Interstate 81 in Syracuse

[Rothman]

Travel advisory has gone out that the I-81 SB ramp to I-481 NB at the southern interchange (16) is now closed, with the new ramp scheduled to open in 2025.

This means Contract 2 is well underway.

Saw a rendering that the new connection between I-81 SB and BL 81 NB will have a roundabout in the middle for Brighton Ave...thought it was originally planned to be a signal.  Good thing.

[The Ghostbuster]

Are roundabouts common in New York State? I know there are plenty of traffic circles within the state, but what about roundabouts?

[kalvado]

Are roundabouts common in New York State? I know there are plenty of traffic circles within the state, but what about roundabouts?

At some point, there was a delivery of Roundabout-flavored  Red Bull to NYSDOT, so plenty were built. Now supply run out, and NYSDOT is learning  how to use roundabouts properly.

[Rothman]

Are roundabouts common in New York State? I know there are plenty of traffic circles within the state, but what about roundabouts?

In certain areas, yes.  Compared to MA, traffic circles are actually in shorter supply on average in NY.

[Sam]

https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/racism-by-design-the-building-of-interstate-81

[Rothman]

https://www.aclu.org/news/racial-justice/racism-by-design-the-building-of-interstate-81

Wasn't that posted in this thread already?  The article was written to time with the current debate over what to do with the surplus land -- land NYSDOT no longer will need to own for a transportation purpose.

[Rothman]

I'm hearing that mileage-based exit numbering on I-81 may be implemented as early as next construction season (2024).

Now that I've said that out loud, I probably jinxed it.

(personal opinion expressed)

[The Ghostbuster]

Sweet!

[vdeane]

It will be interesting to see how that works, given that new I-81 southbound won't be traversable without a detour until 2025.

[The Ghostbuster]

Is there anything new to report on this thread?

[Rothman]

Is there anything new to report on this thread?

No.  The first two contracts are progressing through construction, the third contract is still to be awarded, the fourth and fifth are still to be let and the rulings for the lawsuits determining if Phase 2 can proceed have not yet been issued.

Now that the project is in construction and the lawsuits expected to be in NYSDOT/FHWA's favor, there's not much to be reported on, other than progress of the construction.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/jRAK4c8XREezWLk7A
I wonder if the control cities used at Exit 35 will be transferred over to this sign and Syracuse will finally be added as a primary control for Exit 35 once the routes are permanently changed.

[webny99]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/jRAK4c8XREezWLk7A
I wonder if the control cities used at Exit 35 will be transferred over to this sign and Syracuse will finally be added as a primary control for Exit 35 once the routes are permanently changed.

I think you mean Exit 36?  Syracuse is already in use at Exit 35.

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/jRAK4c8XREezWLk7A
I wonder if the control cities used at Exit 35 will be transferred over to this sign and Syracuse will finally be added as a primary control for Exit 35 once the routes are permanently changed.

I think you mean Exit 36?  Syracuse is already in use at Exit 35.

Yeah I meant that. I-81 should really have Syracuse anyway as it goes right to Downtown.  Binghamton is okay for now as it's the next major city south, but when I-481 becomes I-81, Binghamton will be more suited for Exit 34A.

[Rothman]

I'm going to choose control cities for the new signage that'll drive the ones obsessed with them nuts.

[kalvado]

I'm going to choose control cities for the new signage that'll drive the ones obsessed with them nuts.

Limon?

[Sam]

I'm going to choose control cities for the new signage that'll drive the ones obsessed with them nuts.

"Canada" and "Mall" ?

[cockroachking]

I'm going to choose control cities for the new signage that'll drive the ones obsessed with them nuts.

"Canada" and "Mall" ?

Nah. "Bridge to Canada" and "Shopping Mall." NYSDOT precedent for both...

[kalvado]

I'm going to choose control cities for the new signage that'll drive the ones obsessed with them nuts.

"Canada" and "Mall" ?

Nah. "Bridge to Canada" and "Shopping Mall." NYSDOT precedent for both...

Bridge to Canada. Last chance before you are screwed!

[74/171FAN]

In Binghamton we also get "Industrial Park". (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10219615778425534&set=a.10219615811826369)

[roadman65]

It's funny how a change in route number can justify the need to change a control city. Good example is how when the Western Kentucky Parkway became I-69 how the control city changed from Elizabethtown to Henderson.  Does the number change really change the driving habits?  Has the ADT changed since I-69 got implemented at the Western Kentucky and Penryville Parkways changed now that I-69 is routed from one parkway to another?


I'm sure those that have traveled the whole length of the WP are still doing that and haven't changed their start and endpoints cause a new route takes over. Those who have, let's say, driven from Princeton to Elizabethtown before I-69 are still doing it today, and, really, have more people begin to now drive from Eddyville to Evansville because they created a new interstate using two different previous freeways?

[Rothman]

It's funny how a change in route number can justify the need to change a control city. Good example is how when the Western Kentucky Parkway became I-69 how the control city changed from Elizabethtown to Henderson.  Does the number change really change the driving habits?  Has the ADT changed since I-69 got implemented at the Western Kentucky and Penryville Parkways changed now that I-69 is routed from one parkway to another?


I'm sure those that have traveled the whole length of the WP are still doing that and haven't changed their start and endpoints cause a new route takes over. Those who have, let's say, driven from Princeton to Elizabethtown before I-69 are still doing it today, and, really, have more people begin to now drive from Eddyville to Evansville because they created a new interstate using two different previous freeways?

This is the I-81 thread.  Take more general comments on control cities to one of the many related threads on this forum.

[roadman65]

It's funny how a change in route number can justify the need to change a control city. Good example is how when the Western Kentucky Parkway became I-69 how the control city changed from Elizabethtown to Henderson.  Does the number change really change the driving habits?  Has the ADT changed since I-69 got implemented at the Western Kentucky and Penryville Parkways changed now that I-69 is routed from one parkway to another?


I'm sure those that have traveled the whole length of the WP are still doing that and haven't changed their start and endpoints cause a new route takes over. Those who have, let's say, driven from Princeton to Elizabethtown before I-69 are still doing it today, and, really, have more people begin to now drive from Eddyville to Evansville because they created a new interstate using two different previous freeways?

This is the I-81 thread.  Take more general comments on control cities to one of the many related threads on this forum.

You're not a moderator. So shut up!

I'm not the first one to derail a thread, plus this was a response to the previous comment on here. Now if the discussion went further, yes it's valid, but not for you to be a moderator even so. So mind your business.

[vdeane]

It's funny how a change in route number can justify the need to change a control city. Good example is how when the Western Kentucky Parkway became I-69 how the control city changed from Elizabethtown to Henderson.  Does the number change really change the driving habits?  Has the ADT changed since I-69 got implemented at the Western Kentucky and Penryville Parkways changed now that I-69 is routed from one parkway to another?


I'm sure those that have traveled the whole length of the WP are still doing that and haven't changed their start and endpoints cause a new route takes over. Those who have, let's say, driven from Princeton to Elizabethtown before I-69 are still doing it today, and, really, have more people begin to now drive from Eddyville to Evansville because they created a new interstate using two different previous freeways?

Not going to touch the Kentucky stuff with a 10 foot pole (at least not in this thread), but with respect to I-81, given the removal of the viaduct, exit 36 won't exactly be a good way to get to Binghamton anymore, so hopefully the Thruway will update their control cities at some point.  Unfortunately the signage plans I found on the state's design-build site didn't show them doing so, but they also don't show things like I-81's new exit numbers outside the project area, so I can't imagine they're all-inclusive of everything that will happen.

[Rothman]

It irritates me to a disproportional amount that the I-81 exit numbering conversion has been split into multiple contracts.  I can see that it couldn't all fall under the main I-81 project due to probably complicating the EIS, but, altogether, there may be as many as four contracts to get the job done and they have to be coordinated/timed.