Stop signs that make no sense

[freebrickproductions]

Here's a confusing one:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.390222,-86.909595,3a,66.8y,90.17h,82.17t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sutBmO6lg8yw1jHdF-2qLmg!2e0?authuser=1&hl=en

Making sure drivers are going to be doubly cautious approaching the train tracks?

The thing is is that there are more set-ups like that one in the area (i.e.: 1, 2), and I believe that they are left-overs from the crossings being just crossbucks crossings, but they don't have the stop signs as far back from them as that one did. Here are some other ones that have rather far back stop signs: 1, 2, 3 (not signalized, but it gets the point across).

[SignGeek101]

It's temporary, (new highway being extended west) but still shouldn't be there:

http://goo.gl/maps/kZjVL

[SSOWorld]

At a T intersection in my town, the stop sign is not a the road ending a the T, but on the through road - both directions.  (NOTE TO SELF: don't buy a house in that area - oh shit, too late )

That reminds me of this intersection here in Huntsville:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.658343,-86.52274,3a,66.8y,4.29h,87.8t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s6tPkqkmKwv1Wva_Ws6IEXQ!2e0?authuser=1&hl=en
Though I think it might have something to do with how steep the hill on the road that ends at the intersection is.

I spoke with a neighbor regarding this and another odd stop sign arrangement on the street and the reasoning make sense.  Traffic from the north of the intersections would fly in at 40+ mph (from a rural unicorporated town) into city jurisdiction and it is traffic calming.

[Big John]

At a T intersection in my town, the stop sign is not a the road ending a the T, but on the through road - both directions.  (NOTE TO SELF: don't buy a house in that area - oh shit, too late )

That reminds me of this intersection here in Huntsville:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.658343,-86.52274,3a,66.8y,4.29h,87.8t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s6tPkqkmKwv1Wva_Ws6IEXQ!2e0?authuser=1&hl=en
Though I think it might have something to do with how steep the hill on the road that ends at the intersection is.

I spoke with a neighbor regarding this and another odd stop sign arrangement on the street and the reasoning make sense.  Traffic from the north of the intersections would fly in at 40+ mph (from a rural unicorporated town) into city jurisdiction and it is traffic calming.

So they use a stop sign as a speed-control device, something MUTCD says you shouldn't do?

[SSOWorld]

ok - you can come and pick up the dead children after the idiots run them over.

Tell that to those who put four-way stops near schools.  That is traffic calming as well.

The MUTCD is not the law.

[jakeroot]

ok - you can come and pick up the dead children after the idiots run them over.

What exactly do dead children have in common with stop signs?

https://youtu.be/RybNI0KB1bg

[odditude]

ok - you can come and pick up the dead children after the idiots run them over.

What exactly do dead children have in common with stop signs?

i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the number of children getting hit by speeding cars dropped significantly after the stop signs were installed.

[jeffandnicole]

ok - you can come and pick up the dead children after the idiots run them over.

What exactly do dead children have in common with stop signs?

i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the number of children getting hit by speeding cars dropped significantly after the stop signs were installed.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the number was 0 to begin with.

[spooky]

ok - you can come and pick up the dead children after the idiots run them over.

What exactly do dead children have in common with stop signs?

i'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the number of children getting hit by speeding cars dropped significantly after the stop signs were installed.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that the number was 0 to begin with.

Typically the number is 1, which leads to the initial implementation of a misguided attempt at speed control.

[mrsman]

It's true that speed bumps are the preferred method of speed control, but stop signs are often used because they are cheaper.

But as far as putting 4-way stops near schools, this may be a good thing, because it provides cars with a control at a position where there is a conflict between pedestrians and cars.  Again, stop signs may not always be warranted, but I wouldn't say that it makes no sense, since there is a point of conflict.

[freebrickproductions]

Selma, AL:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.414972,-87.021506,3a,75y,191.32h,81.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdk0EcRsElS13JjoOi6vpQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
The signal does appear to cycle, which makes me wonder why there are a pair of stop signs here.

Here's another one:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.412256,-86.999262,3a,49.8y,168.48h,86.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3D5AbD29ZrNhy1AlOwIX_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

[iBallasticwolf2]

Selma, AL:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.414972,-87.021506,3a,75y,191.32h,81.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdk0EcRsElS13JjoOi6vpQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
The signal does appear to cycle, which makes me wonder why there are a pair of stop signs here.

Here's another one:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.412256,-86.999262,3a,49.8y,168.48h,86.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3D5AbD29ZrNhy1AlOwIX_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

First one: I guess they want you to stop even on a green light. Maybe to keep people from going through that intersection too fast?
Second one: Pretty much the same as the first one but I guess they don't want people flying through left and right turns? Very strange still.

[Ned Weasel]

Selma, AL:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.414972,-87.021506,3a,75y,191.32h,81.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGdk0EcRsElS13JjoOi6vpQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
The signal does appear to cycle, which makes me wonder why there are a pair of stop signs here.

Here's another one:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.412256,-86.999262,3a,49.8y,168.48h,86.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3D5AbD29ZrNhy1AlOwIX_A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

First one: I guess they want you to stop even on a green light. Maybe to keep people from going through that intersection too fast?
Second one: Pretty much the same as the first one but I guess they don't want people flying through left and right turns? Very strange still.

What's interesting is that both intersections have the same two MUTCD violations.

I wonder if either the stop sign or the traffic signal could be legally enforced in either case.

[Big John]

^^ MUTCD Section 2B.04

Standard:
10 Because the potential for conflicting commands could create driver confusion, YIELD or STOP signs shall not be used in conjunction with any traffic control signal operation, except in the following cases:

    If the signal indication for an approach is a flashing red at all times;
    If a minor street or driveway is located within or adjacent to the area controlled by the traffic control signal, but does not require separate traffic signal control because an extremely low potential for conflict exists; or
    If a channelized turn lane is separated from the adjacent travel lanes by an island and the channelized turn lane is not controlled by a traffic control signal.

[empirestate]

Explain this: https://goo.gl/maps/lzOeL

Perhaps it's related to this sign, which of course raises the question of what happens to the road when a commercial vehicle enters it, such that it cannot get out. Oddly, I've driven this road several times, and there's no graveyard of commercial vehicles at the far end of it, suggesting none has ever entered the road. (If it had, it would still be there rusting away, since there was no way for it to get out.) Unless it made a local delivery, that is.

[iBallasticwolf2]

Explain this: https://goo.gl/maps/lzOeL

Perhaps it's related to this sign, which of course raises the question of what happens to the road when a commercial vehicle enters it, such that it cannot get out. Oddly, I've driven this road several times, and there's no graveyard of commercial vehicles at the far end of it, suggesting none has ever entered the road. (If it had, it would still be there rusting away, since there was no way for it to get out.) Unless it made a local delivery, that is.

There is a pretty strange stop sign with those intentions at a private neighborhood I vacation in but I have no pictures.

[Signal]

Green Lane in Upper Darby Twp., Delaware County, PA

That's honestly hilarious. That island is completely unnecessary in the first place.
That being said, there are several others evenly spaced down that street, so it must be for speed control.

[PHLBOS]

Green Lane in Upper Darby Twp., Delaware County, PA

That's honestly hilarious. That island is completely unnecessary in the first place.
That being said, there are several others evenly spaced down that street, so it must be for speed control.

I wasn't disputing the fact that the islands were installed for speed control/traffic calming nor have an issue with such.  The issue is that there's STOP signs installed near these islands as well; unnecessary overkill IMHO.

[myosh_tino]

From the Fisher Price parking garage, of course:

Hey, I remember having one of those!

[iBallasticwolf2]

From the Fisher Price parking garage, of course:

Hey, I remember having one of those!

My grandmother had one too.

[SSOWorld]

^^ MUTCD Section 2B.04

Standard:
10 Because the potential for conflicting commands could create driver confusion, YIELD or STOP signs shall not be used in conjunction with any traffic control signal operation, except in the following cases:

    If the signal indication for an approach is a flashing red at all times;
    If a minor street or driveway is located within or adjacent to the area controlled by the traffic control signal, but does not require separate traffic signal control because an extremely low potential for conflict exists; or
    If a channelized turn lane is separated from the adjacent travel lanes by an island and the channelized turn lane is not controlled by a traffic control signal.

struck out the portion for what applies in Wisconsin as they use stop signs on channelized rights quite often.

[empirestate]

From the Fisher Price parking garage, of course:

Hey, I remember having one of those!

My grandmother had one too.

No statement has ever made me feel more old than that one...


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[jakeroot]

From the Fisher Price parking garage, of course:

Hey, I remember having one of those!

My grandmother had one too.

No statement has ever made me feel more old than that one...

That makes two of us. That toy came out in 1970. How old's your Grandma, Ballistic Wolf?

[iBallasticwolf2]

From the Fisher Price parking garage, of course:

Hey, I remember having one of those!

My grandmother had one too.

No statement has ever made me feel more old than that one...

That makes two of us. That toy came out in 1970. How old's your Grandma, Ballistic Wolf?

Well she is from the late 30s but the toy was bought for her kids I think.

[jakeroot]

From the Fisher Price parking garage, of course:

Hey, I remember having one of those!

My grandmother had one too.

No statement has ever made me feel more old than that one...

That makes two of us. That toy came out in 1970. How old's your Grandma, Ballistic Wolf?

Well she is from the late 30s but the toy was bought for her kids I think.

Oh okay. Your original statement sort of implies that your Grandma was the one using it.