From A.V. Club:
Start saying your goodbyes to your car's CD playerQuoteAs the Los Angeles Times reports, Hyundai has announced that its 2016 line of cars will feature a new touchscreen audio system that communes via Bluetooth with your Apple or Android phones and can support third-party apps–but doesn't take CDs. And while it's only certain models that will take on the new Display Audio System at first, it's yet another portent for an eventual end to the technology, with in-car CD players seemingly destined to go the way of tape decks, eight-tracks, and having a banjo player on your rumble seat. After all, there is the old familiar saying, "As Hyundai goes, so goes Americans who drive Hyundais because they just sort of got talked into it at Carmax."
FULL ARTICLE HERE (http://markholtz.info/14-)
From Los Angeles Times:
Hyundai abandoning car CD players: Am I the only one still listening?QuoteCould car compact disc players soon become a thing of the past? For Hyundai the answer looks to be yes.
At the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas last week, the carmaker debuted its new take on the in-dash audio console.
Hyundai's new Display Audio System features a flashy touchscreen interface that doesn't include a CD player. Instead it's a Bluetooth-driven display that can be synced to Apple or Android phones and will support third-party apps. So navigation, calls, podcasts, news, sports and whatever else you put on your mobile phone are now at your fingertips in the car.
FULL ARTICLE HERE (http://markholtz.info/150)
We need to go back to records.
Quote from: ZLoth on January 24, 2015, 12:06:56 PM
From A.V. Club:
Start saying your goodbyes to your car's CD playerQuoteAs the Los Angeles Times reports, Hyundai has announced that its 2016 line of cars will feature a new touchscreen audio system that communes via Bluetooth with your Apple or Android phones and can support third-party apps–but doesn't take CDs. And while it's only certain models that will take on the new Display Audio System at first, it's yet another portent for an eventual end to the technology, with in-car CD players seemingly destined to go the way of tape decks, eight-tracks, and having a banjo player on your rumble seat. After all, there is the old familiar saying, "As Hyundai goes, so goes Americans who drive Hyundais because they just sort of got talked into it at Carmax."
Thanks for the warning. Yet another reason for me to keep running my cars until they die.
Quote from: ZLoth on January 24, 2015, 12:06:56 PM
From A.V. Club:
Start saying your goodbyes to your car's CD playerQuoteAs the Los Angeles Times reports, Hyundai has announced that its 2016 line of cars will feature a new touchscreen audio system that communes via Bluetooth with your Apple or Android phones and can support third-party apps–but doesn't take CDs. And while it's only certain models that will take on the new Display Audio System at first, it's yet another portent for an eventual end to the technology, with in-car CD players seemingly destined to go the way of tape decks, eight-tracks, and having a banjo player on your rumble seat. After all, there is the old familiar saying, "As Hyundai goes, so goes Americans who drive Hyundais because they just sort of got talked into it at Carmax."
FULL ARTICLE HERE (http://markholtz.info/14-)
I have it on good authority (relatives from West Virginia), that having a banjo player on your rumble seat will never, ever go out of style.
I would KILL to have a banjo played as I drive.
My car already doesn't have a CD player.... its actually a DVD player :P
I'm not sure why they would get rid of CD players in cars. They don't take up that much space and you can still buy new albums that are on a CD. Heck just go to a Super Walmart where they have several isles of new CDs for sale. I just bought a new CD last week.
Can you even still buy CDs?
It doesn't surprise me. I don't drive much, but when I do, I don't bring a CD with me or keep one in the car. It's easier listening off your phone or on the radio (despite the fact that the radio has bad music and plenty of ads IMO).
I think it was just a matter of time. I can't see cars in 15 years from now still having CD players.
Looks like an interface that might actually make enforcement of the hands-free-only-do-no-touch-the-cell-phone laws kind of moot.
I'd already have a problem if I had to replace my car because my current stereo plays DVD-Audio and I love it. While the format flopped commercially, I have software to burn my own DVD-Audio discs and I do so in order to take advantage of the format's high storage capacity and to put high-rez music on something I can play in the car. The mixed DVD I burned last fall prior to our trip south for Christmas played for a good seven hours without repeating anything. High-rez discs don't allow for storing as much music, of course, but they blow away the crappy sound you get with Bluetooth streaming or lossy-compressed .MP3 or the like.
How times change.....40 years ago, a lot of people's music sounded crummy due to inferior stereo equipment. Nowadays, a lot of people's music sounds crummy from the get-go because they encode it in the wrong format.
I'm guessing if/when the time comes for a new car (which I hope won't be for a long time) I may wind up exploring aftermarket stereos.
Quote from: realjd on January 24, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Can you even still buy CDs?
Yes, and in a lot of places. Amazingly, you can even buy used ones! What a concept.
I have tons of CDs and still buy them - both new and used - but I typically drive to the Ipod via the Aux in jack (uploaded from CDs mostly). I hadn't actually used the CD player in awhile and when I put in a CD recently, it ejected it immediately and insisted there was already a CD in the unit. Now every time I turn the unit on, half the time it says there is one already in.
I still want full albums and good sound quality (at least at home), and I'll take the hit in the car. The bad speaker placement and stock unit sound, coupled with half the car rattling all the time make any loss of sound quality from decently encoded MP3s (256 bit rate +) minimal.
My wife, however, drives around to CDs as her car has no Aux jack, and I'm too lazy to get around to rigging something up through the unused rear changer port or some other solution.
Quote from: Brandon on January 24, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: realjd on January 24, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Can you even still buy CDs?
Yes, and in a lot of places. Amazingly, you can even buy used ones! What a concept.
I buy most of my audio books in the used book store market. If I don't like to book enough to keep it, I can resell it and recoup some of the expense.
Musically, I tend to like offbeat stuff, also fun and easy to find on used CD racks.
Quote from: US 41 on January 24, 2015, 03:53:59 PM
I'm not sure why they would get rid of CD players in cars. They don't take up that much space and you can still buy new albums that are on a CD. Heck just go to a Super Walmart where they have several isles of new CDs for sale. I just bought a new CD last week.
Tape decks didn't take up much room either. I imagine CD players have lasted in cars for the sole reason that they're cheap to add to a sound system. I doubt most people use them.
Remember when entire stores were dedicated to music, not a few aisles or bins at Walmart?
Good riddens.
I haven't used a CD in years, although my Subaru came with a player. I use Bluetooth and my iPhone to play Spotify. I pay for the premium version for $10/month and have a virtually unlimited range of music through their great discovery service (Browse and Radio), and can still put physical tracks on it via my Mac (from a CD, iTunes and else). When it syncs to my phone over WiFi, it stores a physical copy on my phone, which isn't a problem, and allows me to not use data while on the road.
I only have a handful of CD's, and they are in storage and will probably never be used again. All of them are on Spotify or have long since been synced.
I remember when we bought our Nissan Pathfinder new in 2003. It came with a CD player and a tape deck. The tape deck actually comes in handy to play music from my iPhone since it doesn't have an AUX input jack for my bluetooth device.
CD's are always more expensive and the selection is always less than what you can find on Spotify or any similar application, like iHeartRadio.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 24, 2015, 06:04:22 PM
Remember when entire stores were dedicated to music, not a few aisles or bins at Walmart?
Pretty much just a handful of independents now. Best Buy was the last big chain it seemed to have a reasonable selection of new CDs. I used to make quite a lot of trips to independent record stores. Now it's the rare treat to get up to Princeton Record Exchange (always walking out with a stack of $1/$2 CDs) or maybe Vintage Vinyl.
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on January 24, 2015, 06:12:43 PM
CD's are always more expensive and the selection is always less than what you can find on Spotify or any similar application, like iHeartRadio.
You get what you pay for. I still like the liner notes/etc, and at least having good sound quality, even if I don't always take advantage of it when uploading to my Ipod. Selection is still good if you buy online, and Amazon sells many CDs with a feature where it will also let you download MP3 versions immediately while you wait for the disc. And full MP3 albums sold online still aren't always that much cheaper than CDs.
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on January 24, 2015, 06:12:43 PMCD's are always more expensive and the selection is always less than what you can find on Spotify or any similar application, like iHeartRadio.
IHeartRadio = Clear Channel. Fuck that action. They've done enough to dumb down music and broadcasting on their own. They certainly do not need more support in making the world a worse place for music and radio.
It's the lack of an AUX port that annoys me (VW and Mitsubishi seem to be phasing them out). Bluetooth + Data signal uses up battery life, but on the other hand, it seems that USB ports are becoming more and more ubiquitous.
I still buy a few CDs per year, and it's nice to pop them in and have a listen, rather than waiting to get home and encode it. But if the larger market doesn't have a use for them, they're just going to disappear.
Quote from: formulanone on January 24, 2015, 07:13:16 PM
It's the lack of an AUX port that annoys me (VW and Mitsubishi seem to be phasing them out). Bluetooth + Data signal uses up battery life, but on the other hand, it seems that USB ports are becoming more and more ubiquitous.
USB ports can be problematic. On many cars, plugging via USB requires the music to be accessed through the radio interface, which is often poorly designed for the purposes of browsing music on a portable device. Worse yet, most of the ones I have used simply pick the first track alphabetically and start playing it. This can make one sick of one's first song very quickly.
I would greatly prefer a USB connection that functioned like an aux port. Or, better yet, why the hell isn't Apple making in-dash audio (or anything else) systems yet?
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 24, 2015, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 24, 2015, 07:13:16 PM
It's the lack of an AUX port that annoys me (VW and Mitsubishi seem to be phasing them out). Bluetooth + Data signal uses up battery life, but on the other hand, it seems that USB ports are becoming more and more ubiquitous.
USB ports can be problematic. On many cars, plugging via USB requires the music to be accessed through the radio interface, which is often poorly designed for the purposes of browsing music on a portable device. Worse yet, most of the ones I have used simply pick the first track alphabetically and start playing it. This can make one sick of one's first song very quickly.
That's some of the cars I've rented; they go through the catalog on my iPod, but 8000 songs takes 10 minutes to sort every time you start up the car...so there's no sound for a while. Some others don't take very long to sort, but I guess it depends on how it responds to the iPod, some force you to use the head unit's interface/buttons, and others allow some freedom to use either the MP3 player's controls or the steering wheel's controls or the radio unit's buttons.
Speaking of Hyundais, the 2011-13 Elantra/Sonatas would come up with odd filenames when you popped in your iPod (on all random songs) through the USB port:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.formulanone.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F10%2FF00abarHyundai.jpg&hash=c04d0299d4754d8afac940a1b4a6c12ba62b9ed6)
(...the song was Rush's Tom Sawyer, BTW)
QuoteI would greatly prefer a USB connection that functioned like an aux port.
See above.
The JVC aftermarket head unit in my car will play CDs, but the CD slot is used more for holding the mount to my cell phone or iPod. (The "Grip" model found at this link: http://www.amazon.com/Mountek-nGroove-Universal-Phones-Devices/dp/B004G1L52Q }
It has a USB port that will control an iPod/iPhone - but as noted by others, it doesn't work that well. It also reads USB flash drives and that's where my music now lives. The iPod is connected to the AUX port and is used exclusively for listening to podcasts (it's only got 8GB capacity.)
I picked up a "mech-less" head unit to go into the wife's van. Not only does it not have a CD player, it doesn't have an AM tuner in it either. Just FM, USB, AUX, and an SD card slot. Picked it up pre-holidays at Fry's for $20.
I prefer buying CDs to digital music files. With CDs, you always have a physical copy of your music which you can rip to digital, or make a copy to give to friends play the homemade version and store the one you bought in a safe place.
I prefer an AUX jack to a Bluetooth connection. For one, what if your device is already linked to a BT device, such as a BT keyboard for an iPhone or iPad? And there's the fact that the iPod Classic doesn't have Bluetooth onboard.
The first vehicle I ever owned with a CD player was my 2000 Toyota truck, which had a dual CD/cassette player. I used both, since I had a bunch of cassettes, and a cassette adapter for my digital music players (first an Archos Jukebox; later my iPod). I previously used a cassette adapter to play CDs in my older vehicles through a Discman portable CD player; as they seemed to work better than FM modulators. I ended up replacing the factory unit in my truck with a JVC that has both an AUX port (which I could use to play cassettes with my old Sony Walkman if I wanted) and a USB port that will work with a USB stick but I use with my iPod.
The problem with Spotify, Pandora or any of those services is that they require a cellular signal in order to work. Most of eastern Kentucky has terrible cell phone reception.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 24, 2015, 07:30:17 PM
I would greatly prefer a USB connection that functioned like an aux port. Or, better yet, why the hell isn't Apple making in-dash audio (or anything else) systems yet?
It's happening. That's basically the point of Apple's CarPlay and the equivalent Android Auto–it provides a standard way for car head units to display app information, maps, media, and so on.
Sometimes I'd rather just buy a CD than get an iTunes headache. I get them every time I use it.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 24, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
I prefer buying CDs to digital music files. With CDs, you always have a physical copy of your music which you can rip to digital, or make a copy to give to friends play the homemade version and store the one you bought in a safe place.
You could always just burn the digital files to CDs when you get them and then you have your physical copy.
The CD player has moving parts, which probably don't react well to lots of offroading. Besides, they have nowhere near the capacity of a MP3 player... and with Bluetooth I don't even have to take my phone out of my pocket.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2015, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 24, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
I prefer buying CDs to digital music files. With CDs, you always have a physical copy of your music which you can rip to digital, or make a copy to give to friends play the homemade version and store the one you bought in a safe place.
You could always just burn the digital files to CDs when you get them and then you have your physical copy.
That's what I usually prefer to do. Generally the only time I buy CDs anymore is when they're direct from the label and/or signed by the artist, but they're still my preferred medium when driving. I'm not into Pandora/Spotify/etc, and a lot of what I listen to isn't on there anyway.
I get CDs from bands. I mean, those digital download cards are a nice idea, but they get lost. CDs are still the most effective way for a band to put their music directly into the hands of the people going out to see them.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 24, 2015, 04:49:00 PM
I'd already have a problem if I had to replace my car because my current stereo plays DVD-Audio and I love it. While the format flopped commercially, I have software to burn my own DVD-Audio discs and I do so in order to take advantage of the format's high storage capacity and to put high-rez music on something I can play in the car. The mixed DVD I burned last fall prior to our trip south for Christmas played for a good seven hours without repeating anything. High-rez discs don't allow for storing as much music, of course, but they blow away the crappy sound you get with Bluetooth streaming or lossy-compressed .MP3 or the like.
Discs have been superseded by solid state storage for the most part in cars. My car came with the following options
-Dual SDHD card slots (can take up to 32GB cards and will play uncompressed WAV files)
-In dash jukebox with roughly 25GB of free space. You can rip media directly off CDs or other connected devices with it.
-The DVD player which can read data discs
-A2DP Bluetooth audio streaming from a cell phone or equipped iPod.
-The "Audi music interface" in the glove box. This takes cables for iPod (30 and lightning), USB, aux-in (including video). VW uses a similar connection in their cars, so that is where the missing aux-in went.
-The radio. It has HD Radio and Sirius, but alas no AM Stereo.
QuoteI'm guessing if/when the time comes for a new car (which I hope won't be for a long time) I may wind up exploring aftermarket stereos.
Very few cars today have stereos that aren't integrated into the rest of the car's systems and sitting in a standard DIN mount in the dash.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2015, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 24, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
I prefer buying CDs to digital music files. With CDs, you always have a physical copy of your music which you can rip to digital, or make a copy to give to friends play the homemade version and store the one you bought in a safe place.
You could always just burn the digital files to CDs when you get them and then you have your physical copy.
If you buy the files from iTunes, as many people do, they're still lower-fidelity. Sources like HDTracks are a different matter.
iTunes is the ideal source for people more concerned with convenience that with how their music sounds. Unfortunately, a lot of younger people these days have been brainwashed to think that's all that matters.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 25, 2015, 09:38:37 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 24, 2015, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 24, 2015, 08:48:51 PM
I prefer buying CDs to digital music files. With CDs, you always have a physical copy of your music which you can rip to digital, or make a copy to give to friends play the homemade version and store the one you bought in a safe place.
You could always just burn the digital files to CDs when you get them and then you have your physical copy.
If you buy the files from iTunes, as many people do, they're still lower-fidelity. Sources like HDTracks are a different matter.
iTunes is the ideal source for people more concerned with convenience that with how their music sounds. Unfortunately, a lot of younger people these days have been brainwashed to think that's all that matters.
I know a lot of younger people who just download their music for free and don't mess with Itunes. The YTD Downloader seems to be the most popular among them.
iTunes has other issues as well. It's just not a simple interface and transferring files between devices is a pain. It's why I dumped it long ago and went to a cloud (and physical file) service, like Spotify. And with Spotify, you have the option of playing music at 320 kbps. A radio is generally 128 kbps, and a MP3/CD file is around 160 kbps. Even in some high end audio systems, there is no noticeable difference in sound quality between Spotify and a CD.
Call me old. Call me stubborn. I hate change. I am not technologically up to date. I have a dumb-phone, just "moved up" to CDs about 10 years ago (by installing a radio/CD player in my '83 Grand Prix) and I actually own several CDs. I am not a fan of CD players disappearing from new cars. It's just not fair for those of us who don't try to keep up w/Mr. Roboto and Rosie the robot maid from the Jetsons.
Bandit and xcellntbuy...bring back vinyl records! :nod:
I have a tape deck that doesn't work and a radio where the display is dead so I count clicks from presets. Both were like that when I bought the truck. Honestly doesn't bother me enough to do anything about it.
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on January 25, 2015, 10:34:13 AM
iTunes has other issues as well. It's just not a simple interface and transferring files between devices is a pain. It's why I dumped it long ago and went to a cloud (and physical file) service, like Spotify. And with Spotify, you have the option of playing music at 320 kbps. A radio is generally 128 kbps, and a MP3/CD file is around 160 kbps. Even in some high end audio systems, there is no noticeable difference in sound quality between Spotify and a CD.
Even better, those pesky artists whose occupation is to make the music get even less from Spotify than from the CD sale, which was little to begin with so you can let yourself off the hook.
Quote from: realjd on January 24, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Can you even still buy CDs?
I rarely do. I download MP3's and back them up on an external HD. I have an MP3 port in my new van so have been using it to play music.
SWIM is into piracy, and he said the best place to find music is on Soulseek. You can find pretty much anything there including some very obscure stuff.
Quote from: cjk374 on January 25, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
Bandit and xcellntbuy...bring back vinyl records! :nod:
That's happening.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKWWkgdg.png&hash=427c8b16b3fbf54116b9439619b644ee703ad19d)
Vinyl records never really disappeared, they just sold less for a while. In the context of this thread, though, where the focus is on playing music in the car, I think there are pretty good reasons for not trying to play LPs there!
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 26, 2015, 07:40:59 AM
Vinyl records never really disappeared, they just sold less for a while. In the context of this thread, though, where the focus is on playing music in the car, I think there are pretty good reasons for not trying to play LPs there!
Oh, like this?
Highway Hi-Fi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_Hi-Fi).
http://imperialclub.com/Repair/Accessories/HiWay/Chrysler.htm
http://ookworld.com/high-tech-in-the-1950%E2%80%B2s-highway-hi-fi-where-the-vinyl-meets-the-road-part-5/
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 26, 2015, 07:40:59 AM
Vinyl records never really disappeared, they just sold less for a while. In the context of this thread, though, where the focus is on playing music in the car, I think there are pretty good reasons for not trying to play LPs there!
Nonsense. Just ask rising star Cassius Clay:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcoolspotters.com%2Ffiles%2Fphotos%2F972864%2Fphilips-auto-mignon-car-record-player-gallery.jpg&hash=427c3921b858c8313d49d40055f1646961e70166)
Quote from: rschen7754 on January 24, 2015, 10:57:11 PM
The CD player has moving parts, which probably don't react well to lots of offroading.
My 4x4 pickup truck has a standard in-dash CD player with six-disc changer. While I've not done any serious off-roading, I've driven it on a few thousand miles of rough unpaved roads. I haven't tried to play a CD while doing that, but the player survived the drives with no problems after I got back on pavement.
I'm okay with it. I have one in my car, but I'm either listening to my itunes library, or listening to the radio. I've had my current car 2 years and never put a CD in.
Doesn't help most of my music collection is digital nowadays. Think the last time I bought a CD was around 2000. Then came the good ole days of Napster!
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 26, 2015, 09:37:29 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 26, 2015, 07:40:59 AM
Vinyl records never really disappeared, they just sold less for a while. In the context of this thread, though, where the focus is on playing music in the car, I think there are pretty good reasons for not trying to play LPs there!
Nonsense. Just ask rising star Cassius Clay:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcoolspotters.com%2Ffiles%2Fphotos%2F972864%2Fphilips-auto-mignon-car-record-player-gallery.jpg&hash=427c3921b858c8313d49d40055f1646961e70166)
I've seen that picture before, but from what I understand, it didn't play very well. Plus that looks like a 45. Can you imagine what a hassle it would be to change 45s constantly while driving? The longest single track I'm aware of having been released on a 45 was Bruce Springsteen's live version of "Incident on 57th Street," released as the B-side of the "Fire" 45 in 1986. "Incident" was 10:07. So figure you'd be changing the record (or at least turning it over) every 10 minutes or more often. Doesn't seem too practical to me. (I don't know whether any EPs ever had sides longer than 10 minutes long, but EPs were never all that successful in the US anyway. I think they were most popular in France, though I have no idea why.)
Sounds to me that in-dash vinyl was only slightly more popular than Digital Compact Cassettes.
Quote from: cjk374 on January 25, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
Call me old. Call me stubborn. I hate change. I am not technologically up to date. I have a dumb-phone, just "moved up" to CDs about 10 years ago (by installing a radio/CD player in my '83 Grand Prix) and I actually own several CDs. I am not a fan of CD players disappearing from new cars. It's just not fair for those of us who don't try to keep up w/Mr. Roboto and Rosie the robot maid from the Jetsons.
^^This in spades. :thumbsup:
I only
started buying CDs (mostly through Amazon.com) when I bought my 2007 Mustang (in Aug. 2007), which had a 6-CD player as well as a
Line In port for I-pods and so forth. My '97 Crown Vic. (that I factory ordered) just has a cassette player. While a single CD player was an option for that model year; I stayed with the cassette player at the time due to my having an active collection of cassettes back then (Nov. 1996).
The factory dual cassette/CD players didn't become available until the '99 model year for the Crown Vics/Grand Marquis'; had such been available 2 model years earlier, I would have definitely opted for such. I presently do have a converter device that can play CDs via the car's cassette player. My brother uses a similar device to play his I-pod through his '83 Pontiac Parisienne's cassette player.
I know that Ford either phased out or dropped the 6-CD players after 2011 on some models (at least on the Flex) but still offers single-CD players with a
Line-In port.
Quote from: spooky on January 26, 2015, 07:18:29 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on January 25, 2015, 10:57:58 AM
Bandit and xcellntbuy...bring back vinyl records! :nod:
That's happening.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKWWkgdg.png&hash=427c8b16b3fbf54116b9439619b644ee703ad19d)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Dqw0rCEAEvWGQ.jpg)
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It seems to me like I still purchased some new vinyl singles in the late '90s, possibly 2000.
I more or less skipped the CD era, jumping straight from vinyl to digital downloads.
Anyone else used to think the height of comic genius was to play records on the wrong speed? I noticed that Toni Tennille's voice sounded like Rick Astley when slowed from 45 to 33.
Quote from: bandit957 on January 26, 2015, 12:34:25 PM
Anyone else used to think the height of comic genius was to play records on the wrong speed? I noticed that Toni Tennille's voice sounded like Rick Astley when slowed from 45 to 33.
It's also true of speed-dubbing cassette tapes. Anyone would sound like the Chipmunks (even Barry White!) when done this way.
Quote from: algorerhythms on January 26, 2015, 12:08:24 PM
Quote from: spooky on January 26, 2015, 07:18:29 AM
That's happening.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKWWkgdg.png&hash=427c8b16b3fbf54116b9439619b644ee703ad19d)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8Dqw0rCEAEvWGQ.jpg)
Thanks for saving me the trouble of finding and posting that bit of perspective!
By the way, there's a local chain of CD stores in Seattle that still has pretty good size stores with a good selection.
Quote from: Henry on January 26, 2015, 12:45:14 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on January 26, 2015, 12:34:25 PM
Anyone else used to think the height of comic genius was to play records on the wrong speed? I noticed that Toni Tennille's voice sounded like Rick Astley when slowed from 45 to 33.
It's also true of speed-dubbing cassette tapes. Anyone would sound like the Chipmunks (even Barry White!) when done this way.
What about Louie Armstrong? :sombrero:
Playing a 33 LP at the 45 setting => everybody sounds like the Munchkins.
Playing a 33 LP at the 78 setting => everybody sounds like the Chipmunks.
As soon as I got my first personal laptop in 2005 I ripped all my CDs to it and mothballed my stereo. Since then I have had no cause to use any of my CDs while at home.
To this day there is, however, a giant box of CDs in my car - because while I recognize it is antiquated technology, it is impractical and in most places illegal for me to use my laptop as a music player while driving, I'm too cheap to spend money on buying a portable music player when the car is the only place I would ever use it, and since my library is currently a mess of a whole bunch of file formats I would have to spend a lot of time converting or reripping a lot of it to get a commercial device to recognize it all.
Someday I will own a car that lacks a CD player, and that will force me to spend the money on a music player and the time on converting all my wma, m4a, wav, midi, and other random filetypes to mp3. Until then, my kludgy box of CDs works and I'm sticking with it.
As for the likes of Pandora, in addition to the cell signal concern already raised, I like listening to whole albums and I like controlling exactly what I listen to. So the radio-ish nature of it doesn't appeal to me.
I am also painfully aware that for various reasons things stored on the internet are perishable and that song you really like may disappear from Pandora any day if there is a licensing disagreement. So I store my own music on my hard drive where it is physically in my possession and the whims of some remote host cannot ever take any of it away from me.
Unless I'm mistaken, a CD player in a car is probably more complex than a CD player in a home audio system due to a more complex loading method plus additional anti-skip mechanisms so that your CD doesn't skip when you hit a bump in the road. My last car had issues with the CD player loading and jamming, and when I checked the online forums, I found that it was a common occurrence AND the cost to fix was $300+. I ended up spending $100 instead on a FM modulator (because a direct connection was IMPOSSIBLE) as a replacement.... which lasted until I got rear-ended last month and my car got totaled. And, when I was hunting for a replacement car, my requirements was that the car have both Bluetooth integration/aux input, not CD. This was completely different from 2006 when I wanted a CD player and tested with duplicated CDs on CD-R media.
Car radios have come a long way from the days when the radio consisted of a AM unit with a speaker into the center of the dashboard, and FM was a considered a luxury addition. Now, we have sound systems in cars where we don't have to rely on what the radio broadcasters think we should like surrounded by lots of commercials. Often, I'm listening to the Classical, Met Opera, Old Time Radio, 40s, or 50s station on XM.
Sound quality is very good in my car. Because of my graveyard shift, I'm recording the audio streams from the local NPR station such as Met Opera, then play it back through my phone. The audio quality through the Bluetooth connection is actually quite good and much better than the FM stations in my area. And, while a CD can hold only up to 74 minutes of music, a MP3 player, even with a high bitrate, can store much more.
And, only thing that I noticed with the car shopping last year... every vehicle, even the low end ones, had at least a Aux input, so there is nothing preventing you from hooking up a portable CD or tape player. Of course, how many of you had or knew someone who had their car broken into and some previous, irreplaceable CDs stolen?
It's funny how 25 years ago a CD player in your car was considered superior to a cassette player. Now the cassette player is better because you can us a cassette adapter and plug it into your MP3 player or your phone.
Quote from: Duke87 on January 27, 2015, 12:59:23 AM
Someday I will own a car that lacks a CD player, and that will force me to spend the money on a music player and the time on converting all my wma, m4a, wav, midi, and other random filetypes to mp3.
It takes about 5 minutes per album to rip it into another format; perhaps just a minute of your own time between loading and unloading the medium from the case to the tray. Only the most obscure of albums requires manual entry of the song/album data, since there's databases that have the info, if you want your tracks to be labelled individually. Something to do while surfing the web or doing work on the PC. Sure, copying 600-some-odd albums didn't happen overnight, but work with your favorites and then copy the stuff you'd also like to have in a more portable format.
Admittedly, it was making some pleasure out of lawn work, rather than driving, which pushed me into MP3s a decade ago. But the convenience is tough to beat, since my tin ears aren't audiophile-quality, anyhow.
I'd rather download the MP3 files of a CD I own than to take the time to rip them. Since you already own a copy of the songs, then you should be allowed to download them.
I'd rather rip it because then I can control the format as opposed to being saddled with low-fidelity lossy compression.
Quote from: bugo on January 27, 2015, 11:43:51 AM
I'd rather download the MP3 files of a CD I own than to take the time to rip them. Since you already own a copy of the songs, then you should be allowed to download them.
I agree, but you're fighting a losing battle with any sort of legal distribution, at least in the eyes of recording companies and distributors.
That said, I've downloaded a few songs where a skip in the track rendered a song unlistenable.
I haven't used my car's CD player once since I bought it. No need when all my songs are on my iPhone and my car connects via bluetooth.
Quote from: ZLoth on January 27, 2015, 09:15:05 AMOf course, how many of you had or knew someone who had their car broken into and some previous, irreplaceable CDs stolen?
My new car was broken into outside the apartment where I lived in 1994. My CDs were found dumped at a car wash a couple of miles away. I only lost one of them -- Ratt's "Out of the Cellar" -- and the only stolen item not recovered was a pair of Foster-Grant sunglasses that had gone out of production and I was not able to buy a replacement pair.
I have an ipod. Will it work?
Ratt LOL
Quote from: hbelkins on January 27, 2015, 01:30:32 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on January 27, 2015, 09:15:05 AMOf course, how many of you had or knew someone who had their car broken into and some previous, irreplaceable CDs stolen?
My new car was broken into outside the apartment where I lived in 1994. My CDs were found dumped at a car wash a couple of miles away. I only lost one of them -- Ratt's "Out of the Cellar" -- and the only stolen item not recovered was a pair of Foster-Grant sunglasses that had gone out of production and I was not able to buy a replacement pair.
They just wanted to play that disc Round and Round. :spin:
I do not like this idea at all. I actually technically don't "have music on my phone" as in having music I bought off of iTunes. All the music on my phone is actually on an obsolete app called iTube that was taken off the App Store quite a while ago now (I first got the app in mid 2013). The app was free and the only price I had to pay for almost 200 favorited songs on there was a fair chunk of my iPhone storage :-D
But anyways, because I don't "have music on my phone," I absolutely hate this idea. Especially since I don't trust the radio at all to play any actual music these days. Whenever I listen to music in the car it's always on CDs. And I've bought new ones recently, too. Several months ago I bought an Alan Jackson CD at Kmart, and I can also verify that CDs are indeed still being sold in stores. I honestly don't see any reason at all to get rid of the CD player in new cars.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on January 24, 2015, 02:18:31 PM
I would KILL to have a banjo played as I drive.
Someone playing a banjo as I drove would remind me too much of the movie Deliverance.
Quote from: formulanone on January 27, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
It takes about 5 minutes per album to rip it into another format; perhaps just a minute of your own time between loading and unloading the medium from the case to the tray. Only the most obscure of albums requires manual entry of the song/album data, since there's databases that have the info, if you want your tracks to be labelled individually. Something to do while surfing the web or doing work on the PC. Sure, copying 600-some-odd albums didn't happen overnight, but work with your favorites and then copy the stuff you'd also like to have in a more portable format.
Not as simple as "rip it into another format" since while I do have a fair number of CDs I still lack hard copies of A LOT of my music. Indeed, there is a good amount of music in my library for which no official hard copy exists - for example, I love the soundtrack to
Streets of SimCity but I only have it because I located the audio files among the game data on the CD-ROM and copied them onto my computer. It's all in wav format, as is typical of late 90s PC video game audio. WinAmp plays it just fine but I don't know of too many portable music players that would, so it'd have to be converted and relabeled manually (since wav files have no internal tagging system).
The time I once took carefully labeling and listing songs on cassette J-cards is now spent filling out MP3 tags on converted audio tracks.
And all my music is backed up to an external USB hard drive as well as burned onto DVD media.
Funny, I used to type up the cassette cards and print them out (not on the actual card, of course–I used ordinary paper and then used scissors to cut it to fit). I'd created a template for use on my old dot matrix printer. Then I got an ink jet and had to create a new template.
I have a bunch of those tapes downstairs because I've never gotten around to going to the immense nuisance of putting my mixed tapes onto DVD-Audio (they won't fit on CDs).
Won't be long until we say goodbye to wired aux ports and USB ports. :|
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 30, 2015, 08:13:11 AM
Won't be long until we say goodbye to wired aux ports and USB ports. :|
USB ports will stay around a while. They're for charging devices as much as anything.
I was an early adopter of mp3's. So, I haven't bought an audio CD in about 10 years, and for almost 20 years, the only CD's I've listened to in cars were audio books; other CDs acquired were immediately ripped to mp3.
I feel old.
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on January 30, 2015, 08:58:41 AM
I was an early adopter of mp3's. So, I haven't bought an audio CD in about 10 years, and for almost 20 years, the only CD's I've listened to in cars were audio books; other CDs acquired were immediately ripped to mp3.
I feel old.
You can feel old if you remember when long-playing records were the latest thing.
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 30, 2015, 08:13:11 AM
Won't be long until we say goodbye to wired aux ports and USB ports. :|
They'd better not get rid of wired aux ports. How else is one supposed to hate music? All of the car media interfaces are complete junk.
I remember trying to find my iPod's "on the go" playlist in my Mom's car once when I was navigating for a family vacation. I could never figure out how to get the car's media controls to play the playlist and wound up manually going through each and every song to find the album I wanted to play; it took half an hour to find and played the second disk of the album before the first disk!
I still prefer buying CDs and ripping them to mp3 files instead of downloading music in mp3 format. For one thing, should your computer completely crash (which happened to me once), you still have your source material without having to re-purchase it. Even back in the days of copying LPs to cassettes, I was always told by audiophile friends "Always keep your source material, as you never know when you'll need it." This point was verified to me years later by a co-worker who, having dumped all his LPs after copying them to the cheap "3 for a buck" cassettes prevalent in the 1970s, commented about how PO'ed he became when those cheap cassettes began failing and he no longer had the albums to make new tapes.
Quote from: vdeane on January 30, 2015, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 30, 2015, 08:13:11 AM
Won't be long until we say goodbye to wired aux ports and USB ports. :|
They'd better not get rid of wired aux ports. How else is one supposed to hate music? All of the car media interfaces are complete junk.
I remember trying to find my iPod's "on the go" playlist in my Mom's car once when I was navigating for a family vacation. I could never figure out how to get the car's media controls to play the playlist and wound up manually going through each and every song to find the album I wanted to play; it took half an hour to find and played the second disk of the album before the first disk!
Most cars' media systems don't like playlists. It took me a long time to get my Focus's SYNC system to recognize the playlists on my mp3 player - the key is a) in the settings you use when creating the playlist and b) insuring that the albums the songs in the playlist are from are also loaded onto the player.
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
I still prefer buying CDs and ripping them to mp3 files instead of downloading music in mp3 format. For one thing, should your computer completely crash (which happened to me once), you still have your source material without having to re-purchase it. Even back in the days of copying LPs to cassettes, I was always told by audiophile friends "Always keep your source material, as you never know when you'll need it." This point was verified to me years later by a co-worker who, having dumped all his LPs after copying them to the cheap "3 for a buck" cassettes prevalent in the 1970s, commented about how PO'ed he became when those cheap cassettes began failing and he no longer had the albums to make new tapes.
I remember having about 20 GB of mp3's at one point, but after switching to music in the cloud and having Spotify (and other services) manage my music, I ended up dumping the files and saving space. The only bit is that since Spotify can sync my music to my personal computer (or iPhone/device), and since I listen to so much more music due to their discovery functions, I now have a collection over 80 GB :/
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
I still prefer buying CDs and ripping them to mp3 files instead of downloading music in mp3 format. For one thing, should your computer completely crash (which happened to me once), you still have your source material without having to re-purchase it.
Yes and no — iTunes, for example, keeps all of your purchase history. You can download your purchased songs onto whatever device you are running iTunes on. I suppose the only danger of losing the source material, as you put it, would be if the artist or label pulls the material from iTunes, which I suspect would be an infrequent occurrence.
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on January 30, 2015, 03:27:05 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
I still prefer buying CDs and ripping them to mp3 files instead of downloading music in mp3 format. For one thing, should your computer completely crash (which happened to me once), you still have your source material without having to re-purchase it. Even back in the days of copying LPs to cassettes, I was always told by audiophile friends "Always keep your source material, as you never know when you'll need it." This point was verified to me years later by a co-worker who, having dumped all his LPs after copying them to the cheap "3 for a buck" cassettes prevalent in the 1970s, commented about how PO'ed he became when those cheap cassettes began failing and he no longer had the albums to make new tapes.
I remember having about 20 GB of mp3's at one point, but after switching to music in the cloud and having Spotify (and other services) manage my music, I ended up dumping the files and saving space. The only bit is that since Spotify can sync my music to my personal computer (or iPhone/device), and since I listen to so much more music due to their discovery functions, I now have a collection over 80 GB :/
Bit of a threadjack: Using something like Spotify, how much cellular data might one burn through? I'm thinking of, for example, if you connected an iPhone or iPad to Spotify while at the office and piped it through an integrated amp. (Assume the office prohibits accessing these sorts of services via your office PC.) I was reading an article in
The Absolute Sound about it being a great way to discover new music, but I'd be concerned about burning through cellular data too quickly.
I've copied much of my record collection to MP3's. I created a very simple (and user-unfriendly) program in FreeBASIC to sort them and play them in the order that I would if I'd have a radio station. For instance, I might play a hit from 1978-84, followed by a hit from 1985-91, followed by something from another era or an album cut.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 30, 2015, 03:41:01 PM
Quote from: Sherman Cahal on January 30, 2015, 03:27:05 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 30, 2015, 01:23:04 PM
I still prefer buying CDs and ripping them to mp3 files instead of downloading music in mp3 format. For one thing, should your computer completely crash (which happened to me once), you still have your source material without having to re-purchase it. Even back in the days of copying LPs to cassettes, I was always told by audiophile friends "Always keep your source material, as you never know when you'll need it." This point was verified to me years later by a co-worker who, having dumped all his LPs after copying them to the cheap "3 for a buck" cassettes prevalent in the 1970s, commented about how PO'ed he became when those cheap cassettes began failing and he no longer had the albums to make new tapes.
I remember having about 20 GB of mp3's at one point, but after switching to music in the cloud and having Spotify (and other services) manage my music, I ended up dumping the files and saving space. The only bit is that since Spotify can sync my music to my personal computer (or iPhone/device), and since I listen to so much more music due to their discovery functions, I now have a collection over 80 GB :/
Bit of a threadjack: Using something like Spotify, how much cellular data might one burn through? I'm thinking of, for example, if you connected an iPhone or iPad to Spotify while at the office and piped it through an integrated amp. (Assume the office prohibits accessing these sorts of services via your office PC.) I was reading an article in The Absolute Sound about it being a great way to discover new music, but I'd be concerned about burning through cellular data too quickly.
Depends.
You can stream music over three quality settings, the lowest being radio quality. It's great for the radio and browse functionality.
If you play the song a lot, you can sync it at any of the three quality settings, which stores a physical copy on your phone. Of course, you should go with the "extreme" or "normal" settings for the best quality setting.
It's recommended to sync over WiFi as to not use your data. By default, it won't sync over cellular. Streaming can occur over cellular or WiFi. Personally, I connect to my work's WiFi and play all day.
Quote from: kkt on January 30, 2015, 12:19:01 PM
You can feel old if you remember when long-playing records were the latest thing.
Fair enough.
But I did donate a bunch of 8 tracks to a local museum.
Why should I say goodbye to my car's CD player? Is it going somewhere? I don't plan to replace it anytime soon, even though it won't play CDs anymore.
I really don't want to get involved in this thread, but I couldn't keep ignoring the stupid title.
"Ever see a guy say good-bye to a shoe?"
"Heheh... Yes, once."
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on January 30, 2015, 07:25:34 PM
Quote from: kkt on January 30, 2015, 12:19:01 PM
You can feel old if you remember when long-playing records were the latest thing.
Fair enough.
But I did donate a bunch of 8 tracks to a local museum.
My wife has some 8-tracks in a drawer upstairs and we have a player in our storage unit, though we have not played any of them since we've known each other (we met in 1999).
Quote from: vdeane on January 30, 2015, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 30, 2015, 08:13:11 AM
Won't be long until we say goodbye to wired aux ports and USB ports. :|
They'd better not get rid of wired aux ports. How else is one supposed to hate music?
I've rented a 2014 VW Jetta and a Mitsubishi Outlander which did not have AUX ports. They both had 30-pin connectors for iPods, but that's it. The former had a unique patch cable on one end, so the USB cable was worthless. The latter example still charged other devices, but wouldn't play them via USB.
Keep in mind neither car had an owner's manual, so it's entirely possible I was unaware of a setting to just plug-and-play. Maybe the AUX port was also located in some bizzare place (checked dash, glovebox, center console...nope).
I like the cars with options for AUX ports and USB connectivity, although many cars take this as an open invitation to play something from iTunes, even though you might already be on the phone, radio, or playing something through the said AUX port already (Dodge and Ford, of which at least the Sync Settings allow you to override this setting).
Ah, tech-no-logical breakthroughs.
Quote from: formulanone on February 02, 2015, 03:37:33 PM
I've rented a 2014 VW Jetta and a Mitsubishi Outlander which did not have AUX ports. They both had 30-pin connectors for iPods, but that's it.
That's odd. Every cable and pre-Lightning connector Apple device did have the 30-pin connector - but only on the device side, never on the "system" or "charger" side - those were always USB. I've never seen a "30-pin to 30-pin" cable.
VW's system uses an "MDI" interface on many models - not just the Jetta - perhaps that's what you saw.
http://vw10.drivergear.vw.com/Catalog/Vehicle_Accessories/CC/Communication/000051446B
I do have to say though that it should be a USB standard, few consumers are willing to drop $40 on an adapter cable.
Even then, a simple AUX jack provides basic audio connectivity to just about anything.
Quote from: Stratuscaster on February 02, 2015, 04:43:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 02, 2015, 03:37:33 PM
I've rented a 2014 VW Jetta and a Mitsubishi Outlander which did not have AUX ports. They both had 30-pin connectors for iPods, but that's it.
That's odd. Every cable and pre-Lightning connector Apple device did have the 30-pin connector - but only on the device side, never on the "system" or "charger" side - those were always USB. I've never seen a "30-pin to 30-pin" cable.
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They weren't exclusively USB. 30-pin to FireWire was available as well. I have an old Gateway PC somewhere with a FireWire connector and the only time I ever used that connector was with my first iPod.
But I've never seen 30-pin to 30-pin either.
My 2011 Sentra has USB and aux jacks. It seems to have some ability to control what plays from the car console itself but my impression is this is clunky and it's easier to control from the plugged in device. Impression, mind you, since I do not own a device to plug into the system and therefore this feature is only ever used by passengers in my car.
My girlfriend's 2013 Focus has some fancy sync feature where she controls her music and her phone with voice commands. I find this disorienting since I'm a button presser and controlling things with my voice rather than my fingers is just weird.
Although I would be more accepting of it if all voice commands began with "Computer, " or possibly "Go go gadget".
Quote from: Stratuscaster on February 02, 2015, 04:43:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 02, 2015, 03:37:33 PM
I've rented a 2014 VW Jetta and a Mitsubishi Outlander which did not have AUX ports. They both had 30-pin connectors for iPods, but that's it.
That's odd. Every cable and pre-Lightning connector Apple device did have the 30-pin connector - but only on the device side, never on the "system" or "charger" side - those were always USB. I've never seen a "30-pin to 30-pin" cable.
VW's system uses an "MDI" interface on many models - not just the Jetta - perhaps that's what you saw.
http://vw10.drivergear.vw.com/Catalog/Vehicle_Accessories/CC/Communication/000051446B
I do have to say though that it should be a USB standard, few consumers are willing to drop $40 on an adapter cable.
Even then, a simple AUX jack provides basic audio connectivity to just about anything.
Yeah, that's the one. A right-angle doohickey that only works on VAG products.
I don't like voice activated things; not yet at least. You can't just say one or two words and get back to driving, with many of them (Nissan included), you have to say "dial" then pause for permission to say "contact/number/emergency", then "wait"...it would be so much nicer if you could program a keyword or a secret word to immediately perform the action you'd like. Instead of waiting, I can press a button quicker. And in some cases, a quick double-tap will simply redial. I think some people like giving orders, and there's a power to that for some folks. But to me, it feels a bit uncomfortable and rather hollow...you're just ordering around a computer.
I'm sure we'll get there eventually, but I don't think we're there yet.
I thought Apple's Siri was pretty darn good until I got iOS 8 (or something else happened during that timeframe). I could once switch albums/playlists, send messages, make calls and have everything read out with Siri, but I can't even get the feature to send out a message without -every- word being miscommunicated.
Quote from: bugo on January 27, 2015, 09:21:37 AM
It's funny how 25 years ago a CD player in your car was considered superior to a cassette player. Now the cassette player is better because you can us a cassette adapter and plug it into your MP3 player or your phone.
I do that now, because my car has a combined CD/Cassette player. But I'd still like to hook up a device that lets me play flash drives, card readers and SD cards.
I have a 2003 Chevy Cavalier, which came out right at the point when cassette players were phased out of cars. I have a CD player that usually has something in it; otherwise, I use my old iPhone 4 with an international FM transmitter to play music. I have an international one so that I can use 87.7 and 87.9 as stations. I live pretty close to TV Hill in Baltimore, though, so it doesn't work within a mile from home, so I'll listen to the radio or my one CD for quick trips. I really wish my car had an AUX port; it would make things much easier. My husband loves listening to AM radio, which my car has a pretty decent one of, which is good.
Anyway, as for music purchasing, I choose to purchase CDs and then import them because I can get them much cheaper than on iTunes (thank you, used CD market). I've picked up many at yard sales, too. If I want instant access to a single, I will purchase it on iTunes, though.
I have a vinyl record collection as well. I love classic rock. I love the crispness of listening to music on a record player - it's a whole 'nother experience.
iPhone
I asked at some point upthread why the hell Apple wasn't making car systems, and sure enough, the next battleground is set. This article also features a sidebar on mostly-recent dashboard technology that is being rendered obsolete mostly by smartphones
Google and Apple Fight for the Car Dashboard (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/23/technology/rivals-google-and-apple-fight-for-the-dashboard.html?_r=0)
After years of being treated as an interesting side business, autos have become the latest obsession for Silicon Valley, with Apple assigning about 200 people to work on electric vehicle technology and Google saying it envisions the public using driverless cars within five years.
But nowhere is that obsession playing out more immediately than in the battle to develop the next generation of cars' dashboard systems. In the coming weeks and months, dealerships around the country will begin selling vehicles capable of running Android Auto, Apple CarPlay, or both.
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Quote from: Laura on February 25, 2015, 06:06:09 PMI have a vinyl record collection as well. I love classic rock. I love the crispness of listening to music on a record player - it's a whole 'nother experience.
Plus there are scads of good records out there for a dollar!