Another WisDOT 'Big Shovel' upgrade project is under way! Clocking in at nearly a half-billion dollars, WisDOT is upgrading US 10/WI 441 from just west of the US(I)-41 'Bridgeview' interchange (US 10 interchange 287/US(I)-41 interchange 134) to Oneida St (Interchange 291) in Appleton to six lanes. (See: http://goo.gl/maps/GZ0rw ) This includes broadening the 'S' curves as it passes through Menasha, completing the Bridgeview interchange (it currently has two 'missing moves'), building a parallel bridge for US 10/WI 441 crossing of Little Lake Butte des Morts and re-engineering its street interchanges. It includes a DDI at Oneida St (US 10 east).
:thumbsup:
From Fox11 News:
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Groundbreaking was yesterday for work on 441 "tri county" freeway. It includes fixing the 41/441/10 interchange, and a new bridge over Little Lake Butte des Morts:
http://fox11online.com/2014/06/25/highway-441-project-underway-in-fox-valley/
We also explained a Diverging Diamond interchange
http://fox11online.com/2014/06/25/hwy-441-expansion-plan-includes-diverging-diamond/"
Also see:
http://us41wisconsin.gov/wis441/overview/
Enjoy!
:cheers:
Mike
After construction is finished, will 441 be up to Interstate standards?
It would appear to be the plan. They're going to an awful lot of trouble (and money) to rebuild 441. It'd be silly not to build it to full Interstate standards, particularly given the pending Interstate designation on 41.
I'm pretty much expecting this part (the Winnebago County part) to be full interstate standards when these upgrades are complete. The Calumet County part appears to me to have been at full I-standards when it opened in 1993. I am thinking that the Outagamie County part near its Fox River bridge might have substandard-width left shoulders, though, but I would ask WisDOT about that.
Mike
And furthermore, I think that I-441 makes the most sense, should the upgrade to full Interstate standards occur. It's one of the few places where no other number will do.
Must be doing work already, as we got a lane closures announcement for next week:
WIS 441 Tri-County Project lane closures for June 30 — July 4
Traffic restrictions on WIS 441 and US 10
(Green Bay) The Wisconsin Department of Transportation (WisDOT) Northeast Region office in Green Bay is announcing WIS 441 Project lane restrictions for June 30 — July 4 in Winnebago, Outagamie and Calumet counties. Drivers should be aware of reduced speed limits and remember to use caution while traveling through any work zone. This does not include closures by local authorities for accidents or unusual incidents (such as weather).
Details of all closures are:
- Westbound US 10 to southbound US 41 loop ramp will be closed NIGHTLY on Monday and Tuesday from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m.
- Suggested alternate route: Traffic seeking southbound US 41 should exit at County CB, take County CB north to Prospect Avenue, follow Prospect Avenue east to US 41
- Northbound US 41 between Winchester Road and Prospect Avenue will have single lane closures on Tuesday and Wednesday from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m.
Quote from: Fox 11 News on June 27, 2014, 03:18:23 PM
Must be doing work already, as we got a lane closures announcement for next week:
WIS 441 Tri-County Project lane closures for June 30 – July 4
Traffic restrictions on WIS 441 and US 10
(Green Bay) The Wisconsin Department of Transportation (WisDOT) Northeast Region office in Green Bay is announcing WIS 441 Project lane restrictions for June 30 – July 4 in Winnebago, Outagamie and Calumet counties. Drivers should be aware of reduced speed limits and remember to use caution while traveling through any work zone. This does not include closures by local authorities for accidents or unusual incidents (such as weather).
Details of all closures are:
• Westbound US 10 to southbound US 41 loop ramp will be closed NIGHTLY on Monday and Tuesday from 9 p.m. to 5 a.m.
• Suggested alternate route: Traffic seeking southbound US 41 should exit at County CB, take County CB north to Prospect Avenue, follow Prospect Avenue east to US 41
• Northbound US 41 between Winchester Road and Prospect Avenue will have single lane closures on Tuesday and Wednesday from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m.
IMHO, the westbound to southbound detour for the overnight hours like that could simply be "Exit at County 'CB', turn left and re-enter US 10 eastbound (turn around at the interchange), taking the turn to southbound US(I)-41 at the next ramp."
:nod:
Crews have been doing underground utility work by that interchange, mostly by the railroad in the NE quadrant, for several weeks now.
Mike
Quote from: Henry on June 27, 2014, 02:41:46 PM
And furthermore, I think that I-441 makes the most sense, should the upgrade to full Interstate standards occur. It's one of the few places where no other number will do.
Interesting in that while the original freeway was being planned and built, it was normally referred to as "The Tri-County Expressway (or Freeway)" and ever since it opened in two stages in 1991 and 1993, the locals have only referred to it as "Four Forty One" or "Highway Four Forty One", even after US 10 was moved to part of it in about 1993. West of US(I)-41, it is "Highway Ten" or "U.S. Ten".
Few locals even remember it being called the "Tri-County' during its planning and construction.
Mike
My question is, they may seek Interstate status for 441, but what about US 10 going West of Appleton, towards I-39? Not sure if it's Interstate Standards, but wouldn't that theoretically have to be a 3di with an odd number, or could they allow 441 to extend to 39 like that?
Why not:
I-x39 Stevens Point (I-39) - Oshkosh (I-41) along US10 and US45
I-441 Winchester (US45) - Appleton (I-41) along US10 and WI441
Or, if US10 won't be fully upgraded (unlikely)
I-541 Oshkosh (I-41) - Freemont (WI49/WI110) along US10 and US45
I-441 Winchester (US45) - Appleton (I-41) along US10 and WI441
Quote from: english si on July 02, 2014, 09:43:50 AM
Why not:
I-x39 Stevens Point (I-39) - Oshkosh (I-41) along US10 and US45
I-441 Winchester (US45) - Appleton (I-41) along US10 and WI441
Or, if US10 won't be fully upgraded (unlikely)
I-541 Oshkosh (I-41) - Freemont (WI49/WI110) along US10 and US45
I-441 Winchester (US45) - Appleton (I-41) along US10 and WI441
Much of it, including the freeway parts, is not up to I-standards. Example - the Waupaca bypass. Although it was completely rebuilt about 10 years ago it has substandard left shoulders and a relatively narrow median with no center barrier, except on a very short section. See: http://goo.gl/maps/OiSrQ
Besides making the rest of the highway a full freeway, these other issues would have to be addressed before it could get the snazzy signs.
As for US 45, the US(I)-41 end of that freeway is not a complete freeway-to-freeway interchange - the SB to NB moves involve intersection turns.
BTW, I have mused about US 10 to Stevens Point eventually becoming something like 'I-441' (or 'I-4xx' for whatever other 2DI number was being discussed for US 41's 'promotion') many times.
Mike
:O YOU KNOW, UNTIL I GOOGLE MAPPED IT I HAD NO IDEA IT WASN'T A COMPLETE SYSTEM INTERCHANGE!!!!
But sure enough...
Was just thinking about that because i'll actually be going to Park Falls this weekend and I'll be going the "usual Up North Route" (I41-US45-US10) but instead of going up I39/US51 i'm going to check out the new US10 to Marshfield and catch Wis 13. I suppose though, THAT particular branch of 10, from Point to Marshfield, could in essence be a branch off 39 lile I-339 if that were up to standards, it just would seem logical if say 10 were I-standard from Appleton to Point, just extend 441 along 10 to Point. My apologies, i've had a ton of coffee this morning...
...if nothing else start it off by extending Presumed I-441 from I-41 along US 10 to where it interchanges with US 45...
Quote from: merrycilantro on July 02, 2014, 10:44:50 AM
Was just thinking about that because i'll actually be going to Park Falls this weekend...
That's my home turf up there in Price County. ;)
US 10 to Marshfield hardly has any traffic, so it's a really quick ride. The Veterans Parkway "thru-pass" is an interesting anomaly in the state for how recently it was built. It functions well.
WI 13 has a LOT of small towns to go through up to Medford. Take advantage of passing lanes whenever you can. They are usually in the towns.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 02, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: merrycilantro on July 02, 2014, 10:44:50 AM
Was just thinking about that because i'll actually be going to Park Falls this weekend...
That's my home turf up there in Price County. ;)
Take advantage of passing lanes whenever you can. They are usually in the towns.
Will do! Thanks for the tip! :)
At last a real, concrete (well, actually asphalt) sign that this project is underway!
:clap:
:cheers:
TONIGHT (Wednesday, 2014-07-23), there is an overnight closure of the NB to EB and WB to NB ramps at the US(I)-41/US 10/WI 441 'Bridgeview' interchange so that crews can pave and cut in significant temporary realignments to each.
Also, over the past couple of weeks, crews dug out and resculpted much of the fill that held the former ramp that once served EB to NB traffic (it was an intersection turn that originally fed into the WB to NB ramp, now a 'missing move') to align with the ghost ramp fill on the other side of the US(I)-41 mainline, this to hold the future NB to WB 'missing move' ramp. Part of the fill was also resculpted to hold the grade for the temporary EB to NB ramp that is being paved and cut in overnight tonight.
Crews are also now striping and placing barriers for a lane shift on the NB US(I)-41 mainline at that interchange.
Those coming to my meet in a few weeks from the south will drive by it all on their way in.
Mike
I think once US(I)-41 officially becomes I-41 - you'll see WI-441 become I-XXX at some point. Mike is right - there is a ton of work that needs to be done for that to take place. There are also several cross-traffic intersections between Fremont and Stevens Point that would need to be closed off as well. You could add a new interchange or two in that route - (WI-161 comes to mind).
I also think it's possible to see WI-172 in Green Bay become I-xxx with I-41 and I-43 on each side once 41 gets done there.
^^ WI 441 does not go west of US 41 at the Bridgeview Interchange. I don't see an interstate designation for US 10 west of there either. But once the improvements are made to WI 441, it could become a I-x41 if WisDOT ever had the inclination to make that change.
Quote from: Big John on July 24, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
^^ WI 441 does not go west of US 41 at the Bridgeview Interchange. I don't see an interstate designation for US 10 west of there either. But once the improvements are made to WI 441, it could become a I-x41 if WisDOT ever had the inclination to make that change.
I think that's the rub. WIDOT hasn't seemed all that interested in making such designations in the past. US-12 near Elkhorn...US-45 up to West Bend...WI-30 in Madison...WI-172 in Green Bay (I think)... All could be 3dis - none of them are.
Quote from: gbgoose on July 24, 2014, 08:18:40 AM
I think once US(I)-41 officially becomes I-41 - you'll see WI-441 become I-XXX at some point. Mike is right - there is a ton of work that needs to be done for that to take place. There are also several cross-traffic intersections between Fremont and Stevens Point that would need to be closed off as well. You could add a new interchange or two in that route - (WI-161 comes to mind).
The current plan is for the US 10 Stevens Point east bypass to diverge (westbound) from current US 10 right by Lake Emily park at Amherst Junction, run a short distance northeast of the current highway and then turn hard southwest, crossing the railroad just west of that park. This is east of WI 161. The new US 10 would them head westward mostly along half-section lines, with a shift here and there, connecting to I-39 with a major free-flowing directional 'T' interchange just south of County 'HH' (the future 'Plover' interchange). One can make out some of the ROW outlines of this planned interchange on the current Google aerial image of the area.
WisDOT tried to use as much of the existing highway west of Amherst Junction as possible, but after every PIM and public hearing, it became more and more 'Rube Goldbergish', to the point where any thoughts of using it were simply dropped.
As for the existing highway, I would completely abandon it between Lake Emily park and WI 161 (it didn't exist before the mid-1960s - prior to then US 10 followed what is now WI 161, County 'SS' and County 'Q' through Nelsonville to Amherst Junction), perhaps leaving a recreational path behind on the former eastbound side, with the existing highway west of WI 161 being downgraded to two lanes on the present westbound side east of County 'J' and redesignated as WI 161. The eastbound side east of Custer could be an extension of the above mentioned path. I would also renumber all of WI 66 west of I-39 as 'WI 161'.
It is all waiting on funding.
Mike
Not likely Mike - They've already went too far.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 02, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: merrycilantro on July 02, 2014, 10:44:50 AM
Was just thinking about that because i'll actually be going to Park Falls this weekend...
That's my home turf up there in Price County. ;)
US 10 to Marshfield hardly has any traffic, so it's a really quick ride. The Veterans Parkway "thru-pass" is an interesting anomaly in the state for how recently it was built. It functions well.
WI 13 has a LOT of small towns to go through up to Medford. Take advantage of passing lanes whenever you can. They are usually in the towns.
What is the Veteran's "thru-pass" like? I've never driven it before....
Quote from: mgk920 on July 24, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
WisDOT tried to use as much of the existing highway west of Amherst Junction as possible, but after every PIM and public hearing, it became more and more 'Rube Goldbergish', to the point where any thoughts of using it were simply dropped.
They missed their chance to preserve some r/w immediately south of the CN mainline through the "Portage County Business Park" you see from I-39. Would've been really simple to swing south a mile or so west of CTH JJ, hop over the railroad and then build a system interchange by the aforementioned business park.
I sketched it out a couple years ago in the redesigning interchanges thread.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3618.msg85409#msg85409 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3618.msg85409#msg85409)
Now there are new buildings in that area I would've sent US 10 through.
Quote from: mahaasmaWhat is the Veteran's "thru-pass" like? I've never driven it before....
Four lane divided arterial with access mostly restricted to signalized intersections. There's a grade separation in there and it tucks underneath the CN railroad in a fairly cool way, in my opinion. It moves traffic very well. Speed limit is 35 for only a short distance either side of the Central Avenue/WI 97 junction; other than that, it's all 45. It's nicely landscaped and a well-utilized multi-use path follows most of it.
I believe there were long-range plans for a WI 13 bypass of Marshfield at some point (it appeared on official trunkline maps) but Veterans Parkway makes that unnecessary looking forward. It was a better solution for moving local traffic.
In my opinion, it's the type of thing that WisDOT should've tried to do in Burlington instead of that costly, mostly empty bypass way outside of town.
Quote from: mahaasma on July 24, 2014, 11:21:00 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 02, 2014, 03:02:02 PM
Quote from: merrycilantro on July 02, 2014, 10:44:50 AM
Was just thinking about that because i'll actually be going to Park Falls this weekend...
That's my home turf up there in Price County. ;)
US 10 to Marshfield hardly has any traffic, so it's a really quick ride. The Veterans Parkway "thru-pass" is an interesting anomaly in the state for how recently it was built. It functions well.
WI 13 has a LOT of small towns to go through up to Medford. Take advantage of passing lanes whenever you can. They are usually in the towns.
What is the Veteran's "thru-pass" like? I've never driven it before....
It is the new routing of WI-13 through the City of Marshfield. If you look at this map, WI-13 used to enter from the south where US-10 turns 90 degrees to the east. This new routing only hits a couple of lights.
They preferred this alternative to a bypass.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Marshfield,+WI/@44.6494289,-90.1754953,13z/data=!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x87ffc2e6f27d7ff3:0xd48b27c649ba83cc!2sMarshfield,+WI!3b1!3m1!1s0x87ffc2e6f27d7ff3:0xd48b27c649ba83cc
The Appleton Post-Crescent just posted an interesting article on this upgrade project:
http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/local/2014/07/30/us-state-interchange-undergoes-rapid-changes/13388223/
It includes a video clip that shows the latest layout of the new US 10/US(I)-41/WI 441 'Bridgeview' interchange at about 0:25. I note that it now shows the new WB to SB flyover ramp diverging from WB US 10 on the left (all previous layouts showed it diverging on the right).
Enjoy!
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on July 31, 2014, 09:28:35 AM
I note that it now shows the new WB to SB flyover ramp diverging from WB US 10 on the left (all previous layouts showed it diverging on the right).
I completely forgot that they switched it. The copy I have on my laptop is one I saved in January and it shows the left-hand exit WB. (The date in the document itself is June of 2013.)
WisDOT must have gotten some new numbers in about how much traffic is turning south vs. how much traffic is continuing west during the course of the design phase.
^^
I also note that this (diverging on the left) will require less overall bridging than to diverge on the right = less cost.
Mike
Over the past couple of weeks or so, piers have begun to appear above grade for a new ramp bridge within the US(I)-41 Bridgeview interchange!
:cheers:
They are for the bridge that will carry the NB to EB ramp over the EB to NB ramp, the CN trackage and paralleling Butte des Morts Beach Rd.
Also, fill is beginning to rise for the approaches to the new paralleling lake bridge, as well as for the EB to NB ramp. Also over the past week, crews have been digging out the unused 'ghost' fill that once carried the ramp from NB Lake St into the original interchange. This ramp was abandoned in the late 1980s or early 1990s.
:thumbsup:
Mike
Just a quick update, as of yesterday (Thursday, 2014-11-06) there are now eight cranes working on the site. Some US(I)-41 interchange ramp grading, especially on part of the new EB to NB ramp, is already complete ('graveled') with work continuing on the structure for the NB to EB ramp, along with foundation work on the new eastbound lake bridge. There are also major lane shifts in most of the directions of existing roadways through the construction zone, as well as across the existing bridge, where the median barrier has been removed and all of the lanes scrunched as far northward as they could go to allow platform space for crews to work on the new parallel bridge.
This project is fast becoming 'interesting'. :cool:
Mike
Definitely need to check that out the next time I drop my daughter off at UWO. It's about time they completed all the movements!
An update, on Thursday, 2015-06-25, crews set the first beams for the new eastbound Little Butte des Morts bridge.
Also, SB to EB traffic is now using most of the new permanent ramp for that cloverleaf loop turn.
:cheers:
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on June 27, 2015, 12:08:36 AM
An update, on Thursday, 2015-06-25, crews set the first beams for the new eastbound Little Butte des Morts bridge.
Also, SB to EB traffic is now using most of the new permanent ramp for that cloverleaf loop turn.
:cheers:
Mike
Neat to see it all come together! Has Appleton Road opened up yet?
Quote from: Roadguy on June 27, 2015, 11:23:26 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 27, 2015, 12:08:36 AM
An update, on Thursday, 2015-06-25, crews set the first beams for the new eastbound Little Butte des Morts bridge.
Also, SB to EB traffic is now using most of the new permanent ramp for that cloverleaf loop turn.
:cheers:
Mike
Neat to see it all come together! Has Appleton Road opened up yet?
WI 47 reopened yesterday (Friday, 2015-06-26).
Mike
Some drone video of the newly reopened interchange. Not as smooth as some of the other clips of the project, but interesting anyways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkDW0u1DcBU
Note the control for US 10/WI 441 west - Stevens Point.
Mike
That's the first time I've seen Stevens Point used as a control city. Also interesting how US 10 east was omitted from the other guide sign. The exits from Oneida St west are numbered for US 10 while there are also mile markers for WIS 441 which is pretty interesting, wonder why exit numbers were never used for WIS 441 while they made an effort to put exit numbers on the Tri County Freeway for US 10.
Quote from: mgk920 on June 29, 2015, 01:46:28 AM
Some drone video of the newly reopened interchange. Not as smooth as some of the other clips of the project, but interesting anyways.
Was your drone overloaded or something? It's having a really hard time gaining and maintaining altitude.
Either that, or you like making drivers go "WTF?!?" ;)
I thought he was gonna take out the McDonald's sign.
Quote from: mrose on June 29, 2015, 09:44:27 PM
I thought he was gonna take out the McDonald's sign.
I was hoping :awesomeface:
Quote from: peterj920 on June 29, 2015, 02:15:26 AM
That's the first time I've seen Stevens Point used as a control city. Also interesting how US 10 east was omitted from the other guide sign. The exits from Oneida St west are numbered for US 10 while there are also mile markers for WIS 441 which is pretty interesting, wonder why exit numbers were never used for WIS 441 while they made an effort to put exit numbers on the Tri County Freeway for US 10.
Stevens Point is also used as a control at the two US 10/45 interchanges.
Mike
Quote from: mrose on June 29, 2015, 09:44:27 PM
I thought he was gonna take out the McDonald's sign.
More like the McDonald's sign taking out the drone.
Quote from: mgk920 on June 29, 2015, 10:52:50 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on June 29, 2015, 02:15:26 AM
That's the first time I've seen Stevens Point used as a control city. Also interesting how US 10 east was omitted from the other guide sign. The exits from Oneida St west are numbered for US 10 while there are also mile markers for WIS 441 which is pretty interesting, wonder why exit numbers were never used for WIS 441 while they made an effort to put exit numbers on the Tri County Freeway for US 10.
Stevens Point is also used as a control at the two US 10/45 interchanges.
Mike
I've seen Stevens Point used west of I-41, but with past signs on 441 I saw either Oshkosh or Milwaukee. Looks like instead of referencing connections of I-41.
Wow, that's a very nice-looking interchange at Appleton Road!
Crews have installed the first *new* permanent overhead BGSes in the project.
:cheers:
They are one for the ramp split on the NB I-41 to the future US 10/WI 441 ramps (the NB to EB ramp looks like it will be completed within 1-2 months for a traffic shift), it was installed on Monday. The left half of the sign, for the incomplete future NB to WB ramp, is greened-out. Also, a couple of greened-out 'lane ends' overhead signs over the future right lane on NB I-41 north of the interchange were installed a few days ago.
Mike
US 10 should not be upgraded to an interstate anytime in the near future. The main focus should be on the stevens point section of the highway. The interchange between I-39 and US 10 is incredibly busy (traffic was backed up about 2 miles on the friday before memorial day). I suggest a bypass to the south, abandoning the expressway north of Amherst Junction and creating a freeway that meets up with I-39 inbetween County B and County HH at a free-flowing T-interchange. I drive this corridor a few times a month, and most of the time it makes you feel like :banghead:
Quote from: kutzy7 on August 13, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
US 10 should not be upgraded to an interstate anytime in the near future. The main focus should be on the stevens point section of the highway. The interchange between I-39 and US 10 is incredibly busy (traffic was backed up about 2 miles on the friday before memorial day). I suggest a bypass to the south, abandoning the expressway north of Amherst Junction and creating a freeway that meets up with I-39 inbetween County B and County HH at a free-flowing T-interchange. I drive this corridor a few times a month, and most of the time it makes you feel like :banghead:
There was originally supposed to be a south bypass of Stevens Point of US 10, but the DOT decided to delay it by approximately 20-30 years. There was a preferred corridor selected to follow pretty much a straight line from the current County K south intersection to I-39. I cannot find the links to the corridor selection and the news stories because they are over 10 years old. People in Stevens Point were pretty upset by delaying the project because of how congested US 10 is in Stevens Point. The reason why Marshfield got the uninterrupted route to I-39 is because the city and politicians stated that Marshfield was the biggest city in Wisconsin without a 4-lane connection, despite the fact that there is more traffic on US 10 east of Stevens Point than to the west.
^^
Talk to your legislators about it.
Mike
Quote from: kutzy7 on August 13, 2015, 07:51:55 PM
US 10 should not be upgraded to an interstate anytime in the near future. The main focus should be on the stevens point section of the highway. The interchange between I-39 and US 10 is incredibly busy (traffic was backed up about 2 miles on the friday before memorial day). I suggest a bypass to the south, abandoning the expressway north of Amherst Junction and creating a freeway that meets up with I-39 inbetween County B and County HH at a free-flowing T-interchange. I drive this corridor a few times a month, and most of the time it makes you feel like :banghead:
The preferred alternative for this currently shelved project is pretty close to what you describe, leaving the existing facility just west of Amherst Junction.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi113.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fn208%2Ftriplemultiplex%2FUS%252010%2Fpref%2520alt_zpsgcyrpm7x.jpg&hash=ce9ce37039610de93776c67e7e02a87821e1f0f5)
Some r/w for the proposed system interchange is now been made visible by development in the area.
Now that that space is now occupied by retail it won't happen.
The ROW by the I-39 interchange is clear and protected. Also, the connection at the east end is different that what you show, there'll be a diamond interchange with a local road by Lake Emily County Park and the existing highway between there and WI 161 will be seriously downgraded (I would fully abandon it and turn the eastbound concrete into a public trail).
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on August 15, 2015, 10:37:41 AM
(I would fully abandon it and turn the eastbound concrete into a public trail).
That would make for a nice loop between the Point area and Amherst Jct with the existing rail-trail.
Quote from: mgk920 on August 15, 2015, 10:37:41 AM
The ROW by the I-39 interchange is clear and protected. Also, the connection at the east end is different that what you show, there'll be a diamond interchange with a local road by Lake Emily County Park and the existing highway between there and WI 161 will be seriously downgraded (I would fully abandon it and turn the eastbound concrete into a public trail).
Mike
If that bypass is built I highly doubt that the existing US 10 would be downgraded. The interchange to connect the new and existing US 10 is designed to be a trumpet, which is more expensive than a diamond interchange. County SS up in Rice Lake is still 4 lanes and was recently resurfaced and was not downgraded after US 53 was moved onto a new alignment. I can't think of any road in Wisconsin that was built to be 4 lanes that was downgraded later. There have been roads that were 6 lanes then downgraded to 4 (Hastings Way, Eau Claire, Military Ave, Green Bay, Wis 181, Brown Deer). In the future if the County J bridge reaches the end of its service life it may be replaced with an intersection, but that bridge is fairly new and it's years away from the end of its service life.
Quote from: peterj920 on August 16, 2015, 07:59:23 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on August 15, 2015, 10:37:41 AM
The ROW by the I-39 interchange is clear and protected. Also, the connection at the east end is different that what you show, there'll be a diamond interchange with a local road by Lake Emily County Park and the existing highway between there and WI 161 will be seriously downgraded (I would fully abandon it and turn the eastbound concrete into a public trail).
Mike
If that bypass is built I highly doubt that the existing US 10 would be downgraded. The interchange to connect the new and existing US 10 is designed to be a trumpet, which is more expensive than a diamond interchange. County SS up in Rice Lake is still 4 lanes and was recently resurfaced and was not downgraded after US 53 was moved onto a new alignment. I can't think of any road in Wisconsin that was built to be 4 lanes that was downgraded later. There have been roads that were 6 lanes then downgraded to 4 (Hastings Way, Eau Claire, Military Ave, Green Bay, Wis 181, Brown Deer). In the future if the County J bridge reaches the end of its service life it may be replaced with an intersection, but that bridge is fairly new and it's years away from the end of its service life.
The was the plan put forth before a series of hearings and so forth. After that period of public input (I added some input that delayed their final routing decision by about two weeks - they told me so much) and further study (especially 'origin-destination' surveys), WisDOT found that existing US 10 there would only essentially be used by Amherst area locals getting between there and the Fleet-Farm store in Stevens Point - that's where most of the locals go when they get on US 10 west, this while most of the overhead traffic coming in from the east wants to get to I-39.
After that period, the decision was made to drop that 'trumpet' and replace it with a new diamond interchange with a local crossroad right about where the current half-diamond interchange is and downgrade current US 10 from there to WI 161. Remember that that part of US 10 was first built as a two-lane highway on a new-ROW during the mid-1960s. 'Old' US 10 there is now WI 161, an old concrete-paved local township road and a county highway back to the current railroad underpass in Amherst Junction via Nelsonville.
Mike
Will US 10 ever be built on a new alignment to connect with Interstate 39 east of Stevens Point?
Probably.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 18, 2015, 02:43:09 PM
Will US 10 ever be built on a new alignment to connect with Interstate 39 east of Stevens Point?
Knowing WisDOT, yes, eventually. However, there are more important things WisDOT needs to spend their money on before doing this.
I am surprised they didn't finish it before constructing the spur to Marshfield (which was not needed at all).
Quote from: I-39 on August 20, 2015, 07:42:52 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 18, 2015, 02:43:09 PM
Will US 10 ever be built on a new alignment to connect with Interstate 39 east of Stevens Point?
Knowing WisDOT, yes, eventually. However, there are more important things WisDOT needs to spend their money on before doing this.
I am surprised they didn't finish it before constructing the spur to Marshfield (which was not needed at all).
I posted this before, but politicians and leaders from the Marshfield area pushed for US 10 to be built because Marshfield claimed it was the biggest city in Wisconsin without a 4 lane highway. After Wis 54 was upgraded to Wisconsin Rapids, the pressure to upgrade US 10 intensified. Most road projects come down to politics, and the Transportstion Projects Commission decides which major projects get constructed in Wisconsin. It consists of 5 senators, 5 assemblyman, 3 citizens, and the governor. The Transportation secretary is a member but doesn't get to vote. The Viroqua-Westby Project of US 61 is a prime example of politics getting a road built, that project wasn't needed. (Has been scaled back since approved)
Quote from: peterj920 on August 20, 2015, 10:06:14 PM
The Viroqua-Westby Project of US 61 is a prime example of politics getting a road built, that project wasn't needed. (Has been scaled back since approved)
The bypasses have been effectively cancelled.
Why were they canceled? Not enough traffic? Too much local opposition? Please fill me in.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on August 21, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on August 20, 2015, 10:06:14 PM
The Viroqua-Westby Project of US 61 is a prime example of politics getting a road built, that project wasn't needed. (Has been scaled back since approved)
The bypasses have been effectively cancelled.
The 4 lane upgrade between the 2 cities was built. I'm just wondering why that project was approved. There aren't any connections with other freeway/expressways and it a short expressway isolated in rural southwest Wisconsin.
If US 10 is built on a new alignment between Stevens Point and Amherst Jct, Wis 54 could be reroute dealing with it and the stretch between Plover and Waupaca could be transferred to local control. In the interim, WISDOT should consider detouring Wis 54 along CTH B between Amherst and Plover because motorists would be able to utilize the U.S. 10 expressway more, and CTH B is the 4 lane link to the Wis 54 expressway to Wis Rapids.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 21, 2015, 04:59:51 PM
Why were they canceled? Not enough traffic? Too much local opposition? Please fill me in.
New traffic projections made them cost in-effective to construct.
The four-lane was built mostly for local traffic, which apparently was sufficient to warrant the upgrade. But it's predominantly local traffic, not regional traffic seeking to get through Viroqua and Westby. Thus, the uselessness of the proposed bypasses.
Thanks for answering my question, triplemultiplex. Let's get back to discussing the original intention of the thread: the US 10/WI 441 upgrade. Comments on other highways should be placed under different threads.
First deck pour occurred yesterday on the new US 10/WIS 441 Eastbound bridge across Little Lake Butte Des Mortes. Link to the story from Fox 11 below.
http://fox11online.com/news/local/fox-cities/progress-made-in-441-bridge-project
Drove on Wis 441/US 10 yesterday and noticed that transmission lines were moved and the mini storage buildings were being dismantled in the County AP interchange area. The deck for the new Little Lake Butte Des Mortes bridge is poured. Permanent BGS signs are also up along I-41 south at the Bridgeview Interchange. Interesting how Wis 441/US 10 east still doesn't have a control city. US 10 west has Stevens Point.
Quote from: peterj920 on November 26, 2015, 08:09:48 AM
Drove on Wis 441/US 10 yesterday and noticed that transmission lines were moved and the mini storage buildings were being dismantled in the County AP interchange area. The deck for the new Little Lake Butte Des Mortes bridge is poured. Permanent BGS signs are also up along I-41 south at the Bridgeview Interchange. Interesting how Wis 441/US 10 east still doesn't have a control city. US 10 west has Stevens Point.
441 East has had no control city for years. Since 441 surrounds Appleton, I'm not sure what you'd put for a control city. Menasha since there's a reference for Exit 134. Possibly add Manitowoc with 10?
Photos from the I-41/US 10/Wis 441 Interchange
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/658/23521898185_d7c8461aaa_k_d.jpg)
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/704/23153916909_bfdc7d62cd_k_d.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5662/23027335010_0cf0a68762_k_d.jpg)
Nice to see those Interstate 41 shields on the sign.
Quote from: peterj920 on December 04, 2015, 02:38:06 PM
Photos from the I-41/US 10/Wis 441 Interchange
Thanks for posting! I didn't get a photo of it, but I noticed today that there is a new BGS over US10 East, just past the exit for County Rd. CB. It has markings for the beginning of WIS 441 and the interchange with I-41 South and the future interchange with I-41 North (currently covered).
It is really exciting to see this project come together. WIS 441 has come a long way from these days...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.midwestroads.com%2Fwisconsincruise%2Fdwg%2Fint_us41-wi441_aerial.gif&hash=4eec09f791629dc53c43c213cee3259000732231)
When is that picture from?
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 05, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
When is that picture from?
That photo would've been taken sometime before 1997. Some of the original ramps were at grade intersections with WIS 441 and they were removed in 1997, causing the missing movements we have today.
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 05, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
When is that picture from?
1992
The ol' digital ortho quads.
The intersections were there because the bridge was actually County Q when it first opened. Wis 441 was originally supposed to be an expressway built by the 3 counties it crossed. WISDOT took over and made it a freeway. Good thing that was done because traffic would be a nightmare if it would have been built with at grade intersections. The interchange with County KK is bad right now, imagine what it would be as an intersection which it was originally supposed to be.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 05, 2015, 10:14:57 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on December 05, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
When is that picture from?
1992
The ol' digital ortho quads.
1991 sounds more correct for when that image was flown, while the quad itself was prepared and printed in 1992. Note that the four lane to six lane upgrades for US 41 in the Neenah to Appleton area (built 1991-1992) are in their earlier stages.
Mike
Ah, good catch, Mike.
I remember scouring those DOQ's on Microsoft Terraserver back in the day. Began my lifelong love affair with aerial photography interpretation.
I remember how stoked I was when they started adding color images c. 2002.
More drone video of the project (Racine St interchange in Menasha, WI).
Enjoy!
:cheers:
Mike
Are there any new updates on the bridge construction? Does anyone have a link to the project timeline?
Quote from: msunat97 on June 15, 2016, 09:43:08 AM
Are there any new updates on the bridge construction? Does anyone have a link to the project timeline?
Here is the project (http://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/) timeline:
http://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/wp-content/uploads/sites/107/2016-0523_OPT2_59243_WIS_441_24x36_Project_Improvements_Timeline_v1.pdf
I followed @WIS441I41News (https://twitter.com/WIS441I41News) with AARoads to keep up on the project.
Quote from: Alex on June 15, 2016, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: msunat97 on June 15, 2016, 09:43:08 AM
Are there any new updates on the bridge construction? Does anyone have a link to the project timeline?
Here is the project (http://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/) timeline:
http://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/wp-content/uploads/sites/107/2016-0523_OPT2_59243_WIS_441_24x36_Project_Improvements_Timeline_v1.pdf
I followed @WIS441I41News (https://twitter.com/WIS441I41News) with AARoads to keep up on the project.
Crews have been cutting in the new US 10/WI 441 bridges over the future Racine St access roadway over the past few days. Westbound was done overnight Sat-Sun (11-12 June) and I'll have to check, but they may have 'flipped' the eastbound side overnight last night (Tue-Wed). When this is complete, traffic will be using the westbound side of the new bridges.
Mike
Thanks guys. I'm up there for business about 2x per month, but haven't researched this project.
Quote from: mgk920 on June 15, 2016, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Alex on June 15, 2016, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: msunat97 on June 15, 2016, 09:43:08 AM
Are there any new updates on the bridge construction? Does anyone have a link to the project timeline?
Here is the project (http://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/) timeline:
http://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/wp-content/uploads/sites/107/2016-0523_OPT2_59243_WIS_441_24x36_Project_Improvements_Timeline_v1.pdf
I followed @WIS441I41News (https://twitter.com/WIS441I41News) with AARoads to keep up on the project.
Crews have been cutting in the new US 10/WI 441 bridges over the future Racine St access roadway over the past few days. Westbound was done overnight Sat-Sun (11-12 June) and I'll have to check, but they may have 'flipped' the eastbound side overnight last night (Tue-Wed). When this is complete, traffic will be using the westbound side of the new bridges.
Mike
You mean the traffic will be using the new eastbound bridge while the old one is rehabbed? The old bridge is going to carry westbound traffic only while the new one will carry eastbound traffic when the project is complete.
Quote from: peterj920 on June 16, 2016, 01:45:13 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 15, 2016, 10:14:57 AM
Quote from: Alex on June 15, 2016, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: msunat97 on June 15, 2016, 09:43:08 AM
Are there any new updates on the bridge construction? Does anyone have a link to the project timeline?
Here is the project (http://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/) timeline:
http://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/wp-content/uploads/sites/107/2016-0523_OPT2_59243_WIS_441_24x36_Project_Improvements_Timeline_v1.pdf
I followed @WIS441I41News (https://twitter.com/WIS441I41News) with AARoads to keep up on the project.
Crews have been cutting in the new US 10/WI 441 bridges over the future Racine St access roadway over the past few days. Westbound was done overnight Sat-Sun (11-12 June) and I'll have to check, but they may have 'flipped' the eastbound side overnight last night (Tue-Wed). When this is complete, traffic will be using the westbound side of the new bridges.
Mike
You mean the traffic will be using the new eastbound bridge while the old one is rehabbed? The old bridge is going to carry westbound traffic only while the new one will carry eastbound traffic when the project is complete.
No, this is at the interchange just east of the river bridge. The 'flip' for the river bridge happens in late summer or early fall.
Mike
I drove the new stretch yesterday over the new Racine St interchange and see what you meant. When traffic is switched over to the new bridge it looks like there is going to be a pretty sharp transition and traffic is probably going to back up. I have a couple of pictures below.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7462/27687788406_cfeb829224_k_d.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7217/27721798125_db36ec264f_k_d.jpg)
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8129/30329185205_e8a217a540_k_d.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7517/30032842300_df4bef10fd_k_d.jpg)
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5481/29699313504_2697fff2ca_k_d.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7531/30329186825_86fa0a69b2_k_d.jpg)
The new US 10/Wis 441 Little Lake Butte Des Mortes Bridge opened to traffic today for I-41 north to US 10 east/Wis 441 traffic north traffic today. In the next few weeks, all traffic will be switched to the eventual eastbound bridge while the old bridge is rehabbed to handle westbound traffic.
Maybe during the next signage replacement project, they could give the WI 441 solo segment exit numbers. They should have had them from the get-go IMHO.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 17, 2016, 04:58:49 PM
Maybe during the next signage replacement project, they could give the WI 441 solo segment exit numbers. They should have had them from the get-go IMHO.
WIS 441 has had mileage numbers for years, but no exit numbers for some reason. After exit numbers and mile markers for US 10 were added, the Wis 441 numbers were kept and replaced with new signs, resulting in that stretch having 2 different mile markers.
Erroneous US 10 exit numbers and mile markers at that.
Is the project still on track?
Quote from: msunat97 on October 19, 2017, 09:33:18 AM
Is the project still on track?
It's heavily under construction.
https://projects.511wi.gov/wis441/
:cool:
Mike
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 18, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
Erroneous US 10 exit numbers and mile markers at that.
What's the error?
Quote from: invincor on October 19, 2017, 12:46:57 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 18, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
Erroneous US 10 exit numbers and mile markers at that.
What's the error?
They don't correspond to the physical mileage of US 10 in Wisconsin. By a LOT.
If you measure actual mileage of US 10, the mile markers and exit numbers would put 0 somewhere around Coon Rapids, Minnesota.
I got my mileage information on US 10 from Wikipedia. It says that the very first exit on US 10 in Wisconsin in Marshfield (STH-13 north and CTH-A south) is numbered Exit 186, although Wikipedia calculates the exit's mileage from the Minnesota/Wisconsin state line is 146.95 miles, a difference of about 40 miles from the exit number. I know Wikipedia is not the most reliable source of information, but I suspect the mileage calculations are accurate. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Route_10_in_Wisconsin.
I just did a cursory check using the official state highway map, and that 40-mile error looks about right.
I wondered if it could've been calculated using US 10's historical routing where it joined with US 12 to Hudson, but that mileage works out about the same as the current one, so that's not where it came from.
Anyone have any ideas how this wide of an error got introduced?
Maybe a mileage miscalculation by WISDOT? As for the co-designation of US 10 with US 12 from Humbird to Hudson (enroute to St. Paul, MN), that only lasted from 1926-1934, so I doubt it was a factor in why the exits on US 10 are off the actual mileage by about 40 miles. All things considered, the current exit numbers on US 10 are likely here to stay.