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tarcanes92

Quote from: noelbotevera on June 30, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
Actually, I-95 doesn't have too much traffic in this state. When my family were going to Lexington, NC for a barbeque fest, our route was I-95 to US 52. Between I-26 and I-40, traffic isn't incredibly heavy.

Do you mean I-85?  I-95 and US-52 do not intersect.  (If you are coming down I-95 from PA, at Petersburg, VA, you would exit onto I-85.  I-85 will take you through Lexington, NC where US-52 joins with I-85.)

But I-85 can be very heavy in traffic, depending on the time of the day and events, between Durham and Charlotte (which includes Greensboro).  While most of the road is 3+ lanes (mostly 4 lanes) in each direction between Durham and Charlotte, there are still a few sections with just 2 lanes in each direction. 

And I-85 does intersect (and duplexes with) I-40 in NC, but it doesn't intersect I-26 until you get into SC.


noelbotevera

Quote from: tarcanes92 on July 05, 2015, 05:22:38 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 30, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
Actually, I-95 doesn't have too much traffic in this state. When my family were going to Lexington, NC for a barbeque fest, our route was I-95 to US 52. Between I-26 and I-40, traffic isn't incredibly heavy.

Do you mean I-85?  I-95 and US-52 do not intersect.  (If you are coming down I-95 from PA, at Petersburg, VA, you would exit onto I-85.  I-85 will take you through Lexington, NC where US-52 joins with I-85.)

But I-85 can be very heavy in traffic, depending on the time of the day and events, between Durham and Charlotte (which includes Greensboro).  While most of the road is 3+ lanes (mostly 4 lanes) in each direction between Durham and Charlotte, there are still a few sections with just 2 lanes in each direction. 

And I-85 does intersect (and duplexes with) I-40 in NC, but it doesn't intersect I-26 until you get into SC.
I meant I-40 to I-85. I-95 also intersects I-26 in SC, though I may have meant I-20.

Third Strike

Saw a map of current and proposed toll roads in 1955:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/US_toll_roads_January_1955.jpg/640px-US_toll_roads_January_1955.jpg

Anybody have any information of the toll road that was proposed from Gastonia to Mount Airy? At first glance it looks like I-77, but I-77 doesn't cross through Gastonia. I'm guessing the idea behind this proposal ended up being I-77 in North Carolina, just altered from Gastonia to Charlotte.

CanesFan27

I've had that on my list to research years ago but never got started on it. 

jwolfer

Quote from: noelbotevera on July 05, 2015, 04:50:36 PM
Quote from: tarcanes92 on July 05, 2015, 05:22:38 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on June 30, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
Actually, I-95 doesn't have too much traffic in this state. When my family were going to Lexington, NC for a barbeque fest, our route was I-95 to US 52. Between I-26 and I-40, traffic isn't incredibly heavy.

Do you mean I-85?  I-95 and US-52 do not intersect.  (If you are coming down I-95 from PA, at Petersburg, VA, you would exit onto I-85.  I-85 will take you through Lexington, NC where US-52 joins with I-85.)

But I-85 can be very heavy in traffic, depending on the time of the day and events, between Durham and Charlotte (which includes Greensboro).  While most of the road is 3+ lanes (mostly 4 lanes) in each direction between Durham and Charlotte, there are still a few sections with just 2 lanes in each direction. 

And I-85 does intersect (and duplexes with) I-40 in NC, but it doesn't intersect I-26 until you get into SC.
I meant I-40 to I-85. I-95 also intersects I-26 in SC, though I may have meant I-20.
I95 also intersects US52 in South Carolina

amroad17

Quote from: Third Strike on July 18, 2015, 08:19:35 PM
Saw a map of current and proposed toll roads in 1955:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3a/US_toll_roads_January_1955.jpg/640px-US_toll_roads_January_1955.jpg

Anybody have any information of the toll road that was proposed from Gastonia to Mount Airy? At first glance it looks like I-77, but I-77 doesn't cross through Gastonia. I'm guessing the idea behind this proposal ended up being I-77 in North Carolina, just altered from Gastonia to Charlotte.
What caught my eye was a toll road (seemingly following US 50) from Greendale/Lawrenceburg, IN to Vincennes, IN (Southern Indiana Toll Road?) and a toll road from Virginia Beach to Nags Head.  Where would that have gone?  Down along the beaches and the Mackay Island NWF?
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froggie

Quote from: amroad17and a toll road from Virginia Beach to Nags Head.  Where would that have gone?  Down along the beaches and the Mackay Island NWF?

In short, south of the Virginia Beach Oceanfront and close to the shore.  The northern end was to be near today's General Booth Blvd/Nimmo Pkwy intersection.  It was slated to pass through Sandbridge, False Cape State Park, and the Currituck NWF instead of Mackay Island.  Presumably, it would have followed or paralleled NC 12 once past Corolla.

Based on old Hampton Roads transportation plans, it appeared to die sometime between 1965 and 1969.

CanesFan27

I take that back I do have some preliminary Google News Archive on the turnpike proposals for NOrth Carolina.

As a whole they were trying to work together with Virginia and West Virginia to basically follow a route similar/parallel to I-77.  There were also proposals in the early 1950s pushed by then NC Governor Scott to build an east-west turnpike similar to I-85 and I-40 today.

Overtures were made to South Carolina to join the proposal but they said no.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=19541230&id=344zAAAAIBAJ&sjid=gHoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3422,4218265&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1734&dat=19571021&id=_dAbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4VAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7133,6025150&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19550729&id=5FhgAAAAIBAJ&sjid=V3ENAAAAIBAJ&pg=5841,5309016&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1734&dat=19500928&id=KBkcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_VAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3730,3536059&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1665&dat=19530819&id=VLkdAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1yMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3376,2324606&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1734&dat=19541001&id=BtAbAAAAIBAJ&sjid=y1AEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6902,5357016&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19500301&id=711gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GXINAAAAIBAJ&pg=3979,12425&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1665&dat=19541009&id=awgaAAAAIBAJ&sjid=YiMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1946,4697658&hl=en

This Miami News article from 1955 said that NC was already working on their turnpike and had authorized 125 miles.  The name of the Virginia portion appears to have been "the Old Dominion Turnpike"

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2206&dat=19550829&id=93hVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Qj8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=2924,4397453&hl=en

I'm thinking that it only went as far as feasibility studies and that's about it. 

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19500609&id=sG1gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=1nENAAAAIBAJ&pg=5346,2659894&hl=en

Appears the cost would be $90-100 million

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1454&dat=19500307&id=8V1gAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GXINAAAAIBAJ&pg=2284,1937212&hl=en

I have notes trying to see if i could come across any more detailed information vs. what I just found in the articles.  The articles give a great start in trying to do further research.  it was just on the drawing board of pages for All Things NC I never got to.

amroad17

Quote from: froggie on July 20, 2015, 09:59:25 AM
Quote from: amroad17and a toll road from Virginia Beach to Nags Head.  Where would that have gone?  Down along the beaches and the Mackay Island NWF?

In short, south of the Virginia Beach Oceanfront and close to the shore.  The northern end was to be near today's General Booth Blvd/Nimmo Pkwy intersection.  It was slated to pass through Sandbridge, False Cape State Park, and the Currituck NWF instead of Mackay Island.  Presumably, it would have followed or paralleled NC 12 once past Corolla.

Based on old Hampton Roads transportation plans, it appeared to die sometime between 1965 and 1969.
Good thing it did.  On one hand, the trip from Hampton Roads to Nags Head would have been much quicker.  On the other hand, Sandbridge would not be the quiet beach it is today and there would be no False Cape State Park.  Much of the land area around this proposed toll road would most likely have been commercialized.  No quiet Corolla and Duck beachfront areas for people to enjoy.
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cpzilliacus

Quote from: noelbotevera on June 30, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
Between I-26 and I-20, traffic isn't incredibly heavy.

FTFY.

North of Florence, S.C. the inadequacies of only four lanes on I-95 - as far north as Petersburg, Va. - is often pretty obvious.
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cpzilliacus

Quote from: wdcrft63 on June 15, 2015, 06:20:58 PM
NCDOT has reached a settlement with environmental groups that clears the way for the replacement of the Bonner Bridge on NC 12, connecting Hatteras Island to the mainland. In return for withdrawal of the lawsuits, NCDOT will cancel its plans for improvements to NC 12 north of Rodanthe and start a new study that will likely recommend moving this section of the highway westward off the island and over Pamlico Sound.
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=11288

Looks to be a done (legal) deal now.

AP via WRAL.COM: Legal deal allows Bonner Bridge replacement, 2 other bridges

QuoteA legal settlement is clearing the way for work to replace the crumbling bridge connecting the Outer Banks as early as next spring, as well as two new bridges on Hatteras Island over precarious areas where the main road is frequently washed out, North Carolina officials said Tuesday.

QuoteThe word comes after environmental groups represented by the Southern Environmental Law Center dropped a lawsuit last week blocking North Carolina from replacing the 52-year-old bridge that was designed to last for 30 years. A legal settlement wrapping up the case was reached in June.

QuoteThe deal calls for a new span over Oregon Inlet parallel to the existing Bonner Bridge, the only link to the mainland from Hatteras Island. Past estimates have put the price tag for the 2.8-mile bridge at about $215 million, but years of delays would raise the price tag. The total extra cost was not yet clear, DOT spokesman Mike Charbonneau said Tuesday.

QuoteThe state also will build a half-mile bridge over an unnamed inlet carved through the island by a 2011 hurricane. The bridge for North Carolina Highway 12 over the now-largely filled inlet through the Pea Island National Wildlife Refuge is expected to cost about $28 million, Charbonneau said. Work on this bridge could start before the end of the year, state officials said. The DOT is scrapping a $79 million contract to build a longer, permanent bridge, according to terms of the legal settlement.
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Third Strike

Just found out that the Gaston Parkway was submitted to the NCDOT for Prioritization, except in a smaller segment. It would run from I-485 to South New Hope Road in south Gaston County. Widening of I-85 from US 321 to US 74 is being pushed for the 2030s, and the rest of the US 74 bypass around Shelby could happen in the 2020s/2030s.

http://gclmpo.org/wp-content/uploads/GCLMPO-Draft-Amended-2040-MTP-Map-1-9-15.pdf

WashuOtaku

Quote from: Third Strike on September 07, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
Just found out that the Gaston Parkway was submitted to the NCDOT for Prioritization, except in a smaller segment. It would run from I-485 to South New Hope Road in south Gaston County. Widening of I-85 from US 321 to US 74 is being pushed for the 2030s, and the rest of the US 74 bypass around Shelby could happen in the 2020s/2030s.

http://gclmpo.org/wp-content/uploads/GCLMPO-Draft-Amended-2040-MTP-Map-1-9-15.pdf


That is currently a draft and not submitted to NCDOT at this time.  Site even posted comments they received so far from it:  http://gclmpo.org/

Henry

Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 07, 2015, 10:19:33 PM
Quote from: Third Strike on September 07, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
Just found out that the Gaston Parkway was submitted to the NCDOT for Prioritization, except in a smaller segment. It would run from I-485 to South New Hope Road in south Gaston County. Widening of I-85 from US 321 to US 74 is being pushed for the 2030s, and the rest of the US 74 bypass around Shelby could happen in the 2020s/2030s.

http://gclmpo.org/wp-content/uploads/GCLMPO-Draft-Amended-2040-MTP-Map-1-9-15.pdf


That is currently a draft and not submitted to NCDOT at this time.  Site even posted comments they received so far from it:  http://gclmpo.org/
Well, they should hurry up and submit it!
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orulz

The Capital Area MPO (CAMPO) has gotten the results of a study for how to reconfigure the I-40/I-440/US1/US64 interchange in the Crossroads area between Raleigh and Cary. This interchange currently has an awful lot of cloverleafs and weaves considering how busy it is.

The study is pretty interesting. It's a fairly constrained area but they want lots of flyovers and even show several alternatives for how managed lanes could be integrated. One of the central issues is that the existing Crossroads flyover and half-exit are too close to I-40, but just closing it would overwhelm the Walnut Street interchange with traffic. Some proposals include adding an interchange on I-40 at Jones Franklin Road, others include keeping the loops and weaves at the 40/440/1/64 interchange but linking them to the entrance to Crossroads instead.

http://campo-nc.us/hotspots/FY15/Final%20CAMPO%20I-40-US%201%20Hotspot%20Assessment%20Report.pdf


The Ghostbuster

Does anyone know if NC 540 will become Interstate 540 when the Raleigh Beltway is completed? Or will only the portion between Interstate 40 (west junction) and US 64/264/Interstate 495 be in the Interstate System?

WashuOtaku

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 15, 2015, 04:35:14 PM
Does anyone know if NC 540 will become Interstate 540 when the Raleigh Beltway is completed? Or will only the portion between Interstate 40 (west junction) and US 64/264/Interstate 495 be in the Interstate System?

The portion that is NC 540 is a toll road and will remain a state highway long after the loop completes.  The section that is now I-540 will not be extended to I-40, NC 540 will meet-up at US 64/US 264/I-495.  Maybe after the toll road has been paid off after 30-50 years, maybe...

Henry

Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 15, 2015, 05:58:36 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 15, 2015, 04:35:14 PM
Does anyone know if NC 540 will become Interstate 540 when the Raleigh Beltway is completed? Or will only the portion between Interstate 40 (west junction) and US 64/264/Interstate 495 be in the Interstate System?

The portion that is NC 540 is a toll road and will remain a state highway long after the loop completes.  The section that is now I-540 will not be extended to I-40, NC 540 will meet-up at US 64/US 264/I-495.  Maybe after the toll road has been paid off after 30-50 years, maybe...
In which case it should be I-640, because that's what the original plans were anyway.
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bob7374

Quote from: Henry on September 16, 2015, 11:20:49 AM
Quote from: WashuOtaku on September 15, 2015, 05:58:36 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 15, 2015, 04:35:14 PM
Does anyone know if NC 540 will become Interstate 540 when the Raleigh Beltway is completed? Or will only the portion between Interstate 40 (west junction) and US 64/264/Interstate 495 be in the Interstate System?

The portion that is NC 540 is a toll road and will remain a state highway long after the loop completes.  The section that is now I-540 will not be extended to I-40, NC 540 will meet-up at US 64/US 264/I-495.  Maybe after the toll road has been paid off after 30-50 years, maybe...
In which case it should be I-640, because that's what the original plans were anyway.
When NCDOT petitioned for the I-495 designation for US 64, they specifically asked for, and were granted, an exemption from changing the number from I-540 to I-640 even though it would now be connected with interstates at both ends. So the number will stay I-540. IMHO they should make it I-640 if only to further differentiate the toll from the free part of the loop: 540=toll, I-640=no toll.

The Ghostbuster

I agree the Raleigh Beltway should have been Interstate 640 to begin with. I also think that toll policy in the Interstate system should have been repealed a long time ago. It may have made sense when all toll plazas operated via toll booths. But with all-electronic tolling becoming the norm, the policy should be repealed.

wdcrft63

Quote from: bob7374 on September 16, 2015, 02:17:40 PM

When NCDOT petitioned for the I-495 designation for US 64, they specifically asked for, and were granted, an exemption from changing the number from I-540 to I-640 even though it would now be connected with interstates at both ends. So the number will stay I-540. IMHO they should make it I-640 if only to further differentiate the toll from the free part of the loop: 540=toll, I-640=no toll.

That's a really good idea, and since 540 is an NC highway it doesn't break any internet rules.

kendancy66

What are these internet rules you speak of?

WashuOtaku


Tom958


wriddle082

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 16, 2015, 03:18:14 PM
I agree the Raleigh Beltway should have been Interstate 640 to begin with. I also think that toll policy in the Interstate system should have been repealed a long time ago. It may have made sense when all toll plazas operated via toll booths. But with all-electronic tolling becoming the norm, the policy should be repealed.

Toll policy on the Interstate system?  Then how did I-355 in IL happen?



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