Vermont

[froggie]

That's one of the little Vermont peculiarities. Every town- or city-maintained road has a "town highway" number (TH). This includes state and US routes.

It only includes state and US routes where there are segments (usually through villages) that are Class 1 or Class 2 town highways.  VTrans-maintained segments do not have town highway numbers.

[yakra]

That would explain it.  What Jimapco marks as "VT 1" is VT 225.  Always wondered how they came up with THAT.

If you mean how they came up with VT225, that was done to match QC225 next door. A common practice for VT for routes that hit state state line.

[vdeane]

That would explain it.  What Jimapco marks as "VT 1" is VT 225.  Always wondered how they came up with THAT.

If you mean how they came up with VT225, that was done to match QC225 next door. A common practice for VT for routes that hit state state line.

Meant how Jimapco came up with the erroneous "VT 1" label.

[SectorZ]

That would explain it.  What Jimapco marks as "VT 1" is VT 225.  Always wondered how they came up with THAT.

If you mean how they came up with VT225, that was done to match QC225 next door. A common practice for VT for routes that hit state state line.

Meant how Jimapco came up with the erroneous "VT 1" label.

Wonder if it is an intentional error they put in to see if anyone would copy it, proving some sort of IP theft.

[cl94]

That would explain it.  What Jimapco marks as "VT 1" is VT 225.  Always wondered how they came up with THAT.

If you mean how they came up with VT225, that was done to match QC225 next door. A common practice for VT for routes that hit state state line.

Meant how Jimapco came up with the erroneous "VT 1" label.

Wonder if it is an intentional error they put in to see if anyone would copy it, proving some sort of IP theft.

It would be a stupid intentional error, as that road is technically numbered "1". Would be really easy to claim "but I used the VTrans town maps!".

[Alps]

Why is Vermont Route 3 a single digit? 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, and 9 were all New England Routes, and 1/6 were never used because they were New England Routes in other states.

[froggie]

^ Not sure specifically, but I can tell you that the route number predates Vermont's official state highway system (1931), and used to extend further south along what is generally today's VT 133.

[jcroyer80]

Noticed in the most recent STP that Vermont has allocated money in fiscal year 2018 and 2019 for "Public Awareness and Preparedness campaign for replacement of existing sequential Interstate exit signs with referential (mile marker) exit signs."

In the FY2019 Transportation Plan, as recommended by the Governor, construction costs for the "Replacement of Existing Sequential Exit Signs with Referential Exit Signs" are listed for FY 2020 ($145,000) and FY 2021 ($475,000).   

[froggie]

Huh....in the past, VTrans told me that they were going to hold out as long as humanly possible on exit number conversion...I may have to fire off an email.

[Alps]

Huh....in the past, VTrans told me that they were going to hold out as long as humanly possible on exit number conversion...I may have to fire off an email.

Don't poke the bear! Just let them do it!

[froggie]

Clarification, Steve.....clarification...

[Alps]

Clarification, Steve.....clarification...

"Excuse me, Mr. Bear, when did you say your hibernation was over"

[AMLNet49]

Huh....in the past, VTrans told me that they were going to hold out as long as humanly possible on exit number conversion...I may have to fire off an email.

And this might have been as long as humanly possible. With other sequential states finally changing its only a matter of time for the remaining holdouts. Even New York and Connecticut are starting to realize it will be reality soon and have started going in that direction on certain resigning projects.

[froggie]

"As long as humanly possible", as their sign engineer explained to me at the time, was when FHWA outright forced them to.  While conversion is a mandate in the MUTCD, I don't believe FHWA has set a firm compliance-or-else date on it.

[KEVIN_224]

Any roads that could get renumbered besides I-89, I-91 and I-93? I-91 in greater Brattleboro and one of the White River Junction exits would be pretty easy:

1- US Route 5 (7)
2- VT Route 9 West - Bennington (9)
3- US Route 5/VT Route 9 East - Keene, NH (11)
...
11- US Route 5 White River Junction (70)

[Alps]

Any roads that could get renumbered besides I-89, I-91 and I-93? I-91 in greater Brattleboro and one of the White River Junction exits would be pretty easy:

1- US Route 5 (7)
2- VT Route 9 West - Bennington (9)
3- US Route 5/VT Route 9 East - Keene, NH (11)
...
11- US Route 5 White River Junction (70)

Seems unlikely. I-189 is the only wild card here but since it really has no exits, there's no need to number anything.

[cl94]

I mean, I guess they could renumber US 4 and US 7 if they really wanted to. US 4 is easy, especially because 2 and 3 don't change. As far as the others:

4 -> 6
5 -> 8
6 -> 15

IF US 7 got renumbered (not holding my breath), the numbers would be 13, 14, 24, 35.

[vdeane]

Why wouldn't US 4 and US 7 be renumbered?  To not do so would be inconsistent and would be contrary to the MUTCD.

Theoretically it could be argued that exit numbers need to be added to VT 279 as well, since it's a super-2 freeway.  VT 289 is already mile-based.

[cl94]

Why wouldn't US 4 and US 7 be renumbered?  To not do so would be inconsistent and would be contrary to the MUTCD.

Some states have only renumbered Interstates. See Georgia. GA 400 is very much sequential.

[vdeane]

I don't think there were any such states since the 2009 MUTCD, though.  CT and RI are renumbering non-interstates.  IMO GA, PA, and any other state that left non-interstates sequential should go back and fix it.

[froggie]

US 7 would theoretically include the remainder of the Bennington Bypass, so Josh's suggested numbers may be off by a mile or two.

But until I hear back from VTrans, this is all speculation.

[cl94]

If that bypass ever gets built (though it would be nice). Of course, I was saying that about the portion of the bypass that exists, so...

[jp the roadgeek]

Here's the whole list of what I figure VT would look like (I apologize for the squiggled format; no way to align things here).  Current # on the left and new on the right

I-89

                                   
I-91                                          -                    1 A/B
US 4                                          1                    4
VT 132 TO VT 14                  2                    14
VT 107 TO VT 14/VT 100          3                    22
VT 66 TO VT 12                          4                    31
VT 64 TO VT 12/VT 14          5                    43
VT 63 TO VT 14                          6                    47
VT 62 East TO US 302                  7                    50
US 2 TO VT 12                          8                    53
US 2 TO VT 100B                  9                    59
VT 100 TO US 2                          10                    64
US 2 TO VT 117                          11                    78
VT 2A TO US 2/VT 116          12                    84
I-189 West TO US 7                  13                    87
US 2                                          14 E/W            89 A/B
VT 15                                  15 (NB)            90
US 2/ US 7 (TO VT 15)          16                    91
US 2/ US 7                                  17                    98
US 7/VT 104A                          18                    107
US 7/VT 36/VT 104                  19                    114
US 7/VT 207                          20                    118
US 7/VT 78                          21                    123
US 7 South                          22                    130

I-91

US 5 TO VT 142                           1                      7
VT 9 TO US 5; VT 9 West           2                      9
VT 9 East; US 5/VT 9                   3                     12
US 5                                           4                     18
US 5/VT 121/VT 123                   5                     29
US 5/VT 103                           6                     35
US 5/VT 11/VT 106                   7                     42
US 5/VT 12/VT 131                   8                     51
US 5/VT 12                           9                     60
I-89                                          10 N/S           70 A/B
US 5                                          11                    70C
TO US 5                                  12                     72
US 5/VT 10A                          13                     75
VT 113 TO US 5                          14                     84
US 5/VT 25A                          15                     92
VT 25 TO US 5                          16                     98
US 302 TO US 5                          17                     110
TO US 5                                  18                     120
I-93 South                                  19                     128
US 5                                          20                     129
US 2                                          21                     131
TO US 5                                  22                     133
US 5/VT 114                          23                     137
VT 122 TO US 5/VT 114          24                     140
VT 16 TO US 5                          25                     156
US 5/VT 58                          26                     161
VT 191 TO US 5/VT 105          27                     170
US 5/VT 105                          28                     172
TO US 5/PQ 143                          29                     177

I-93

VT 18                                    1                       8
I-91                                            - (NB)               11 A/B

I-189 (figured in future extension to Champlain Parkway)

US 7                                              1                        1
I-89                                             -                        2 A/B

US 4

VT 4A (at grade)                     1                         -
VT 22A                                     2                         2
TO VT 4A                                     3                         3
VT 30                                     4                         5
TO VT 4A                                     5                         8
BUS 4 TO VT 3/VT 4A                     6                         15

US 7

VT 279 TO VT 9                              1                         13
VT 7A                                      2                         14
VT 313 TO VT 7A                      3                         24
VT 11/VT 30 TO VT 7A              4                         35

VT 279

VT 67A TO VT 7A                       -                           3
US 7                                               -                          4 A/B

[froggie]

I-189 (figured in future extension to Champlain Parkway)

No need.  I-189 is not being extended as part of the Champlain Parkway project.

[yakra]

(I apologize for the squiggled format; no way to align things here).

You can use the tt and /tt tags:

I-91                          -                    1 A/B
US 4                          1                    4
VT 132 TO VT 14               2                    14
VT 107 TO VT 14/VT 100        3                    22
VT 66 TO VT 12                4                    31
VT 64 TO VT 12/VT 14          5                    43
VT 63 TO VT 14                6                    47
VT 62 East TO US 302          7                    50
...