Title: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 16, 2022, 02:29:06 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 16, 2022, 02:29:06 PM
Hi all. I'm looking for locations where there are bike traffic signals. Please send locations of bike signals (preferably in the US), and share your thoughts on them! Thanks (:
Here's a bike signal I saw yesterday. It operates with a FYRT and FYLT signal. It's located on Washington street at Highland St in West Newton, MA
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220716/35da5336992e4934fc1a290455b09d9c.jpg)
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Here's a bike signal I saw yesterday. It operates with a FYRT and FYLT signal. It's located on Washington street at Highland St in West Newton, MA
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220716/35da5336992e4934fc1a290455b09d9c.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 16, 2022, 02:38:40 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 16, 2022, 02:38:40 PM
North Fremont Street in Monterey, CA on the oddly placed center media bike lanes:
https://goo.gl/maps/duqkZADzwytPVSEs9
The lanes can be seen in this photo I took:
https://flic.kr/p/2ny4dF7
https://goo.gl/maps/duqkZADzwytPVSEs9
The lanes can be seen in this photo I took:
https://flic.kr/p/2ny4dF7
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: froggie on July 16, 2022, 03:14:09 PM
Post by: froggie on July 16, 2022, 03:14:09 PM
NE 5th St at Broadway (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9985655,-93.2602475,3a,24.8y,354.84h,89.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sk7jMUlatweMAvI5p_DfNfw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) in Minneapolis, MN. NE 5th is a designated "bicycle boulevard". Bicycles and pedestrians can cross Broadway from the south here, but not vehicles. And that's nothing new either. Vehicles have been blocked to/from the south at NE 5th/Broadway since the 1960s.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: steviep24 on July 16, 2022, 05:19:05 PM
Post by: steviep24 on July 16, 2022, 05:19:05 PM
A bike signal in Buffalo, NY
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.902235,-78.8710326,3a,37.5y,186.77h,85.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0lgR9o6Xk43DTalpYaFiOQ!2e0!5s20220501T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0
New York City has many bike signals
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.902235,-78.8710326,3a,37.5y,186.77h,85.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0lgR9o6Xk43DTalpYaFiOQ!2e0!5s20220501T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0
New York City has many bike signals
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Big John on July 16, 2022, 05:32:24 PM
Post by: Big John on July 16, 2022, 05:32:24 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on July 16, 2022, 05:19:05 PMDoes the MUTCD 8' separation rule apply to bike signals?
A bike signal in Buffalo, NY
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.902235,-78.8710326,3a,37.5y,186.77h,85.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0lgR9o6Xk43DTalpYaFiOQ!2e0!5s20220501T000000!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en&authuser=0
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Rothman on July 16, 2022, 11:55:31 PM
Post by: Rothman on July 16, 2022, 11:55:31 PM
Southeast corner of Clinton Square in Syracuse, NY.
And a bunch of new ones were installed on Erie Blvd heading east out of the city as part of the completion of the Empire State Trail.
And a bunch of new ones were installed on Erie Blvd heading east out of the city as part of the completion of the Empire State Trail.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: SkyPesos on July 16, 2022, 11:59:14 PM
Post by: SkyPesos on July 16, 2022, 11:59:14 PM
In the op example, I find it interesting that the bike signal is red with a FYA right. I would think it would either be a green bike signal w/ FYA right (so the flashing yellow also means to yield to bikes), or red bike signal with green right arrow.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 06:54:42 PM
Post by: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 06:54:42 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 16, 2022, 02:38:40 PM
North Fremont Street in Monterey, CA on the oddly placed center media bike lanes:
https://goo.gl/maps/duqkZADzwytPVSEs9
The lanes can be seen in this photo I took:
https://flic.kr/p/2ny4dF7
These are really interesting. Novel to put the bike lanes in the median. looking at old GSV, it seems that they were able to squeeze them in by taking up some of the preexisting concrete in the median and slightly encroaching into the driving lanes. But the number of driving and parking lanes generally do not seem to be reduced, so the lanes were simply narrowed (probably to 10 ft wide, which is new standard for lane width on surface streets).
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2022, 06:57:55 PM
Post by: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2022, 06:57:55 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 06:54:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on July 16, 2022, 02:38:40 PM
North Fremont Street in Monterey, CA on the oddly placed center media bike lanes:
https://goo.gl/maps/duqkZADzwytPVSEs9
The lanes can be seen in this photo I took:
https://flic.kr/p/2ny4dF7
These are really interesting. Novel to put the bike lanes in the median. looking at old GSV, it seems that they were able to squeeze them in by taking up some of the preexisting concrete in the median and slightly encroaching into the driving lanes. But the number of driving and parking lanes generally do not seem to be reduced, so the lanes were simply narrowed (probably to 10 ft wide, which is new standard for lane width on surface streets).
I've yet to see anyone use the bike lanes. Getting access to them seems pretty obtuse, especially from the western entrance.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 07:13:50 PM
Post by: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2022, 11:59:14 PM
In the op example, I find it interesting that the bike signal is red with a FYA right. I would think it would either be a green bike signal w/ FYA right (so the flashing yellow also means to yield to bikes), or red bike signal with green right arrow.
There is a trend in some places to have the FY right arrow on concurrent with the green bike signal as a method of allowing bikes to proceed, even when cars may turn right. This is done as bikers have complained that the bike signals were too short, so they also wanted the time for right turners as well.
See this video for application in NYC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCvfPUnpaww
In my opinion, it is really unsafe. The whole purpose of separating the turning movement from the thru bike movement is due to safety, allowing bikes to proceed without worrying about right turners and allowing right turners to proceed without worrying about bikes (due to blind spots, etc.). Yes, it means that during the green phase, bikes can only proceed at the beginning and right turns can only proceed at the end, but the sacrifice of time is necessary for safety.
Now, it seems, that in the OP's situation, you have a situation where right turns have a completely separate phase from bikes, but not a completely separate phase from pedestrians. I.e. At the beginning of the phase, cars may proceed forward, peds and bikes may proceed forward, and right turners have a red arrow and must wait. Then in the middle part of the phase, cars may proceed forward, peds may proceed forward, bikes must wait, and right turners have a flashing yellow arrow to yield to the pedestrians. Presumably, there is also an end of the phase where cars may proceed forward, peds and bikes must wait, and right turners have a green arrow in order to complete their turn.*
This seems to be better. Knowing the inherent safety difficulties of allowing right turns and thru bikes at the same time, the signal forbids it. But it still allows for pedestrians to have increased time to cross durnig the permissive right turn phase. Right turners yield (FYA) to peds, and not bikes.
* It is also possible that the protected right turn green arrow is concurrent with the side street left turn instead.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 07:37:45 PM
Post by: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 07:37:45 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2022, 06:57:55 PMQuote from: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 06:54:42 PMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on July 16, 2022, 02:38:40 PM
North Fremont Street in Monterey, CA on the oddly placed center media bike lanes:
https://goo.gl/maps/duqkZADzwytPVSEs9
The lanes can be seen in this photo I took:
https://flic.kr/p/2ny4dF7
These are really interesting. Novel to put the bike lanes in the median. looking at old GSV, it seems that they were able to squeeze them in by taking up some of the preexisting concrete in the median and slightly encroaching into the driving lanes. But the number of driving and parking lanes generally do not seem to be reduced, so the lanes were simply narrowed (probably to 10 ft wide, which is new standard for lane width on surface streets).
I've yet to see anyone use the bike lanes. Getting access to them seems pretty obtuse, especially from the western entrance.
Generally speaking, median bike lanes are not preferred, since presumably most bicyclists are going short distances. Generally speaking, someone walking (or biking) down a street is more likely to pop into one of the businesses than someone driving, because it is more likely that their destination is closer. There is a hierarchy: pedestrain, bicyclist, car. A bike lane is best when it is near the sidewalk. If anyone on a bike wants to access one of the Fremont businesses, they will have a pretty difficult time crossing the street. I can easily see why there aren't many customers to these lanes.
There are standards to the widths of bike lanes. Generally speaking if you are designing bike lanes that are designed to be "protected" by a row of parked cars, you also have to leave a buffer of 2' -3' to allow for the opening of car doors (and that those car doors don't hit passing bicyclists). That buffer is not needed if the bike lane is alongside a lane of moving traffic. I think that the city decided that they could utilize narrower bike lanes, provide protection, and maintain most of the parking, if they implement the design chosen.
That being said, there are some places with successful median bike lanes like Pennsylvania Ave in Washington DC.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 18, 2022, 09:25:52 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 18, 2022, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2022, 11:59:14 PMIt's pretty strange, here's a video of it operating; https://youtu.be/ZQQBYXDiHgo
In the op example, I find it interesting that the bike signal is red with a FYA right. I would think it would either be a green bike signal w/ FYA right (so the flashing yellow also means to yield to bikes), or red bike signal with green right arrow.
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 18, 2022, 09:28:52 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 18, 2022, 09:28:52 PM
Quote from: mrsman on July 18, 2022, 07:13:50 PMI actually believe that it's all context based. Some spots may benefit from protected only phasing, especially when there are a lot of turning vehicles. However, many signals may not have the lane capacity or even need for that. For example, the intersection of Mass/Beech in Cambridge MA has a lot of right hook crashes with bicyclists. Lots of cars turning, and lots of bicycle traffic (150+ bikes per hour in the peak direction in the warmer months). Separated bicycle quick build lanes are now being installed, but a protected right lane and signal wasn't possible. The city instead will be giving bicyclists a 7 second head start over turning traffic, and will show motorists a 5 section doghouse with a FYRA, to reenforce the need to yield. Without that flexibility, it would be very difficult to make that intersection safer. Hope that helps !Quote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2022, 11:59:14 PM
In the op example, I find it interesting that the bike signal is red with a FYA right. I would think it would either be a green bike signal w/ FYA right (so the flashing yellow also means to yield to bikes), or red bike signal with green right arrow.
There is a trend in some places to have the FY right arrow on concurrent with the green bike signal as a method of allowing bikes to proceed, even when cars may turn right. This is done as bikers have complained that the bike signals were too short, so they also wanted the time for right turners as well.
See this video for application in NYC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCvfPUnpaww
In my opinion, it is really unsafe. The whole purpose of separating the turning movement from the thru bike movement is due to safety, allowing bikes to proceed without worrying about right turners and allowing right turners to proceed without worrying about bikes (due to blind spots, etc.). Yes, it means that during the green phase, bikes can only proceed at the beginning and right turns can only proceed at the end, but the sacrifice of time is necessary for safety.
Now, it seems, that in the OP's situation, you have a situation where right turns have a completely separate phase from bikes, but not a completely separate phase from pedestrians. I.e. At the beginning of the phase, cars may proceed forward, peds and bikes may proceed forward, and right turners have a red arrow and must wait. Then in the middle part of the phase, cars may proceed forward, peds may proceed forward, bikes must wait, and right turners have a flashing yellow arrow to yield to the pedestrians. Presumably, there is also an end of the phase where cars may proceed forward, peds and bikes must wait, and right turners have a green arrow in order to complete their turn.*
This seems to be better. Knowing the inherent safety difficulties of allowing right turns and thru bikes at the same time, the signal forbids it. But it still allows for pedestrians to have increased time to cross durnig the permissive right turn phase. Right turners yield (FYA) to peds, and not bikes.
* It is also possible that the protected right turn green arrow is concurrent with the side street left turn instead.
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: MATraveler128 on July 18, 2022, 10:03:47 PM
Post by: MATraveler128 on July 18, 2022, 10:03:47 PM
Here's one in Lexington, MA where MA 4/225 crosses the Minuteman Bikeway.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4613613,-71.2392576,3a,47.7y,301.04h,90.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sO6WKrvIfsrLXySYSWqmwYQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4613613,-71.2392576,3a,47.7y,301.04h,90.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sO6WKrvIfsrLXySYSWqmwYQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: DrSmith on July 19, 2022, 07:59:05 AM
Post by: DrSmith on July 19, 2022, 07:59:05 AM
In Montreal, a bike signal where the bike lane and ramp traffic cross with the left side ramp switching onto the road.
https://goo.gl/maps/uy9hx9oaEVjV7uxw6
https://goo.gl/maps/uy9hx9oaEVjV7uxw6
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: hotdogPi on July 19, 2022, 08:29:22 AM
Post by: hotdogPi on July 19, 2022, 08:29:22 AM
While this one is fairly typical for its location (Central London), I had to take a photo of it. Note the small signal at ground level.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52173979665_c70f9d8a0f_k.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52173979665_c70f9d8a0f_k.jpg)
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 19, 2022, 08:29:38 AM
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 19, 2022, 08:29:38 AM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on July 18, 2022, 10:03:47 PMRight in my backyard! (I live in Arlington on the same trail). We have a crossing like that at Lake St. https://youtu.be/jVYG_nCCXk0
Here's one in Lexington, MA where MA 4/225 crosses the Minuteman Bikeway.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4613613,-71.2392576,3a,47.7y,301.04h,90.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sO6WKrvIfsrLXySYSWqmwYQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: on_wisconsin on July 19, 2022, 08:37:29 AM
Post by: on_wisconsin on July 19, 2022, 08:37:29 AM
Various locations around Campus/ Downtown Madison, WI:
University Ave & Frances St:
https://goo.gl/maps/5bnah1PZscBnk2HY6
N Charter St & Spring:
https://goo.gl/maps/B4SCtn4RkP8SNE5x9
Many more examples exist...
University Ave & Frances St:
https://goo.gl/maps/5bnah1PZscBnk2HY6
N Charter St & Spring:
https://goo.gl/maps/B4SCtn4RkP8SNE5x9
Many more examples exist...
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: jamess on July 19, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
Post by: jamess on July 19, 2022, 03:31:58 PM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on July 18, 2022, 09:25:52 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2022, 11:59:14 PMIt's pretty strange, here's a video of it operating; https://youtu.be/ZQQBYXDiHgo
In the op example, I find it interesting that the bike signal is red with a FYA right. I would think it would either be a green bike signal w/ FYA right (so the flashing yellow also means to yield to bikes), or red bike signal with green right arrow.
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The nearside signal is super dumb. Badly located and hard to see. The infrastructure we use for trucks is not what we need for bikes. Should have been a tiny post mounted one like the London example
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 20, 2022, 12:19:18 AM
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 20, 2022, 12:19:18 AM
Quote from: jamess on July 19, 2022, 03:31:58 PMAgreed. More advanced cities are doing that now. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220720/a941ee548ff14373d37d9fd55106c0ae.jpg)Quote from: Amtrakprod on July 18, 2022, 09:25:52 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on July 16, 2022, 11:59:14 PMIt's pretty strange, here's a video of it operating; https://youtu.be/ZQQBYXDiHgo
In the op example, I find it interesting that the bike signal is red with a FYA right. I would think it would either be a green bike signal w/ FYA right (so the flashing yellow also means to yield to bikes), or red bike signal with green right arrow.
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The nearside signal is super dumb. Badly located and hard to see. The infrastructure we use for trucks is not what we need for bikes. Should have been a tiny post mounted one like the London example
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: SectorZ on July 20, 2022, 06:37:43 AM
Post by: SectorZ on July 20, 2022, 06:37:43 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/pEmB3QquuhoCJjJH7
This is another one in Newton, MA, this at Beacon and Grant near Chestnut Hill. Since it's a 3-way intersection, Beacon St eastbound has what appears to be a semi-permanent bike green even if Beacon itself is red. GSV pic doesn't show this so you'll have to take my word for it having accessed it over its few years in operation. I presume it turns red for pedestrian crossings.
This is another one in Newton, MA, this at Beacon and Grant near Chestnut Hill. Since it's a 3-way intersection, Beacon St eastbound has what appears to be a semi-permanent bike green even if Beacon itself is red. GSV pic doesn't show this so you'll have to take my word for it having accessed it over its few years in operation. I presume it turns red for pedestrian crossings.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: 1995hoo on July 20, 2022, 08:20:44 AM
Post by: 1995hoo on July 20, 2022, 08:20:44 AM
DC has them in various locations. Here's one near the White House; the bikers to whom this signal applies would be using the westbound median bike lane on Pennsylvania Avenue. (https://goo.gl/maps/g22MWcwZWCYwga9X9)
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 24, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 24, 2022, 05:09:26 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220724/642b76cfd41db694acb9f183ba8a38ed.jpg)
New bicycle signal in Boston. The bike signal is 8" , while the other signals are the standard 12" .
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New bicycle signal in Boston. The bike signal is 8" , while the other signals are the standard 12" .
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 24, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 24, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on July 20, 2022, 06:37:43 AMSuper cool ! I think FWYDRIVER got a video of it functioning, I'd like to see it soon in person
https://goo.gl/maps/pEmB3QquuhoCJjJH7
This is another one in Newton, MA, this at Beacon and Grant near Chestnut Hill. Since it's a 3-way intersection, Beacon St eastbound has what appears to be a semi-permanent bike green even if Beacon itself is red. GSV pic doesn't show this so you'll have to take my word for it having accessed it over its few years in operation. I presume it turns red for pedestrian crossings.
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 29, 2022, 07:25:56 AM
Post by: Amtrakprod on July 29, 2022, 07:25:56 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220729/1052a82e2ad334c1d5bfd223c7b13120.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220729/5c822d10fbcbaf9e8ab381892459c86f.jpg)
Another bike signal activated, this one I was involved in the development for. Signal will give a 7 second head start to people biking and walking. In peak hours, there are 7-10 bicycles per cycle in just one direction here. The signal for vehicles will be a 5 section doghouse with a FYA right turn
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220729/5c822d10fbcbaf9e8ab381892459c86f.jpg)
Another bike signal activated, this one I was involved in the development for. Signal will give a 7 second head start to people biking and walking. In peak hours, there are 7-10 bicycles per cycle in just one direction here. The signal for vehicles will be a 5 section doghouse with a FYA right turn
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 29, 2022, 08:16:21 AM
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 29, 2022, 08:16:21 AM
14th Avenue at Union Square East, November 25, 2019:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Cycling_Signals_%40_Union_Square%3B_4th_Ave_and_14th_St.jpg/640px-Cycling_Signals_%40_Union_Square%3B_4th_Ave_and_14th_St.jpg)
It's a good thing the light was green back when I took that.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Cycling_Signals_%40_Union_Square%3B_4th_Ave_and_14th_St.jpg/640px-Cycling_Signals_%40_Union_Square%3B_4th_Ave_and_14th_St.jpg)
It's a good thing the light was green back when I took that.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: fwydriver405 on August 01, 2022, 10:06:54 AM
Post by: fwydriver405 on August 01, 2022, 10:06:54 AM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on July 24, 2022, 05:09:55 PMQuote from: SectorZ on July 20, 2022, 06:37:43 AMSuper cool ! I think FWYDRIVER got a video of it functioning, I'd like to see it soon in person
https://goo.gl/maps/pEmB3QquuhoCJjJH7
This is another one in Newton, MA, this at Beacon and Grant near Chestnut Hill. Since it's a 3-way intersection, Beacon St eastbound has what appears to be a semi-permanent bike green even if Beacon itself is red. GSV pic doesn't show this so you'll have to take my word for it having accessed it over its few years in operation. I presume it turns red for pedestrian crossings.
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Yup! The EB bike signal always stays green except for the Phase 9 exclusive pedestrian phase. I mentioned this earlier in the "Bike Lanes" thread below:
Quote from: fwydriver405 on October 16, 2021, 08:00:36 PMQuote from: SkyPesos on October 01, 2021, 12:26:16 PMQuote from: 1995hoo on October 01, 2021, 12:11:18 PMThere's a similar situation near me here (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4240579,-86.9123336,3a,20.7y,69.7h,85.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7hSkrh8Z2lds96Tvf-3F5g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Note that the bike lane is the striped red/gray part. There's even a sign asking for cyclists to yield to crossing pedestrians, though from what I've observed, not a lot of people follow that.
One thing I don't like is where a crosswalk crosses a bike lane at a T-intersection (this example is outside the US Treasury in DC) (https://goo.gl/maps/PC1zhVEyXXQtS17X8). Legally, the cyclists must stop when the light goes red so that the pedestrians can cross the street with the "Walk" sign. Take a guess how often the cyclists actually stop. It's a wonder there aren't more collisions and injuries through this area.
At Beacon St and Grant Rd in Newton, MA, the eastbound thru bikes are treated like a Continuous Green T. The bike signal in the eastbound direction has an overlap with all phases (2, 4, 5, 6) except with Phase 9 (ex. ped) and only changes to red when Phase 9 (ex. ped) is active:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ew8M-Pskr8
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: mrsman on August 03, 2022, 06:29:24 PM
Post by: mrsman on August 03, 2022, 06:29:24 PM
I wonder if anybody else has an issue with the placement of the bike signal. Since they are the same size and same spec as regular signals, except for the bike cutouts over the orbs, they could get confused for driving signals.
Here's 9th Av and 42nd in NYC. The left turn arrow and bike signal are right next to each other. It could be confusing for either the bike or the left turner, if they focus on the wrong signal head.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7585639,-73.9924381,3a,15y,209.02h,92.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stPlMAMn4iDGSsvikmDSM6g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
For similar reasons of confusion, there are unique singal heads for light rail vehicles (and in some areas for buses as well) at intersections that are very disctinct and don't use the RYG colors at all.
Pedestrain signals are also distinct, with distinct symbols and are often situated in a way to make them somewhat (but not totally) obscure from drivers. Perhaps bike signals need a more distinct look as well, to avoid confusion.
Here's 9th Av and 42nd in NYC. The left turn arrow and bike signal are right next to each other. It could be confusing for either the bike or the left turner, if they focus on the wrong signal head.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7585639,-73.9924381,3a,15y,209.02h,92.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stPlMAMn4iDGSsvikmDSM6g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
For similar reasons of confusion, there are unique singal heads for light rail vehicles (and in some areas for buses as well) at intersections that are very disctinct and don't use the RYG colors at all.
Pedestrain signals are also distinct, with distinct symbols and are often situated in a way to make them somewhat (but not totally) obscure from drivers. Perhaps bike signals need a more distinct look as well, to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Jet380 on August 04, 2022, 09:46:01 PM
Post by: Jet380 on August 04, 2022, 09:46:01 PM
Quote from: mrsman on August 03, 2022, 06:29:24 PM
Pedestrain signals are also distinct, with distinct symbols and are often situated in a way to make them somewhat (but not totally) obscure from drivers. Perhaps bike signals need a more distinct look as well, to avoid confusion.
Some cities in Australia fit the bike signals with square visors, which gives them an unusual look distinguishing them from vehicle signals. See this example in Sydney:
(https://i.imgur.com/R5yPk36.png)
https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8675223,151.2084193,3a,15y,186.35h,95.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv05PNwx65jL2J8qIrYxGiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.8675223,151.2084193,3a,15y,186.35h,95.41t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sv05PNwx65jL2J8qIrYxGiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3)
But in Perth they go in the opposite direction, integrating them with the vehicular signals and leading to at least one very wacky layout:
(https://i.imgur.com/w24q3jy.png)(https://i.imgur.com/HWdwBwL.png)
https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.9546329,115.8602644,3a,75y,2.48h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swTtFB4pClWnAgs6M2I_4Iw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DwTtFB4pClWnAgs6M2I_4Iw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D249.15239%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.9546329,115.8602644,3a,75y,2.48h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swTtFB4pClWnAgs6M2I_4Iw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DwTtFB4pClWnAgs6M2I_4Iw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D249.15239%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3)
https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.9569983,115.8590463,3a,15.1y,18.34h,92.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOoqj45cexTHeOC1vh_pKcg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.9569983,115.8590463,3a,15.1y,18.34h,92.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOoqj45cexTHeOC1vh_pKcg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e3)
Are there any places in the USA that use the square visor design to distinguish bike signals?
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: ErmineNotyours on August 09, 2022, 05:55:54 AM
Post by: ErmineNotyours on August 09, 2022, 05:55:54 AM
Sign near the first bike signal I ever saw, after hearing about another one that was converted to a regular signal before I could get to it. I saw the red phase and I wanted to see the green phase, but no bicyclist ever followed the instructions on the sign to change the signal while I was waiting. September 2007, Portland, Oregon.
Google Street View shows the signal with a countdown to green timer. (https://goo.gl/maps/wWVb5tbgwqerfH337)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52274042849_f28744b4a4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nDh8JR)
Google Street View shows the signal with a countdown to green timer. (https://goo.gl/maps/wWVb5tbgwqerfH337)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52274042849_f28744b4a4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nDh8JR)
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: jakeroot on August 10, 2022, 03:16:13 PM
Post by: jakeroot on August 10, 2022, 03:16:13 PM
Quote from: Jet380 on August 04, 2022, 09:46:01 PM
Are there any places in the USA that use the square visor design to distinguish bike signals?
I've only seen square visors on 3M programmable-visibility signals.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 11, 2022, 02:38:26 AM
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 11, 2022, 02:38:26 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220811/d97db9ad2e2874ad09d2db974d46ec73.jpg)
Portland uses yellow bicycle signals !
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Portland uses yellow bicycle signals !
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: jakeroot on August 11, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
Post by: jakeroot on August 11, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
I've also seen yellow bike signals in Redmond, WA:
https://goo.gl/maps/E33SjYQDQ9g2Lnuk8
https://goo.gl/maps/E33SjYQDQ9g2Lnuk8
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: roadfro on August 11, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
Post by: roadfro on August 11, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
I like the idea of using different colored backplates and signal housing to differentiate bike signals from vehicular signals.
Maybe the backplates should be a green color (or use a green reflective border), to match the pavement color used to highlight bike lanes...?
Maybe the backplates should be a green color (or use a green reflective border), to match the pavement color used to highlight bike lanes...?
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: 7/8 on August 11, 2022, 12:48:25 PM
Post by: 7/8 on August 11, 2022, 12:48:25 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 11, 2022, 11:51:26 AM
I've also seen yellow bike signals in Redmond, WA:
https://goo.gl/maps/E33SjYQDQ9g2Lnuk8
Meanwhile it's the exact opposite in Waterloo, ON:
Bridgeport Rd (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.4683304,-80.5182531,3a,89.5y,300.53h,89.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scmBvx9NuZXhY0Us9YFIsfg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Erb St (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.465603,-80.5190621,3a,75.8y,313.61h,89.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sS0KeAa4rW3h57CWdt1hryg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: mrsman on August 11, 2022, 01:23:11 PM
Post by: mrsman on August 11, 2022, 01:23:11 PM
Quote from: roadfro on August 11, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
I like the idea of using different colored backplates and signal housing to differentiate bike signals from vehicular signals.
Maybe the backplates should be a green color (or use a green reflective border), to match the pavement color used to highlight bike lanes...?
Not a bad idea. I also like green. They shouldn't use yellow, as yellow is more and more being used to highlight regular signal heads.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 12, 2022, 03:17:49 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 12, 2022, 03:17:49 PM
Quote from: mrsman on August 11, 2022, 01:23:11 PMAll that matters is that the backplate should be different from the other ones, IMO. Portland's choice for yellow I think is a good one. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220812/dcbe9c6966be3a2def9b6b6e3ee9c174.jpg)Quote from: roadfro on August 11, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
I like the idea of using different colored backplates and signal housing to differentiate bike signals from vehicular signals.
Maybe the backplates should be a green color (or use a green reflective border), to match the pavement color used to highlight bike lanes...?
Not a bad idea. I also like green. They shouldn't use yellow, as yellow is more and more being used to highlight regular signal heads.
It looks like they will do the same for their bus signals
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: mrsman on August 12, 2022, 06:36:29 PM
Post by: mrsman on August 12, 2022, 06:36:29 PM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on August 12, 2022, 03:17:49 PMQuote from: mrsman on August 11, 2022, 01:23:11 PMAll that matters is that the backplate should be different from the other ones, IMO. Portland's choice for yellow I think is a good one. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220812/dcbe9c6966be3a2def9b6b6e3ee9c174.jpg)Quote from: roadfro on August 11, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
I like the idea of using different colored backplates and signal housing to differentiate bike signals from vehicular signals.
Maybe the backplates should be a green color (or use a green reflective border), to match the pavement color used to highlight bike lanes...?
Not a bad idea. I also like green. They shouldn't use yellow, as yellow is more and more being used to highlight regular signal heads.
It looks like they will do the same for their bus signals
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Long Beach CA used to do this as well. From this vantage point, you see bike signals that are very clearly labeled as such with yellow backplates and the words "bike signal" written on the backplates.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7704727,-118.19792,3a,37.5y,259.52h,88.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYFN_bP4kl50xl4ncNwnhEw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Oddly enough, a few years later they moved the proteced bike lane from the left side to the right side of the street and got rid of the bike signals.
Here are a few pics of some "cross walk" backplates that used to exist at the signalized crosswalks in Los Angeles. These were the lights that flashed red during the pedestrian phase, and in my opinion, are far superior to HAWKs. These signals still exist in L.A. in the Downtown area, along Fairfax Ave, and at certain other locations where there are lots of pedestrians and high demand for mid-block crossing, but they use regular black backplates now.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/66626591@N08/22291658478/in/photostream/
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Jet380 on August 12, 2022, 09:05:05 PM
Post by: Jet380 on August 12, 2022, 09:05:05 PM
Quote from: roadfro on August 11, 2022, 12:18:33 PM
Maybe the backplates should be a green color (or use a green reflective border), to match the pavement color used to highlight bike lanes...?
Great idea, then you can say that if you use the bike lane, you'll always have a green light! :-D
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: jamess on August 18, 2022, 10:20:00 AM
Post by: jamess on August 18, 2022, 10:20:00 AM
This is under construction in Cambridge, MA.
The picture is confusing, but Im happy to note the bottom signal is at the height that bike signals should be.
https://twitter.com/PetruSofio/status/1560047458486558722
The picture is confusing, but Im happy to note the bottom signal is at the height that bike signals should be.
https://twitter.com/PetruSofio/status/1560047458486558722
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 18, 2022, 12:01:14 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 18, 2022, 12:01:14 PM
Quote from: jamess on August 18, 2022, 10:20:00 AMOh actually it's not, (that's my Twitter !). (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220818/c8d1a0b32c0772c8134b9ae0a04bf750.jpg)
This is under construction in Cambridge, MA.
The picture is confusing, but Im happy to note the bottom signal is at the height that bike signals should be.
https://twitter.com/PetruSofio/status/1560047458486558722
The bike signals here are too tall, but will be lowered next week. Contractor didn't know what height to put them at. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220818/b1d614cbe8af3e0aec6a938f1a710585.jpg)
Next issue to fix will be this double bike signal
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: jakeroot on August 18, 2022, 04:43:59 PM
Post by: jakeroot on August 18, 2022, 04:43:59 PM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on August 18, 2022, 12:01:14 PM
Next issue to fix will be this double bike signal
What kind of turn signals are they using for bike signals?
Seems like they could do stuff like this:
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kenningtonparkestateresidents.org.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F08%2Ftraffic-signal.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 18, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 18, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 18, 2022, 04:43:59 PMUhhh,,,, TBDQuote from: Amtrakprod on August 18, 2022, 12:01:14 PM
Next issue to fix will be this double bike signal
What kind of turn signals are they using for bike signals?
Seems like they could do stuff like this:
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kenningtonparkestateresidents.org.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F08%2Ftraffic-signal.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
. No signal manufacturer in North America (0) make a LT bicycle signal. It's a big problem. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220818/08aecbdb75ce1fa80740938cbab26668.jpg)Hopefully it won't have to be shipped in from Europe.
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: jakeroot on August 19, 2022, 05:15:04 PM
Post by: jakeroot on August 19, 2022, 05:15:04 PM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on August 18, 2022, 06:37:49 PM
Uhhh,,,, TBD
...
Hopefully it won't have to be shipped in from Europe.
It can take a while to find something that works. So, just experiment until something sticks. The left turn bike signal I posted above seems like it would work really well. Even cheaper, just a small sign below the signal that says "Left/Right Turn Bicycle Signal".
Shipping over from Europe is not without precedent. When the first mini roundabout opened in the United States, in Dimondale, MI, there was no American standard for a lit "keep right" bollard. So they shipped one over from the UK and used that one instead.
(https://i.imgur.com/xkQKuix.png)
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 21, 2022, 05:58:19 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 21, 2022, 05:58:19 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/d9cd19593ffba4561c784842f069d727.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/5c19bbb4cb92452f774fe81147304c32.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/827a07683a9776113c5b0692339aa795.jpg)
New LBI activated on Friday. FYA doghouse, bicycle signals and a lagging left turn.
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/5c19bbb4cb92452f774fe81147304c32.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/827a07683a9776113c5b0692339aa795.jpg)
New LBI activated on Friday. FYA doghouse, bicycle signals and a lagging left turn.
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Rothman on August 21, 2022, 08:22:56 PM
Post by: Rothman on August 21, 2022, 08:22:56 PM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on August 21, 2022, 05:58:19 PMSomewhere...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/d9cd19593ffba4561c784842f069d727.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/5c19bbb4cb92452f774fe81147304c32.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/827a07683a9776113c5b0692339aa795.jpg)
New LBI activated on Friday. FYA doghouse, bicycle signals and a lagging left turn.
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 21, 2022, 09:28:15 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on August 21, 2022, 09:28:15 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 21, 2022, 08:22:56 PMOh yes. Beech street at Mass avenue in Cambridge, MA.Quote from: Amtrakprod on August 21, 2022, 05:58:19 PMSomewhere...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/d9cd19593ffba4561c784842f069d727.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/5c19bbb4cb92452f774fe81147304c32.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220821/827a07683a9776113c5b0692339aa795.jpg)
New LBI activated on Friday. FYA doghouse, bicycle signals and a lagging left turn.
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: roadman65 on October 31, 2022, 02:27:08 PM
Post by: roadman65 on October 31, 2022, 02:27:08 PM
https://goo.gl/maps/4whRbEQrEUUJx2e48
New York.
New York.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on October 31, 2022, 04:13:20 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on October 31, 2022, 04:13:20 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 31, 2022, 02:27:08 PMThanks ! NYC has so many installations of bike signals, probably more than most entire states.
https://goo.gl/maps/4whRbEQrEUUJx2e48
New York.
Here's a new bike signal in Cambridge, MA: (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221031/ebfe67b5ef153ecc95cfb395e2b5aba0.jpg)
There's another one for the crossover on the other side. Two 4" signals next to each other. I'll take photos when they're actuated.
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Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
Post by: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on November 23, 2022, 06:34:51 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on November 23, 2022, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
I haven't seen any, but hopefully some will be installed soon. Maybe Jersey City will be the first, or Hoboken.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PM
Post by: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PM
Quote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/q1xBTYZx2VnLi6Dx6) for this strange little bike path in Secaucus.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Big John on November 27, 2022, 10:25:38 PM
Post by: Big John on November 27, 2022, 10:25:38 PM
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PMOff topic, but there are diagonal louvers on the pole-mounted signal. Purpose?Quote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/q1xBTYZx2VnLi6Dx6) for this strange little bike path in Secaucus.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on November 27, 2022, 10:38:40 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on November 27, 2022, 10:38:40 PM
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PMQuote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/q1xBTYZx2VnLi6Dx6) for this strange little bike path in Secaucus.
Good catch ! Thanks (:
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 28, 2022, 12:36:57 AM
Post by: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 28, 2022, 12:36:57 AM
Quote from: Big John on November 27, 2022, 10:25:38 PMQuote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PMOff topic, but there are diagonal louvers on the pole-mounted signal. Purpose?Quote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/q1xBTYZx2VnLi6Dx6) for this strange little bike path in Secaucus.
Probably so that bikes don't see the green for vehicles turning left and think it pertains to them.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: jamess on December 07, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
Post by: jamess on December 07, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
Quote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PMQuote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/q1xBTYZx2VnLi6Dx6) for this strange little bike path in Secaucus.
Any idea of how it came about? That two way bike path appears to be high quality, but is just 2 blocks long
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: roadfro on December 07, 2022, 11:27:11 AM
Post by: roadfro on December 07, 2022, 11:27:11 AM
Quote from: jamess on December 07, 2022, 11:03:50 AMQuote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PMQuote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/q1xBTYZx2VnLi6Dx6) for this strange little bike path in Secaucus.
Any idea of how it came about? That two way bike path appears to be high quality, but is just 2 blocks long
Off-topic, but the use of the double-yellow skip lines across breaks in the separating median (where vehicles can cross the bike path) is very odd and definitely non-compliant.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: SectorZ on December 07, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Post by: SectorZ on December 07, 2022, 11:30:16 AM
Quote from: jamess on December 07, 2022, 11:03:50 AMQuote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PMQuote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/q1xBTYZx2VnLi6Dx6) for this strange little bike path in Secaucus.
Any idea of how it came about? That two way bike path appears to be high quality, but is just 2 blocks long
High quality except for the 45 degree abrupt turn to dodge a bus stand. I'm curious how many head-on cycling collisions have occurred due to that.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on December 07, 2022, 10:54:12 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on December 07, 2022, 10:54:12 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on December 07, 2022, 11:30:16 AMQuote from: jamess on December 07, 2022, 11:03:50 AMQuote from: NoGoodNamesAvailable on November 27, 2022, 09:01:26 PMQuote from: jamess on November 04, 2022, 01:57:04 PM
I dont think theres any in NJ, even with the new two-way bike paths.
Here's one (https://goo.gl/maps/q1xBTYZx2VnLi6Dx6) for this strange little bike path in Secaucus.
Any idea of how it came about? That two way bike path appears to be high quality, but is just 2 blocks long
High quality except for the 45 degree abrupt turn to dodge a bus stand. I'm curious how many head-on cycling collisions have occurred due to that.
Doesn't look like a popular place for biking, but it's good that they're building out a network. They definitely should fix that geometry if it gets busier.
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: US71 on December 08, 2022, 02:52:39 PM
Post by: US71 on December 08, 2022, 02:52:39 PM
I thought for sure I had a photo.... there's a bike signal in Bentonville, AR. It's along 8th St near Wally World HQ
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: JCinSummerfield on January 13, 2023, 01:21:15 PM
Post by: JCinSummerfield on January 13, 2023, 01:21:15 PM
They have them in downtown Toledo, OH
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: plain on January 13, 2023, 07:13:54 PM
Post by: plain on January 13, 2023, 07:13:54 PM
Thanks to a map being posted in the general Traffic Signal thread, I was able to check out some signals I didn't know about.
At first I thought this bike signal in Charlotte, NC was a "FYBS" (Flashing Yellow Bike Signal lmaoooo) but looking closer it appears that the bottom aspect is actually a green arrow. I guess it's to let bicyclist know it's safe to make the left. There's another signal for the same movement on the opposite corner.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u8w975UrLDgXJfjd6
However, there does appear to be an actual "FYBS" in Alexandria, VA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fUEac2n8Bc9eUZoi9
At first I thought this bike signal in Charlotte, NC was a "FYBS" (Flashing Yellow Bike Signal lmaoooo) but looking closer it appears that the bottom aspect is actually a green arrow. I guess it's to let bicyclist know it's safe to make the left. There's another signal for the same movement on the opposite corner.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u8w975UrLDgXJfjd6
However, there does appear to be an actual "FYBS" in Alexandria, VA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fUEac2n8Bc9eUZoi9
Title: Re: Bike signals
Post by: Amtrakprod on January 13, 2023, 09:13:58 PM
Post by: Amtrakprod on January 13, 2023, 09:13:58 PM
Quote from: plain on January 13, 2023, 07:13:54 PM
Thanks to a map being posted in the general Traffic Signal thread, I was able to check out some signals I didn't know about.
At first I thought this bike signal in Charlotte, NC was a "FYBS" (Flashing Yellow Bike Signal lmaoooo) but looking closer it appears that the bottom aspect is actually a green arrow. I guess it's to let bicyclist know it's safe to make the left. There's another signal for the same movement on the opposite corner.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/u8w975UrLDgXJfjd6
However, there does appear to be an actual "FYBS" in Alexandria, VA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/fUEac2n8Bc9eUZoi9
There are actually full FY bike signals in Minnesota. St Paul has some interesting ones: https://youtu.be/LxKFhhaMC0s