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1963 photo taken at the East LA interchange
TheStranger:
Looking again at the Mission Road interchange with the Santa Ana Freeway...we've got the same external tabs as that at Alameda Street, except...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-e/4491171528/
The left exit for I-10 (San Bernardino Split) correctly has a left-aligned tab, while Mission road has an odd semi-center aligned tab!
Another notable sign from the 2008-era contract is this, at the north terminus of the Santa Ana Freeway -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mike_s_etc/3872045157/
In addition to I-110 being signed this far north (which is correct as far as reflecting the southbound signage of the Harbor Freeway in its entirety), this new reflective pull-through uses the freeway name going forward (Hollywood Fwy)! I presume this isn't so much an intentional design choice as much as it is another example of "replacing previously-existing button copy sign with reflective sign, with no redaction of text."
The southbound pullthrough at the Four-Level does represent another CalTrans anomaly, in that instead of the previously used (and still extant - to nobody's credit - in the recent Business 80/US 50 resigning project in Sacramento) practice of "signing for the next route after terminus" - as seen to some extent here https://www.aaroads.com/california/images100/us-101_sb_exit_003b_02a.jpg - the FHWA-approved practice of "US 101 TO I-10/I-5/Route 60" is now in place in the vicinity - https://www.aaroads.com/california/images100/us-101_sb_exit_003b_06.jpg
Seems like the East Los Angeles Interchange/San Bernardino Split area continues to be a testing ground for sign formatting, like it was in 1971...
TheStranger:
--- Quote from: agentsteel53 on June 05, 2010, 03:26:13 PM ---
60 was planned to be a state route by the time the Pomona Fwy was being built, and therefore it was never signed as US-60.
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Actually...
There is at least one planning map (1958-era) which shows US 60 as the designation for the Pomona Freeway, from a recent upload by Eric Fischer:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/4778411204/in/photostream/
The map itself also contains some planning oddities I haven't seen elsewhere: a Route 247 freeway (Route C), taking a different route from Apple Valley northwest...a combination of the unbuilt Route 122 and 249 corridors...a connector between Route 90 in Yorba Linda and unbuilt Route 81 west of Riverside...a Route 39 extension north of Route 2 all the way to unbuilt Route 48!
There's even a north-south freeway from today's I-15 at the state line south through Amboy at then-US 66 all the way to I-10 west of Chiraco Summit - I don't think this was ever proposed by the state.
agentsteel53:
--- Quote from: TheStranger on July 15, 2010, 05:17:09 PM ---There is at least one planning map (1958-era) which shows US 60 as the designation for the Pomona Freeway, from a recent upload by Eric Fischer:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/4778411204/in/photostream/
--- End quote ---
so even that long ago they were planning on moving the designation. Good to know! Given that the freeway opened in 1965, I think Mike's observation that it was "planned to be state 60" was correct, because by 1962 or so I am quite sure they knew they were going to eliminate a bunch of routes.
--- Quote ---There's even a north-south freeway from today's I-15 at the state line south through Amboy at then-US 66 all the way to I-10 west of Chiraco Summit - I don't think this was ever proposed by the state.
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if that freeway existed, I wouldn't have a fast route back from the desert. All the Vegas traffic would take that freeway and I-10 to San Diego and LA, and both that and 15 would be hosed... this way, with the Amboy Road being an obscurity, I get to do 100mph on it while traffic crawls on I-15.
TheStranger:
--- Quote from: agentsteel53 on July 15, 2010, 06:09:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: TheStranger on July 15, 2010, 05:17:09 PM ---There is at least one planning map (1958-era) which shows US 60 as the designation for the Pomona Freeway, from a recent upload by Eric Fischer:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/4778411204/in/photostream/
--- End quote ---
so even that long ago they were planning on moving the designation. Good to know! Given that the freeway opened in 1965, I think Mike's observation that it was "planned to be state 60" was correct, because by 1962 or so I am quite sure they knew they were going to eliminate a bunch of routes.
--- End quote ---
Based on 1963 signing (where 70/10 remained concurrent on the San Bernardino Freeway with 99, while 60 was cut back to Pomona at Holt Avenue at the time), my guess - hard to verify without more documentation - is that in 1958, the Pomona Freeway (following much of the 1933 US 60 corridor) would be US 60, but by 1963 it was going to be a state route with US 60 being cut back. (Which then doesn't quite explain why 70 and 99 were getting equal billing that late before the renumbering.)
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