire St Louis metro area. I-70 in St Charles County can get pretty ugly in traffic even outside of peak hours sometimes.
I know there are driveways and cross roads and stuff but isn't US-36 at least four laned and 65 mph the entire route across Missouri?
Logged

edwaleni

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1538
  • Last Login: May 20, 2022, 12:07:18 AM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2021, 10:24:16 AM »

110 seems like a useless route number in both MO and IL to me. Is 3 route numbers (35, 36, 55) too much to remember for driving between KC and Chicago, that one three digit one is needed?

Or 70-270-55?
I think the US 36 routing is preferred by most as it bypasses the entire St Louis metro area. I-70 in St Charles County can get pretty ugly in traffic even outside of peak hours sometimes.
I know there are driveways and cross roads and stuff but isn't US-36 at least four laned and 65 mph the entire route across Missouri?

Yes. Not limited access, but it is 4 lane now all the way to St Joseph, MO.
Logged

3467

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1500
  • Last Login: Today at 05:16:21 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2021, 10:36:20 AM »

I did the major route distances once and it is the shortest.
Logged

US20IL64

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 231
  • Location: Elmhurst IL
  • Last Login: May 04, 2022, 09:28:34 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2021, 02:33:22 PM »

Western IL [aka "Forgottonia"] complained of "no Interstates =  no progress here" for years, so I-72 and 172 were given to them. Same with IL-336 and the IL 110 route.

Logged

Revive 755

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 4539
  • Last Login: May 20, 2022, 09:36:54 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2021, 10:43:14 PM »

I know there are driveways and cross roads and stuff but isn't US-36 at least four laned and 65 mph the entire route across Missouri?

Even when the four laning was finished, US 36 was not 65 all the way across Missouri:

1) First there's the lousy 55 mph stretch through Hannibal.

2) Down to 45 in Cameron and now up to three stoplights, then a questionable 55 mph stretch that drags on.

3) Then down to 55 again through St. Joseph with a 45 mph stretch near the signalized ramps with I-229.

Might also be a couple more sections less than 65 if if there have been safety problems near some of the other towns (been a while since I've used it).

Still a viable and usually more reliable alternative to I-70 IMHO.
Logged

CtrlAltDel

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1862
  • Location: Central Texas
  • Last Login: Today at 02:31:31 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #43 on: October 19, 2021, 12:22:25 PM »

Just out of idle curiosity, how much does it cost in general to dig up a mile of interstate? I can't imagine that it's all that much relatively speaking, compared to replacing it, but it still seems like a fairly big job. Otherwise they probably wouldn't have left that bit if I-44 in Tulsa when they moved it to reach the Creek Turnpike.
Logged
Interstates clinched: 4, 57, 275 (IN-KY-OH), 465 (IN), 640 (TN), 985
State Interstates clinched: I-26 (TN), I-75 (GA), I-75 (KY), I-75 (TN), I-81 (WV), I-95 (NH)

I-39

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1744
  • Last Login: May 16, 2022, 09:55:42 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #44 on: October 19, 2021, 01:24:22 PM »

Western IL [aka "Forgottonia"] complained of "no Interstates =  no progress here" for years, so I-72 and 172 were given to them. Same with IL-336 and the IL 110 route.

And if they really want to complete the puzzle, maybe just extend I-172 to Galesburg along the IL-336 and US 67/34 corridors. Not that there is a traffic need for that.
Logged

skluth

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2046
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Palm Springs, CA
  • Last Login: Today at 05:21:14 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #45 on: October 19, 2021, 05:47:49 PM »

110 seems like a useless route number in both MO and IL to me. Is 3 route numbers (35, 36, 55) too much to remember for driving between KC and Chicago, that one three digit one is needed?

Or 70-270-55?
I think the US 36 routing is preferred by most as it bypasses the entire St Louis metro area. I-70 in St Charles County can get pretty ugly in traffic even outside of peak hours sometimes.

The worst of St Chuck can be bypassed by MO 370 though I-70 can get ugly around Wentzville. Unfortunately, it doesn't bypass the mess on I-270 in North St Louis County which has several potential bottlenecks depending on time of day; US 67, I-170, MO 367, and worst of all the Chain of Rocks Bridge over the Mississippi. I've also hit rush hour jams in Columbia, MO.  As a former STL resident, I heartily endorse the I-35/US 36/I-55 option as the better choice even with the  stoplights in Cameron and Hannibal.
Logged

Revive 755

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 4539
  • Last Login: May 20, 2022, 09:36:54 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #46 on: October 19, 2021, 10:26:06 PM »

As a former STL resident, I heartily endorse the I-35/US 36/I-55 option as the better choice even with the  stoplights in Cameron and Hannibal.

US 36 is a full freeway through Hannibal (at least until Hannibal annexes west of US 24).
Logged

skluth

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 2046
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Palm Springs, CA
  • Last Login: Today at 05:21:14 PM
Re: I-180 in Illinois: a serious thread
« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2021, 07:09:05 PM »

As a former STL resident, I heartily endorse the I-35/US 36/I-55 option as the better choice even with the  stoplights in Cameron and Hannibal.

US 36 is a full freeway through Hannibal (at least until Hannibal annexes west of US 24).
Oops. I'm used to going through Hannibal on US 61 which along with Waterloo has the stoplights on the Avenue of the Saints. Forgot about that tiny extension of I-72 into Missouri.
Logged

 


Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.