Hi all. I noticed there isn't a thread on our regional board that pertains to the current under construction Interstate 490, the route that will bypass around O'Hare on the west side, connecting I-90, I-294, and IL-390. If anyone has any news, photos, opinions or information of anything related to the project, I'd love to see them here.
Personally I'm mainly curious to see some pictures if anything's going on other than work over I-90. Hopefully as time goes on, we'll get to see more stuff. :nod:
There is one on the Elgin Ohare but there is so little new construction coming IllInois either from I DOT it the Folks at I think deserves its own thread.
Fun fact . This area has the highest concentration of manufacturing jobs inn the state.
Quote from: 3467 on December 02, 2019, 07:11:02 PM
Fun fact . This area has the highest concentration of manufacturing jobs in the state.
Must have something to do with the wide array of Transportation options...Giant Airport, huge Rail Yards, and multiple Major Interstate Highways
Not exactly sure what exact area you are defining, tho. Just the land immediately to the west of ORD?
I need to link it. Illinois has a publication where workers work in metro Chicago. It matches well with public directories like Illinois Manufacturer Diectory.
Yes there was huge movement out of Chicago after the War but yes it was an ideal area rail lines highways and the airport and lots of cheap land for more efficient single story buildings as opposed to old multi story buildings.
Another interesting trend you can see is the high number of temp jobs in the town's with the most manufacturing jobs. It wasn't just China. There were 16 million manufacturing jobs excluding clothing which all went to China in the 90s and early part of Century but now there are 13 million. But then there were less than half a million temps now there are over a million and a half in manufacturing and this report prices it.So we are down about 2 million a mix of China automation and mergers.
As many are aware the 490 O'Hare Bypass was held up by an issue of ISTHA and the CP Railroad coming to a land use agreement over and around the CP Bensenville Yards immediately south of the airport.
ISTHA has already demolished and cleared land between the I-294 to Irving Park Road and also up on the north side where the Jane Addams intersection will be. (used to be a toll plaza)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49161545792_12c8c3a0e8_z.jpg)
The land along York Road and where I-390 (EOH) and I-490 will meet has been in IDOT hands for an eternity. (since the 1970's).
CDOA (Chicago Department of Aviation) has stockpiled so much dirt east of York Road, you could probably fill Lake Michigan with it. Most of it is for jet noise abatement., but space has been allotted to get the highway built.
Honestly its going to be a real squeeze through there, with Irving Park Road, the CP and UP railroads, York Road and I-490 all on top of it. I just hope a super jumbo doesn't fall short of 10C or 10L and decide to land on top it.
The UP has had to move that ROW some 3 or 4 times since the 50's back when it was the CNW.
ISTHA has pulled down the I-390 part of the site, so there are no maps to show at the moment.
I kinda figured it was a challenge based on everything going on back there. I never really thought something like this would be possible, but I suppose with enough money, it can be.
Looking at the map there, it's kind of surprising they aren't going with a flyover for the connection to WB 90. Hopefully that turn doesn't end up being too tight for trucks. Was there information about the interchange with 294?
The maps were relocated from the "project" area, to the "concept" area.
https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/eowa/eowa-local-advisory-committee
Here you go.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49161654207_8aeba9756a_z.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49161654062_a56f722849_z.jpg)
Quote from: edwaleni on December 02, 2019, 09:58:51 PM
ISTHA has already demolished and cleared land between the I-294 to Irving Park Road and also up on the north side where the Jane Addams intersection will be. (used to be a toll plaza)
In it's last incarnation it was an Oasis (Streetview circa 2011 (https://goo.gl/maps/jFs5RTjKfGkjJP6z8)). Somewhat else would need to confirm if there was ever a toll plaza there.
Quote from: edwaleni on December 02, 2019, 09:58:51 PMISTHA has pulled down the I-390 part of the site, so there are no maps to show at the moment.
Besenville still has some IL 390 stuff on their website. (https://www.bensenville.il.us/801/Elgin-OHare-Western-Access-Project)
There's also this presentation from the O'Hare Noise Compatibility website. (https://www.oharenoise.org/resources/presentations/general-meeting-presentations/2019/722-illinois-toll-highway-authority-illinois-route-490-tollway-project-update-january-11-2019/file)
Quote from: edwaleni on December 02, 2019, 09:58:51 PM
As many are aware the 490 O'Hare Bypass was held up by an issue of ISTHA and the CP Railroad coming to a land use agreement over and around the CP Bensenville Yards immediately south of the airport.
ISTHA has already demolished and cleared land between the I-294 to Irving Park Road and also up on the north side where the Jane Addams intersection will be. (used to be a toll plaza)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49161545792_12c8c3a0e8_z.jpg)
The land along York Road and where I-390 (EOH) and I-490 will meet has been in IDOT hands for an eternity. (since the 1970's).
CDOA (Chicago Department of Aviation) has stockpiled so much dirt east of York Road, you could probably fill Lake Michigan with it. Most of it is for jet noise abatement., but space has been allotted to get the highway built.
Honestly its going to be a real squeeze through there, with Irving Park Road, the CP and UP railroads, York Road and I-490 all on top of it. I just hope a super jumbo doesn't fall short of 10C or 10L and decide to land on top it.
The UP has had to move that ROW some 3 or 4 times since the 50's back when it was the CNW.
ISTHA has pulled down the I-390 part of the site, so there are no maps to show at the moment.
I've been up in Northern Illinois over the T-day Weekend and drove down that stretch of I-90/Jane Addams Tollway just north of ORD...I believe the Overpasses that will carry the 490 Trumpet ober I-90 may already be built? GSV shows the area of the Old Des Plaines Oasis being constructed for new Overpass Piers
Quote from: edwaleni on December 02, 2019, 09:58:51 PM
I just hope a super jumbo doesn't fall short of 10C or 10L and decide to land on top it.
I just hope the northbound right shoulder doesn't end up like Maho Beach.
755 is right it was the DesPlaines Oasis. The toll plaza is farther down toward the Kennedy. It looks like Hinsdale and Ohare oasis are going too leaving only 3 over the road ones.
Quote from: 3467 on December 03, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
755 is right it was the DesPlaines Oasis. The toll plaza is farther down toward the Kennedy. It looks like Hinsdale and Ohare oasis are going too leaving only 3 over the road ones.
The Des Plaines Oasis over I-90 was demolished years ago. Only when did construction begin on the new highway did the gas stations on each side also close.
The O'Hare Oasis was over I-294 south of O'Hare, and that was demolished fairly recently too. The gas station is still open though. That Oasis wasn't in the path of the new interchange IIRC.
The Hinsdale Oasis is further south on I-294 and last time I checked, still fully operational and standing. However, it will likely come down at some point for widening of the road.
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 02, 2019, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 02, 2019, 09:58:51 PM
As many are aware the 490 O'Hare Bypass was held up by an issue of ISTHA and the CP Railroad coming to a land use agreement over and around the CP Bensenville Yards immediately south of the airport.
ISTHA has already demolished and cleared land between the I-294 to Irving Park Road and also up on the north side where the Jane Addams intersection will be. (used to be a toll plaza)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49161545792_12c8c3a0e8_z.jpg)
The land along York Road and where I-390 (EOH) and I-490 will meet has been in IDOT hands for an eternity. (since the 1970's).
CDOA (Chicago Department of Aviation) has stockpiled so much dirt east of York Road, you could probably fill Lake Michigan with it. Most of it is for jet noise abatement., but space has been allotted to get the highway built.
Honestly its going to be a real squeeze through there, with Irving Park Road, the CP and UP railroads, York Road and I-490 all on top of it. I just hope a super jumbo doesn't fall short of 10C or 10L and decide to land on top it.
The UP has had to move that ROW some 3 or 4 times since the 50's back when it was the CNW.
ISTHA has pulled down the I-390 part of the site, so there are no maps to show at the moment.
I've been up in Northern Illinois over the T-day Weekend and drove down that stretch of I-90/Jane Addams Tollway just north of ORD...I believe the Overpasses that will carry the 490 Trumpet ober I-90 may already be built? GSV shows the area of the Old Des Plaines Oasis being constructed for new Overpass Piers
Yup the bridges are complete, I live just north of this so have been seeing the progress. Right now they are building the new feeder ramps off of Elmhurst and I-90 that'll feed directly into 490.
390 has have made progress eastward as they've begun to build the bridges and pavement to begin the ramps to connect to 490 and eventually the western terminals. So far, nothing else has really begun with 490 outside of some utility relocations along Elmhurst Road and Touhy Ave
Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Ever tried to plow and salt a large flyover?
And yes, this was an oasis not a toll plaza, thanks for the correction above,
Quote from: edwaleni on December 03, 2019, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Ever tried to plow and salt a large flyover?
And yes, this was an oasis not a toll plaza, thanks for the correction above,
Wisconsin plows and salts flyover ramps at both the Marquette interchange and the Zoo interchange. Build them wide enough and its fine.
Quote from: edwaleni on December 03, 2019, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Ever tried to plow and salt a large flyover?
And yes, this was an oasis not a toll plaza, thanks for the correction above,
The Tollway does this all the time at several of its interchanges. I strongly suspect the reason for the trumpet is that the primary movement will be to/from the west, and very few will use the ramps to/from the east.
I think it will be direction of traffic but also space. I think they have tired of fights for example the late Illinois 53. Those Oasis just looked so ultra modern when I was a kid just loved them.
No prob on correction minor error . All tollway property. The new ORT plazas are really interesting looking especially on The far edges of the East West. Like a beacon of civilization in the wilderness.
Looks like Amazon is going to build a big solar facility near the east West in Lee county.
Quote from: Brandon on December 03, 2019, 04:29:07 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on December 03, 2019, 03:55:59 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Ever tried to plow and salt a large flyover?
And yes, this was an oasis not a toll plaza, thanks for the correction above,
The Tollway does this all the time at several of its interchanges. I strongly suspect the reason for the trumpet is that the primary movement will be to/from the west, and very few will use the ramps to/from the east.
I would agree. There's only 1 entrance ramp westbound between 490 and 294, so the only reason I can really see for people to use that movement would be if they made a mistake.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Any possibility that, due to proximity to ORD, Flyovers may have been a no-no due to flight paths?
Looking at the ORD Satellite shot, it would have been in a path for a Runway, but that was one of the criss-crossing runways that has since been turned into a taxiway to get ORD to where it has a lot more parallel runways vs crossing runways
also an needed Touhy Avenue rail over pass is part of this.
https://www.journal-topics.com/articles/des-plaines-considers-plans-for-touhy-avenue-bridges-over-up-tracks-i-490/
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 03, 2019, 07:23:20 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Any possibility that, due to proximity to ORD, Flyovers may have been a no-no due to flight paths?
Looking at the ORD Satellite shot, it would have been in a path for a Runway, but that was one of the criss-crossing runways that has since been turned into a taxiway to get ORD to where it has a lot more parallel runways vs crossing runways
I doubt that's the reason. I think it's more for the fact that the WB to SB movement would be seldom used, making flyover construction overkill.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 04, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on December 03, 2019, 07:23:20 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on December 03, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Why is the northern terminus at Interstate 90 being constructed as a trumpet? Is there not enough space to build flyover ramps?
Any possibility that, due to proximity to ORD, Flyovers may have been a no-no due to flight paths?
Looking at the ORD Satellite shot, it would have been in a path for a Runway, but that was one of the criss-crossing runways that has since been turned into a taxiway to get ORD to where it has a lot more parallel runways vs crossing runways
I doubt that's the reason. I think it's more for the fact that the WB to SB movement would be seldom used, making flyover construction overkill.
This ^
Most people going westbound on 90 that want to go south would likely use 294, eastbound wanting to go south would use 490. Now I'm sure if one or the other backs up due to a crash it'll increase
I wouldn't construct any flyover ramps at the airport either, so it's definitely a good call on building the trumpet interchange at I-90.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 04, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
I doubt that's the reason. I think it's more for the fact that the WB to SB movement would be seldom used, making flyover construction overkill.
I could see the WB to SB movement getting more traffic than anticipated, especially if SB I-490 to WB IL 390 becomes a popular shortcut over to the I-355 corridor. Though this would be more on congestion avoidance over saving on tolls (since westbound between the Devon Plaza and I-290 there would be zero tolls versus at least another 65 cents for the I-490/IL 390 option); EB I-290 isn't very useful anymore between I-90 and I-355 after 3 PM, if not earlier on most weekdays
Quote from: Henry on December 04, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
I wouldn't construct any flyover ramps at the airport either, so it's definitely a good call on building the trumpet interchange at I-90.
Would a flyover actually get that much higher than the top of the old oasis building, (https://goo.gl/maps/qcPoi7mHqUsShyxG8) assuming no overhead signs or light poles are mounted on the flyover?
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 04, 2019, 11:06:13 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 04, 2019, 09:14:45 AM
I doubt that's the reason. I think it's more for the fact that the WB to SB movement would be seldom used, making flyover construction overkill.
I could see the WB to SB movement getting more traffic than anticipated, especially if SB I-490 to WB IL 390 becomes a popular shortcut over to the I-355 corridor. Though this would be more on congestion avoidance over saving on tolls (since westbound between the Devon Plaza and I-290 there would be zero tolls versus at least another 65 cents for the I-490/IL 390 option); EB I-290 isn't very useful anymore between I-90 and I-355 after 3 PM, if not earlier on most weekdays
20/20 Hindsight, and no idea if IDOT and ISTHA even considered it...but direct ramps to/from IL 390 and I-355 would be helpful - a lot of weaving is needed to get from the IL 390 Entrance Ramp onto I-290 over to the Left "Exit" for I-355, and from I-355 North, across I-290 West's merging lanes to the Right-side IL 390 Exit
And its a lot of weaving on a heavily traveled stretch of Expressway/Tollway/Freeway/whatever
If I-490->IL 390->I-355 becomes a very popular route, the I-290/IL 390 interchange might need upgraded to a Full Stack, and also add in the Left side Exit/Entrance Ramps for I-355<->IL 390 Traffic
It seemed like there was room for an 4th (INSIDE) lane from the toll on I-355 to EOE area. I-pass express used to have an add an lane left in that area.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 03, 2019, 10:34:11 AM
Quote from: 3467 on December 03, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
755 is right it was the DesPlaines Oasis. The toll plaza is farther down toward the Kennedy. It looks like Hinsdale and Ohare oasis are going too leaving only 3 over the road ones.
The Des Plaines Oasis over I-90 was demolished years ago. Only when did construction begin on the new highway did the gas stations on each side also close.
The O'Hare Oasis was over I-294 south of O'Hare, and that was demolished fairly recently too. The gas station is still open though. That Oasis wasn't in the path of the new interchange IIRC.
The Hinsdale Oasis is further south on I-294 and last time I checked, still fully operational and standing. However, it will likely come down at some point for widening of the road.
The O'Hare Oasis building was demolished so that the widening of 294 between O'Hare and 95th St to 5 lanes each way can be done. The bridge piers are still up. So it may just be temporary and they build the new building after the widening is completed.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on December 05, 2019, 01:19:21 PM
It seemed like there was room for an 4th (INSIDE) lane from the toll on I-355 to EOE area. I-pass express used to have an add an lane left in that area.
The grass median south of I-290 is wide enough to get another lane in. From the I-355/I-290 interchange to near Devon Avenue the median shoulders look wide enough (measuring in Google Maps give a value around 18 feet) for another lane each way. Rumor had it there were plans to ultimately add a lane southbound from north of the I-290/I-355 split to the Army Trail Road interchange.
Quote from: Revive 755 on February 09, 2020, 12:15:08 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on December 05, 2019, 01:19:21 PM
It seemed like there was room for an 4th (INSIDE) lane from the toll on I-355 to EOE area. I-pass express used to have an add an lane left in that area.
The grass median south of I-290 is wide enough to get another lane in. From the I-355/I-290 interchange to near Devon Avenue the median shoulders look wide enough (measuring in Google Maps give a value around 18 feet) for another lane each way. Rumor had it there were plans to ultimately add a lane southbound from north of the I-290/I-355 split to the Army Trail Road interchange.
Correct me if I am wrong, but any adjustments between I-390 and I-355 on I-290 was predicated on the agreement with CP Rail for changing out the bridge west of Itasca. CP wants IDOT to foot the bill 100%. Same CP Rail that was in a squabble with ISTHA over the I-390 link in Bensenville.
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 08, 2020, 08:29:10 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 03, 2019, 10:34:11 AM
Quote from: 3467 on December 03, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
755 is right it was the DesPlaines Oasis. The toll plaza is farther down toward the Kennedy. It looks like Hinsdale and Ohare oasis are going too leaving only 3 over the road ones.
The Des Plaines Oasis over I-90 was demolished years ago. Only when did construction begin on the new highway did the gas stations on each side also close.
The O'Hare Oasis was over I-294 south of O'Hare, and that was demolished fairly recently too. The gas station is still open though. That Oasis wasn't in the path of the new interchange IIRC.
The Hinsdale Oasis is further south on I-294 and last time I checked, still fully operational and standing. However, it will likely come down at some point for widening of the road.
The O'Hare Oasis building was demolished so that the widening of 294 between O'Hare and 95th St to 5 lanes each way can be done. The bridge piers are still up. So it may just be temporary and they build the new building after the widening is completed.
Nope, not coming back.
Quote from: SSOWorld on February 09, 2020, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 08, 2020, 08:29:10 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 03, 2019, 10:34:11 AM
Quote from: 3467 on December 03, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
755 is right it was the DesPlaines Oasis. The toll plaza is farther down toward the Kennedy. It looks like Hinsdale and Ohare oasis are going too leaving only 3 over the road ones.
The Des Plaines Oasis over I-90 was demolished years ago. Only when did construction begin on the new highway did the gas stations on each side also close.
The O'Hare Oasis was over I-294 south of O'Hare, and that was demolished fairly recently too. The gas station is still open though. That Oasis wasn't in the path of the new interchange IIRC.
The Hinsdale Oasis is further south on I-294 and last time I checked, still fully operational and standing. However, it will likely come down at some point for widening of the road.
The O'Hare Oasis building was demolished so that the widening of 294 between O'Hare and 95th St to 5 lanes each way can be done. The bridge piers are still up. So it may just be temporary and they build the new building after the widening is completed.
Nope, not coming back.
That's what I thought, although it'd be nice if it did.
Maybe when Interstate 490 is completed, it could be renamed the American Airlines Flight 191 Memorial Tollway, after the 1979 crash, since the road will pass through the area where the plane went down.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 11, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
Maybe when Interstate 490 is completed, it could be renamed the American Airlines Flight 191 Memorial Tollway, after the 1979 crash, since the road will pass through the area where the plane went down.
Have any highways been named after airline disasters?
Quote from: Beltway on February 11, 2020, 10:29:49 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 11, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
Maybe when Interstate 490 is completed, it could be renamed the American Airlines Flight 191 Memorial Tollway, after the 1979 crash, since the road will pass through the area where the plane went down.
Have any highways been named after airline disasters?
I believe a highway is named after Flight 90 in PA.
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 08, 2020, 08:29:10 PM
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 03, 2019, 10:34:11 AM
Quote from: 3467 on December 03, 2019, 08:47:09 AM
755 is right it was the DesPlaines Oasis. The toll plaza is farther down toward the Kennedy. It looks like Hinsdale and Ohare oasis are going too leaving only 3 over the road ones.
The Des Plaines Oasis over I-90 was demolished years ago. Only when did construction begin on the new highway did the gas stations on each side also close.
The O'Hare Oasis was over I-294 south of O'Hare, and that was demolished fairly recently too. The gas station is still open though. That Oasis wasn't in the path of the new interchange IIRC.
The Hinsdale Oasis is further south on I-294 and last time I checked, still fully operational and standing. However, it will likely come down at some point for widening of the road.
The O'Hare Oasis building was demolished so that the widening of 294 between O'Hare and 95th St to 5 lanes each way can be done. The bridge piers are still up. So it may just be temporary and they build the new building after the widening is completed.
They haven't redone the median concrete like they did just north of the oasis. Those piers will probably come down once they begin to rebuild the median and the concrete lanes.
That highway named after a plane crash in Pennsylvania (US 219) is named after Flight 93, the plane that crashed within the state on 9/11. My suggestion to name 490 after Flight 191 came after looking at the location of the former Des Plaines service area on Google Maps, and seeing an "American Airlines Flight 191 Crash site" marker on the map just south of the service area's location. Prior to seeing that, I had no idea what it meant. It wasn't until after looking on the internet (Wikipedia) and learning about Flight 191's crash did I make the suggestion (maybe not the brightest idea I've ever had) that the highway be named in memoriam of that crash. After all, that May 25, 1979 crash killed all 258 passengers and all 13 flight crew members, which at the time was the deadliest aviation crash in the United States to that date. The Wikipedia story is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_191.
Not to sound crass, but Flight 93 is recognized because of the selfless act of downing the plane before it could plow into the White House on one of the darkest days in our nation's history. Flight 191 was an accident. Lives were lost either way, but naming a highway after an accident doesn't seem appropriate. That would be like renaming the Kennedy the "Great Chicago Fire Highway."
United Flight 93 wasn't an aviation accident, it was an act of war, and quite a bit more famous than AA Flight 191.
There were 3 other such crashes on the same day.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 12, 2020, 05:21:32 PM
Not to sound crass, but Flight 93 is recognized because of the selfless act of downing the plane before it could plow into the White House on one of the darkest days in our nation's history. Flight 191 was an accident. Lives were lost either way, but naming a highway after an accident doesn't seem appropriate. That would be like renaming the Kennedy the "Great Chicago Fire Highway."
United 93 was not purposely crashed into that abandoned strip coal mine, rather the passengers, including a licensed private pilot with a multi-engine rating and an FAA tower controller on a personal vacation, tried to take the airplane back from the terrorists - and almost succeeded. In the process, they saved the Capitol.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on February 12, 2020, 10:29:52 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 12, 2020, 05:21:32 PM
Not to sound crass, but Flight 93 is recognized because of the selfless act of downing the plane before it could plow into the White House on one of the darkest days in our nation's history. Flight 191 was an accident. Lives were lost either way, but naming a highway after an accident doesn't seem appropriate. That would be like renaming the Kennedy the "Great Chicago Fire Highway."
United 93 was not purposely crashed into that abandoned strip coal mine, rather the passengers, including a licensed private pilot with a multi-engine rating and an FAA tower controller on a personal vacation, tried to take the airplane back from the terrorists - and almost succeeded.
Mike
Not sure what I said was any different but whatever...
Quote from: mgk920 on February 12, 2020, 10:29:52 PM
United 93 was not purposely crashed into that abandoned strip coal mine, rather the passengers, including a licensed private pilot with a multi-engine rating and an FAA tower controller on a personal vacation, tried to take the airplane back from the terrorists - and almost succeeded. In the process, they saved the Capitol.
Not to question anything, but this is the first time I've heard that there was someone on board that had the kind of piloting certification and experience to have a reasonable ability to fly the plane at least to an emergency landing.
I too was wondering how to memorialize the death of the AA passengers and crew that the highway will go right over. I am thinking a usual green sign noting the location is adequate.
And yes, accidents do get memorialized to a lesser extent.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49530550402_546be26b59_z.jpg)
Quote from: edwaleni on February 13, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
I too was wondering how to memorialize the death of the AA passengers and crew that the highway will go right over. I am thinking a usual green sign noting the location is adequate.
And yes, accidents do get memorialized to a lesser extent.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49530550402_546be26b59_z.jpg)
And those are just as inane as this would be.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 13, 2020, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 13, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
I too was wondering how to memorialize the death of the AA passengers and crew that the highway will go right over. I am thinking a usual green sign noting the location is adequate.
And yes, accidents do get memorialized to a lesser extent.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49530550402_546be26b59_z.jpg)
And those are just as inane as this would be.
You think those signs are inane? Tell that to the South Dakota state government. They've put up at least 1,000 signs like that all over the state.
Quote from: X99 on February 13, 2020, 03:06:44 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 13, 2020, 02:34:00 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 13, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
I too was wondering how to memorialize the death of the AA passengers and crew that the highway will go right over. I am thinking a usual green sign noting the location is adequate.
And yes, accidents do get memorialized to a lesser extent.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49530550402_546be26b59_z.jpg)
And those are just as inane as this would be.
You think those signs are inane? Tell that to the South Dakota state government. They've put up at least 1,000 signs like that all over the state.
Yes. I think they are terrible.
Then there is Montana where the American Legion put up 2500 roadside crosses since the 1950s.
Quote from: edwaleni on February 09, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but any adjustments between I-390 and I-355 on I-290 was predicated on the agreement with CP Rail for changing out the bridge west of Itasca. CP wants IDOT to foot the bill 100%. Same CP Rail that was in a squabble with ISTHA over the I-390 link in Bensenville.
As I understand things, Metra owns that line although CP operates freight trains on it and has operational control (meaning it is dispatched by CP dispatchers and is in the CP employee's timetable (for a railroad, the employee's timetable is where speed limits and special instructions are listed)). But I believe any capital spending is controlled by Metra.
Quote from: lstone19 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:48 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 09, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but any adjustments between I-390 and I-355 on I-290 was predicated on the agreement with CP Rail for changing out the bridge west of Itasca. CP wants IDOT to foot the bill 100%. Same CP Rail that was in a squabble with ISTHA over the I-390 link in Bensenville.
As I understand things, Metra owns that line although CP operates freight trains on it and has operational control (meaning it is dispatched by CP dispatchers and is in the CP employee's timetable (for a railroad, the employee's timetable is where speed limits and special instructions are listed)). But I believe any capital spending is controlled by Metra.
maybe they can get one lane in there with no shoulder just for that one point.
Quote from: lstone19 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:48 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 09, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but any adjustments between I-390 and I-355 on I-290 was predicated on the agreement with CP Rail for changing out the bridge west of Itasca. CP wants IDOT to foot the bill 100%. Same CP Rail that was in a squabble with ISTHA over the I-390 link in Bensenville.
As I understand things, Metra owns that line although CP operates freight trains on it and has operational control (meaning it is dispatched by CP dispatchers and is in the CP employee's timetable (for a railroad, the employee's timetable is where speed limits and special instructions are listed)). But I believe any capital spending is controlled by Metra.
It is true that Metra owns most of the ROW, CP Rail has trackage and haulage rights along that specific route, all the way into the city to service what few remaining online customers are left.
This would include the overpass at I-290 in Itasca. However when IDOT proposed the changes to the bridge, it was CP Rail who complained the loudest because they use the line to get freight in and out between Bensenville and Spaulding Yards.
CP Rail owns the line from Sabula to Spaulding (Elgin). Metra owns 2 tracks from Spaulding to CUS except for tracks from Bryn Maur to the Bensenville Yard to the IHB. Metra only owns the two tracks on the north side of the yard, but the rest belongs to CP.
Quote from: edwaleni on February 14, 2020, 01:36:25 PM
Quote from: lstone19 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:48 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 09, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but any adjustments between I-390 and I-355 on I-290 was predicated on the agreement with CP Rail for changing out the bridge west of Itasca. CP wants IDOT to foot the bill 100%. Same CP Rail that was in a squabble with ISTHA over the I-390 link in Bensenville.
As I understand things, Metra owns that line although CP operates freight trains on it and has operational control (meaning it is dispatched by CP dispatchers and is in the CP employee's timetable (for a railroad, the employee's timetable is where speed limits and special instructions are listed)). But I believe any capital spending is controlled by Metra.
It is true that Metra owns most of the ROW, CP Rail has trackage and haulage rights along that specific route, all the way into the city to service what few remaining online customers are left.
This would include the overpass at I-290 in Itasca. However when IDOT proposed the changes to the bridge, it was CP Rail who complained the loudest because they use the line to get freight in and out between Bensenville and Spaulding Yards.
CP Rail owns the line from Sabula to Spaulding (Elgin). Metra owns 2 tracks from Spaulding to CUS except for tracks from Bryn Maur to the Bensenville Yard to the IHB. Metra only owns the two tracks on the north side of the yard, but the rest belongs to CP.
Some technical corrections (not that any of this is road related):
- Spaulding is the crossing of the line (Metra Milwaukee District West) with the Canadian National former Elgin Joliet & Eastern west of Bartlett. CP ownership ends west of the Big Timber Road station.
- Going east, CP operational control and freight rights end at Western Ave. East of Western Avenue to Canal St. (where Amtrak ownership begins), the passenger main tracks are Metra owned and dispatched while the freight rights to now just one industry, for historical reasons, are now with Norfolk Southern as successor to Conrail, before that Penn Central, before that the Pennsylvania, and originally a railroad nicknamed the Panhandle that ended up as a Pennsylvania subsidiary over 100 years ago which was the original owner of the north approach tracks to Union Station.
Anyway, just as we find the history of some roads fascinating, so is the history of some railroads.
As for CP's interest, I suspect it would have to do with maintaining capacity just as with the high-speed shoofly that is to be built for where the BNSF crosses I-294 while that bridge is lengthened. Weekdays, CP is constrained to operating between Metra's hourly off-peak service and I suspect CP's concern is making sure any long-term construction doesn't end up closing their freight windows between Metra trains.
Quote from: lstone19 on February 14, 2020, 03:11:57 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 14, 2020, 01:36:25 PM
Quote from: lstone19 on February 13, 2020, 11:30:48 PM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 09, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but any adjustments between I-390 and I-355 on I-290 was predicated on the agreement with CP Rail for changing out the bridge west of Itasca. CP wants IDOT to foot the bill 100%. Same CP Rail that was in a squabble with ISTHA over the I-390 link in Bensenville.
As I understand things, Metra owns that line although CP operates freight trains on it and has operational control (meaning it is dispatched by CP dispatchers and is in the CP employee's timetable (for a railroad, the employee's timetable is where speed limits and special instructions are listed)). But I believe any capital spending is controlled by Metra.
It is true that Metra owns most of the ROW, CP Rail has trackage and haulage rights along that specific route, all the way into the city to service what few remaining online customers are left.
This would include the overpass at I-290 in Itasca. However when IDOT proposed the changes to the bridge, it was CP Rail who complained the loudest because they use the line to get freight in and out between Bensenville and Spaulding Yards.
CP Rail owns the line from Sabula to Spaulding (Elgin). Metra owns 2 tracks from Spaulding to CUS except for tracks from Bryn Maur to the Bensenville Yard to the IHB. Metra only owns the two tracks on the north side of the yard, but the rest belongs to CP.
Some technical corrections (not that any of this is road related):
- Spaulding is the crossing of the line (Metra Milwaukee District West) with the Canadian National former Elgin Joliet & Eastern west of Bartlett. CP ownership ends west of the Big Timber Road station.
- Going east, CP operational control and freight rights end at Western Ave. East of Western Avenue to Canal St. (where Amtrak ownership begins), the passenger main tracks are Metra owned and dispatched while the freight rights to now just one industry, for historical reasons, are now with Norfolk Southern as successor to Conrail, before that Penn Central, before that the Pennsylvania, and originally a railroad nicknamed the Panhandle that ended up as a Pennsylvania subsidiary over 100 years ago which was the original owner of the north approach tracks to Union Station.
Anyway, just as we find the history of some roads fascinating, so is the history of some railroads.
As for CP's interest, I suspect it would have to do with maintaining capacity just as with the high-speed shoofly that is to be built for where the BNSF crosses I-294 while that bridge is lengthened. Weekdays, CP is constrained to operating between Metra's hourly off-peak service and I suspect CP's concern is making sure any long-term construction doesn't end up closing their freight windows between Metra trains.
I stand corrected.
Replying to the discussion about Flight 191, I personally don't believe naming the highway after that incident is really necessary. However, a sign marking the location of the crash site would be more appropriate.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 16, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
Replying to the discussion about Flight 191, I personally don't believe naming the highway after that incident is really necessary. However, a sign marking the location of the crash site would be more appropriate.
Wikipedia:
For 32 years there was no permanent memorial to the victims. Funding was obtained for a memorial in 2009, through a two-year effort by the sixth-grade class of Decatur Classical School in Chicago. The memorial, a 2-foot-high (0.6 m) concave wall with interlocking bricks displaying the names of the crash victims, was formally dedicated in a ceremony on October 15, 2011. The memorial is located at Lake Park at the northwest corner of Lee and Touhy Avenues, two miles east of the crash site.
https://www.dpparks.org/parks-facilities/lake-park/flight-191-memorial/
I think a sign in remembrance of Flight 191 would probably be enough. I merely made the suggestion to name the highway after the road as a way to stimulate a conversation on this board. The highway will likely remain named as O'Hare's Western Bypass.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 17, 2020, 03:34:51 PM
I think a sign in remembrance of Flight 191 would probably be enough. I merely made the suggestion to name the highway after the road as a way to stimulate a conversation on this board. The highway will likely remain named as O'Hare's Western Bypass.
I share the sentiments, but I can't imagine it keeping that name long.
The days of ISTHA roads keeping their generic titles are over.
At this point it could be named the Kobe Bryant Highway. But it will probably be someone a little more political.
Since most of our former govs are in jail or just coming out, and its not "big enough" for a mayor, and too small for a president.
20% more or less will reside in DuPage County, I will guess it will be some old dead Illinois politico that served in Congress.
It will be the least controversial.
John McAuley Palmer (1817-1900), a US Senator for Illinois (1891-1897) was elected as a Republican, but switched to being a Democrat later, and helped get Abraham Lincoln elected as President. He ran for President as a Democrat on the platform of keeping the gold standard, but was 79 years old. He was a Civil War general.
There is also an elementary school in Chicago named after him.
He checks all the right buttons. Easy to say on the WBBM traffic report on the 10's. "No delays on the Palmer".
For a State that claims to be the Land of Lincoln, the fact there is no Lincoln Freeway/Expressway/Tollway has always seemed odd to me
And before anyone objects due to Lincoln Highway, IDOT has no problem with having a Kingery Expressway and Kingery Highway
Sorry, Adlai Stevenson, but I-55 should have been named after Lincoln, not you. And kept the name the whole route between Chicago and St Louis thru Lincoln and Springfield instead of just Cook County, but that name change is not happening anytime soon
Knowing Illinois, would they name it after Obama?
Quote from: Big John on February 17, 2020, 09:55:42 PM
Knowing Illinois, would they name it after Obama?
Not yet. We waited until Reagan passed until I-88 was renamed from the East-West Tollway to the Ronald Reagan Tollway
Still waiting on the Richard J Daley Freeway/Expressway/Tollway, or possibly the Richard M Daley Freeway/Expressway/Tollway
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 17, 2020, 09:50:39 PM
For a State that claims to be the Land of Lincoln, the fact there is no Lincoln Freeway/Expressway/Tollway has always seemed odd to me
No Lincoln International Airport, either.
Quote from: Beltway on February 17, 2020, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 17, 2020, 09:50:39 PM
For a State that claims to be the Land of Lincoln, the fact there is no Lincoln Freeway/Expressway/Tollway has always seemed odd to me
No Lincoln International Airport, either.
Do have Abraham Lincoln Capital Airport/SPI in Springfield
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 17, 2020, 09:50:39 PM
For a State that claims to be the Land of Lincoln, the fact there is no Lincoln Freeway/Expressway/Tollway has always seemed odd to me
And before anyone objects due to Lincoln Highway, IDOT has no problem with having a Kingery Expressway and Kingery Highway
Sorry, Adlai Stevenson, but I-55 should have been named after Lincoln, not you. And kept the name the whole route between Chicago and St Louis thru Lincoln and Springfield instead of just Cook County, but that name change is not happening anytime soon
You realize there are tons of things named after Lincoln in Illinois right? Including something like 90 schools and Lincoln Park in Chicago, which are IMO a much better things to name after someone than a strip of concrete.
Quote from: Big John on February 17, 2020, 09:55:42 PM
Knowing Illinois, would they name it after Obama?
There is already a constituency that wants to rename I-57 south of I-80 the Barack Obama Highway.
US 30 is already Lincoln Highway. The Abraham Lincoln Bridge is the I-39 bridge over the Illinois River.
The other option was to name the bypass the Charles Percy Tollway, but he was a Republican Senator and Chicago Dems would object. That is why Palmer works. he was both GOP and Dem.
Hopefully, if the West O'Hare Bypass does get a new name, they don't name it after the recently-pardoned ex-governor Rod Blagojevich.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 19, 2020, 06:03:53 PM
Hopefully, if the West O'Hare Bypass does get a new name, they don't name it after the recently-pardoned ex-governor Rod Blagojevich.
When I moved to the Chicago area some 20+ years ago, I wondered why most of the roads (and in particular the tollways) were referred to by the locals by their number rather than their name. They can name it what they want but I doubt I'll refer to it as anything other than 490. To the extent I use names for the tollways (less and less as time goes by), they're still the Tri-State, East-West, Northwest, and North-South and never for the latter three, today's official names for them.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 19, 2020, 06:03:53 PM
Hopefully, if the West O'Hare Bypass does get a new name, they don't name it after the recently-pardoned ex-governor Rod Blagojevich.
Blago was not pardoned, only his sentence was commuted to time served. The conviction is still on his record.
Mike
and blago may have to gift the name to trump.
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on February 20, 2020, 01:27:26 PM
and blago may have to gift the name to trump.
:rofl:
[rant]I absolutely detest that he got out early. He violated the public trust, and still doesn't fucking understand that what he did was so fucking wrong! :angry: :banghead:[/rant]
Quote from: Brandon on February 20, 2020, 01:30:54 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on February 20, 2020, 01:27:26 PM
and blago may have to gift the name to trump.
:rofl:
[rant]I absolutely detest that he got out early. He violated the public trust, and still doesn't fucking understand that what he did was so fucking wrong! :angry: :banghead:[/rant]
Look who commuted the sentence.
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 17, 2020, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 17, 2020, 09:55:42 PM
Knowing Illinois, would they name it after Obama?
Not yet. We waited until Reagan passed until I-88 was renamed from the East-West Tollway to the Ronald Reagan Tollway
Still waiting on the Richard J Daley Freeway/Expressway/Tollway, or possibly the Richard M Daley Freeway/Expressway/Tollway
Actually, officially, I-55 has 2 names. The Stevenson and The "Barack Obama Presidential Expressway". There are a few of those signs up. One is in place on I-55 SB at I-294.
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 22, 2020, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 17, 2020, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 17, 2020, 09:55:42 PM
Knowing Illinois, would they name it after Obama?
Not yet. We waited until Reagan passed until I-88 was renamed from the East-West Tollway to the Ronald Reagan Tollway
Still waiting on the Richard J Daley Freeway/Expressway/Tollway, or possibly the Richard M Daley Freeway/Expressway/Tollway
Actually, officially, I-55 has 2 names. The Stevenson and The "Barack Obama Presidential Expressway". There are a few of those signs up. One is in place on I-55 SB at I-294.
It would be pretty egregious to try and name yet another highway after him, especially considering he's only been out of office for about 3 years. If you want to slap names on highways, roads, etc., it would be nice if (a) you waited a bit longer to do so, possibly after that person is out of the active political circle, and (b) not name several main roads in the same region after the same person at the same time.
More likely, 490 will just be named after some random
corrupt Illinois politician. In an ideal world, it would receive no other name (at least in my opinion).
Quote from: JoePCool14 on February 24, 2020, 09:35:17 AM
Quote from: hobsini2 on February 22, 2020, 06:07:54 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 17, 2020, 10:01:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on February 17, 2020, 09:55:42 PM
Knowing Illinois, would they name it after Obama?
Not yet. We waited until Reagan passed until I-88 was renamed from the East-West Tollway to the Ronald Reagan Tollway
Still waiting on the Richard J Daley Freeway/Expressway/Tollway, or possibly the Richard M Daley Freeway/Expressway/Tollway
Actually, officially, I-55 has 2 names. The Stevenson and The "Barack Obama Presidential Expressway". There are a few of those signs up. One is in place on I-55 SB at I-294.
It would be pretty egregious to try and name yet another highway after him, especially considering he's only been out of office for about 3 years. If you want to slap names on highways, roads, etc., it would be nice if (a) you waited a bit longer to do so, possibly after that person is out of the active political circle, and (b) not name several main roads in the same region after the same person at the same time.
More likely, 490 will just be named after some random corrupt Illinois politician. In an ideal world, it would receive no other name (at least in my opinion).
My brother suggested it be called the Ernie Banks or Minnie Minoso. He said we already have the Walter Payton Highway (US-34). I don't think anyone wants to call US-51 the Butkus.
Quote from: edwaleni on February 24, 2020, 11:18:41 AM
My brother suggested it be called the Ernie Banks or Minnie Minoso. He said we already have the Walter Payton Highway (US-34). I don't think anyone wants to call US-51 the Butkus.
If US 51 connected Chicago to Urbana-Champaign (instead of US 45) I bet it would already be the Dick Butkus Highway
When did IDOT designate US 34 the Payton Highway? Is it actually signed anywhere?
I thought, not too long after Sweetness's death, that Ogden Ave should have been renamed Walter Payton Ave...this is not quite the same, but similar
They should change the route number to 890 and name the highway after Coach Ditka.
Quote from: Konza on February 25, 2020, 01:01:38 AM
They should change the route number to 890 and name the highway after Coach Ditka.
"Welcome to the Mike Ditka Tollway" (with the Ditka "flying the bird" Picture) would be a great Welcoming sign to the roadway
Ironically the Tollway is obnoxious and overrated- just like Ditka.
Seems very appropriate.
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 25, 2020, 12:56:10 AM
When did IDOT designate US 34 the Payton Highway? Is it actually signed anywhere?
I thought, not too long after Sweetness's death, that Ogden Ave should have been renamed Walter Payton Ave...this is not quite the same, but similar
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet91/summary/910HJR0071.html
Names Interstate 72, traversing through the heart of Illinois as
the Purple Heart Memorial Highway. Designates that portion of
Interstate 74 between Interstate 57 and U.S. Route 45 as Veterans
Memorial Parkway. Designates a specified route as the Historic
Lincoln Highway. Designates Interstate 39 from its point of origin in
Winnebago County to its intersection with Interstate Route 88 as E.J.
"Zeke" Giorgi Highway.
Designates U.S. Route 34 the Walter Payton
Memorial Highway. Designates U.S. Route 40 the Historic National Road.
Urges the Illinois Department of Transportation to name the bridge on
South Chatham Road, crossing Interstate 72 and Route 36, the Thomas
William Davenport Memorial Bridge. Names the part of Interstate 57 of
the National System of Interstate and Defense Highways which is within
Illinois as the Thurgood Marshall Memorial Freeway. Renames the Poplar
Street Bridge the Mark McGwire Bridge. Designates Illinois Route 50
from North Street to Larry Power Road in Bradley the Kenneth P. Hayes
Memorial Highway.
To answer your question on signage....
To my knowledge and from my driving, I have not seen a sign identifying it as a memorial highway.
Google Maps defines it as such from the beginning of US-34 in Riverside all the way to the Great River Bridge in Burlington, Iowa. In fact some people have come to calling the bridge in Burlington the Walter Payton Highway Memorial Bridge, which is inaccurate.
Knowing how IDOT works, if the legislature makes a pronouncement like this but provides no money to create and deploy signage, then you probably won't see anything.
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 25, 2020, 12:56:10 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 24, 2020, 11:18:41 AM
My brother suggested it be called the Ernie Banks or Minnie Minoso. He said we already have the Walter Payton Highway (US-34). I don't think anyone wants to call US-51 the Butkus.
If US 51 connected Chicago to Urbana-Champaign (instead of US 45) I bet it would already be the Dick Butkus Highway
When did IDOT designate US 34 the Payton Highway? Is it actually signed anywhere?
I thought, not too long after Sweetness's death, that Ogden Ave should have been renamed Walter Payton Ave...this is not quite the same, but similar
I seem to recall seeing a sign for Walter Payton Highway in Oswego near IL 71.
how will this improve traffic in the area?
Quote from: hobsini2 on March 07, 2020, 01:55:24 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 25, 2020, 12:56:10 AM
Quote from: edwaleni on February 24, 2020, 11:18:41 AM
My brother suggested it be called the Ernie Banks or Minnie Minoso. He said we already have the Walter Payton Highway (US-34). I don't think anyone wants to call US-51 the Butkus.
If US 51 connected Chicago to Urbana-Champaign (instead of US 45) I bet it would already be the Dick Butkus Highway
When did IDOT designate US 34 the Payton Highway? Is it actually signed anywhere?
I thought, not too long after Sweetness's death, that Ogden Ave should have been renamed Walter Payton Ave...this is not quite the same, but similar
I seem to recall seeing a sign for Walter Payton Highway in Oswego near IL 71.
That sign says "Leon McNair Highway"
Quote from: silverback1065 on March 18, 2020, 07:02:15 PM
how will this improve traffic in the area?
Take a lot of traffic off the Tri-State which has been notorious for having nasty backups, especially southbound from the Bensenville Bridge up to Willow Road. It could also help take truck traffic off local roads that needs to get through EGV and Bensenville.
Between this and the expansion on 294, traffic should be moving smoothly around O'Hare.
Quote from: ET21 on March 28, 2020, 09:34:41 AM
Take a lot of traffic off the Tri-State which has been notorious for having nasty backups, especially southbound from the Bensenville Bridge up to Willow Road. It could also help take truck traffic off local roads that needs to get through EGV and Bensenville.
Between this and the expansion on 294, traffic should be moving smoothly around O'Hare.
^ But I have to wonder if it may lead to a new bottleneck on the Tri-State at the south end of I-490.
Also have to wonder why the southbound afternoon backups seem to stop at the Bensenville Bridge - there aren't any lane reductions there, any exits to loose a lot of vehicles, or a major entrance nearby.
Elk Grove Village and Bensenville already have two good north-south arterials with IL 83 and the section of York Road north of IL 19/Irving Park. I could see part of I-490 south of IL 390 being underutilized, especially if the tolls are set too high.
Quote from: Revive 755 on March 28, 2020, 12:53:12 PM
Elk Grove Village and Bensenville already have two good north-south arterials with IL 83 and the section of York Road north of IL 19/Irving Park. I could see part of I-490 south of IL 390 being underutilized, especially if the tolls are set too high.
You obviously haven't driven either of those roads in rush hour.
But as to purpose of I-490, just think of it as a pair of extra long ramps connecting I-294 south of the O'Hare complex to I-90 west of the O'Hare complex and replacing (except for local traffic) the equivalent ramps in the O'Hare interchange complex. Hopefully given that purpose, the Tollway will charge the same toll for through traffic using I-490 as they'd pay going through the O'Hare complex (currently $0.75 I-Pass for moves between the I-290/I-90 interchange in Schaumburg and the I-290/I-294 interchange in Hillside. A higher toll would just bias traffic to going the old way through the O'Hare complex.
Yeah I avoid IL-83 and York/Elmhurst Road during rush. Truck traffic is very heavy
It's happening!
Illinois Tollway reaches railroad deal, paving the way for construction of a beltway around O'Hare (https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/transportation/ct-biz-tollway-railroads-soo-union-pacific-cp-ohare-construction-20200521-hujurhm45ngb7dir7otjphphey-story.html)
QuoteThe Illinois Tollway board on Thursday approved agreements with two major railroads, which will make possible long-anticipated western highway access into O'Hare International Airport.
The agreement with the Soo Line Railroad Co., doing business as Canadian Pacific, and Union Pacific Railroad provides the Tollway with the property rights it needs to build a planned beltway around O'Hare.
QuoteThe new I-490 Tollway is scheduled to be complete by the end of 2025 and will carry north-south traffic around the western border of O'Hare and provide access to the airport, according to the Tollway. The Illinois Route 390 Tollway, which currently carries east-west traffic between Lake Street (Illinois Route 20) and Illinois Route 83, will include an interchange connection to I-490.
https://www.illinoistollway.com/documents/20184/051d0ec7-eb5e-a2a8-6bb9-2cef27438105
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 25, 2020, 01:11:48 AM
Quote from: Konza on February 25, 2020, 01:01:38 AM
They should change the route number to 890 and name the highway after Coach Ditka.
"Welcome to the Mike Ditka Tollway" (with the Ditka "flying the bird" Picture) would be a great Welcoming sign to the roadway
Most people would just call it "Da Deet-ka".
Quote from: thenetwork on June 21, 2020, 12:25:29 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on February 25, 2020, 01:11:48 AM
Quote from: Konza on February 25, 2020, 01:01:38 AM
They should change the route number to 890 and name the highway after Coach Ditka.
"Welcome to the Mike Ditka Tollway" (with the Ditka "flying the bird" Picture) would be a great Welcoming sign to the roadway
Most people would just call it "Da Deet-ka".
Or Da Cochhhhh
I trust IL-390, when complete, will become I-390? :D
Quote from: DJ Particle on June 22, 2020, 03:15:16 AM
I trust IL-390, when complete, will become I-390? :D
Tough to say, maybe when I-490 is built and at least connected to either I-90 or I-294. I know it doesn't and will not likely connect to its parent (unless for some reason decades from now it is extended West and then over the Elgin bypass and then connects to I-90 somewhere near Hampshire or that area, but I'll stop as I am getting very much into fictional territory). That said, there is precedent for child interstates not connecting to their parents (see the x78s in NYC).
Quote from: ChiMilNet on June 27, 2020, 05:20:50 PM
That said, there is precedent for child interstates not connecting to their parents (see the x78s in NYC).
And I-280, I-380, and I-980 in the San Francisco Bay area, I-105 in Los Angeles, and I-990 in Buffalo.
Signage has been hoisted on eastbound 390 east of Busse. They do not have the I-490 shield but clearly looks like it is the split between the I-490 ramp and the York Road exit. Interesting note, it has a TO IL-19 on the split, showing that you might have to use York Road to access IL-19 Irving Park Road
Quote from: ET21 on November 16, 2020, 09:50:49 AM
Signage has been hoisted on eastbound 390 east of Busse. They do not have the I-490 shield but clearly looks like it is the split between the I-490 ramp and the York Road exit. Interesting note, it has a TO IL-19 on the split, showing that you might have to use York Road to access IL-19 Irving Park Road
Those signs don't look like they have enough space for a full I-490 shield - wonder if the plan is to open the road to IL 19/Irving Park next?
There's also a bunch of new ground mounted assemblies east of IL 83, installed so the plain metal side faces traffic for now, with a blue north banner and a "TO TOLL I- [part blocked by the sign post] 0" on a rectangular sign, white text on a blue background.
Quote from: ET21 on November 16, 2020, 09:50:49 AM
Signage has been hoisted on eastbound 390 east of Busse. They do not have the I-490 shield but clearly looks like it is the split between the I-490 ramp and the York Road exit. Interesting note, it has a TO IL-19 on the split, showing that you might have to use York Road to access IL-19 Irving Park Road
Can you see enough legend to confirm there's no issue with the wrong sized lower case letters? Some of the Elmhurst Rd signs on the Jane Addams Tollway near the future I-490 interchange are really bad.
Quote from: machias on January 30, 2021, 11:51:09 PM
Quote from: ET21 on November 16, 2020, 09:50:49 AM
Signage has been hoisted on eastbound 390 east of Busse. They do not have the I-490 shield but clearly looks like it is the split between the I-490 ramp and the York Road exit. Interesting note, it has a TO IL-19 on the split, showing that you might have to use York Road to access IL-19 Irving Park Road
Can you see enough legend to confirm there's no issue with the wrong sized lower case letters? Some of the Elmhurst Rd signs on the Jane Addams Tollway near the future I-490 interchange are really bad.
Yes, please do. And if so, flood ISTHA's email inbox.
It seems that the Tollway hasn't done much to update the project pages for I-490, although the other route pages seem to have been updated for March. Anyone have any latest on this, and why there seems to be a somewhat suspicious lack of updates on this particular tollway?
Quote from: ChiMilNet on March 03, 2021, 11:11:53 AM
It seems that the Tollway hasn't done much to update the project pages for I-490, although the other route pages seem to have been updated for March. Anyone have any latest on this, and why there seems to be a somewhat suspicious lack of updates on this particular tollway?
The new I-490 Tollway, scheduled to be complete by the end of 2025, coupled with the Illinois Route 390 Tollway which was completed in 2017Construction of the new I-490 Tollway is planned to cross the Union Pacific Railroad at several
locations, including where western access into and out of O'Hare International Airport is planned, as
well as near the Tri-State Tollway (I-294) at the location of the future I-490/I-294 Interchange. The new
I-490 Tollway is also planned to cross over the Canadian Pacific at several locations including where
western access to the airport is planned and in the Canadian Pacific's Bensenville Yard. The project will
require relocating Canadian Pacific trackage south of the yard.
The agreements would also provide the Tollway with property rights that will advance adjacent projects
supporting construction of Cook County's planned improvements to Touhy Avenue, which include
replacement of the at-grade crossing at the Union Pacific Railroad with a new bridge that will relieve
congestion and improve access to the north side of O'Hare International Airport.
The engineering involved that meets the complexity of these requirements in lieu of Covid is probably why its dragging its feet.
The original plan that was published was based on what ISTHA wanted, not necessarily what CP Railroad agreed to.
If history holds up, they are probably waiting on CP Rail to relocate their tracks.
https://icc.illinois.gov/rail-safety/crossing/174087Y/inventory
CONVERT TO A GRADE SEP BY NOV 2021 AS PART OF O'HARE WESTERN BYPASS
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on March 03, 2021, 03:08:29 PM
https://icc.illinois.gov/rail-safety/crossing/174087Y/inventory
CONVERT TO A GRADE SEP BY NOV 2021 AS PART OF O'HARE WESTERN BYPASS
So I wonder if their plan is to wait for the track crossing to be built and go from there? I thought I recalled it would be the other way around and the connection from I-90 to IL-390 would be completed first, then the connection to I-294.
Quote from: ChiMilNet on March 03, 2021, 09:28:35 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on March 03, 2021, 03:08:29 PM
https://icc.illinois.gov/rail-safety/crossing/174087Y/inventory
CONVERT TO A GRADE SEP BY NOV 2021 AS PART OF O'HARE WESTERN BYPASS
So I wonder if their plan is to wait for the track crossing to be built and go from there? I thought I recalled it would be the other way around and the connection from I-90 to IL-390 would be completed first, then the connection to I-294.
My understanding is the grade separation on IL 72/Touhy is separate from the main I-490 contracts, with Cook County being the lead on the grade separation.
EDIT: Going through the ICC dockets, there is a partial plan set in there for the IL 72 project. https://icc.illinois.gov/docket/T2016-0042/documents/250422/files/441812.pdf (https://icc.illinois.gov/docket/T2016-0042/documents/250422/files/441812.pdf)
Quote from: Revive 755 on March 03, 2021, 09:55:26 PM
Quote from: ChiMilNet on March 03, 2021, 09:28:35 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on March 03, 2021, 03:08:29 PM
https://icc.illinois.gov/rail-safety/crossing/174087Y/inventory
CONVERT TO A GRADE SEP BY NOV 2021 AS PART OF O'HARE WESTERN BYPASS
So I wonder if their plan is to wait for the track crossing to be built and go from there? I thought I recalled it would be the other way around and the connection from I-90 to IL-390 would be completed first, then the connection to I-294.
My understanding is the grade separation on IL 72/Touhy is separate from the main I-490 contracts, with Cook County being the lead on the grade separation.
EDIT: Going through the ICC dockets, there is a partial plan set in there for the IL 72 project. https://icc.illinois.gov/docket/T2016-0042/documents/250422/files/441812.pdf (https://icc.illinois.gov/docket/T2016-0042/documents/250422/files/441812.pdf)
That is probably the best info we're going to get on that. Cook County may update their project information once a year, if that.
Quote from: ChiMilNet on March 03, 2021, 09:28:35 PM
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on March 03, 2021, 03:08:29 PM
https://icc.illinois.gov/rail-safety/crossing/174087Y/inventory
CONVERT TO A GRADE SEP BY NOV 2021 AS PART OF O'HARE WESTERN BYPASS
So I wonder if their plan is to wait for the track crossing to be built and go from there? I thought I recalled it would be the other way around and the connection from I-90 to IL-390 would be completed first, then the connection to I-294.
The IL-390 ramps are pretty much ready to go, much of the ground ramps and some bridges were done last year. The I-294 ramps are expected to begin getting built this summer with the continued expansion work on the St. Charles to O'Hare Oasis section
Quote from: lstone19 on June 27, 2020, 05:46:00 PM
Quote from: ChiMilNet on June 27, 2020, 05:20:50 PM
That said, there is precedent for child interstates not connecting to their parents (see the x78s in NYC).
And I-280, I-380, and I-980 in the San Francisco Bay area, I-105 in Los Angeles, and I-990 in Buffalo.
Also, I-175 and I-375 in Tampa/St. Petersburg, I-795 in Baltimore and I-585 in Spartanburg.
Yes there is plenty of precedent for what one could call 'grandchild interstates'.
Massive bump on this thread.
We drove the Tri-State past O'Hare yesterday. Bridge supports are finally going up for the future ramps for I-490. I'm very curious how they have this all designed. Whenever we drive through there, it feels like there's barely any room.
Anyone else have any other news or photos?
Quote from: JoePCool14 on August 11, 2021, 12:01:46 PM
Massive bump on this thread.
We drove the Tri-State past O'Hare yesterday. Bridge supports are finally going up for the future ramps for I-490. I'm very curious how they have this all designed. Whenever we drive through there, it feels like there's barely any room.
Anyone else have any other news or photos?
The project page here has some helpful information with that. https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/490/294-interchange-project
The industrial area west of O'Hare was losing tenants and business due to traffic, so the new 490/390 is a big help. Also, the train overpass on Irving was long overdue.
Posted elsewhere, but also hope 490 relieves truck traffic from the "Woodfield Cloverleaf".
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 07, 2021, 10:41:33 PM
Posted elsewhere, but also hope 490 relieves truck traffic from the "Woodfield Cloverleaf".
Doubtful. A local newspaper report a few months ago implied the toll for using 490 will be more than the toll for going 294/90 via east of O'Hare (20 cents per mile (same as IL-390) for I-Pass cars).
If people use I-290 to avoid a toll, doubtful they'll go an even more expensive route even if it's a couple of minutes faster than going east of O'Hare. The backups at Woodfield and at I-290/I-294 say they value their money far more than their time.
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Quote from: lstone19 on September 07, 2021, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 07, 2021, 10:41:33 PM
Posted elsewhere, but also hope 490 relieves truck traffic from the "Woodfield Cloverleaf".
Doubtful. A local newspaper report a few months ago implied the toll for using 490 will be more than the toll for going 294/90 via east of O'Hare (20 cents per mile (same as IL-390) for I-Pass cars).
If people use I-290 to avoid a toll, doubtful they'll go an even more expensive route even if it's a couple of minutes faster than going east of O'Hare. The backups at Woodfield and at I-290/I-294 say they value their money far more than their time.
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well with AET other roads can have there tolling rates changes / add more toll points.
The Street View image at the future Interstate 90/490 interchange shows construction underway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0145987,-87.9258552,3a,75y,114.78h,77.96t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5zMQRVKLf1rFwPsRXbsPOA!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192. However, the Satellite Map still shows part of the old Des Plaines Service Area: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0144674,-87.9262149,992m/data=!3m1!1e3. Hopefully this will soon be updated, though I am not holding my breath.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 08, 2021, 12:36:53 PM
The Street View image at the future Interstate 90/490 interchange shows construction underway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0145987,-87.9258552,3a,75y,114.78h,77.96t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5zMQRVKLf1rFwPsRXbsPOA!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192. However, the Satellite Map still shows part of the old Des Plaines Service Area: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0144674,-87.9262149,992m/data=!3m1!1e3. Hopefully this will soon be updated, though I am not holding my breath.
Dude, the bridges are done. They're waiting with making the roads until the rest of the route is started
Quote from: SSOWorld on September 09, 2021, 09:03:11 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 08, 2021, 12:36:53 PM
The Street View image at the future Interstate 90/490 interchange shows construction underway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0145987,-87.9258552,3a,75y,114.78h,77.96t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5zMQRVKLf1rFwPsRXbsPOA!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192. However, the Satellite Map still shows part of the old Des Plaines Service Area: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0144674,-87.9262149,992m/data=!3m1!1e3. Hopefully this will soon be updated, though I am not holding my breath.
Dude, the bridges are done. They're waiting with making the roads until the rest of the route is started
And, as I type, dirt is moving on the rest of I-490.
Quote from: Brandon on September 10, 2021, 03:36:42 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on September 09, 2021, 09:03:11 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 08, 2021, 12:36:53 PM
The Street View image at the future Interstate 90/490 interchange shows construction underway: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0145987,-87.9258552,3a,75y,114.78h,77.96t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5zMQRVKLf1rFwPsRXbsPOA!2e0!5s20190801T000000!7i16384!8i8192. However, the Satellite Map still shows part of the old Des Plaines Service Area: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0144674,-87.9262149,992m/data=!3m1!1e3. Hopefully this will soon be updated, though I am not holding my breath.
Dude, the bridges are done. They're waiting with making the roads until the rest of the route is started
And, as I type, dirt is moving on the rest of I-490.
With bridge pillars rising around I-294 and Mt Prospect Road where I-490 will connect to it.
If someone driving or passing by could grab some pictures of the work on I-490, that would be appreciated.
Unless someone knows where a webcam service is available.
Quote from: edwaleni on September 11, 2021, 04:14:37 PM
If someone driving or passing by could grab some pictures of the work on I-490, that would be appreciated.
Unless someone knows where a webcam service is available.
Best I could do is pull the live camera feed from the Tollway's website.
https://www.illinoistollway.com/projects/490/294-interchange-project
Scroll down.
I'm glad to hear that the progress is speeding up. And from what I hear, it's going to be a great alternative to those who wish to avoid the airport traffic.
I-490 and 390 are fast tracked, while eastern 290, the Ike, is still a "bucolic" and "historic" 6 lane X-way, with left exits, [pure sarcasm] :crazy:
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 13, 2021, 08:26:02 PM
I-490 and 390 are fast tracked, while eastern 290, the Ike, is still a "bucolic" and "historic" 6 lane X-way, with left exits, [pure sarcasm] :crazy:
That's the first time I've heard the Eisenhower Expressway called "bucolic." :wow: :)
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 13, 2021, 08:26:02 PM
I-490 and 390 are fast tracked, while eastern 290, the Ike, is still a "bucolic" and "historic" 6 lane X-way, with left exits, [pure sarcasm] :crazy:
I-490 and 390 are tolled 290 is free. At least 290 is getting some upgrades at I-294 / I-88
Quote from: Joe The Dragon on September 13, 2021, 11:25:58 PM
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 13, 2021, 08:26:02 PM
I-490 and 390 are fast tracked, while eastern 290, the Ike, is still a "bucolic" and "historic" 6 lane X-way, with left exits, [pure sarcasm] :crazy:
I-490 and 390 are tolled 290 is free. At least 290 is getting some upgrades at I-294 / I-88
For which all of the 290 improvements are being led and financed by the Tollway... because... Illinois :-/
Ike rebuild is dragging on due to fingers in the pie, Oak Park wants ''No Build'', and city wants more transit, like dedicated bus lanes,
I meant as joke in that Eisenhower looks like it did in 1960, so "bucolic" :-D :banghead:
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 14, 2021, 12:33:59 AM
Ike rebuild is dragging on due to fingers in the pie, Oak Park wants ''No Build'', and city wants more transit, like dedicated bus lanes,
Oak Park was actually the first municipality along the corridor to sign a Letter of Intent agreeing to the cost share of the various improvements outlined in the study completed in 2017. The City of Chicago doesn't maintain the expressway system within city limits, like it does state and county arterial and collector roads, and the setup for additional lanes would actually be a boon for bus transit. CTA rapid transit would also get a bunch of improvements from the project. The issue now is largely the sticker price.
https://www.eisenhowerexpressway.com/
Check here, funding is held up.
Regarding Oak Park, it was a resident who commented in Trib, "don't want to make it easier for people in Naperville to drive to Loop." And one wanted to "landmark" the left hand ramps, to keep 290 narrow. But, if their City gov't is helping, good for them.
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 14, 2021, 05:30:28 PM
https://www.eisenhowerexpressway.com/
Check here, funding is held up.
Regarding Oak Park, it was a resident who commented in Trib, "don't want to make it easier for people in Naperville to drive to Loop." And one wanted to "landmark" the left hand ramps, to keep 290 narrow. But, if their City gov't is helping, good for them.
As a former Oak Park resident, that comment doesn't surprise me one bit.
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 14, 2021, 05:59:39 PM
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 14, 2021, 05:30:28 PM
https://www.eisenhowerexpressway.com/
Check here, funding is held up.
Regarding Oak Park, it was a resident who commented in Trib, "don't want to make it easier for people in Naperville to drive to Loop." And one wanted to "landmark" the left hand ramps, to keep 290 narrow. But, if their City gov't is helping, good for them.
As a former Oak Park resident, that comment doesn't surprise me one bit.
In my opinion, give Oak Park two choices, either allow the widening and fixing the ramps to make them conventional or tell Oak Park they will be removed to allow for widening and no replacement ramps built. If they don't want to play nice, skip over their city!
Quote from: ChiMilNet on September 14, 2021, 08:26:44 PM
In my opinion, give Oak Park two choices, either allow the widening and fixing the ramps to make them conventional or tell Oak Park they will be removed to allow for widening and no replacement ramps built. If they don't want to play nice, skip over their city!
Again, Oak Park has a
Quote from: ChiMilNet on September 14, 2021, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on September 14, 2021, 05:59:39 PM
Quote from: US20IL64 on September 14, 2021, 05:30:28 PM
https://www.eisenhowerexpressway.com/
Check here, funding is held up.
Regarding Oak Park, it was a resident who commented in Trib, "don't want to make it easier for people in Naperville to drive to Loop." And one wanted to "landmark" the left hand ramps, to keep 290 narrow. But, if their City gov't is helping, good for them.
As a former Oak Park resident, that comment doesn't surprise me one bit.
In my opinion, give Oak Park two choices, either allow the widening and fixing the ramps to make them conventional or tell Oak Park they will be removed to allow for widening and no replacement ramps built. If they don't want to play nice, skip over their city!
As I stated before, the village government is on board with the replacement of the left hand ramps with right hand ramps, as well as the other currently planned improvements. A lot of the hard opposition within the village government went away when the current mayor got in. He is not running for re-election, so who knows what the future brings. One key factor is that there are some issues with village maintenance of the bridges across 290 from the original construction and agreements that are becoming expensive to fix, and the village would like to get them rebuilt.
Learned that what I called "X Interchange" is actually SPUI. So put more of them in our area. I-55 [Stevie X-Way] at Central Av is one example.