Signs in one state about exits, or state highways for another state; BGS

Started by ethanhopkin14, July 16, 2013, 06:49:48 PM

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jfs1988

The spur for Arizona State Route 95 in Parker, AZ has a sign for CA-62, which connects Parker, AZ & Twentynine Palms, CA via Joshua Tree National Park.

https://www.aaroads.com/california/images062/az-095_nb_app_az-095s_01.jpg


luokou

on old US-12 near Walla Walla. Seems WSDOT didn't want to go through the trouble of cutting out the Oregon shield shape - http://goo.gl/maps/WNwcM

codyg1985

Quote from: Road Hog on July 26, 2013, 12:44:33 AM
I've noticed in Texarkana, the signs for the State Line Avenue exit are TxDOT specs, even approaching from the Arkansas side. I guess it's because the exit is numbered 224A-B in the Texas mileage system.

I think also the BGS 1-mile sign for Exit 1 on the Arkansas side is on the Texas side and also TxDOT spec.

There is also a "FM 245" shield for the exit for AR 245 in Texas going eastbound on I-30. Now AR 245 isn't signed at that exit, though.
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ethanhopkin14

Quote from: codyg1985 on July 26, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 26, 2013, 12:44:33 AM
I've noticed in Texarkana, the signs for the State Line Avenue exit are TxDOT specs, even approaching from the Arkansas side. I guess it's because the exit is numbered 224A-B in the Texas mileage system.

I think also the BGS 1-mile sign for Exit 1 on the Arkansas side is on the Texas side and also TxDOT spec.

There is also a "FM 245" shield for the exit for AR 245 in Texas going eastbound on I-30. Now AR 245 isn't signed at that exit, though.

It appears the eastbound gore point is also a Texas sign:

https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.470052,-94.041376&spn=0.001955,0.00305&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=33.470036,-94.041096&panoid=phlRvBJqZggrbWykAPxksA&cbp=12,86.43,,0,-3.37

Brandon

How about for a rest area?  This is in Indiana for Illinois on I-64 westbound.  No idea who put it up, IDOT or InDOT.

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Road Hog

Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 26, 2013, 04:12:48 PM
Quote from: codyg1985 on July 26, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on July 26, 2013, 12:44:33 AM
I've noticed in Texarkana, the signs for the State Line Avenue exit are TxDOT specs, even approaching from the Arkansas side. I guess it's because the exit is numbered 224A-B in the Texas mileage system.

I think also the BGS 1-mile sign for Exit 1 on the Arkansas side is on the Texas side and also TxDOT spec.

There is also a "FM 245" shield for the exit for AR 245 in Texas going eastbound on I-30. Now AR 245 isn't signed at that exit, though.

It appears the eastbound gore point is also a Texas sign:

https://maps.google.com/?ll=33.470052,-94.041376&spn=0.001955,0.00305&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=33.470036,-94.041096&panoid=phlRvBJqZggrbWykAPxksA&cbp=12,86.43,,0,-3.37

Yep. Looks like the contractor who rebuilt that section of freeway did just about everything in TxDOT spec.

tdindy88

Quote from: Brandon on July 28, 2013, 08:42:22 PM
How about for a rest area?  This is in Indiana for Illinois on I-64 westbound.  No idea who put it up, IDOT or InDOT.



That has to be an INDOT sign. I-64 in Illinois uses Clearview font IIRC and the rest area (not Welcome Center interestingly enough) is just west of the Wabash River prior to the IL-1 exit.

broadhurst04


ethanhopkin14

On the subject of Welcome Centers, at the Texas, New Mexico state line on I-10 there used to be a sign in each state informing drivers of the welcome center for the next state that I swear used to be "snuck" in by the state you were going into.  For instatnce, driving westbound on I-10 about a mile and a half before you crossed into New Mexico there was a sign for the New Mexico Welcome Center that was classic NMDOT standards with the multiple poles and the wooden blue sign, and it's counterpart on the New Mexico was clearly a TxDOT sign.

Looks like westbound is a TxDOT sign since it is in Clearview:
https://maps.google.com/?ll=31.973328,-106.582647&spn=0.000703,0.001525&t=h&layer=c&cbll=31.973233,-106.582648&panoid=CjFBi2AXHtT2LTVmlXKRbg&cbp=12,21.14,,0,2.6&z=20

Also seeing how the New Mexico version of the same exit looks like this:

https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=I-10+E&daddr=32.0124929,-106.5834956+to:I-10+E&hl=en&ll=32.003329,-106.582628&spn=0.001406,0.00305&sll=32.01267,-106.583495&sspn=0.001406,0.00305&geocode=FSiT6AEdDJ-l-Q%3BFcx46AEdOaql-SlnRYrF-ADehjGDI0ckPjlghQ%3BFfQi6AEdk6yl-Q&t=h&mra=dpe&mrsp=1&sz=19&via=1&z=19&layer=c&cbll=32.003329,-106.582628&panoid=UWA4J47xf8f8BSOs8k26Ew&cbp=12,33.84,,1,-0.67

I can't seem to locate the sign going into Texas from New Mexico

The state line got a revamping about 5 years ago and a resigning project as well.  But this sign has always been there and I thought it was strange that there was no comma between Anthony and TX, and a period even though the sign uses the postal abbreviation for Texas that doesn't require the period.  Oh, NMDOT.

One last thing about this state line, on the actual state ling, the neighboring frontage road signs the state line to say that one state's maintenance begins and the other one ends.  I know the sign on the far left is a TxDOT sign and the one to the right of that is a NMDOT sign, but it is funny because it looks confusing:
https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=I-10+E&daddr=32.0124931,-106.5834957+to:I-10+E&hl=en&ll=32.000878,-106.583378&spn=0.005623,0.012199&sll=32.024755,-106.587494&sspn=0.002811,0.006099&geocode=FUet6AEdq5Ol-Q%3BFc146AEdOaql-SlnRYrF-ADehjGDI0ckPjlghQ%3BFfQi6AEdk6yl-Q&t=h&mra=dme&mrsp=0&sz=18&via=1&z=17&layer=c&cbll=32.000878,-106.583378&panoid=nZHr6AjOTdwJFzAUtOsXjA&cbp=12,133.7,,2,2.05

Scott5114

MoDOT snuck into Oklahoma to post signage for exit 1 in Missouri on I-44. The previous generation of signs did not have any approach signage, and since the exit is just into Missouri, you used to get a quick succession of Welcome to Missouri, Speed Limit 70, then the first mention of the exit, which was the exit direction sign.

There's lots of instances in Kansas City of KDOT and MoDOT mentioning each others' highways on their own signs, especially the next-three-exits signs in the medians of freeways. The DOTs stay on their own side of the border, making their signs to their own specs, though. However, they do tend to follow the other state's standards–MoDOT signs Kansas highways with the sunflower, and KDOT duly notes Missouri routes in text format as "Route 45" or whatever.
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roadfro

Quote from: Brandon on July 28, 2013, 08:42:22 PM
How about for a rest area?  This is in Indiana for Illinois on I-64 westbound.  No idea who put it up, IDOT or InDOT.



This made me think of another Nevada DOT posting, relating to rest areas:


Image from AARoads

This is on I-80 WB, just after leaving Fernley and approaching the westbound rest area at Wadsworth. The "Next Rest Area" references the Donner Summit rest area on I-80 in California.

It is about 30 miles to downtown Reno from the location of this sign...it's due to this that I've always had to pause and think about the need for this sign when driving by it.
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hotdogPi

Someone mentioned I-95 in MA/NH.

Going south from New Hampshire, it's normal.
Going north from Massachusetts, there is a problem. One sign thinks NH 107 is MA 107. You can see the MA shield instead of the NH shield. Once you enter New Hampshire, it's normal.
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deathtopumpkins

Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2013, 06:08:07 PM
Someone mentioned I-95 in MA/NH.

Going south from New Hampshire, it's normal.
Going north from Massachusetts, there is a problem. One sign thinks NH 107 is MA 107. You can see the MA shield instead of the NH shield. Once you enter New Hampshire, it's normal.

The sign in question: http://goo.gl/maps/giXVw

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PHLBOS

Quote from: deathtopumpkins on August 11, 2013, 12:39:17 AM
Quote from: 1 on August 10, 2013, 06:08:07 PM
Someone mentioned I-95 in MA/NH.

Going south from New Hampshire, it's normal.
Going north from Massachusetts, there is a problem. One sign thinks NH 107 is MA 107. You can see the MA shield instead of the NH shield. Once you enter New Hampshire, it's normal.

The sign in question: http://goo.gl/maps/giXVw

Definite MassDOT install.
Given the vintage of that particular BGS (1990s), it's MassHighway.  :sombrero: 

Anyway, it's not uncommon for adjacent states to use their own style shields for state highways when signing for such  a route that's located in said-other state... particularly if one of the state shields involved is either square/rectangular or the generic MUTCD circular/oval (if 3-digits) shields.  If one state has a more uniquely styled shield (NH's, NY's & PA's come immediately to mind) a neighboring state that is signing for a nearby exit outside of its border is less likely to reproduce a specially-designed (for that DOT) state route shield for said-highway.

OTOH, if both states have unique shapes for state shields (PA-NY border comes to mind); then the extra effort will be made to duplicate the state highway shield for an adjacent state.
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roadman65

I like the one on US 71 NB (State Line Avenue) in Texarkana where there is a TX Loop 14 shield for TX Loop 14, that is in Arkansas style of shield and not traditional TX style.  It is on Arkansas side of the street, which is expected that AR places their own signs on their own side, but it is interesting to see them use their own style and yet respect the other state at the same time.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Texarkana,+AR&hl=en&ll=33.460106,-94.043097&spn=0.006606,0.015278&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=25.761936,62.578125&oq=texar&hnear=Texarkana,+Miller,+Arkansas&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.459875,-94.043102&panoid=fU_BoVFRG8_FMkl690l_rg&cbp=12,14.09,,1,0
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ethanhopkin14

Quote from: roadman65 on August 12, 2013, 12:07:10 PM
I like the one on US 71 NB (State Line Avenue) in Texarkana where there is a TX Loop 14 shield for TX Loop 14, that is in Arkansas style of shield and not traditional TX style.  It is on Arkansas side of the street, which is expected that AR places their own signs on their own side, but it is interesting to see them use their own style and yet respect the other state at the same time.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Texarkana,+AR&hl=en&ll=33.460106,-94.043097&spn=0.006606,0.015278&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=25.761936,62.578125&oq=texar&hnear=Texarkana,+Miller,+Arkansas&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.459875,-94.043102&panoid=fU_BoVFRG8_FMkl690l_rg&cbp=12,14.09,,1,0

That is so weird that you posted that about that sign in Texarkana. I was just thinking about that Loop 14 sign on the Arkansas side of the road and how it looks a tad bit off from the Texas version. I have a picture of it somewhere.

Bud8Amp88

The signs for the last on-ramps on T.C.H. 104 before the Nova Scotia/New Brunswick border have T.C.H. 2 shields on them:
http://goo.gl/maps/QnLhv (Northbound on Fort Lawrence Rd.)
http://goo.gl/maps/6Bs2M (Southbound, same road)
http://goo.gl/maps/buh8y (Leaving the Nova Scotia Visitor Info Centre)

Coincidentally, the top half of the third sign is technically wrong - the road on the right is actually the northern terminus of Trunk 2, so it should read:
{2} [SOUTH] | [TO] [104] [EAST] {6} [SunriseTrail] [GloosecapTrail]
But, as you can see, it's already cramped with plates, so changing it is pointless.


Meanwhile, eastbound on the New Brunswick side, there's advance signage for T.C.H. 104 Exit 1A
Here
Here
And here
Also, here's a service sign on the N.B. side too
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NE2

Quote from: Bud8Amp88 on August 12, 2013, 01:04:29 PM
Coincidentally[sic], the top half of the third sign is technically wrong - the road on the right is actually the northern terminus of Trunk 2, so it should read:
{2} [SOUTH] | [TO] [104] [EAST] {6} [SunriseTrail] [GloosecapTrail]
Judging by this sign and others, the actual beginning appears to be up ahead where it passes under 104.
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Bud8Amp88

Quote from: NE2 on August 12, 2013, 01:42:15 PM
Quote from: Bud8Amp88 on August 12, 2013, 01:04:29 PM
The top half of the third sign is technically wrong - the road on the right is actually the northern terminus of Trunk 2, so it should read:
{2} [SOUTH] | [TO] [104] [EAST] {6} [SunriseTrail] [GloosecapTrail]
Judging by this sign and others, the actual beginning appears to be up ahead where it passes under 104.

That's usually how most maps show it (that, or where it meets Trunk 6 in Amherst), but looking down that road a little, you find THIS and THIS, so the signage is technically wrong. Again, it's pointless to change it since most maps show the start point either where it crosses 104, or at 6 in Amherst - and in that context, the signs are right. So it really depends on what one uses as their reference - the signed terminus, or where most maps show it.

Oh, and I know "coincidentally" was a poor choice of word, no need to call me out on it  :-/
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Road Hog

Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 12, 2013, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 12, 2013, 12:07:10 PM
I like the one on US 71 NB (State Line Avenue) in Texarkana where there is a TX Loop 14 shield for TX Loop 14, that is in Arkansas style of shield and not traditional TX style.  It is on Arkansas side of the street, which is expected that AR places their own signs on their own side, but it is interesting to see them use their own style and yet respect the other state at the same time.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Texarkana,+AR&hl=en&ll=33.460106,-94.043097&spn=0.006606,0.015278&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=25.761936,62.578125&oq=texar&hnear=Texarkana,+Miller,+Arkansas&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.459875,-94.043102&panoid=fU_BoVFRG8_FMkl690l_rg&cbp=12,14.09,,1,0

That is so weird that you posted that about that sign in Texarkana. I was just thinking about that Loop 14 sign on the Arkansas side of the road and how it looks a tad bit off from the Texas version. I have a picture of it somewhere.

Usually TxDOT would furnish the sign for AHTD to mount, I'd think. It's been a while since I drove State Line north out of town, but I remember the signage being a mishmash of Texas and Arkansas to the Red River bridge.

ethanhopkin14

Quote from: Road Hog on August 13, 2013, 11:04:24 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on August 12, 2013, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 12, 2013, 12:07:10 PM
I like the one on US 71 NB (State Line Avenue) in Texarkana where there is a TX Loop 14 shield for TX Loop 14, that is in Arkansas style of shield and not traditional TX style.  It is on Arkansas side of the street, which is expected that AR places their own signs on their own side, but it is interesting to see them use their own style and yet respect the other state at the same time.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Texarkana,+AR&hl=en&ll=33.460106,-94.043097&spn=0.006606,0.015278&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=25.761936,62.578125&oq=texar&hnear=Texarkana,+Miller,+Arkansas&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.459875,-94.043102&panoid=fU_BoVFRG8_FMkl690l_rg&cbp=12,14.09,,1,0

That is so weird that you posted that about that sign in Texarkana. I was just thinking about that Loop 14 sign on the Arkansas side of the road and how it looks a tad bit off from the Texas version. I have a picture of it somewhere.

Usually TxDOT would furnish the sign for AHTD to mount, I'd think. It's been a while since I drove State Line north out of town, but I remember the signage being a mishmash of Texas and Arkansas to the Red River bridge.


I was in Texarkana in March and still from I-30 to downtown, State Line Dr. Is signed by Arkansas on the east side and Texas on the west side.

txstateends

SB on US 69-US 75 before the Red River, across from the OK Welcome Center, is this sign
http://goo.gl/maps/IlwyM

done in TX style with an 'Exit 75' (the first SB exit in TX and the only one during the TX portion of US 69 and US 75's overlap) tab, for the TX Tourist Info Center.  It's done in BGS, not BBlS as is the common usage for tourist bureau guide signs in TX.
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DSS5

Trying to find an example on StreetView, but some signs in Tennessee (or at least Eastern TN) actually say when their pointing to another state, for example a directional sign that points to "JEFFERSON NC"

Kacie Jane

Quote from: DSS5 on August 13, 2013, 06:03:27 PM
Trying to find an example on StreetView, but some signs in Tennessee (or at least Eastern TN) actually say when their pointing to another state, for example a directional sign that points to "JEFFERSON NC"

If they do that as a general rule, then this doesn't apply, but it seems to me that in that specific case, it might just be to prevent confusion with Jefferson City, Tennessee.  That is, if there weren't a city with the same name in the same part of Tennessee, they wouldn't have bothered with the NC.



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