New Jersey

[jeffandnicole]

Turnpike has nothing to do with their shield on a sign, just like they would have no impact on Delaware signing the Turnpike, PA signing the Turnpike, etc.

That is true, but is this interchange in DRPA jurisdiction? How much of NJ 90 is maintained by the DRPA? I've seen NJTA signs close to the turnpike, but outside the turnpike proper. Or at least I think I have.

It often depends on the interchange.  On I-195, the signage is NJDOT signage.  On NJ 73, the ground-mounted signage was placed there by NJTA; however, they most likely sought permission from NJDOT to place NJTA signage on NJDOT jurisdiction.  At Exit 8, where the NJ Turnpike reconstructed the interchange with 33/133, most of that signage is NJTA signage.  Coming off the Delaware Memorial Bridge, this sign: https://goo.gl/maps/euLSyFCnAEU2 appears to be part Turnpike (note the rounded corners), part NJDOT (note the squared corners), on what is probably a DRBA overhead gantry.

Determining the jurisdiction of Rt. 90 is fairly easy: If it's DRPA jurisdiction, the speed limit is 45 mph, because that's what the DRPA uses for all their roadways, regardless if it's appropriate or not.  On NJDOT's portion of Rt. 90, it's 50 mph.  It could probably be 55 mph if DRPA would agree to their section being 55 mph as well.

[NJRoadfan]

RE: DMB signs, its DRBA jurisdiction to the NJ-49/US-130 overpass. The left sign for the NJTP is likely NJTPA, the rest is DRBA.

Meanwhile southbound there is a DRBA gantry and signs for Exit 1 and a NJDOT municipal border sign on NJTPA roadway (fun fact, I-295 is maintained by the NJTPA from the merge to the Exit 1 overpass).

Interchanges like this are where the straight line diagram exploded view comes in handy.

[Alps]

RE: DMB signs, its DRBA jurisdiction to the NJ-49/US-130 overpass. The left sign for the NJTP is likely NJTPA, the rest is DRBA.

Meanwhile southbound there is a DRBA gantry and signs for Exit 1 and a NJDOT municipal border sign on NJTPA roadway (fun fact, I-295 is maintained by the NJTPA from the merge to the Exit 1 overpass).

Interchanges like this are where the straight line diagram exploded view comes in handy.

North Jersey Transportation Planning Authority? "Turnpike" is one word.

[storm2k]

I saw a bunch of new ones recently including on US 9 near Egg Harbor Twp. The ones I've seen are all full mile and not half, but that may just be an accident since none of the roads I saw them installed on are ones I travel for more than 1/2 mile. I do know that MM 12 on NJ 41 near where I live has not been replaced yet.

Update: just saw new mile markers 63.5 and 64 for US 40 in Atlantic City. Kind of surprised that US 322 wasn't also signed as they are always signed together on all signs I've ever seen on the entirety of the multiplex.

As a rule, NJDOT only considers the mileage of the "primary" route of a multiplex. For example, 1&9 shows 1's mileage from their merger in Woodbridge all the way through to the GWB, and 202-206 shows 202's from the Somerville Circle through Bedminster where they part ways and 206 resumes its mile markers through the rest of the state. This also happens when one route piggy backs on another for a short while, like 33 does on 130.

The only place I ever saw it done differently is on the small stretch where 35 is multiplexed with 9 in Sayreville, there used to be a mile marker going southbound with a small 35 shield above it (before this became the norm), but I believe this is now gone, and that multiplex only reflects 9's mileage.

[Alps]

I saw a bunch of new ones recently including on US 9 near Egg Harbor Twp. The ones I've seen are all full mile and not half, but that may just be an accident since none of the roads I saw them installed on are ones I travel for more than 1/2 mile. I do know that MM 12 on NJ 41 near where I live has not been replaced yet.

Update: just saw new mile markers 63.5 and 64 for US 40 in Atlantic City. Kind of surprised that US 322 wasn't also signed as they are always signed together on all signs I've ever seen on the entirety of the multiplex.

As a rule, NJDOT only considers the mileage of the "primary" route of a multiplex. For example, 1&9 shows 1's mileage from their merger in Woodbridge all the way through to the GWB, and 202-206 shows 202's from the Somerville Circle through Bedminster where they part ways and 206 resumes its mile markers through the rest of the state. This also happens when one route piggy backs on another for a short while, like 33 does on 130.

The only place I ever saw it done differently is on the small stretch where 35 is multiplexed with 9 in Sayreville, there used to be a mile marker going southbound with a small 35 shield above it (before this became the norm), but I believe this is now gone, and that multiplex only reflects 9's mileage.

35/9 and 202/23 both featured that.

[Mergingtraffic]

Are these relics still there? Outside of the NJ Tpke old signage,these are my favs.

Non-reflective button copy from the construction of I-80. Paterson, NJ. by mergingtraffic, on Flickr

Non-reflective button copy on US-46 WB. Clifton, NJ. by mergingtraffic, on Flickr

[ixnay]

RE: DMB signs, its DRBA jurisdiction to the NJ-49/US-130 overpass. The left sign for the NJTP is likely NJTPA, the rest is DRBA.

Meanwhile southbound there is a DRBA gantry and signs for Exit 1 and a NJDOT municipal border sign on NJTPA roadway (fun fact, I-295 is maintained by the NJTPA from the merge to the Exit 1 overpass).

Interchanges like this are where the straight line diagram exploded view comes in handy.

North Jersey Transportation Planning Authority? "Turnpike" is one word.

So is "baseball", so the Baseball Writers Association of America needs an abbreviation lesson, too, though in fairness, in the 19th century, the grand old game's name was indeed spelled as 2 words.

https://bbwaa.com/

ixnay

[NJRoadfan]

To add to the signing near the DMB, NJDOT installed mile markers for I-295 along Turnpike jurisdiction.

[jeffandnicole]

To add to the signing near the DMB, NJDOT installed mile markers for I-295 along Turnpike jurisdiction.

There's definitely some sort of 'shared' jurisdiction down there in that small stretch of Turnpike/295.  The Blue Food guide sign is another example of NJDOT work on NJTA jurisdiction (which doesn't use blue food signage).  I'm inclined to say the SLD may even be wrong in this area (which wouldn't be the first time it's wrong).

[NJRoadfan]

NJTP's mile marker zero is clearly at the NJ-48/US-130 overpass (which also looks like it was built for the Turnpike first). The lane striping is also classic Turnpike as well. Given this situation only exists southbound, it doesn't appear to be a big deal.

[jeffandnicole]

NJTP's mile marker zero is clearly at the NJ-48/US-130 overpass (which also looks like it was built for the Turnpike first). The lane striping is also classic Turnpike as well. Given this situation only exists southbound, it doesn't appear to be a big deal.

That 49/130 bridge, as I found out after looking at some historic aerial shots, was originally just over what's now the Northbound lanes.  What was the Turnpike SB lanes heading towards the *single* Delaware Memorial Bridge is now the Turnpike NB lanes.  What was the Turnpike NB lanes coming off the bridge is now I-295 NB's lanes.  The newer overpass, built when the Twin Bridge's second span was built, was built as a single continuous bridge permitting all 4 thru southbound lanes from both 295 & the Turnpike to travel under the bridge.  The design of this entire overpass appears to be the main factor in how 295 and the Turnpike merge and diverge just east of the Delaware Memorial Bridges.  There was probably a short period of time where 295 still didn't exist after the 2nd Delaware Memorial Bridge was built, but clearly the plans were in place for 295 by that time.

[roadman65]

Where is the zero milepost on both NJ 49 and US 130? That may tell the story as I 287 and Rt. 440 have theirs over the Turnpike center between the car lanes.

[Alps]

Where is the zero milepost on both NJ 49 and US 130? That may tell the story as I 287 and Rt. 440 have theirs over the Turnpike center between the car lanes.

What story? That factoid doesn't relate to the rest of the conversation.

[jeffandnicole]

"Move On Green Only"

http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2017/08/this_rare_nj_traffic_sign_is_a_lawbreaker_and_must_go.html#incart_river_home

[Alps]

"Move On Green Only"

http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2017/08/this_rare_nj_traffic_sign_is_a_lawbreaker_and_must_go.html#incart_river_home

Technically that sign is not illegal. Regulatory signs can have any word message within the white background on a rectangular sign.

[jeffandnicole]

We could practically send in the entire state with as many overgrown weeds cover signs along the roads here...

http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2017/08/we_want_your_pictures_of_signs_overgrown_by_trees_and_bushes.html#incart_river_home

[J Route Z]

We could practically send in the entire state with as many overgrown weeds cover signs along the roads here...

http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2017/08/we_want_your_pictures_of_signs_overgrown_by_trees_and_bushes.html#incart_river_home

I see a lot of signage covered by tree branches every day. It's inexcusable.

1: https://goo.gl/maps/H6ZmPCSeoAJ2

2: https://goo.gl/maps/dq8ErM1CVt22

3: https://goo.gl/maps/4YtqJPxCQFz


Here's something also interesting: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Highway-Signs-Missing-New-Jersey-Traffic-Wrong-Way-Crash-Assembly-Bill-511-439249653.html

"Assembly Bill 5111 'requires DOT to inspect traffic signs and establish public awareness campaign concerning traffic signs in need of maintenance.'"

[jeffandnicole]

"Assembly Bill 5111 'requires DOT to inspect traffic signs and establish public awareness campaign concerning traffic signs in need of maintenance.'"

Why do we need another bill that basically has no teeth to it, because bills written in the past limit the State's liability.

Here's the public awareness, which DOT has promoted in the past.  Why didn't the I-Team mention anything about it?

http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/potholeform.shtm

I would've loved for them to have addressed it.  The link is right on DOT's main page.  Does DOT actually review what is submitted?  (I ask because I'll submit things on occasion, with lackluster results most of the time)

[roadman65]

Don't forget the NJ 49/US 130 interchange is also signed with I-295 exit numbers.  1A is for NJ 49 and 1B is for US 130.  So your right about jurisdiction being shared.  For a long while you can tell who's signs were which as NJDOT used Trenton (still does on NJ 49 NB) for I-295 and the DRBA used Camden for I-295 coming off the bridge.  I do not think that NJTA used Trenton like the DRBA either.  Plus NJDOT had their own panels when it used to be button copy anyway.

The classic turnpike signs were darker green than NJDOT's original signs.  So you at one time could tell easily.

Also I think the US 40 East Next Exit sign on the NJT where it passes under SB CR 551 is NJDOT as they did have some signs because of Route 40 being a NJ Route hence why the loop ramp WB US 40 follows onto the turnpike (that once had the erroneous NJ 40 shield) was for sure state and not authority as well as its predecessor that had a florescant light on it with NJDOT all caps font for the DEL. MEM. BR. for several years earlier.

[J Route Z]

"Assembly Bill 5111 'requires DOT to inspect traffic signs and establish public awareness campaign concerning traffic signs in need of maintenance.'"

Why do we need another bill that basically has no teeth to it, because bills written in the past limit the State's liability.

Here's the public awareness, which DOT has promoted in the past.  Why didn't the I-Team mention anything about it?

http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/potholeform.shtm

I would've loved for them to have addressed it.  The link is right on DOT's main page.  Does DOT actually review what is submitted?  (I ask because I'll submit things on occasion, with lackluster results most of the time)

I don't think they do because whenever I submit an issue no action has been done. They should update their site and make it similar to DelDOTs site or PennDOTs

[roadman65]

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6799304,-75.4929158,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNURuNVSFUaNOz8YXcZJW2Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

GSV shows the difference in the concrete in the middle and the bridge over the Northbound lanes looks older.  So it was an extension as Jeff pointed out.

It would not be the first time a bridge was lengthened rather then replaced.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6802472,-75.4936078,3a,37.5y,113.78h,100.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syxXrBssBLHTW1GhxKrbIQQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Also from underneath look at the double set of piers in the median.  I will say that the spacing in the middle was where the typical angle wall that is present on the right side of the roadway here was once located.  That both sides of the original bridge before the Delaware Memorial Bridge twinning looked the same.  When the new Delaware Bound span was added and the overpass needed widening, they took out the angle wall on the north abutment and just added another pier where the bridge girders ended ( using temporary jacking piers while excavating it all) which also supported the new span over the Delaware Bound lanes.

[Mr. Matté]

NJDOT called out by WNNNNNNNNNNNNBC about its sometimes lack of traffic control signage:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Wrong-Way-Road-Crash-Drive-Accident-Danger-New-Jersey-Sign-Missing-Investigation-Police-423827894.html

And as usual, it led to a new bill (note: the bill was missing a possessive name as is SOP in the state legislature)
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Highway-Signs-Missing-New-Jersey-Traffic-Wrong-Way-Crash-Assembly-Bill-511-439249653.html

[jeffandnicole]

NJDOT called out by WNNNNNNNNNNNNBC about its sometimes lack of traffic control signage:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Wrong-Way-Road-Crash-Drive-Accident-Danger-New-Jersey-Sign-Missing-Investigation-Police-423827894.html

And as usual, it led to a new bill (note: the bill was missing a possessive name as is SOP in the state legislature)
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Highway-Signs-Missing-New-Jersey-Traffic-Wrong-Way-Crash-Assembly-Bill-511-439249653.html

If someone sees a sign is missing, they can use this form on the NJDOT website to let them know: http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/commuter/potholeform.shtm

Whether NJDOT actually does anything about the information received is another issue.  However, this form could've easily been included in NBC's story, which they left out either purposely or thru ignorance.  The link is available on NJDOT's homepage.

[storm2k]

NJDOT called out by WNNNNNNNNNNNNBC about its sometimes lack of traffic control signage:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Wrong-Way-Road-Crash-Drive-Accident-Danger-New-Jersey-Sign-Missing-Investigation-Police-423827894.html

And as usual, it led to a new bill (note: the bill was missing a possessive name as is SOP in the state legislature)
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Highway-Signs-Missing-New-Jersey-Traffic-Wrong-Way-Crash-Assembly-Bill-511-439249653.html

NJDOT has never been great, by any stretch, of putting up the extra one way signs on most of its divided roads. You usually get that one stop sign with the one way mounted over it, or if the one way sign is on the median, the stop sigh won't have one with it. Is this really a big cause of wrong way driving, though? I feel like NJDOT is pretty good about making sure that interstate on and off ramps are properly signed with Do-Not-Enter or Keep Right and Wrong Way signs. At the end of the day, I'm pretty sure that this feels like making a mountain out of a molehill to make a sensational investigative reporting type of story.

[roadman65]

NJDOT is pretty good about signing off freeways.  Don't get me wrong interstates in NJ are signed pretty well, but lack mileage signs to upcoming cities (the one's they have for local townships that only NJ residents no do not count) and many interchanges lacked control cities from ramps.  I know in many places they have added the necessary control cities.  However, the local highways have the proper traffic control devices and have a control city sign on even side roads at signalized intersections.  They did lack signing pretty well at state route junctions like in Washington where NJ 31 and NJ 57 meet.  Only junction signs are the only indicator (and now the overhead street blades) but never no directional shielding. 

I do not know why WNBC would say that unless they once referred to those missing trailblazers at route junctions.  Other than that NJ is pretty well.