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cl94

Oh, I know the number system is still in use and NYSDOT recognizes it. Former US 219 south of Springville does not have a number (at least not in NYSDOT's database). Their network might even be larger than Suffolk County's network
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Roadgeek Adam

Quote from: cl94 on June 09, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
Oh, I know the number system is still in use and NYSDOT recognizes it. Former US 219 south of Springville does not have a number (at least not in NYSDOT's database). Their network might even be larger than Suffolk County's network

Onondaga would give them a run for their money.
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cl94

Onondaga County has 808 miles. Erie County has well over 1000. Hell, Erie has about 70% more mileage than NYSTA. no other county is remotely close. Hell, my home county (Warren County) only maintains 245 miles, but most of that mileage meets or comes close to NYSDOT standards and pavement conditions tend to be very good to excellent.

Most of the state follows the New England system, where towns maintain almost everything, but Erie County is like the midwest and west, with the counties controlling everything outside of developed areas.
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empirestate

Quote from: cl94 on June 10, 2015, 09:27:44 AM
Onondaga County has 808 miles. Erie County has well over 1000. Hell, Erie has about 70% more mileage than NYSTA. no other county is remotely close.

Not by mileage, no. But in terms of number of routes or segments, I don't think anyone will beat Nassau County.

froggie

Quotebut Erie County is like the midwest and west, with the counties controlling everything outside of developed areas.

More like the West and the South/Southeast.  Most Midwestern states have townships where jurisdiction and road maintenance responsibility begins.

Roadgeek Adam

Quote from: empirestate on June 10, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: cl94 on June 10, 2015, 09:27:44 AM
Onondaga County has 808 miles. Erie County has well over 1000. Hell, Erie has about 70% more mileage than NYSTA. no other county is remotely close.

Not by mileage, no. But in terms of number of routes or segments, I don't think anyone will beat Nassau County.

Onondaga might come close, again, but I don't have the details in front of me. It would be nice if Nassau kept their old system to make it easier to compare and contrast, and if both counties would sign them.
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Alps

Quote from: empirestate on June 10, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: cl94 on June 10, 2015, 09:27:44 AM
Onondaga County has 808 miles. Erie County has well over 1000. Hell, Erie has about 70% more mileage than NYSTA. no other county is remotely close.

Not by mileage, no. But in terms of number of routes or segments, I don't think anyone will beat Nassau County.
Nassau changes route numbers when street names change. That system is crazy.

cl94

Quote from: Alps on June 10, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: empirestate on June 10, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: cl94 on June 10, 2015, 09:27:44 AM
Onondaga County has 808 miles. Erie County has well over 1000. Hell, Erie has about 70% more mileage than NYSTA. no other county is remotely close.

Not by mileage, no. But in terms of number of routes or segments, I don't think anyone will beat Nassau County.
Nassau changes route numbers when street names change. That system is crazy.

I completely agree that Nassau probably has the highest number of "numbered routes" with its crazy alphanumeric numbering system. Seemingly no pattern or anything (most counties with a lot of routes seem to have some sort of pattern). Has anyone bothered to count how many they actually have (including the reference routes they maintain)? I know Erie is in the neighborhood of 400, but Nassau is probably closer to 500
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empirestate

Quote from: cl94 on June 10, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
Quote from: Alps on June 10, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
Quote from: empirestate on June 10, 2015, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: cl94 on June 10, 2015, 09:27:44 AM
Onondaga County has 808 miles. Erie County has well over 1000. Hell, Erie has about 70% more mileage than NYSTA. no other county is remotely close.

Not by mileage, no. But in terms of number of routes or segments, I don't think anyone will beat Nassau County.
Nassau changes route numbers when street names change. That system is crazy.

I completely agree that Nassau probably has the highest number of "numbered routes" with its crazy alphanumeric numbering system. Seemingly no pattern or anything (most counties with a lot of routes seem to have some sort of pattern). Has anyone bothered to count how many they actually have (including the reference routes they maintain)? I know Erie is in the neighborhood of 400, but Nassau is probably closer to 500

Count away...though it would probably be easier just to download the inventory file into Excel and see what the row number goes up to.

cl94

When I get home from work. Need to make a set of pivot tables to get an accurate count, as some routes have multiple lines.
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cl94

Nassau County has 263 different CR designations, plus 2 reference routes under county jurisdiction. Erie County has 380 numerical designations plus 2 unnumbered CRs. Since it was mentioned earlier, Onondaga is around 290. Most other counties (including Suffolk, which has a seemingly-large system) have under 100 route numbers.
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Alps

Quote from: cl94 on June 10, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
I completely agree that Nassau probably has the highest number of "numbered routes" with its crazy alphanumeric numbering system. Seemingly no pattern or anything (most counties with a lot of routes seem to have some sort of pattern).
The pattern is street names. If a street name does not alphabetically match up to its alpha number, that means the name was changed more recently. Of course, the regular-numbered routes are much less patterned...

empirestate

Quote from: cl94 on June 11, 2015, 11:20:04 PM
Nassau County has 263 different CR designations, plus 2 reference routes under county jurisdiction. Erie County has 380 numerical designations plus 2 unnumbered CRs. Since it was mentioned earlier, Onondaga is around 290. Most other counties (including Suffolk, which has a seemingly-large system) have under 100 route numbers.

Of Nassau County's 263 different designations, how many are applied separately to two or more entirely different roads? A quick scan suggests something like 20% of them do (somewhat less as the numbers go higher, though).

Buffaboy

Any dollars lying around to fix Tonawanda Creek Rd? It looks like an expensive but important project.

http://youtu.be/doE3WXY35pc
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cl94

Quote from: empirestate on June 12, 2015, 01:00:58 AM
Quote from: cl94 on June 11, 2015, 11:20:04 PM
Nassau County has 263 different CR designations, plus 2 reference routes under county jurisdiction. Erie County has 380 numerical designations plus 2 unnumbered CRs. Since it was mentioned earlier, Onondaga is around 290. Most other counties (including Suffolk, which has a seemingly-large system) have under 100 route numbers.

Of Nassau County's 263 different designations, how many are applied separately to two or more entirely different roads? A quick scan suggests something like 20% of them do (somewhat less as the numbers go higher, though).

I'll cross-reference the ID numbers later to find out how many different names there are. Not as east because some physical roads change nanes while retaining the same alignment and CR number.

Quote from: Buffaboy on June 12, 2015, 10:36:45 AM
Any dollars lying around to fix Tonawanda Creek Rd? It looks like an expensive but important project.

Funny that you ask. Erie County is trying to download it to Clarence, so they're dragging their heels. Not that much money exists, anyway. Everything is falling apart. they're finally replacing some bridges in Elma that have needed it for decades, to give you an idea.
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cl94

Alright, have a couple of project updates for Region 5:

* Niagara Street complete streets project  ( http://www.gbnrtc.org/blog/niagara-street-upgrade-bus-priority-technology/ ). Redoing everything south of Ontario Street (near north city line) and installing new signals. Bus preemption will be installed. I'll likely be doing work with this project, so I'll keep you updated as I learn more

* I-290 Bridge Replacements: Piers for new EB bridges are up, as are abutments. Steel erection will likely begin shortly.

* Irving Bridge Replacements: Bridge over Silver Creek project is wrapping up. NY 438 bridge is up with railings. Milestrip Road bridge has steel up.

*As far as signal coordination goes, a big project will be going on along US 62 and NY 265 in Niagara Falls to improve flow. I'll be there starting next week to get counts for the new timing scheme.

*Peace Bridge access project is progressing nicely. There is a Canadian-style single lane APL before the ramp splits. I'll grab a picture if I'm not driving through there. I have a friend who's a structural intern with the firm in charge of the project, so I'll pass on what I learn.

*Robert Moses Parkway SB back open south of the Falls. Partial Y replaced with a roundabout near the casino.
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Buffaboy

#916
There doesn't seem to be a shortage of projects happening in the area, that's good to see.

How widespread are these style of lights in NY? I saw this at Union and Main in West Seneca:



A wider variant can be found at the Sheridan Walmart entrance in Amherst:


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steviep24

Quote from: Buffaboy on June 13, 2015, 02:08:03 AM
There doesn't seem to be a shortage of projects happening in the area, that's good to see.

How widespread are these style of lights in NY? I saw this at Union and Main in West Seneca:

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Those have been showing up in the Rochester area in recent years although still rare. The new signals they just installed on NY 33 in Gates have back plates with the yellow surround. The signals they installed at the diverging diamond at I 590 Exit 1 may be the first ones with back plates in the Rochester area.

cu2010

They've been showing up in the North Country, too. Wonder if it's a new NYSDOT standard...
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cl94

From what I can tell, the reflective backplate is the new standard. Ohio has adopted it as well.
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empirestate


Quote from: cl94 on June 12, 2015, 01:59:44 PMI'll cross-reference the ID numbers later to find out how many different names there are. Not as east because some physical roads change nanes while retaining the same alignment and CR number.

In my listing I have it separated into numbered sub-entries where they are actually different streets, vs. continuous alignments which are grouped together.

In other words, you'd just need to count all the (2)s and (3)s and add them to what you've counted so far. :-)


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froggie

Buffaboy:  when you said " these style of lights" earlier, are you referring to the doghouse signals or the mast arms?

cl94

Quote from: empirestate on June 13, 2015, 10:31:56 AM

Quote from: cl94 on June 12, 2015, 01:59:44 PMI'll cross-reference the ID numbers later to find out how many different names there are. Not as east because some physical roads change nanes while retaining the same alignment and CR number.

In my listing I have it separated into numbered sub-entries where they are actually different streets, vs. continuous alignments which are grouped together.

In other words, you'd just need to count all the (2)s and (3)s and add them to what you've counted so far. :-)


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Approximately 45 of those, which makes ~308 total CRs in Nassau County
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Buffaboy

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Quote from: froggie on June 13, 2015, 11:55:41 AM
Buffaboy:  when you said " these style of lights" earlier, are you referring to the doghouse signals or the mast arms?

I meant both the signals and arms. From my experience there aren't many in Region 5 nor are there many in Region 2 and 3. Most are string lights. I know Cleveland has switched many of their lights over, but I can't tell if there's an advantage over the standard.

This website has an interesting overview of lights by state.
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steviep24

Quote from: Buffaboy on June 13, 2015, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: froggie on June 13, 2015, 11:55:41 AM
Buffaboy:  when you said " these style of lights" earlier, are you referring to the doghouse signals or the mast arms?

I meant both the signals and arms. From my experience there aren't many in Region 5 nor are there many in Region 3. Most are string lights. I know Cleveland has switched many of their lights over, but I can't tell if there's an advantage over the standard.

This website has an interesting overview of lights by state.
I really thought you were talking about the use of back plates on the lights. Those are rather uncommon in NY.

Mast arms are very common here in the Rochester area mainly because that is the standard for signals owned by Monroe County since the '90's. County owned signals on span wire are over 20 years old. However, NYSDOT signals are still mostly span wire for new signals but plenty of mast arms here too for their signals.



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