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Started by Poiponen13, July 13, 2023, 05:25:53 AM

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Should US metricate?

Yes
38 (55.1%)
No
31 (44.9%)

Total Members Voted: 69

kalvado

Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Post #42345 in this thread: "Nope, still not metric."
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kalvado

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Post #42345 in this thread: "Nope, still not metric."
When will they be fully metric?
is Finland fully metric?

Poiponen13

Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2024, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Post #42345 in this thread: "Nope, still not metric."
When will they be fully metric?
is Finland fully metric?
It has been since mid-19th century. Mexico has been so since 1852. Will any things that are measured in US customary units today be measured in metric in the US in 2044?

SectorZ

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

I think Finland should have all distances measured in smoots. This is needed.

kalvado

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2024, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Post #42345 in this thread: "Nope, still not metric."
When will they be fully metric?
is Finland fully metric?
It has been since mid-19th century. Mexico has been so since 1852. Will any things that are measured in US customary units today be measured in metric in the US in 2044?
Can you show a site of a jewelry store in .fi zone with diamonds priced per gram, then?

Scott5114

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Post #42345 in this thread: "Nope, still not metric."
When will they be fully metric?

When a majority of Americans believe there would be some benefit to it being metric. Most Americans don't find much of a benefit to switching.
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Poiponen13

Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2024, 11:15:30 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2024, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Post #42345 in this thread: "Nope, still not metric."
When will they be fully metric?
is Finland fully metric?
It has been since mid-19th century. Mexico has been so since 1852. Will any things that are measured in US customary units today be measured in metric in the US in 2044?
Can you show a site of a jewelry store in .fi zone with diamonds priced per gram, then?
Every country prices by karats. Also Finland, like every other country, measures TV screen sizes in inches. But still it is considered to use fully metric.

kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 11:42:31 AM
Every country prices by karats. Also Finland, like every other country, measures TV screen sizes in inches. But still it is considered to use fully metric.

Two interpretations of the situation, then:

(1)  Finland is still not fully Metric, because they measure some things in non-Metric units.

(2)  USA is already fully metric, because all US Customary units are legally defined as conversions from Metric.
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Male pronouns, please.

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Poiponen13

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 11:36:09 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Post #42345 in this thread: "Nope, still not metric."
When will they be fully metric?

When a majority of Americans believe there would be some benefit to it being metric. Most Americans don't find much of a benefit to switching.
But the metric system has a benefit of being more logical that US customary, as its ratios will always be powers of 10.

kalvado

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 11:42:31 AM
Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2024, 11:15:30 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:11:23 AM
Quote from: kalvado on February 13, 2024, 10:07:09 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 10:05:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on February 13, 2024, 09:54:47 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 09:35:57 AM
Quote from: Brandon on February 13, 2024, 06:45:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 13, 2024, 02:55:31 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 11, 2024, 04:40:07 PM
Are fractions usually used in metric units? And are there any formal plans to metricate US's road signs entirely?

Interstate 19 is fully metric. None of the others are.

Distances, yes.  Speed limits, no.  I-19 uses US customary speed limits.
I think 100% of US roads should have metric distances and speed limits. I hope that this is true in 2044.

Post #42345 in this thread: "Nope, still not metric."
When will they be fully metric?
is Finland fully metric?
It has been since mid-19th century. Mexico has been so since 1852. Will any things that are measured in US customary units today be measured in metric in the US in 2044?
Can you show a site of a jewelry store in .fi zone with diamonds priced per gram, then?
Every country prices by karats. Also Finland, like every other country, measures TV screen sizes in inches. But still it is considered to use fully metric.
Finland  cannot be considered fully metric until those deficiencies are corrected.

kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:12:43 PM
But the metric system has a benefit of being more logical that US customary, as its ratios will always be powers of 10.

Logic, in this case, is in the eye of the beholder.  I think it's more logical to have a system based on real-world application, and my personal real-life experience has me dividing in thirds and quarters a lot more than dividing by fifths and tenths.

You may think that there's a benefit to having all ratios be a power of ten.  But, unless a substantial number of Americans agree with you—agree with you that it's a benefit to them, and a benefit worth the hassle of switching—they'll see no reason to switch.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Poiponen13

Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:12:43 PM
But the metric system has a benefit of being more logical that US customary, as its ratios will always be powers of 10.

Logic, in this case, is in the eye of the beholder.  I think it's more logical to have a system based on real-world application, and my personal real-life experience has me dividing in thirds and quarters a lot more than dividing by fifths and tenths.

You may think that there's a benefit to having all ratios be a power of ten.  But, unless a substantial number of Americans agree with you—agree with you that it's a benefit to them, and a benefit worth the hassle of switching—they'll see no reason to switch.
I still think that the US should completely metricate, as every other county has done so.

kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:32:22 PM
I still think that the US should completely metricate, as every other county has done so.

They haven't.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:12:43 PM
But the metric system has a benefit of being more logical that US customary, as its ratios will always be powers of 10.

Logic, in this case, is in the eye of the beholder.  I think it's more logical to have a system based on real-world application, and my personal real-life experience has me dividing in thirds and quarters a lot more than dividing by fifths and tenths.

You may think that there's a benefit to having all ratios be a power of ten.  But, unless a substantial number of Americans agree with you—agree with you that it's a benefit to them, and a benefit worth the hassle of switching—they'll see no reason to switch.
I still think that the US should completely metricate, as every other county has done so.

I think that U.S. shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you want them to.

Poiponen13

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:12:43 PM
But the metric system has a benefit of being more logical that US customary, as its ratios will always be powers of 10.

Logic, in this case, is in the eye of the beholder.  I think it's more logical to have a system based on real-world application, and my personal real-life experience has me dividing in thirds and quarters a lot more than dividing by fifths and tenths.

You may think that there's a benefit to having all ratios be a power of ten.  But, unless a substantial number of Americans agree with you—agree with you that it's a benefit to them, and a benefit worth the hassle of switching—they'll see no reason to switch.
I still think that the US should completely metricate, as every other county has done so.

I think that U.S. shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you want them to.
I hate that US does not use metric, at least very much. This oddity should be removed asap.

kphoger

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 12:35:57 PM
I think that U.S. shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you want them to.

I love the ambiguity of that sentence:

( I think that ) ( U.S. shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you want them to )

( I think that U.S. shouldn't convert to metric ) ( based solely on the fact that you want them to )

And I suspect that both readings are accurate.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:32:22 PM
I still think that the US should completely metricate, as every other county has done so.

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 12:35:57 PM
I think that U.S. shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you want them to.

Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:38:54 PM
I hate that US does not use metric, at least very much.

I think that US shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you hate it.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

hotdogPi

All hit points in video games should be converted to metric. In D&D, player HP is typically in the low double digits. In Minecraft, you start with 20 (shown as 10 hearts but half-hearts exist), which means both games are on the same scale. All other games need to convert. No more dealing 9999 or 65535 damage with one hit.

This will allow us to compare Master Chief vs. Gordon Freeman accurately.
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kphoger

Quote from: 1 on February 13, 2024, 12:51:11 PM
All hit points in video games should be converted to metric. In D&D, player HP is typically in the low double digits. In Minecraft, you start with 20 (shown as 10 hearts but half-hearts exist), which means both games are on the same scale. All other games need to convert. No more dealing 9999 or 65535 damage with one hit.

This will allow us to compare Master Chief vs. Gordon Freeman accurately.

Tennis also needs to metricate.  No more 15.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

jlam

The entire planet needs to use the same measurement system: Myanmar's. No more mixed usage.

Scott5114

#745
Quote from: 1 on February 13, 2024, 12:51:11 PM
All hit points in video games should be converted to metric. In D&D, player HP is typically in the low double digits. In Minecraft, you start with 20 (shown as 10 hearts but half-hearts exist), which means both games are on the same scale. All other games need to convert. No more dealing 9999 or 65535 damage with one hit.

This will allow us to compare Master Chief vs. Gordon Freeman accurately.

Eh, not really...the commoner stat block (i.e. what you have if you're nobody special, so probably what you have in real life) gets 4 HP. A level 1 adventurer can have as little as 5 HP (a wizard with a -1 Constitution modifier) or as much as 15 HP (a barbarian with a feat that allows them to reach +3 CON at level 1). So even the buffest starting D&D character is somewhat weaker than a starting Minecraft character (although I don't know what the damage scale on Minecraft runs). And I've had player characters in my games reach the low triple digits in HP before (but that usually happens around level 8 or so, and most people don't play much beyond that because the rules get more and more unstable the further you go past that).

A quick search seems to suggest the most damage that can be dealt by a player on one turn is 846, which requires you to be a bugbear with 20 levels split across five different classes and then roll perfectly on 52 dice at once.  Needless to say if you can actually pull that off you should probably just go to the casino and roll 2d6 for a while. (Just the average roll on that would do 488 damage, which is enough to one-shot everything but a tarrasque and 19 particular dragons.)
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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:12:43 PM
But the metric system has a benefit of being more logical that US customary, as its ratios will always be powers of 10.

Logic, in this case, is in the eye of the beholder.  I think it's more logical to have a system based on real-world application, and my personal real-life experience has me dividing in thirds and quarters a lot more than dividing by fifths and tenths.

You may think that there's a benefit to having all ratios be a power of ten.  But, unless a substantial number of Americans agree with you—agree with you that it's a benefit to them, and a benefit worth the hassle of switching—they'll see no reason to switch.
I still think that the US should completely metricate, as every other county has done so.

I think that U.S. shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you want them to.
I hate that US does not use metric, at least very much. This oddity should be removed asap.

The more anguish I can cause you by not wanting the metric system in the U.S. the better.  Don't forget, I didn't feel this way until you came along.  You made me see the error in my ways.

Poiponen13

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 12:38:54 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2024, 12:35:57 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 12:32:22 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 13, 2024, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13-du-Ha!-Ha! on February 13, 2024, 12:12:43 PM
But the metric system has a benefit of being more logical that US customary, as its ratios will always be powers of 10.

Logic, in this case, is in the eye of the beholder.  I think it's more logical to have a system based on real-world application, and my personal real-life experience has me dividing in thirds and quarters a lot more than dividing by fifths and tenths.

You may think that there's a benefit to having all ratios be a power of ten.  But, unless a substantial number of Americans agree with you—agree with you that it's a benefit to them, and a benefit worth the hassle of switching—they'll see no reason to switch.
I still think that the US should completely metricate, as every other county has done so.

I think that U.S. shouldn't convert to metric based solely on the fact that you want them to.
I hate that US does not use metric, at least very much. This oddity should be removed asap.

The more anguish I can cause you by not wanting the metric system in the U.S. the better.  Don't forget, I didn't feel this way until you came along.  You made me see the error in my ways.
I always get irritated when I think that US doesn't use metric. This should be fixed by metricating US. Canada has metricated its weather and roads, can US do it too?

1995hoo

Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 01:53:07 PM
.... can US do it too?

"Can"? Certainly. "Will"? Almost certainly not in my lifetime.

In case you don't understand the point, it's something about which my third-grade teacher felt very strongly and drummed into us along the same lines of what happened here:



(The same comic strip had a more recent version of the same joke in which a kid discusses the difference between "Can I make it to May?" and "May I go to the can?")
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

Poiponen13

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2024, 02:01:40 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on February 13, 2024, 01:53:07 PM
.... can US do it too?

"Can"? Certainly. "Will"? Almost certainly not in my lifetime.

In case you don't understand the point, it's something about which my third-grade teacher felt very strongly and drummed into us along the same lines of what happened here:



(The same comic strip had a more recent version of the same joke in which a kid discusses the difference between "Can I make it to May?" and "May I go to the can?")
1. Will the US fully metricate in my lifetime (which possibly lasts until early 22nd century)?
2. Will the US have taken the metrication at least one step further in 2044?
3. Will the UK ever metricate its roads and human height?



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