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Tolls proposed for Cottonwood Canyons
vdeane:
I think that says more about Illinois than about tolling. One can also cite Pennsylvania. And Indiana.
i-215:
--- Quote from: triplemultiplex on March 10, 2018, 09:06:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: i-215 on March 07, 2018, 02:29:29 AM ---It sounds silly, but the week I spent in Chicago: The Tri-State Toll Road scared me the hell right out of the state. If I had to live in the midwest, I'd sure be more at ease in Des Moines than anywhere in Illinois. We've been killin' it with the economy out west, and I think untolled facilities are a huge part of that. It's gonna be a big mistake turning the west into the Northeast, imo. Big mistake.
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That's quite the specious argument.
Strange to cite Illinois as an example against tolling when the toll roads are in way, way better shape than pretty much all the 'free' interstates.
That's the end I care about. Is the physical road good?
As an example, if ISTHA took over I-55, that would be marvelous. They'd whip that POS into shape in barely a decade.
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You driven in Arizona, Utah, or Nevada (states that actually fund maintenece). I'll take a Vegas freeway over an Illinois toll road ANY day.
That said, the Illinois toll roads weren't bad. I certainly didn't mean that. But have you driven on US-41? It sucks. Pretty much every north-south running road that "competes" with the toll road is in HORRIBLE shape (as opposed to east-west ones which were strangely good). It probably wasn't intentional, but there's such an over-reliance on tolling there, other roads have suffered.
When roads are funded with fuel taxes or other universal user fees, the maintenance is more equitable across the entire network.
Show me a bad freeway in Utah. In Arizona. In Nevada.
Rothman:
When you only have to maintain half-a-dozen of them, it really isn't a good comparison.
MNHighwayMan:
--- Quote from: Rothman on March 15, 2018, 07:54:46 AM ---When you only have to maintain half-a-dozen of them, it really isn't a good comparison.
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Utah, Nevada, and Arizona also largely don't have to deal with the stresses freeze/thaw cycles and plowing put on roads.
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--- Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 15, 2018, 10:56:39 AM ---
--- Quote from: Rothman on March 15, 2018, 07:54:46 AM ---When you only have to maintain half-a-dozen of them, it really isn't a good comparison.
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Utah, Nevada, and Arizona also largely don't have to deal with the stresses freeze/thaw cycles and plowing put on roads.
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What about the mountainous areas of those three states?
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