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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2018, 07:31:46 PM »

My thought was if the Illiana ever gets built numbering it 357, just because it's a cool number.

I like it, but I can see Team Blue anti-gun types in Illinois throwing a conniption fit over the number thanks to the .357 Magnum.

I also like the idea of making US 30 across northern Indiana into I-76, then just continuing the I-76 number onto the Illiana.
I prefer the US 30/Illiana freeway, if ever extended West beyond OH into IN & IL, to end up as I-80 - get rid of the OH/IN 80-90 Multiplex. I-76 would be my 2nd choice, if such a thing comes to pass
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2018, 09:12:06 AM »

My thought was if the Illiana ever gets built numbering it 357, just because it's a cool number.
I like it, but I can see Team Blue anti-gun types in Illinois throwing a conniption fit over the number thanks to the .357 Magnum.

Kind of like how Team Red's Jesus people got US 666 renumbered?
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2018, 09:15:01 AM »

As much as I'd like to see US 30 turned into an Interstate-grade freeway, the Toll Road will never allow that to happen, because of some no-compete clause. What's the radius for that restriction, 50 miles?
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2018, 09:26:54 AM »

My thought was if the Illiana ever gets built numbering it 357, just because it's a cool number.
I like it, but I can see Team Blue anti-gun types in Illinois throwing a conniption fit over the number thanks to the .357 Magnum.

Kind of like how Team Red's Jesus people got US 666 renumbered?

Or I-420?
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2018, 03:38:46 AM »

Kind of like how Team Red's Jesus people got US 666 renumbered?

I had heard they renumbered it due to sign theft.  In any case it's US 491 now, so just remember, 491 is the Secretly Evil Number.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #55 on: January 16, 2018, 04:07:03 PM »

As much as I'd like to see US 30 turned into an Interstate-grade freeway, the Toll Road will never allow that to happen, because of some no-compete clause. What's the radius for that restriction, 50 miles?
While it is in another state isn't I-94 less than 50 miles away? It can't be much more than that.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #56 on: January 16, 2018, 04:47:47 PM »

As much as I'd like to see US 30 turned into an Interstate-grade freeway, the Toll Road will never allow that to happen, because of some no-compete clause. What's the radius for that restriction, 50 miles?

While it is in another state isn't I-94 less than 50 miles away? It can't be much more than that.

However, it was built long before the Toll Road was rented out to the consortium.  And, as you mention, it is in another state and therefore not subject to the agreement between the consortium and the State of Indiana.  MDOT can do as they like with I-94.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2018, 06:33:06 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2018, 06:34:08 PM »

As much as I'd like to see US 30 turned into an Interstate-grade freeway, the Toll Road will never allow that to happen, because of some no-compete clause. What's the radius for that restriction, 50 miles?
While it is in another state isn't I-94 less than 50 miles away? It can't be much more than that.
More like 40 miles, I-69's exit with I-94 (the interchange near Battle Creek) is exit 38.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2018, 09:31:56 AM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.

That's not a decision MDOT can make.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #60 on: January 17, 2018, 01:48:19 PM »

How in the hell could I-94 in MI be considered a shunpiking alternative to I-80/90 through IN?
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #61 on: January 17, 2018, 02:33:36 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.


But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant. 
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #62 on: January 17, 2018, 04:36:58 PM »

How in the hell could I-94 in MI be considered a shunpiking alternative to I-80/90 through IN?
It's not, once your in Michigan on I-94 it would be well out of your way to use it as an alternate route to I-80/90. If you're going to do that using US 12 until at least Sturgis and more so US 20 would be the better alternate. Even US 6 would be a better alternate route depending on if you want to bypass Toledo.

But if you are using I-94 as an alternate to I-80/90 I'd say you're going about 90 to 100 miles out of your way just to bypass a Toll Road.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2018, 04:37:48 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.


But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #64 on: January 17, 2018, 04:45:05 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?

Shouldn't we be asking you that?  You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2018, 04:46:12 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?

Shouldn't we be asking you that?  You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #66 on: January 17, 2018, 04:50:20 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that?  You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.

Ah.  But they can't.  MDOT can't just decide to move an Interstate designation onto another highway.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #67 on: January 17, 2018, 04:53:56 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that?  You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.

Ah.  But they can't.  MDOT can't just decide to move an Interstate designation onto another highway.
Nope but when they were planning I-94 in Michigan they could have most likely chose that route instead if they wanted to. I think it's more north so it's in line with Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Jackson and Ann Arbor.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #68 on: January 17, 2018, 05:00:05 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that?  You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.

Ah.  But they can't.  MDOT can't just decide to move an Interstate designation onto another highway.
Nope but when they were planning I-94 in Michigan they could have most likely chose that route instead if they wanted to. I think it's more north so it's in line with Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Jackson and Ann Arbor.

The current routing goes back in planning to at least 1955.

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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #69 on: January 17, 2018, 08:33:40 PM »

I like how that 1955 map has the US 50(IL)/150(IN) route for what we know now as I-64 (which is partially built in both states) and not the route that came to be, via Mt Vernon, IL and Evansville, IN
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #70 on: January 17, 2018, 09:53:44 PM »

I like how that 1955 map has the US 50(IL)/150(IN) route for what we know now as I-64 (which is partially built in both states) and not the route that came to be, via Mt Vernon, IL and Evansville, IN

Based on the bend in the Ohio River between Cairo and Paducah, that map also appears to show I-57 running farther west south of I-64 as well.
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Re: I-57 in Chicago
« Reply #71 on: January 17, 2018, 10:39:42 PM »

MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line if they wanted to and there wouldn't be anything INDOT or the state of Indiana could do about it.
But they didn't. And they aren't going to move it. So the discussion is pretty much irrelevant.
No kidding they aren't going to move it, how did that even become a suggestion?
Shouldn't we be asking you that?  You're the one who said "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."
I said they could run it there, I didn't suggest them to do so.

Ah.  But they can't.  MDOT can't just decide to move an Interstate designation onto another highway.
Nope but when they were planning I-94 in Michigan they could have most likely chose that route instead if they wanted to. I think it's more north so it's in line with Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Jackson and Ann Arbor.


Your original statement was "MDOT could run I-94 just north of the state line."  No they can't.

If you would have said "MDOT could have run I-94 just north of the state line..." perhaps it would have been accurate.
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