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Title: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 18, 2009, 08:44:17 PM
This game is broken into parts-
The first question is: how is the following pair of cities related?

Houston & Chicago  :hmmm:

(Of course, this relation has to do with roads.)

If I don't get a correct response after a while, I'll post an additional pair of cities with the same relationship.
After someone gets the correct answer, I'll continue with Part 2 of the game...


(See reply #26 for the latest updates.  Reply #16 got the correct answer to Part #1)
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: golden eagle on September 18, 2009, 08:58:39 PM
They have toll roads?
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 18, 2009, 10:20:58 PM
That's true, but not the answer I was looking for.

I don't know if this explanation will clear things up or not, but here goes:

There are many pairs of cities/towns in the USA that are also related to each other (using the same general logic), but each pair has a specific relationship that is not shared by any other pair.
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: Alps on September 18, 2009, 11:14:02 PM
Both have a very elongated junction where two highways run next to each other without multiplexing?  (Though one might add Rochester to that list.)
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 19, 2009, 12:06:04 AM
Good guess, but not what I'm looking for.  :-/
Keep trying!
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: SSOWorld on September 19, 2009, 12:19:37 AM
they both have a highway numbered 90 and a highway numbered 290. (TBH I can't see what it is)
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: jdb1234 on September 19, 2009, 12:31:30 AM
They both have a highway numbered 45.
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: Alps on September 19, 2009, 01:11:43 AM
Both have privately run toll roads?  Cintra runs the Skyway in a joint consortium and apparently is constructing the extension of TX 130.
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 19, 2009, 09:30:59 AM
Responses so far...

Highways 90 & 290 are also found in Buffalo, NY and Worcester (Auburn), MA. (Any other places?)

Highway 45 exists in numerous locations as well.

There are other locations with private toll roads. (Orange County, CA; Dulles Greenway, VA, others?)


It looks like it's time for Clue #2   :confused:

The next pair of cities has the same type of relationship as Houston & Chicago (although the exact connection is unique for each pair)

Kansas City, MO & Louisville, KY


Good luck!

Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: Alps on September 19, 2009, 10:12:32 AM
All the cities so far appear to have two beltways.
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: Hellfighter on September 19, 2009, 10:46:26 AM
Both cities have 3 2-d interstates intersect?
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: FLRoads on September 20, 2009, 12:54:26 AM
Okay, here are my guesses on how these cities might be related:

Both Chicago and Louisville have multiplexes with major transcontinental U.S. Highways (meaning one route ending with 0 and the other ending with 1). Chicago has the multiplex of U.S. 41 and U.S. 20 while Louisville has the multiplex of U.S. 31W (technically a branch of U.S. 31) and U.S. 60. Houston and Kansas City have similar multiplexes, but with transcontinental interstates (meaning one ending in 0 and the other ending in 5), namely Interstate 35 and Interstate 70 in Kansas City and Interstate 45 and Interstate 10 in Houston.

After reading all the other guesses, this is what I can come up with. It might be a stretch, but after all I am thinking of this late at night  :nod:
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: Scott5114 on September 20, 2009, 03:58:17 AM
Lots of cities have transcon Interstate multiplexes though...I-40 alone concurs with I-35, I-55, I-65, I-75, and I-85.
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: FLRoads on September 20, 2009, 10:44:24 AM
That is true, but since nobody else has come up with the correct answer I just figured I would throw that specific idea into the mix... :-P
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: njroadhorse on September 20, 2009, 04:39:04 PM
Is it that each pair's x5's are exactly 20 apart from each other?
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 20, 2009, 11:54:03 PM
Nobody's gotten the right answer yet, but your guesses are on the right track...   ;-)

I'll give you Clue #3 now:

Seattle, WA & Jacksonville, FL

Compare this pair to the previous ones:

Houston, TX & Chicago, IL
Kansas City, MO & Louisville, KY



Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: xonhulu on September 21, 2009, 09:33:12 PM
Is it that all the city pairs share 2 different interstate pairs that add to 100?

Houston/Chicago: 45 + 55 = 100, 10 + 90 = 100

KC/Louisville: 29 + 71 = 100,  35 + 65 = 100

Seattle/Jacksonville: 90 + 10 = 100, 5 + 95 = 100
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: SSOWorld on September 21, 2009, 11:14:29 PM
Quote from: xonhulu on September 21, 2009, 09:33:12 PM
Is it that all the city pairs share 2 different interstate pairs that add to 100?

Houston/Chicago: 45 + 55 = 100, 10 + 90 = 100

KC/Louisville: 29 + 71 = 100,  35 + 65 = 100

Seattle/Jacksonville: 90 + 10 = 100, 5 + 95 = 100

hah nice find! :happy:
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 21, 2009, 11:27:34 PM
Reply #16 by xonhulu:

Is it that all the city pairs share 2 different interstate pairs that add to 100?

Houston/Chicago: 45 + 55 = 100, 10 + 90 = 100

KC/Louisville: 29 + 71 = 100,  35 + 65 = 100

Seattle/Jacksonville: 90 + 10 = 100, 5 + 95 = 100


Congratulations - you got it!  :clap:

Now for Part #2 of the game...

How many more of these city/town pairs can you find?
See if you can get all 23 (or even more, if I missed any.  :poke:) 

Note: the locations of the junctions might also be small towns, and in one case, the middle of nowhere.  Some of the locations may be repeated with a different pair.  Each pair should have an Interstate junction where each highway number has a counterpart in the other location that adds up to 100.  (For example, Seattle has the I-5/I-90 junction and Jacksonville has the I-95/I-10 junction. 5+95=100 and 90+10=100.)



Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: jdb1234 on September 22, 2009, 12:08:54 AM
Birmingham, AL and Des Moines, IA is one pair. 

65+35=100
80+20=100
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: jdb1234 on September 22, 2009, 12:11:45 AM
Also Mobile, AL and Albert Lea, MN is a pair

65+35=100
10+90=100
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: Hellfighter on September 22, 2009, 12:14:18 AM
Grand Rapids and Orlando!

96 + 4 = 100
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: OracleUsr on September 22, 2009, 12:21:19 AM
Savannah, GA/Portland, OR:  (I-84 + I-16 = 100, I-5 + I-95 = 100)
Around Sacramento, CA/Florence, SC (I-80 + I-20 = 100, I-5 + I-95 = 100)
near Boston, MA/Los Angeles, CA (I-95 + I-5 = 100, I-10 + I-90 = 100)
Mobile, AL/Albert Lea (or somewhere around there), MN (I-65 + I-35 = 100, I-90 + I-10 = 100)  (CRUD, JDB beat me to this one)
Tuscon, AZ/Syracuse, NY:  (I-81 + I-19 = 100, I-90 + I-10 = 100)

That's 4, not counting the one already entered
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: xonhulu on September 22, 2009, 12:33:22 AM
Geez, there are 20 more?  I'll give it a shot:

1.  Portland (OR)/Savannah: 5 + 95, 84 + 16

2.  Dallas/Chicago: 45 + 55, 20 + 80

3.  Dallas/Gary: 35 + 65, 20 + 80

4.  Gary/San Antonio: 90 + 10, 65 + 35

5.  San Diego/Petersburg (VA): 5 + 95, 15 + 85

6.  Toledo (OH)/Las Cruces: 90 + 10, 75 + 25

7.  Syracuse/Tucson: 90 + 10, 81 + 19

8.  Cheyenne/Atlanta: 80 + 20, 25 + 75

9.  Salt Lake City/Atlanta: 80 + 20, 15 + 85

10.  Baton Rouge/Albany (NY): 10 + 90, 12 + 88

11.  Dallas/Indianapolis: 30 + 70, 35 + 65

12.  Des Moines/Birmingham: 35 + 65, 80 + 20

13.  Albert Lea/Mobile: 35 + 65, 90 + 10

14.  Dallas/St. Louis: 30 + 70, 45 + 55

15.  Quad Cities/Columbia (SC): 80 + 20, 74 + 26

16.  Denver/Chattanooga: 76 + 24, 25 + 75

17.  Sacramento/Florence (SC): 5 + 95, 80 + 20

18.  Los Angeles/Boston: 10 + 90, 5 + 95 (dunno why this one didn't occur to me earlier)

All right, this is giving me a headache, guess I'm coming up two short.
(While typing this, looks like some of you got a few of these before me, but I'm too lazy to edit the list now.)

Oh, yeah and what did I win for getting part #1 right?  I could use a plasma TV...
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: jdb1234 on September 22, 2009, 09:57:36 AM
Lake City, FL and Buffalo, WY:

10+90=100
75+25=100
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: Alps on September 22, 2009, 07:03:23 PM
Monterey Park, CA and Buffalo, NY:
710 + 290 = 1000
10 + 990 = 1000

Time to be clever - any other 3di interchanges (there are no others involving a 2di) that add up to 1,000?
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 22, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
Update on the list so far:

1.  Portland (OR)/Pooler (Savannah, GA): 5 & 84 / 95 & 16
2.  Dallas/Joliet (Chicago, IL): 45 & 20 / 55 & 80
3.  Dallas-Ft. Worth/Gary (IN): 35 & 20 / 65 & 80
4.  Gary (IN)/San Antonio: 90 & 65 / 10 & 35
5.  San Diego/Petersburg (VA): 5 & 15 / 95 & 85
6.  Perrysburg (Toledo, OH)/University Park (Las Cruces, NM): 90 & 75 / 10 & 25
7.  Mattydale (Syracuse, NY)/South Tucson (Tucson, AZ): 90 & 81 / 10 & 19
8.  Cheyenne/Atlanta: 80 & 25 / 20 & 75
9.  Salt Lake City/Atlanta: 80 & 15 / 20 & 85
10.  Baton Rouge & Slidell (LA)/Rotterdam (Albany, NY): 10 & 12 / 90 & 88
11.  Dallas-Ft. Worth/Indianapolis: 30 & 35 / 70 & 65
12.  Des Moines/Birmingham: 35 & 80 / 65 & 20
13.  Albert Lea (MN)/Mobile: 35 & 90 / 65 & 10
14.  Dallas/St. Louis & Troy (IL): 30 & 45 / 70 & 55
15.  Bettendorf (Quad Cities, IA)/Columbia (SC): 80 & 74 / 20 & 26
16.  Denver/East Ridge (Chattanooga, TN): 76 & 25 / 24 & 75
17.  Sacramento/Florence (SC): 5 & 80 / 95 & 20
18.  Los Angeles/Weston (Boston, MA): 10 & 5 / 90 & 95
19. Lake City (FL)/Buffalo (WY): 10 & 75 / 90 & 25
(And the ones that were already given:)
20. Houston/Chicago: 10 & 45 / 90 & 55
21. Kansas City (MO)/Louisville: 29 & 35 / 71 & 65
22. Seattle/Jacksonville 5 & 90 / 95 & 10

There's only one "pair" left to find (I put "pair" in quotes because you'll need to think outside the box on this one.)  :eyebrow:

BTW: Grand Rapids & Orlando don't count, since they aren't junctions of two 2-di Interstates.


(From Reply #23) Oh, yeah and what did I win for getting part #1 right?  I could use a plasma TV...

Chris (xonhulu) - it looks like you've got I-skills!
Your prize is an all-expenses paid trip to any city of your choice that currently has a multiplex of four Interstates.  :-P


Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: xonhulu on September 22, 2009, 10:21:17 PM
Quote from: 2Co5_14 on September 22, 2009, 09:15:46 PM
Chris (xonhulu) - it looks like you've got I-skills!
Your prize is an all-expenses paid trip to any city of your choice that currently has a multiplex of four Interstates.  :-P


Nah, more like an after-effect of my job: I'm a math teacher, and unfortunately I always notice number patterns, probably much to my friends' chagrin.

And I'm packing my bags now!!!!

Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: OracleUsr on September 23, 2009, 12:52:43 AM
Um...this is a long shot, but it deals with AZ's funky numbering scheme:

Arizona/Harrisburg, PA:  I-17 + I-83 = 100
I-19 + I-81 = 100

Why?  Because I-10 which connects these two interstates, is a continuation numbering-wise of I-19.
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: jdb1234 on September 23, 2009, 01:33:20 AM
I think the last pair is this:
Kent, TX and Elyria, OH/ Lake Station, IL

10+90=100
20+80=100
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 23, 2009, 07:20:02 PM
(From Reply #29- jdb1234) I think the last pair is this:
Kent, TX and Elyria, OH/ Lake Station, IL

10+90=100
20+80=100


That's correct!  :clap:

That last "pair" was a little tricky because the I-10/I-20 interchange is in the middle of nowhere, about 10 miles from the unincorporated town of Kent, TX (population around 60).  The I-80/I-90 interchange actually has 2 locations (western - Lake Station, IN; eastern - Elyria, OH), with a 277-mile multiplex in between.
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: 2Co5_14 on September 23, 2009, 07:40:00 PM
(From Reply #25 - Steve)
Monterey Park, CA and Buffalo, NY:
710 + 290 = 1000
10 + 990 = 1000

Time to be clever - any other 3di interchanges (there are no others involving a 2di) that add up to 1,000?

That combination is really clever.  I can't find any other pairs yet that add up to 1000...has anyone else?   :-/


Here's an additional idea: how about finding pairs of cities with a 2di & 3-di interstate junction where the 2-di's add up to 100 and the 3-di's add up to 1000.

For example - Ft. Worth (TX)/near Princeton (IL): 20 & 820 / 80 & 180

I'm sure there are many others - I haven't tried to look for them yet.
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: mightyace on September 23, 2009, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: 2Co5_14 on September 23, 2009, 07:40:00 PM
Here's an additional idea: how about finding pairs of cities with a 2di & 3-di interstate junction where the 2-di's add up to 100 and the 3-di's add up to 1000.

For example - Ft. Worth (TX)/near Princeton (IL): 20 & 820 / 80 & 180

I'm sure there are many others - I haven't tried to look for them yet.

That example would also work with the following other I-180s
Lincoln, NE
near Milton, PA
Cheyenne, WY
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: SSOWorld on September 23, 2009, 08:04:34 PM
Quote from: mightyace on September 23, 2009, 07:56:53 PM
Quote from: 2Co5_14 on September 23, 2009, 07:40:00 PM
Here's an additional idea: how about finding pairs of cities with a 2di & 3-di interstate junction where the 2-di's add up to 100 and the 3-di's add up to 1000.

For example - Ft. Worth (TX)/near Princeton (IL): 20 & 820 / 80 & 180

I'm sure there are many others - I haven't tried to look for them yet.

That example would also work with the following other I-180s
Lincoln, NE
near Milton, PA
Cheyenne, WY

Don't forget Middle of Nowhere, IL :P

Chicago/New Orleans  I-90/I-190 and I-10/I-910 (which is US 90 Business - an unsigned interstate) (insert Worcester, Rapid City or Buffalo for Chicago if you wish)
Los Angeles/Buffalo  I-10/I-110 and I-90/990 (Insert El Paso, Baton Rouge, Biloxi or Pensacola for Los Angeles if you wish)
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: mightyace on September 23, 2009, 08:11:36 PM
Near Rochester, NY I-90/390.
and either
Houston, TX or New Orleans, LA I-10/610
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: OracleUsr on September 23, 2009, 11:26:00 PM
Um, 990 + 110 = 1100, not 1000.  Likewise 910 + 190
Title: Re: Play the Game-How Are These Cities Related?
Post by: SSOWorld on September 23, 2009, 11:27:56 PM
Quote from: OracleUsr on September 23, 2009, 11:26:00 PM
Um, 990 + 110 = 1100, not 1000.  Likewise 910 + 190
:banghead: :pan: