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Started by tolbs17, February 13, 2022, 10:58:27 AM

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golden eagle

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 13, 2022, 10:33:06 PM
Nashville TN - For 1970, I'm sure it had the fact that it had to do with the annexation of Davidson County. In reality, population would be closer to 250,000-300,000ish. Same thing with Louisville.

1950: 174,307   
1960: 170,874   
1970: 448,003
1980: 455,651
1990: 488,374
2000: 545,524
2010: 601,222
2020: 689,447

Louisville KY - Merged with Jefferson County in 2003. If the merge never happened, population would have been closer to 275,000.

1950: 369,129   
1960: 390,639
1970: 361,706
1980: 298,694
1990: 269,063
2000: 256,231
2010: 597,337
2020: 633,045

Not only would Louisville's population would've kept dropping, but Lexington was on the verge of becoming Kentucky's largest city until Louisville's merger with Jefferson County.

Memphis annexed the Cordova area (early 2000s) and kept Nashville at bay from being Tennessee's largest city. But that was short-lived and Nashville did officially take over in the 2020 census.


golden eagle

Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2022, 01:17:16 PM
Here is a list of the top 100 cities in 2020, sorted by their growth percentage since 1950.



CityState20201950Change %
IrvineCalifornia3076700Infinity
FremontCalifornia2305040Infinity

Fremont and Irvine didn't exist in 1950?

hotdogPi

Quote from: golden eagle on March 07, 2022, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2022, 01:17:16 PM
Here is a list of the top 100 cities in 2020, sorted by their growth percentage since 1950.



CityState20201950Change %
IrvineCalifornia3076700Infinity
FremontCalifornia2305040Infinity

Fremont and Irvine didn't exist in 1950?

Wikipedia says 1956 for Fremont and 1971 for Irvine.
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DTComposer

Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2022, 01:17:16 PM
Here is a list of the top 100 cities in 2020, sorted by their growth percentage since 1950.


Santa ClaritaCalifornia22867328957,799

Santa Clarita wasn't incorporated until 1987, so should be at "infinity" (like Irvine and Fremont). Not sure where Wikipedia pulled that 2,895 figure (unless they were using the equivalent unincorporated place, which would likely be Newhall).

Fremont and Santa Clarita are both amalgamations of historical towns/townships, so there were definitely people there in 1950, just not in an incorporated city. Irvine was little more than a railroad stop until the 1960s when it began to be built out as a "planned" city.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: DTComposer on March 07, 2022, 01:01:10 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2022, 01:17:16 PM
Here is a list of the top 100 cities in 2020, sorted by their growth percentage since 1950.


Santa ClaritaCalifornia22867328957,799

Santa Clarita wasn't incorporated until 1987, so should be at "infinity" (like Irvine and Fremont). Not sure where Wikipedia pulled that 2,895 figure (unless they were using the equivalent unincorporated place, which would likely be Newhall).

Fremont and Santa Clarita are both amalgamations of historical towns/townships, so there were definitely people there in 1950, just not in an incorporated city. Irvine was little more than a railroad stop until the 1960s when it began to be built out as a "planned" city.

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Max Rockatansky

Maybe it's just me, but "Santa Clarita"  is kind of lame name IMO.  I get it is on the Santa Clara River but the name was obviously already taken elsewhere in the state.  Newhall, Saugus or Valencia would have been just as good of a fit. 

kphoger

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 01:26:32 PM
Maybe it's just me, but "Santa Clarita"  is kind of lame name IMO.  I get it is on the Santa Clara River but the name was obviously already taken elsewhere in the state.  Newhall, Saugus or Valencia would have been just as good of a fit. 

You obviously have looked into the history of its naming but, before Santa Clarita even existed as a place name, the southerly Santa Clara River was already known as the Little Santa Clara River.  With that fact in mind, I don't consider Santa Clarita to be a lame name at all.

The name Santa Clarita has a history that goes back to the 1940s.  Locals derided the suggested names of Newhall and Valencia either as coming from outsiders or even an attack by rampant suburban development.  As for Saugus, well, I'm not sure why that never caught on.
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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 01:26:32 PM
Maybe it's just me, but "Santa Clarita"  is kind of lame name IMO.  I get it is on the Santa Clara River but the name was obviously already taken elsewhere in the state.  Newhall, Saugus or Valencia would have been just as good of a fit. 

You obviously have looked into the history of its naming but, before Santa Clarita even existed as a place name, the southerly Santa Clara River was already known as the Little Santa Clara River.  With that fact in mind, I don't consider Santa Clarita to be a lame name at all.

The name Santa Clarita has a history that goes back to the 1940s.  Locals derided the suggested names of Newhall and Valencia either as coming from outsiders or even an attack by rampant suburban development.  As for Saugus, well, I'm not sure why that never caught on.

Right, so if Saugus was popular and well liked by the locals then why not go with that?  Saugus is certainly more unique sounding than Santa Clarita comes off as in the context of other place names in California.  Let me rephrase, not so much "lame"  as kind of derivative sounding.

Also, is "Clarita"  even proper Spanish?  Imagine the controversy if the city was named "Rancho San Francisco?"

DTComposer

Quote from: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 01:26:32 PM
Maybe it's just me, but "Santa Clarita"  is kind of lame name IMO.  I get it is on the Santa Clara River but the name was obviously already taken elsewhere in the state.  Newhall, Saugus or Valencia would have been just as good of a fit. 

You obviously have looked into the history of its naming but, before Santa Clarita even existed as a place name, the southerly Santa Clara River was already known as the Little Santa Clara River.  With that fact in mind, I don't consider Santa Clarita to be a lame name at all.

The name Santa Clarita has a history that goes back to the 1940s.  Locals derided the suggested names of Newhall and Valencia either as coming from outsiders or even an attack by rampant suburban development.  As for Saugus, well, I'm not sure why that never caught on.

Not sure how Newhall would qualify as either an "outsider" or "suburban development" name. Newhall (first the depot, then the town) dates back to the 1870s and remains the historical "downtown" for the valley. That would have been my preference for a name. Rancho Santa Clarita was the name for a small subdivision north of Newhall built around 1950.

While it's not a "lame" name, Santa Clarita truly doesn't carry nearly the historical cachet of Newhall (or even Saugus), and to my ear sounds very much like the kind of quasi-Mission-revival-romantic name that a developer would have come up with.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: DTComposer on March 07, 2022, 02:24:55 PM
Quote from: kphoger on March 07, 2022, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 01:26:32 PM
Maybe it's just me, but "Santa Clarita"  is kind of lame name IMO.  I get it is on the Santa Clara River but the name was obviously already taken elsewhere in the state.  Newhall, Saugus or Valencia would have been just as good of a fit. 

You obviously have looked into the history of its naming but, before Santa Clarita even existed as a place name, the southerly Santa Clara River was already known as the Little Santa Clara River.  With that fact in mind, I don't consider Santa Clarita to be a lame name at all.

The name Santa Clarita has a history that goes back to the 1940s.  Locals derided the suggested names of Newhall and Valencia either as coming from outsiders or even an attack by rampant suburban development.  As for Saugus, well, I'm not sure why that never caught on.

Not sure how Newhall would qualify as either an "outsider" or "suburban development" name. Newhall (first the depot, then the town) dates back to the 1870s and remains the historical "downtown" for the valley. That would have been my preference for a name. Rancho Santa Clarita was the name for a small subdivision north of Newhall built around 1950.

While it's not a "lame" name, Santa Clarita truly doesn't carry nearly the historical cachet of Newhall (or even Saugus), and to my ear sounds very much like the kind of quasi-Mission-revival-romantic name that a developer would have come up with.

^^^

Which to be fair kind of matches the impression I get whenever I visit Santa Clarita today.  There is very little outside of San Fernando Pass and centered around Newhall to suggest the area is much beyond the most modern development.  It's kind of strange jogging a couple miles north to the Old Ridge Route or Golden State Highway given it feels much more like the 1930s.

tolbs17

Quote from: golden eagle on March 07, 2022, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 13, 2022, 10:33:06 PM
Nashville TN - For 1970, I'm sure it had the fact that it had to do with the annexation of Davidson County. In reality, population would be closer to 250,000-300,000ish. Same thing with Louisville.

1950: 174,307   
1960: 170,874   
1970: 448,003
1980: 455,651
1990: 488,374
2000: 545,524
2010: 601,222
2020: 689,447

Louisville KY - Merged with Jefferson County in 2003. If the merge never happened, population would have been closer to 275,000.

1950: 369,129   
1960: 390,639
1970: 361,706
1980: 298,694
1990: 269,063
2000: 256,231
2010: 597,337
2020: 633,045

Not only would Louisville's population would've kept dropping, but Lexington was on the verge of becoming Kentucky's largest city until Louisville's merger with Jefferson County.
Lexington merged with Fayette county in the 70s.

kphoger

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 07, 2022, 02:14:29 PM
Also, is "Clarita"  even proper Spanish?  Imagine the controversy if the city was named "Rancho San Francisco?"

Such diminutives are very common in Mexico.  I spent my honeymoon in the Mexican town San Francisco (Nayarit), and everybody calls it San Pancho.  I know quite a few people from the rancho San Francisco del Progreso (Coahuila), and the locals there call it by various diminutives–San Paquito, San Quico, San Pancho, San Panchito...  Mexicans have trouble with the name Kyle, so everyone there just calls me Cayito.  One of the biggest guys I know in Mexico goes by Juanito.  Totally normal.
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DTComposer

FWIW (and then I'll stop being off-topic on the Off-Topic topic), in 24 years of living in SoCal, I could probably count on two hands the times anyone actually referred to it as Santa Clarita in conversation. They lived in Canyon Country or Stevenson Ranch; went to the farmers' market in Newhall; Magic Mountain and CalArts are in Valencia; etc.

Even the USPS "recommended" cities for the zip codes remain the old town names: 91321 is Newhall, 91354-55 is Valencia.



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