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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1500 on: January 05, 2022, 06:53:24 PM »

With all the construction inflation hitting NCDot, how did the bids compare to estimate?
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1501 on: January 05, 2022, 09:36:12 PM »

With all the construction inflation hitting NCDot, how did the bids compare to estimate?

The lowest bid on the beltway came in 2.7% over estimates ($6.9 million). I'm assuming there's some sort of threshold, because it was still awarded, and probably some exceptions are made. For example, the lowest bid for the Green River bridge rehab on I-26 came in 48.8% ($8.8 million) over estimates earlier this year, likely due to the increasing cost of steel. The contract was awarded anyway.

I have noticed several projects lately where all bids were rejected and the project was relet after the engineer's estimate was revised (Dare project R-5014 in the latest let is one example).

A few million here, a few million there... it adds up and delays other projects, which are also going up in cost....

12/21/2021 Letting Northern Beltway, Dare relet
12/7/2021 Letting Brunswick NC 211 (awarded, $24.8 million over estimate)
10/19/2021 Letting Dare rejected, Polk relet
3/16/2021 Letting Henderson/Green River
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1502 on: January 05, 2022, 11:24:35 PM »

I have posted new photos from the US 74 end of the I-73/I-74 Rockingham Bypass project taken by David Gallo:


Along with screen grabs taken from Google Maps Street View images taken in Sept. along the northern part of the project here:
https://malmeroads.net/i7374nc/i73seg11.html#photos

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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1503 on: January 07, 2022, 07:14:39 PM »

I have come across the idea that the western portions of the Winston-Salem Northern Beltway might get tolled.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1504 on: January 07, 2022, 07:28:24 PM »

And the reason why the flyover exists from NC-74 east to I-40 east is because you can expect traffic to jump on Union Cross road, heading south to I-74 east. So that could be a reason why they did that on purpose.

The next phase (I-40 to I-74) might begin in a few months after the section from US-421 to I-40 goes underway next month. So you can say that interchanges are overbuilt, well... not really.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1505 on: January 07, 2022, 11:10:13 PM »

With all the construction inflation hitting NCDot, how did the bids compare to estimate?

The lowest bid on the beltway came in 2.7% over estimates ($6.9 million). I'm assuming there's some sort of threshold, because it was still awarded, and probably some exceptions are made. For example, the lowest bid for the Green River bridge rehab on I-26 came in 48.8% ($8.8 million) over estimates earlier this year, likely due to the increasing cost of steel. The contract was awarded anyway.

I have noticed several projects lately where all bids were rejected and the project was relet after the engineer's estimate was revised (Dare project R-5014 in the latest let is one example).

A few million here, a few million there... it adds up and delays other projects, which are also going up in cost....

12/21/2021 Letting Northern Beltway, Dare relet
12/7/2021 Letting Brunswick NC 211 (awarded, $24.8 million over estimate)
10/19/2021 Letting Dare rejected, Polk relet
3/16/2021 Letting Henderson/Green River

I done quite a bit of estimating on DOT jobs and the usual threshold is within 5% of the project budget. Also in every contract it does says NCDOT (or any municipality really) has the right to reject the bids.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1506 on: January 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM »

When looking at the construction in this street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1507 on: January 10, 2022, 06:40:54 PM »

When looking at the construction in this street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!
street view?
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1508 on: January 10, 2022, 07:44:35 PM »

When looking at the construction in this street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!
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Yes. Street view.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1509 on: January 10, 2022, 11:18:43 PM »

When looking at the construction in this street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!

The green stuff is some sort of hydroseeding. It's basically a slurry of seeds and fertilizer. It helps prevent erosion of slopes until the vegetation can be established.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1510 on: January 11, 2022, 12:42:55 AM »

When looking at the construction in this street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!

The green stuff is some sort of hydroseeding. It's basically a slurry of seeds and fertilizer. It helps prevent erosion of slopes until the vegetation can be established.
Exciting!
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1511 on: January 13, 2022, 09:38:18 AM »

When looking at the construction in this street view, I wonder what all that green stuff on the left is... but it's coming up along nicely!

The green stuff is some sort of hydroseeding. It's basically a slurry of seeds and fertilizer. It helps prevent erosion of slopes until the vegetation can be established.

The matrix in hydroseed is basically paper pulp.  It's mostly post-consumer paper products finely shredded.  They dye it green for aesthetic reasons.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1512 on: January 13, 2022, 11:18:00 PM »

I was going to say it's about time that there some update, especially from Google Street View in regards to progress on the Rockingham Bypass, as now can be seen from numerous roads that will go over or under I-73/74.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1513 on: January 17, 2022, 09:45:25 AM »

When I-40 was widened from the Durham freeway (NC-147) to US-15/501 to six lanes in Durham, it gets very congested. It should have been eight lanes. Now with the Winston-Salem being built with 6 travel lanes, It always makes me think that it should have been 8 lanes altogether.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1514 on: January 19, 2022, 04:06:52 PM »

Is the western segment being built with 4 or 6 lanes? Older plans show 4 lanes but I want to know if it has been updated. Thanks.

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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1515 on: January 24, 2022, 06:13:18 PM »

NCDOT's new Tentative Letting List for Feb. 2022 to Jan. 2023 has just been published. Among the January 2023 lettings scheduled is the I-74 related project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 130 and NC 72 in Robeson County with one interchange. The estimated cost is $20.3 million. After this work is complete, it will leave only a small section south of the NC 130 intersection and Boardman that would need upgrades and then shoulder widening between NC 41 and US 76 to make this section between Lumberton and Whiteville interstate standard. The upgrade of the Chauncey Town Road intersection along US 74/76 in Columbus County to an interchange and the replacement of the Old Lake Road intersection with a bridge is still scheduled to be let in June 2022.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1516 on: January 25, 2022, 04:15:11 PM »

NCDOT's new Tentative Letting List for Feb. 2022 to Jan. 2023 has just been published. Among the January 2023 lettings scheduled is the I-74 related project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 130 and NC 172 in Robeson County with one interchange. The estimated cost is $20.3 million. After this work is complete, it will leave only a small section south of the NC 130 intersection and Boardman that would need upgrades and then shoulder widening between NC 41 and US 76 to make this section between Lumberton and Whiteville interstate standard. The upgrade of the Chauncey Town Road intersection along US 74/76 in Columbus County to an interchange and the replacement of the Old Lake Road intersection with a bridge is still scheduled to be let in June 2022.
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NC 72, not 172, yes?  Does the letting include the bridges over the Lumber, or is that what you meant by the small section south of the intersection?
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1517 on: January 25, 2022, 10:38:44 PM »

NCDOT's new Tentative Letting List for Feb. 2022 to Jan. 2023 has just been published. Among the January 2023 lettings scheduled is the I-74 related project to replace the intersections of US 74 with NC 130 and NC 172 in Robeson County with one interchange. The estimated cost is $20.3 million. After this work is complete, this will leave only the intersection with Creek Road west of NC 72 and a small section south of the NC 130 intersection and Boardman that would need upgrades and then shoulder widening between NC 41 and US 76 to make this section between Lumberton and Whiteville interstate standard. The upgrade of the Chauncey Town Road intersection along US 74/76 in Columbus County to an interchange and the replacement of the Old Lake Road intersection with a bridge is still scheduled to be let in June 2022.
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NC 72, not 172, yes?  Does the letting include the bridges over the Lumber, or is that what you meant by the small section south of the intersection?
Yes, NC 72 (corrected). The small section includes 2 other intersections and the bridges. As far as I know the letting does not include the bridges over and in the vicinity of the Lumber River, though the bridge over the river itself at least appears to be close to current standards (there's also another intersection west of NC 72 at Creek Road, corrected above):
https://goo.gl/maps/Ax7VEkAUnAK6n6sj7

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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1518 on: January 26, 2022, 02:33:46 PM »

Article in Winston-Salem Journal about the awarding of the next Beltway contract has NCDOT official stating that the section from US 311 to US 52 could be open by the end of this year, the entire I-74 section by the fall of 2026:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html

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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1519 on: January 26, 2022, 06:49:16 PM »

Article in Winston-Salem Journal about the awarding of the next Beltway contract has NCDOT official stating that the section from US 311 to US 52 could be open by the end of this year, the entire I-74 section by the fall of 2026:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html
awesomesauce! I can see they are moving fast with bringing the completion date up!
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1520 on: January 27, 2022, 08:34:59 AM »

Article in Winston-Salem Journal about the awarding of the next Beltway contract has NCDOT official stating that the section from US 311 to US 52 could be open by the end of this year, the entire I-74 section by the fall of 2026:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html
awesomesauce! I can see they are moving fast with bringing the completion date up!
So if the beltway is done by 2026, how much work needs to be done on US 52 to bring it to I-77? I only drove over it once, but from what I can remember, that was a decently quality route
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1521 on: January 27, 2022, 09:08:13 AM »

So if the beltway is done by 2026, how much work needs to be done on US 52 to bring it to I-77? I only drove over it once, but from what I can remember, that was a decently quality route

The actual route isn't bad but there are a lot of cross streets and narrow/non-existent shoulders. Massive pavement rehab will be needed on most of the highway.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1522 on: January 27, 2022, 01:01:23 PM »

So if the beltway is done by 2026, how much work needs to be done on US 52 to bring it to I-77? I only drove over it once, but from what I can remember, that was a decently quality route

The actual route isn't bad but there are a lot of cross streets
US-52 is a full freeway with overpasses and ramps between Winston-Salem and Mt. Airy?
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1523 on: January 27, 2022, 07:24:26 PM »

Yes albeit far from modern interstate standards.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #1524 on: January 27, 2022, 09:03:12 PM »

Article in Winston-Salem Journal about the awarding of the next Beltway contract has NCDOT official stating that the section from US 311 to US 52 could be open by the end of this year, the entire I-74 section by the fall of 2026:
https://journalnow.com/news/local/contract-awarded-for-beltway-section-between-salem-parkway-and-i-40-in-winston-salem/article_545851ce-6da0-11ec-a99f-1329a8ec1887.html

I-74 from VA to Hamlet (or so) being done by 2026-27?
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