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Flint1979

Quote from: JREwing78 on December 06, 2022, 08:18:08 PM
Quote from: bessertc on December 06, 2022, 03:43:03 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else here has heard of this yet, but I just discovered the Midland and Saginaw Co. Road Commissions have been working together for well over a year to prepare the 14-ish miles of Meridian Rd from M-20 west of Midland to M-46 west of Merrill to be transferred (back) to state control as a southerly (re-)extension of M-30, 61 years after it was originally cancelled as a trunkline. The info I was able to gather is that this transfer is supposed to take place "in 2023" but things seem to be ramping up. I haven't seen any other information about this anywhere else, so it's been kept pretty close to the vest, for some reason.

It appears Saginaw County has been trying to offer it back to MDOT as early as April 24, 2018: https://www.scrc-mi.org/wp-content/uploads/BM2018.pdf

AADT on the stretch vary from about 4,000 just north of M-46 to nearly 7,000 at M-20. (https://mdot.public.ms2soft.com/tcds/tsearch.asp?loc=Mdot&mod=TCDS) So, it's certainly a well-used roadway.

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 01:12:50 PM
Wouldn't the southern 4 miles include the Gratiot County Road Commission as well or is that just going to be Saginaw County? I don't see how it could be since half the roadway is in Gratiot County. Also this would be the second re-extension of M-30 including the re-extension from US-10 to M-20 in 2009 which included a new bridge over the Tittabawassee River.

It appears that the section bordering Saginaw County was under their jurisdiction, which is not uncommon. For example, Waverly Rd south of Columbia Rd is under Eaton County jurisdiction, and north of Columbia is under Ingham County jurisdiction (at least the sections that aren't in the City of Lansing).
Waverly shifts at Columbia, Meridian doesn't shift anywhere along this stretch and is half in Midland County, half in Saginaw County and half in Gratiot County, half in Saginaw County. Meridian is a well traveled north-south route in this area.


bessertc

Quote from: JREwing78 on December 06, 2022, 08:18:08 PM
Quote from: bessertc on December 06, 2022, 03:43:03 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else here has heard of this yet, but I just discovered the Midland and Saginaw Co. Road Commissions have been working together for well over a year to prepare the 14-ish miles of Meridian Rd from M-20 west of Midland to M-46 west of Merrill to be transferred (back) to state control as a southerly (re-)extension of M-30, 61 years after it was originally cancelled as a trunkline. The info I was able to gather is that this transfer is supposed to take place "in 2023" but things seem to be ramping up. I haven't seen any other information about this anywhere else, so it's been kept pretty close to the vest, for some reason.

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 06, 2022, 01:12:50 PM
Wouldn't the southern 4 miles include the Gratiot County Road Commission as well or is that just going to be Saginaw County? I don't see how it could be since half the roadway is in Gratiot County. Also this would be the second re-extension of M-30 including the re-extension from US-10 to M-20 in 2009 which included a new bridge over the Tittabawassee River.

It appears that the section bordering Saginaw County was under their jurisdiction, which is not uncommon. For example, Waverly Rd south of Columbia Rd is under Eaton County jurisdiction, and north of Columbia is under Ingham County jurisdiction (at least the sections that aren't in the City of Lansing).

Correct. As I'm the one who created and maintains the current iteration of the Kalamazoo County Act 51 Certification Mapbook ( https://mdotjboss.state.mi.us/SpecProv/getDocumentById.htm?docGuid=dbdc63fb-6af6-4572-82a9-af36ea192c64&fileName=%22Kalamazoo%20Co_2022.pdf%22 ), I can tell you that county line roads are always "owned" by one of the two counties. Usually, on a given county line, the two counties will divvy up the mileage of the county line road in a way that makes sense, giving each county about 50% of the mileage. When it comes to municipal boundary line roads in Michigan, either they are County Primary/Local roads or City Major/Minor streets–never shared. Now, if it's on the boundary between two incorporated cities, I've seen a street with mileage shared 50/50 between each city, but it's kind of rare.

But back to this particular case, the portion of Meridian Rd from the Midland Co line south to M-46 that is being re-constituted as M-30 is under Saginaw County jurisdiction. Other parts of the Saginaw/Gratiot Co line road would likely be under Gratiot Co jurisdiction.
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bessertc

Quote from: JREwing78 on December 06, 2022, 08:57:59 PM
Quote from: bessertc on December 06, 2022, 03:43:03 AM... if you haven't stopped by lately, you may want to peruse the What's New? page: http://www.michiganhighways.org/whats_new.html . There's a bunch of new info on the US-31 Freeway completion in Berrien County, a literal crap-ton of new route maps have been added, a bunch of updates, and several new route listings have been migrated to the new format. As always, feedback is always welcomed and encouraged!

I'm assuming the Rest Area marker on EBD I-94 just east of the I-196/US-31 interchange is an artifact. It's been at least 10 years since that rest area's been open.

Indeed. Good catch. I meant to either make a note on the map or possibly just remove it for now. MDOT has stated they are committed to re-opening that rest area at some point in the future, pending the availability of funding and possibly being able to connect to municipal water/sewer, which is the biggest issue with that rest area (it needed costly new water treatment facilities). I'm hopeful it gets reopened someday, even though I don't travel that segment of I-94 very often (I head north on I-196) because I'm a firm believer in the utility and benefits of the rest areas on our highways.
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bessertc

Quote from: bessertc on December 06, 2022, 03:43:03 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else here has heard of this yet, but I just discovered the Midland and Saginaw Co. Road Commissions have been working together for well over a year to prepare the 14-ish miles of Meridian Rd from M-20 west of Midland to M-46 west of Merrill to be transferred (back) to state control as a southerly (re-)extension of M-30, 61 years after it was originally cancelled as a trunkline. The info I was able to gather is that this transfer is supposed to take place "in 2023" but things seem to be ramping up. I haven't seen any other information about this anywhere else, so it's been kept pretty close to the vest, for some reason.

I've updated the M-30 route listing on the Michigan Highways website: http://www.michiganhighways.org/listings/M-030.html

Speaking of which, if you haven't stopped by lately, you may want to peruse the What's New? page: http://www.michiganhighways.org/whats_new.html . There's a bunch of new info on the US-31 Freeway completion in Berrien County, a literal crap-ton of new route maps have been added, a bunch of updates, and several new route listings have been migrated to the new format. As always, feedback is always welcomed and encouraged!

UPDATE! Okay, this is odd, but the MDOT Right-of-Way maps indicate the portion of Meridian Rd south of M-20 in Midland County only was "reacquired" by MDOT on February 10, 2022 with MOU 2022-0519. This same notation is NOT on the two M-30 ROW sheets in Saginaw County, which have not been updated since 2001. But based on MCRC board meeting minutes, it's clear they don't consider Meridian Rd as being transferred yet, so I have to believe this "reacquired" means this was the date MCRC signed the MOU with MDOT to transfer the road "at such time it is brought to standards agreed to by both parties blah, blah, blah...". Since MDOT hasn't made mention of M-30 south of M-20–they sure didn't put it on the 2022 official map!–I have to assume my theory is correct and that the official transfer has yet to take place. And, if that is, indeed, correct, I'm a bit surprised MDOT engineers would put such a "reacquired" date on the ROW maps like that. Weird...
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roadman65

https://goo.gl/maps/Ki59mWqcxouF9axk8
https://goo.gl/maps/2DjzvLwnjSnBddA46

APL signage at I-196 on I-94 EB. What I like is "Grand Rapids"  is spelled out. No Gd as before.
https://goo.gl/maps/XYCuX69HuZLKHu1u9
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bessertc

Quote from: roadman65 on December 12, 2022, 03:04:08 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/Ki59mWqcxouF9axk8
https://goo.gl/maps/2DjzvLwnjSnBddA46

APL signage at I-196 on I-94 EB. What I like is "Grand Rapids"  is spelled out. No Gd as before.
https://goo.gl/maps/XYCuX69HuZLKHu1u9

The conversion from "Gd" to "Grand" statewide has been underway for several years now. And, as a lifelong Michigander who very much appreciates "character" and idiosyncratic things, I never was a fan of "Gd." I'm nostalgic for the old underlined directionals (and "DOWNTOWN") on freeway signs and miss when Michigan was the last bastion of ONLY spanwire traffic signals. But, to me "G-D" was always shorthand for "Goddamn", so I've never been a huge fan of living in suburban "Goddamn Rapids" to be honest and I was born and lived the first five years of my life two houses off "Goddamn River Ave" in downtown Howell. "Gd" can't go away fast enough, IMHO.

Here are some photos I took earlier today on my way back from Chicagoland (the third–the APL sign–is actually from early November from the day before the US-31 freeway opened to traffic):

The first sign announcing the exit for I-196 & US-31 NORTH from I-94 EAST.


The OLD first sign announcing Exit 34. You can see it's probably a few years beyond needing to be removed. I assume it'll come down in the spring when the construction contractor takes care of the final punchlist items for the US-31 freeway construction project.


The "one mile" (or 1 1/4 mile sign since  they took advantage of the overpass) for Exit 34.


That new APL sign, taken back on November 8, 2022. From GSV, it looks like the first "Grand Rapids" signs (not featuring "Gd") showed up here at Exit 34 back around 2015.
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JoePCool14

Nice photos, thanks for sharing. The new signs look nice. I even like how the option arrow is the combined up and straight arrow design rather than the MUTCD-spec option arrow which doesn't look like it matches.

I could certainly nitpick though about how I've noticed contractors struggle to get these big signs in place where there are actually two separate panels split vertically down the middle, and then you can see through the gap between them sometimes.

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Flint1979

Quote from: roadman65 on December 12, 2022, 03:04:08 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/Ki59mWqcxouF9axk8
https://goo.gl/maps/2DjzvLwnjSnBddA46

APL signage at I-196 on I-94 EB. What I like is "Grand Rapids"  is spelled out. No Gd as before.
https://goo.gl/maps/XYCuX69HuZLKHu1u9
They usually will spell the word Grand out when they have room on the sign to do so. One interchange that has fondled me over this is the interchange with I-69 and I-96 on the NW side of Lansing. One direction they have it spelled out as Grand Rapids and in the other direction it's spelled out Gd Rapids. It might be a hold over from when they replaced the signs there about 10-12 years ago when they didn't have the room on the sign to do so because of the Grand River exit being mentioned which is no longer mentioned.

Anyway here's where they spell it out: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7934649,-84.6512327,3a,15y,233.83h,89.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4_44slSOm2a4PXHCd73rBA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

And where they don't: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7734006,-84.6691256,3a,15y,346.28h,96.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s60elbQWDaUZEaON1tNl_ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This is the same spot as the second one but more dated: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.773663,-84.6692403,3a,75y,339.79h,100.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sprbeeaEviqBn3mNVfotskQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

bessertc

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 12, 2022, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 12, 2022, 03:04:08 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/Ki59mWqcxouF9axk8
https://goo.gl/maps/2DjzvLwnjSnBddA46

APL signage at I-196 on I-94 EB. What I like is "Grand Rapids"  is spelled out. No Gd as before.
https://goo.gl/maps/XYCuX69HuZLKHu1u9
They usually will spell the word Grand out when they have room on the sign to do so. One interchange that has fondled me over this is the interchange with I-69 and I-96 on the NW side of Lansing. One direction they have it spelled out as Grand Rapids and in the other direction it's spelled out Gd Rapids. It might be a hold over from when they replaced the signs there about 10-12 years ago when they didn't have the room on the sign to do so because of the Grand River exit being mentioned which is no longer mentioned.

Anyway here's where they spell it out: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7934649,-84.6512327,3a,15y,233.83h,89.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4_44slSOm2a4PXHCd73rBA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

And where they don't: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7734006,-84.6691256,3a,15y,346.28h,96.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s60elbQWDaUZEaON1tNl_ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This is the same spot as the second one but more dated: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.773663,-84.6692403,3a,75y,339.79h,100.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sprbeeaEviqBn3mNVfotskQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

Nah, it was pretty much an MDOT-wide "rule" to abbreviate "Grand" as "Gd" no matter what, even if there was copious space to do so. In the OLDEN days, you'd be hard-pressed to find "Grand" anywhere out there on Michigan's freeway system. You'll notice that on many of the newer sign installations where they've spelled out "Grand" in the past ten years or so, they've had to widen the physical sign panel or go to a two-line legend in some cases to get it to fit. As many MDOT contacts as I've had over the years, this is one I don't have any specific insider knowledge on–I can only speculate with an informed guess. I'd say the individual in charge of sign legends retired and some new guy or gal came in and asked "Why do we abbreviate 'Grand' as 'Gd'?" and when no one could give a real answer, he or she decided it was time to retire that old "rule." And good riddance!  :clap:
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bulldog1979

Quote from: bessertc on December 12, 2022, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 12, 2022, 12:56:29 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on December 12, 2022, 03:04:08 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/Ki59mWqcxouF9axk8
https://goo.gl/maps/2DjzvLwnjSnBddA46

APL signage at I-196 on I-94 EB. What I like is "Grand Rapids"  is spelled out. No Gd as before.
https://goo.gl/maps/XYCuX69HuZLKHu1u9
They usually will spell the word Grand out when they have room on the sign to do so. One interchange that has fondled me over this is the interchange with I-69 and I-96 on the NW side of Lansing. One direction they have it spelled out as Grand Rapids and in the other direction it's spelled out Gd Rapids. It might be a hold over from when they replaced the signs there about 10-12 years ago when they didn't have the room on the sign to do so because of the Grand River exit being mentioned which is no longer mentioned.

Anyway here's where they spell it out: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7934649,-84.6512327,3a,15y,233.83h,89.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4_44slSOm2a4PXHCd73rBA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

And where they don't: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7734006,-84.6691256,3a,15y,346.28h,96.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s60elbQWDaUZEaON1tNl_ww!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

This is the same spot as the second one but more dated: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.773663,-84.6692403,3a,75y,339.79h,100.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sprbeeaEviqBn3mNVfotskQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

Nah, it was pretty much an MDOT-wide "rule" to abbreviate "Grand" as "Gd" no matter what, even if there was copious space to do so. In the OLDEN days, you'd be hard-pressed to find "Grand" anywhere out there on Michigan's freeway system. You'll notice that on many of the newer sign installations where they've spelled out "Grand" in the past ten years or so, they've had to widen the physical sign panel or go to a two-line legend in some cases to get it to fit. As many MDOT contacts as I've had over the years, this is one I don't have any specific insider knowledge on–I can only speculate with an informed guess. I'd say the individual in charge of sign legends retired and some new guy or gal came in and asked "Why do we abbreviate 'Grand' as 'Gd'?" and when no one could give a real answer, he or she decided it was time to retire that old "rule." And good riddance!  :clap:

I'm glad to see the abbreviation being retired. I borrowed a copy of the 1948 Michigan MUTCD from the Library of Michigan several years ago, and it had example mileage signs bearing "GD RAPIDS", so it was a long-standing convention.

thenetwork

Are they starting to de-abbreviate the Mackinac Bridge
signs?

I recently saw a newer sign somewhere online where it said Bridge instead of Br.

Flint1979

Quote from: thenetwork on December 14, 2022, 09:50:09 AM
Are they starting to de-abbreviate the Mackinac Bridge
signs?

I recently saw a newer sign somewhere online where it said Bridge instead of Br.
I would have to say no because the sign I'm about to post in GSV (GSV went through in August so it's there) has Br on it. I think it depends on the sign, the one in this GSV would be off center if it spelled the word Bridge out.
https://www.google.com/maps/@43.4258639,-83.8906184,3a,25y,358.5h,102.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQzuMeIWwqhuZ9WXhFoPqjQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

On this sign here they used the space under Mackinac to put the word Bridge on it. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.612216,-84.7383427,3a,40.1y,13.8h,115.65t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJB2kz_S3-UQd1MmO0m4wwA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Flint1979

Both directions of the Mackinac Bridge have reopened following an earlier accident that shut the entire bridge down.

JREwing78

#1088
Delay in Block on YouTube posted a video today discussing the short-lived at-grade railroad crossing on I-94 just west of M-99 near Albion, as well as another rail line that crossed at-grade both I-94 and US-23 just west of their interchange in Ann Arbor. Also featured: the at-grade railroad crossing of US-127 just north of M-57 in operation.

Terry Shea

Quote from: JREwing78 on December 15, 2022, 08:35:38 PM
Delay in Block on YouTube posted a video today discussing the short-lived at-grade railroad crossing on I-94 just west of M-99 near Albion, as well as another rail line that crossed at-grade both I-94 and US-23 just west of their interchange in Ann Arbor. Also featured: the at-grade railroad crossing of US-127 just north of M-57 in operation.

There was another at grade RR crossing along US-131 in Wyoming, near the 54th St exit in the 1960's.  I believe it was removed prior to 1970.  There were traffic signals associated with it, but it was still considered a freeway or "expressway" as they were called back then.

Flint1979

You could probably say that many of these interchanges along US-127 are secondary but in Mount Pleasant they use Mackinac Bridge as a control city twice, at the M-20 interchange and at the US-10 interchange. Otherwise the exits between Mount Pleasant and Clare use Clare as the control city then north of Clare they use Grayling as the control city. I don't understand why they can't keep it consistent. The Mackinac Bridge isn't even on US-127 but it will take you to I-75 which the Mackinac Bridge is on so using Mackinac Bridge as a control city on US-127 is fine but going back to use Clare again and then using Grayling is just a mess IMO.

catch22

#1091
Quote from: JREwing78 on December 15, 2022, 08:35:38 PM
Delay in Block on YouTube posted a video today discussing the short-lived at-grade railroad crossing on I-94 just west of M-99 near Albion, as well as another rail line that crossed at-grade both I-94 and US-23 just west of their interchange in Ann Arbor. Also featured: the at-grade railroad crossing of US-127 just north of M-57 in operation.

Thanks for posting that. I've driven over that US-127 crossing at least 100 times in the last 30 years, and never saw a train cross there.

I'm old enough to remember the crossings at the I-94/US-23 interchange, but never had to stop for a train there either.

I can think of one more.  US-23 just south of Exit 13 (Ida/Petersburg).  Here's a Google Maps aerial where you can see by the tree lines where the old LS&MS (later NYC) line ran.  Not sure when this one was removed, but it was gone by the early 1970s.

https://goo.gl/maps/3qNgGqPCvnkHqRZT8

dpatrickallen

Quote from: bessertc on December 06, 2022, 03:43:03 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else here has heard of this yet, but I just discovered the Midland and Saginaw Co. Road Commissions have been working together for well over a year to prepare the 14-ish miles of Meridian Rd from M-20 west of Midland to M-46 west of Merrill to be transferred (back) to state control as a southerly (re-)extension of M-30, 61 years after it was originally cancelled as a trunkline. The info I was able to gather is that this transfer is supposed to take place "in 2023" but things seem to be ramping up. I haven't seen any other information about this anywhere else, so it's been kept pretty close to the vest, for some reason.

I've updated the M-30 route listing on the Michigan Highways website: http://www.michiganhighways.org/listings/M-030.html

Speaking of which, if you haven't stopped by lately, you may want to peruse the What's New? page: http://www.michiganhighways.org/whats_new.html . There's a bunch of new info on the US-31 Freeway completion in Berrien County, a literal crap-ton of new route maps have been added, a bunch of updates, and several new route listings have been migrated to the new format. As always, feedback is always welcomed and encouraged!

Hi all.  I can confirm that jurisdiction for Meridian Rd from M-46 to Midland-Gratiot County Line Rd was transferred from the Saginaw County Road Commission to MDOT effective September 27, 2022, and that jurisdiction for Meridian Rd from Midland-Gratiot County Line Rd to M-20 was transferred from the Midland County Road Commission to MDOT effective October 12, 2022.  This combined section of Meridian Rd will be signed as an extension of M-30 at some point.  -Patrick Allen (MDOT)

dpatrickallen


Quote from: Flint1979 on October 27, 2022, 03:49:48 PM
Remember how long the US-10 shields remained up in Detroit for the Lodge Freeway? I think it was only about 15 or so years ago since the last one I can remember was removed and replaced with a M-10 shield. I saw a M-14 sign on Plymouth Road once too and I think that is actually still an unsigned state highway.

I can confirm that Plymouth Rd from Ann Arbor Rd to the Detroit city limit in Livonia and Redford Township is currently unsigned state trunkline (Old M-14).  You can see that it is unsigned trunkline on the MDOT Truck Operators Map.  I can also confirm that there were some M-14 route shields still on the ground until maybe ten years ago.  However, I believe that they are all gone now.  -Patrick Allen (MDOT)

JREwing78

Quote from: dpatrickallen on December 16, 2022, 05:27:43 PM
Quote from: bessertc on December 06, 2022, 03:43:03 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else here has heard of this yet, but I just discovered the Midland and Saginaw Co. Road Commissions have been working together for well over a year to prepare the 14-ish miles of Meridian Rd from M-20 west of Midland to M-46 west of Merrill to be transferred (back) to state control as a southerly (re-)extension of M-30, 61 years after it was originally cancelled as a trunkline. The info I was able to gather is that this transfer is supposed to take place "in 2023" but things seem to be ramping up.

Hi all.  I can confirm that jurisdiction for Meridian Rd from M-46 to Midland-Gratiot County Line Rd was transferred from the Saginaw County Road Commission to MDOT effective September 27, 2022, and that jurisdiction for Meridian Rd from Midland-Gratiot County Line Rd to M-20 was transferred from the Midland County Road Commission to MDOT effective October 12, 2022.  This combined section of Meridian Rd will be signed as an extension of M-30 at some point.  -Patrick Allen (MDOT)

Any information on when MDOT plans to rehabilitate the asphalt roadway and update signage? For obvious reasons, this hasn't shown up on any 5 year plans posted thus far. I also presume MDOT won't bother to post the M-30 designation until pending roadwork has been completed.

dpatrickallen

Quote from: JREwing78 on December 16, 2022, 09:12:12 PM
Quote from: dpatrickallen on December 16, 2022, 05:27:43 PM
Quote from: bessertc on December 06, 2022, 03:43:03 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else here has heard of this yet, but I just discovered the Midland and Saginaw Co. Road Commissions have been working together for well over a year to prepare the 14-ish miles of Meridian Rd from M-20 west of Midland to M-46 west of Merrill to be transferred (back) to state control as a southerly (re-)extension of M-30, 61 years after it was originally cancelled as a trunkline. The info I was able to gather is that this transfer is supposed to take place "in 2023" but things seem to be ramping up.

Hi all.  I can confirm that jurisdiction for Meridian Rd from M-46 to Midland-Gratiot County Line Rd was transferred from the Saginaw County Road Commission to MDOT effective September 27, 2022, and that jurisdiction for Meridian Rd from Midland-Gratiot County Line Rd to M-20 was transferred from the Midland County Road Commission to MDOT effective October 12, 2022.  This combined section of Meridian Rd will be signed as an extension of M-30 at some point.  -Patrick Allen (MDOT)

Any information on when MDOT plans to rehabilitate the asphalt roadway and update signage? For obvious reasons, this hasn't shown up on any 5 year plans posted thus far. I also presume MDOT won't bother to post the M-30 designation until pending roadwork has been completed.

The MDOT Bay Region's plans and the timing are outside my direct knowledge, but it is my understanding that there are some improvements coming, including the complete replacement of two bridges in the former Midland County section.  Last I knew, the Bay Region was also still discussing the timing of the extension of the M-30 signing.

Terry Shea

Quote from: catch22 on December 16, 2022, 10:45:32 AM
Quote from: JREwing78 on December 15, 2022, 08:35:38 PM
Delay in Block on YouTube posted a video today discussing the short-lived at-grade railroad crossing on I-94 just west of M-99 near Albion, as well as another rail line that crossed at-grade both I-94 and US-23 just west of their interchange in Ann Arbor. Also featured: the at-grade railroad crossing of US-127 just north of M-57 in operation.

Thanks for posting that. I've driven over that US-127 crossing at least 100 times in the last 30 years, and never saw a train cross there.

I'm old enough to remember the crossings at the I-94/US-23 interchange, but never had to stop for a train there either.

I can think of one more.  US-23 just south of Exit 13 (Ida/Petersburg).  Here's a Google Maps aerial where you can see by the tree lines where the old LS&MS (later NYC) line ran.  Not sure when this one was removed, but it was gone by the early 1970s.

https://goo.gl/maps/3qNgGqPCvnkHqRZT8

I drive the US-127 crossing at least 100 times a year, and I've never had to stop for a train crossing.  I had to stop once when there was a signal malfunction but no train, and another time at night I saw train lights well down the track when I crossed.

JREwing78

Quote from: Terry Shea on December 18, 2022, 02:39:58 PM
I drive the US-127 crossing at least 100 times a year, and I've never had to stop for a train crossing.  I had to stop once when there was a signal malfunction but no train, and another time at night I saw train lights well down the track when I crossed.

Yeah, I certainly never had to stop for that crossing. IIRC it's only used about once a week.

That crossing was kind of a big deal when the M-57 interchange was put in, because the whole point of the interchange was that it was going to remove the only remaining stoplight between Jackson and I-75 near Grayling. Apparently the railroad was going to abandon the line, and then it didn't. Does a rail line used once a week justify overpasses? Apparently not - since it's survived 20+ additional years without massive public outcry. It probably helps that, as railroad crossings go, it's pretty hard to miss.

JREwing78

In other US-127 news, the folks at MLive posted a video from a couple weeks ago about the diverging diamond in operation @ I-94 in Jackson.

Compared to the ones I've used in Wisconsin, this one feels a bit short and tight to navigate. Clearly, since West Ave south of the interchange is posted for only 30 mph, high-speed movements aren't appropriate here. But I imagine there's going to be a couple folks surprised by the new interchange that will end up in a ditch or driving the wrong way through it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4hZULyJsXo

Flint1979

Same here on the US-127 railroad crossing, never seen a train there before.



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